Which was the more embarrassing "performance", Liston vs Clay or Duran vs Leonard II?

[ChrisPontius]

Trying to make up my mind and i'm looking for some arguments for either side.:huh

[Unforgiven]

I cannot separate the two.
Both disgraceful quit jobs.
Very damaging to the sport.

[PowerPuncher]

Liston might actually have torn his rotator cuff, try punching when you've done that, I've had it and its seriously painful to punch and you end up punching with about 10% of the power you normally could. He still could have fought with 1 arm and made the best of it ofcourse but I think Ali had hurt him and he knew he was going to get stopped

[Unforgiven]

Liston might actually have torn his rotator cuff, try punching when you've done that, I've had it and its seriously painful to punch and you end up punching with about 10% of the power you normally could. He still could have fought with 1 arm and made the best of it ofcourse but I think Ali had hurt him and he knew he was going to get stopped

True, if the fight was on the level, he was probably hurt and handicapped by the shoulder injury.
Still, he could have gone hell for leather for the win and if he failed he would have gone out on his shield. As it was, he made the sport look bad.

[Stonehands89]

Duran's. Easily. He fought like a narcoleptic and then turned his back on something that didn't even deserve to be called a battle. He was never hurt, marked up, or weary. At least Liston earned a hemotoma first.

[Bill Butcher]

Liston at least seen out the rd, Duran threw his hands up & said no mas.... Duran`s was probably the worst in the history of boxing were as Liston`s may very well have been valid - I have my doubts but it still doesnt top Duran`s.

[ChrisPontius]

True. Liston was marked up pretty badly:

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[RogerB]

Oliver McCall v Lennox Lewis ...WTF!!!

[Bokaj]

Some good points. Liston was bruised, tiring rapidly and perhaps injured whereas Duran seemed to be in fine shape physically. In Liston-Clay you could see the KO around the corner, very likely as Clay had predicted, while Duran seemed nowhere near suffering a KO/TKO.

Duran is clearly the worse quit job of the two IMO.

[MrMarvel]

Trying to make up my mind and i'm looking for some arguments for either side.:huh

Which Liston-Clay? In the first, Clay was all over Liston. He overwhelmed him. Liston was injured at some point and couldn't continue. That happens sometimes. Same is true with Duran-Leonard. Duran was ill. The second Clay Liston fight was weird. I don't know what to think about that one. So if you mean that one, then that is clearly the more embarrassing.

[PetethePrince]

Liston injured his shoulders. There's documentation of the injury. The fight was so suspicious that the FBI investigated and you can see the X-Rays off his shoulder somewhere. He had a legit injury.

[ChrisPontius]

Which Liston-Clay? In the first, Clay was all over Liston. He overwhelmed him. Liston was injured at some point and couldn't continue. That happens sometimes. Same is true with Duran-Leonard. Duran was ill. The second Clay Liston fight was weird. I don't know what to think about that one. So if you mean that one, then that is clearly the more embarrassing.

The first one.

By the way, what do you mean "Clay was all over Liston" ?? Clay was running for the first three, no, five rounds. For good reason, too.

[ThinBlack]

Duran vs Leonard II.

[apollack]

Duran's looked worse by doing it in the middle of the round, but in reality they both did the exact same thing - quit the fight, when really, they could have continued. Liston was still throwing hard punches with both hands in the round before he quit on his stool, and Duran did not fight like someone with a bad stomach ache. They decided to check out of fights that they did not think they could win, plain and simple.

[TAC602]

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[Kid Bacon]

Duran... at least, Liston could say that he quit because he was overwhelmed... Duran looks more like a "WTF, NO MAS" childish attitude

[MAG1965]

Ray was starting to land bodypunches and head punches the round Duran quit. That was why Duran quit. Duran probably knew he was going to be stopped and there was nothing he could do about it.

[MadcapMaxie]

Liston had legit reasons to quit, Duran didnt

[Mendoza]

Liston might actually have torn his rotator cuff, try punching when you've done that, I've had it and its seriously painful to punch and you end up punching with about 10% of the power you normally could. He still could have fought with 1 arm and made the best of it ofcourse but I think Ali had hurt him and he knew he was going to get stopped

What about the second fight with Ali? Did Liston have to have surgery after the first fight?

[Foreman Hook]

Duran VS Leonard II

Robby Duran had NO injury, he "needed a poo". :rofl:rofl

Must of been a bloody big poo, to make him do such a DISGRACEFUL quitjawb in a superfight. :hey

Foreman HooooooooooooooooooooK!:smoke

[Stevie G]

Duran VS Leonard II

Robby Duran had NO injury, he "needed a poo". :rofl:rofl

Must of been a bloody big poo, to make him do such a DISGRACEFUL quitjawb in a superfight. :hey

Foreman HooooooooooooooooooooK!:smoke
:lol::lol:

[Kalasinn]

Only Sugar Ray truly knows the answer to this...

Was Roberto "farting in the ring?" with regular frequency and potency? :lol:

If yes, then Duran did the honourable thing, & sacrificed his reputation for a fellow boxer's nostrils. :yep

[boxersk]

Some good points. Liston was bruised, tiring rapidly and perhaps injured whereas Duran seemed to be in fine shape physically. In Liston-Clay you could see the KO around the corner, very likely as Clay had predicted, while Duran seemed nowhere near suffering a KO/TKO.

Duran is clearly the worse quit job of the two IMO.


Agree completely, Duran-Leonard 2

[TAC602]

Duran VS Leonard II

Robby Duran had NO injury, he "needed a poo". :rofl:rofl

Must of been a bloody big poo, to make him do such a DISGRACEFUL quitjawb in a superfight. :hey

Foreman HooooooooooooooooooooK!:smoke

Even as a Duran semi-lunatic, this shit makes me beside myself every time I read it.