Tommy Hearns vs Jerry Quarry

[Primadonna Kool]

The Light Heavyweight Version of Tommy Hearns vs Jerry Quarry...???

[Bummy Davis]

Quarry KO Hearns quick

[Jorodz]

man, what's with all the quarry threads?? especially against smaller cats!

quarry walks over hearns to get a hotdog from a vendor in the crowd in the first round

[KOTF]

Next thread is Quarry-Hagler, or Quarry-Duran, or Quarry-Benitez, or Quarry-McCallum.

[Jorodz]

Next thread is Quarry-Hagler, or Quarry-Duran, or Quarry-Benitez, or Quarry-McCallum.

i can handle those but when it's quarry-ricardo lopez, he's going down:twisted:

[PowerPuncher]

Wasnt there talk of Tyson-Hearns

[Jorodz]

Wasnt there talk of Tyson-Hearns

oh man that woulda been scary...

[red cobra]

Some current thread starters are sure taking Jerry Quarry kinda cheap.

[Lobotomy]

If Tommy resorts to the defensive stick and move of his amateur days, he might survive a few rounds but he lacked the endurance to sustain this for 15 rounds against a serious aggressor who could take his best shot in stride. Jerry's body work would crush him in short order. Hearns would need a substantial speed advantage to play with the big boys, and his edge over Quarry in this respect was not that great.

[Hookie]

Hearns has a chance in this fight.

In this match-up Hearns stands a little taller and has a 6" reach advantage. Hearns carried 190Lbs. well. Quarry's best weight was 195-200Lbs.

Hearns was much faster than Quarry and the far superior boxer.

Quarry had fair power but was not a huge puncher, 32 of his 53 wins were by KO. Hearns had great power, even at CW... 48 of his 61 wins were by KO.

So, what would happen if they met in the ring... prime Quarry vs. almost prime Hearns?

Quarry wouldn't have much problem dealing with a single shot from Hearns but he would have problems dealing with combinations from Hearns. Hearns was fast and accurate. Hearns also had a great jab. Hearns could cut Quarry.

Hearns could be hurt by Quarry but Quarry wouldn't be able to land more than one shot at a time very often... not cleanly anyway. We all know Hearns had a questionable chin but could Quarry crack it enough times cleanly to make it a factor?

I think Hearns wins by decision in a great fight.

[djanders]

I'm going with Quarry in this. Tommy was great at his weight, but in over his head with Quarry...in my opinion.

[Seamus]

Hearns has a chance in this fight.

In this match-up Hearns stands a little taller and has a 6" reach advantage. Hearns carried 190Lbs. well. Quarry's best weight was 195-200Lbs.

Hearns was much faster than Quarry and the far superior boxer.

Quarry had fair power but was not a huge puncher, 32 of his 53 wins were by KO. Hearns had great power, even at CW... 48 of his 61 wins were by KO.

So, what would happen if they met in the ring... prime Quarry vs. almost prime Hearns?

Quarry wouldn't have much problem dealing with a single shot from Hearns but he would have problems dealing with combinations from Hearns. Hearns was fast and accurate. Hearns also had a great jab. Hearns could cut Quarry.

Hearns could be hurt by Quarry but Quarry wouldn't be able to land more than one shot at a time very often... not cleanly anyway. We all know Hearns had a questionable chin but could Quarry crack it enough times cleanly to make it a factor?

I think Hearns wins by decision in a great fight.

There it is, folks, exactly what this thread was looking for... a raving lunatic.

[mcvey]

Hearns has a chance in this fight.

In this match-up Hearns stands a little taller and has a 6" reach advantage. Hearns carried 190Lbs. well. Quarry's best weight was 195-200Lbs.

Hearns was much faster than Quarry and the far superior boxer.

Quarry had fair power but was not a huge puncher, 32 of his 53 wins were by KO. Hearns had great power, even at CW... 48 of his 61 wins were by KO.

So, what would happen if they met in the ring... prime Quarry vs. almost prime Hearns?

Quarry wouldn't have much problem dealing with a single shot from Hearns but he would have problems dealing with combinations from Hearns. Hearns was fast and accurate. Hearns also had a great jab. Hearns could cut Quarry.

Hearns could be hurt by Quarry but Quarry wouldn't be able to land more than one shot at a time very often... not cleanly anyway. We all know Hearns had a questionable chin but could Quarry crack it enough times cleanly to make it a factor?

I think Hearns wins by decision in a great fight.

Hearns has a fair chance? Of what coming out alive?
This would be over very early 2/3rds at best.

[SteveO]

Hearns might keep him off for a bit. Far superior boxer, for sure.

However, Quarry, despite his cuts, was durable. Lasted long enough with the likes of Ali and Frazier that I think he would walk Hearns down with his punches. A couple of clean shots and Hearns is done.

[Stevie G]

Sorry,but I find the idea of this match up ridiculoulsy one sided. As soon as Quarry tags Hearns properly,the Hitman goes. Probably by round 5.

[anarci]

Quarry easy early ko!

[anarci]

Hearns has a chance in this fight.

In this match-up Hearns stands a little taller and has a 6" reach advantage. Hearns carried 190Lbs. well. Quarry's best weight was 195-200Lbs.

Hearns was much faster than Quarry and the far superior boxer.

Quarry had fair power but was not a huge puncher, 32 of his 53 wins were by KO. Hearns had great power, even at CW... 48 of his 61 wins were by KO.

So, what would happen if they met in the ring... prime Quarry vs. almost prime Hearns?

Quarry wouldn't have much problem dealing with a single shot from Hearns but he would have problems dealing with combinations from Hearns. Hearns was fast and accurate. Hearns also had a great jab. Hearns could cut Quarry.

Hearns could be hurt by Quarry but Quarry wouldn't be able to land more than one shot at a time very often... not cleanly anyway. We all know Hearns had a questionable chin but could Quarry crack it enough times cleanly to make it a factor?

I think Hearns wins by decision in a great fight.

Im a big Hearns fan.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,But you have a funny way at twistin the facts:lol:

[Son of Gaul]

Some current thread starters are sure taking Jerry Quarry kinda cheap.

Tell me about it.:-(

[Son of Gaul]

Jerry Quarry would have dominated almost any other HW era and simply had the misfortune of peaking in the late 60's early 70's. We all know who was in the division at this time...

[Flea Man]

Quarry within a round or two.

[Flea Man]

Jerry Quarry would have dominated almost any other HW era and simply had the misfortune of peaking in the late 60's early 70's. We all know who was in the division at this time...

Joe Louis woulda beat him:deal

[Son of Gaul]

Joe Louis woulda beat him:deal
Agreed, but you get my point.

[TheGreatA]

Hearns might have a chance against Mike Quarry.

[Son of Gaul]

Hearns might have a chance against Mike Quarry.
lol

[Son of Gaul]

Hearns has a chance in this fight.

In this match-up Hearns stands a little taller and has a 6" reach advantage. Hearns carried 190Lbs. well. Quarry's best weight was 195-200Lbs.

Hearns was much faster than Quarry and the far superior boxer.

Quarry had fair power but was not a huge puncher, 32 of his 53 wins were by KO. Hearns had great power, even at CW... 48 of his 61 wins were by KO.

So, what would happen if they met in the ring... prime Quarry vs. almost prime Hearns?

Quarry wouldn't have much problem dealing with a single shot from Hearns but he would have problems dealing with combinations from Hearns. Hearns was fast and accurate. Hearns also had a great jab. Hearns could cut Quarry.

Hearns could be hurt by Quarry but Quarry wouldn't be able to land more than one shot at a time very often... not cleanly anyway. We all know Hearns had a questionable chin but could Quarry crack it enough times cleanly to make it a factor?

I think Hearns wins by decision in a great fight.

I assume that you've already read my first post on this thread. Now to your other points...

I agree that Hearns was faster but I'm not sure that he would be THAT much faster at CW(which is where this fight would have to take place) due to Hearns limited experience(compared to Quarry) fighting in that weight range.

You also say that Hearns was the far superior boxer but , while I believe Tommy Hearns was an ATG boxer, Quarry wasn't some push over. He fought some tough fights against some of the better boxers the division has ever seen(Ellis, Machen, Ali) where you can't say the same for Hearns competition at CW.

Next, you say that Quarry had fair power but not great power. Yes, he had fair power...against Heavyweights!!!!
Hearns is an ATG slugger at 147 and 154... still a one punch knockout artist at 160, but his KO percentage goes down significantly as he moves up in weight. He's still a hell of a puncher at CW but not nearly enough of a puncher to bother someone as battle hardened and skillful as Quarry in his prime.

With that said, I believe Quarry would walk through Hearns punches like a fisherman through fog and grind Hearns down.

Bottom line: Quarry can handle Hearns CW wannabe power but Hearns WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO HANDLE QUARRYS LEGIT HW POWER.:bbb

QUARRY HANDS DOWN.

[PowerPuncher]

Hearns has no experience against good HWs in pro bouts BUT Dempsey/Marciano had no experience against good 230lb+ fighters, that doesnt stop some of the people from picking him.

Quarry fought 2 ex-MWs who force fed themselves to HW and arguably lost all his fights with them, Hearns starved himself to make MW, if he force fed himself like Patterson/Ellis he'd be a solid 180lbs-190lbs just like them.

Dont get me wrong I wouldnt be suprised if quarry walks through Hearns as Tommy is unproven, but its funny those that pick Rock/Dempsey over A Class 230lb men dont give an A Class 175lber a shot to beat a B Class 200lber who wasnt a big banger.

If Hearns ate his way upto 190ls like Patterson/Quarry/Jones Jr, I give him a shot

[Son of Gaul]

Hearns has no experience against good HWs in pro bouts BUT Dempsey/Marciano had no experience against good 230lb+ fighters, that doesnt stop some of the people from picking him.

Quarry fought 2 ex-MWs who force fed themselves to HW and arguably lost all his fights with them, Hearns starved himself to make MW, if he force fed himself like Patterson/Ellis he'd be a solid 180lbs-190lbs just like them.

Dont get me wrong I wouldnt be suprised if quarry walks through Hearns as Tommy is unproven, but its funny those that pick Rock/Dempsey over A Class 230lb men dont give an A Class 175lber a shot to beat a B Class 200lber who wasnt a big banger.

If Hearns ate his way upto 190ls like Patterson/Quarry/Jones Jr, I give him a shot

Is Tommy Hearns an A-class LHW or CW? I don't think so... and that's my issue with the matchup. As I mentioned above, Hearns is an A+ class WW, JMW...an A class MW...but his quality wins above 160 just aren't there...Hearns' only chance is to cut Jerry but he would have to take a beating for 5-6 rounds to accomplish that. I really don't see Hearns having the power at CW to trouble someone like Quarry.:bart

[Son of Gaul]

Quarry easy early ko!
Agreed, check out post 25 above.

[Son of Gaul]

I'm going with Quarry in this. Tommy was great at his weight, but in over his head with Quarry...in my opinion.


Yeah, no question about that. Check out post 25 above for further analysis. Agree, disagree?

[Joe E]

Uness Hearns is able to cut Quarry early thus forcing a stoppage, Quarry via brutal KO.

[Son of Gaul]

Uness Hearns is able to cut Quarry early thus forcing a stoppage, Quarry via brutal KO.

Agreed...:yep

[PowerPuncher]

Is Tommy Hearns an A-class LHW or CW? I don't think so... and that's my issue with the matchup. As I mentioned above, Hearns is an A+ class WW, JMW...an A class MW...but his quality wins above 160 just aren't there...Hearns' only chance is to cut Jerry but he would have to take a beating for 5-6 rounds to accomplish that. I really don't see Hearns having the power at CW to trouble someone like Quarry.:bart

The Hearns who beat Andrias was an A class LHW and if he'd bulked up would be much more solid, his power would not be brutal at HW, but it would be respectable. He'd also have skill/speed advantages.

Again I'm not picking Hearns to win as hes unproven at the weight, if he was in a world without weight divisions and he was forced to fight big men, he'd eat his way into a solid 190lb fighter and compete with contenders with some success in my view

[Son of Gaul]

The Hearns who beat Andrias was an A class LHW and if he'd bulked up would be much more solid, his power would not be brutal at HW, but it would be respectable. He'd also have skill/speed advantages.

Again I'm not picking Hearns to win as hes unproven at the weight, if he was in a world without weight divisions and he was forced to fight big men, he'd eat his way into a solid 190lb fighter and compete with contenders with some success in my view

Point taken.:good

[Primadonna Kool]

Tommy Hearns knocks Jerry Quarry out..! Tommy Hearns would be dangerous for 5-7 rounds.

In these 5-7 rounds, he would be landing bombs against Jerry Quarry.

He would spark him out i think..!

[The Morlocks]

man, what's with all the quarry threads?? especially against smaller cats!

quarry walks over hearns to get a hotdog from a vendor in the crowd in the first round
lmao:cheers:cheers:cheers:cheers:cheers:cheers

[clark]

This has to be a joke. Jerry was used to fighting guys like Frazier, Shavers, Lyle, and Ali. Hearns wouldn't get through the first round.

[Primadonna Kool]

This has to be a joke. Jerry was used to fighting guys like Frazier, Shavers, Lyle, and Ali. Hearns wouldn't get through the first round.

Just because the are bigger, does not mean they are better boxers. James Toney has stated that the best boxer...he has ever faced his Mike Mccallum.

Tommy Hearns could spark him out..!!! it could go etheir way..! all i know is, Tommy Hearn's would be very dangerous for 5-7rounds.

[clark]

A punch coming from Hearns is nowhere near a punch coming from Shavers, Lyle, or Frazier.
I don't think Jerry would even blink if he got caught by Hearns.

[Primadonna Kool]

A punch coming from Hearns is nowhere near a punch coming from Shavers, Lyle, or Frazier.
I don't think Jerry would even blink if he got caught by Hearns.

Everyone who Tommy Hearns hit.......gets hurt.

I'm talking about, pumping up at Tommy Hearns after fighting Marvin Hagler. Have him training with top sprint/track and field athlete's and power lifting.

Pump him up to a solid and athletic 185pounds.

He would fuck Jerry Quarry up..!

By far the better boxer..!!!

[gentleman jim]

I can't believe some of these posts. Jerry Quarry beats the living shit out of Tommy Hearns plain and simple. If MW's and Welterweights could knock Tommy out what do you think a very good HW does to him? A HW who is battle tested and accustomed to taking punches from real HW's. Some of them ATG's! Let's face it, Tommy's whiskers were not world class and his skinny legs often seemed to betray him. Simply adding weight doesn't change that. In fact it appeared to make him top heavy and a little off balanced at times. Hearns was a force at WW and MW but lets not go overboard here. Quarry takes a few, slips a few , works his way inside and ends matters within 3 or 4 rounds.

[Stevie G]

This has to be a joke. Jerry was used to fighting guys like Frazier, Shavers, Lyle, and Ali. Hearns wouldn't get through the first round.
Charlotte Church v Cheryl Cole :lol:

[Stevie G]

Everyone who Tommy Hearns hit.......gets hurt.

I'm talking about, pumping up at Tommy Hearns after fighting Marvin Hagler. Have him training with top sprint/track and field athlete's and power lifting.

Pump him up to a solid and athletic 185pounds.

He would fuck Jerry Quarry up..!

By far the better boxer..!!!
The thing is,that if Hearns relied too much on powerlifting,it would just be solid muscle mass,and not FIGHTING weight. He'd be slowed up too much. Consequently even more susceptible to being caught by Quarry.

[Stevie G]

I can't believe some of these posts. Jerry Quarry beats the living shit out of Tommy Hearns plain and simple. If MW's and Welterweights could knock Tommy out what do you think a very good HW does to him? A HW who is battle tested and accustomed to taking punches from real HW's. Some of them ATG's! Let's face it, Tommy's whiskers were not world class and his skinny legs often seemed to betray him. Simply adding weight doesn't change that. In fact it appeared to make him top heavy and a little off balanced at times. Hearns was a force at WW and MW but lets not go overboard here. Quarry takes a few, slips a few , works his way inside and ends matters within 3 or 4 rounds.
Good post,Gentleman Jim.

[Stevie G]

I can't believe some of these posts. Jerry Quarry beats the living shit out of Tommy Hearns plain and simple. If MW's and Welterweights could knock Tommy out what do you think a very good HW does to him? A HW who is battle tested and accustomed to taking punches from real HW's. Some of them ATG's! Let's face it, Tommy's whiskers were not world class and his skinny legs often seemed to betray him. Simply adding weight doesn't change that. In fact it appeared to make him top heavy and a little off balanced at times. Hearns was a force at WW and MW but lets not go overboard here. Quarry takes a few, slips a few , works his way inside and ends matters within 3 or 4 rounds.
Welcome to ESB,by the way. Not seen you on here before. :good

[PowerPuncher]

The thing is,that if Hearns relied too much on powerlifting,it would just be solid muscle mass,and not FIGHTING weight. He'd be slowed up too much. Consequently even more susceptible to being caught by Quarry.

Powerlifting actually makes you more explosive, sprinters powerlift for speed

[Son of Gaul]

Tommy Hearns knocks Jerry Quarry out..! Tommy Hearns would be dangerous for 5-7 rounds.

In these 5-7 rounds, he would be landing bombs against Jerry Quarry.

He would spark him out i think..!

He would 'spark' him with what? CW wannabe power? If Shavers and Lyle couldn't do it, what makes you think a blown up LHW could do it?

[Son of Gaul]

Tommy Hearns knocks Jerry Quarry out..! Tommy Hearns would be dangerous for 5-7 rounds.

In these 5-7 rounds, he would be landing bombs against Jerry Quarry.

He would spark him out i think..!

Also remember that Frazier-Quarry 1 was stopped because of cuts. Jerry was beaten soundly...no question about that, but if Frazier couldn't knock him out, what chance do you give Hearns at CW?

[Primadonna Kool]

The thing is,that if Hearns relied too much on powerlifting,it would just be solid muscle mass,and not FIGHTING weight. He'd be slowed up too much. Consequently even more susceptible to being caught by Quarry.

Maurice Greene used to be 160pounds at 5"9, before he starting training with HSI and the legendary John Smith. Where he then beefed up to 175 -180pounds in his prime, when he was the fastest man in the world, and changed the game of sprinting forever.

Did the powerlifting slow Maurice Greene down..????

No..

Don't open your mouth, if you don't fully understand what is being said.

Its all abou power to weight ratio..

[Hookie]

I gotta get back in this... pretty decent thread!

Anyway, Quarry was a tough guy, a fan favorite, and he was a white HW... many people are going to get in an uproar when they feel a guy like this is being disrespected. I just hope no crosses get burned!

Back to the fight...

It's possible that he could get Hearns out of there early but it's also possible that Hearns could box circles around him.


I don't think it's fair to judge what Tommy would do based off of what he did at CW. Hearns has a big frame and would be able to carry about 190Lbs. even while very close to his prime. Next issue...

I keep reading about how "Quarry was able to handle this guys punches, so why wouldn't he handle Hearns?". I've also read about how "Hearns was hurt by this guy, so why wouldn't Quarry hurt him?". Are you all serious? There are plenty of reasons...

Sure, guys like Frazier, Shavers, Lyle, and others were bigger, stronger, and could hurt a guy worse than Hearns could but boxing is rarely about who is bigger, stronger, or even who has more power.

Some of you are ignoring the basic fundamentals of the game. Hearns was faster and more skilled than those guys. Also, guys like Leonard, Hagler, Duran, Benitez, and others were faster and more skilled than Quarry or the above mentioned fighters he faced.

Look at James Toney's fights vs. Reggie Johnson, Mike McCallum, and a few others at 160 and 168. He was hurt, knocked down, cut, and lucky to escape with a win vs. Johnson. Johnson wasn't even considered a big puncher. Why wasn't a 250Lb+ big puncher like Sam Peter able to do much vs. Toney? It's because Johnson is way faster and more skilled than Peter, not because he punches harder. Wake up people! I'm not saying Tommy would destroy him. I'm simply stating that he "could" win a decision... I'm kinda thinking a RJJ vs. Ruiz type of win.

[booradley]

I'm a big fan of both guys, and I actually think this fight would be similiar to Hearns/Barkley. Tommy would look fantastic right up to the point where Jerry hits him on the chin, and then, it's over.

[Bioyhh]

Maurice Greene used to be 160pounds at 5"9, before he starting training with HSI and the legendary John Smith. Where he then beefed up to 175 -180pounds in his prime, when he was the fastest man in the world, and changed the game of sprinting forever.

Did the powerlifting slow Maurice Greene down..????

No..

Don't open your mouth, if you don't fully understand what is being said.

Its all abou power to weight ratio..

Well, lifting and the PEDs.

[Stevie G]

Maurice Greene used to be 160pounds at 5"9, before he starting training with HSI and the legendary John Smith. Where he then beefed up to 175 -180pounds in his prime, when he was the fastest man in the world, and changed the game of sprinting forever.

Did the powerlifting slow Maurice Greene down..????

No..

Don't open your mouth, if you don't fully understand what is being said.

Its all abou power to weight ratio..
Other sports may well benefit from powerlifting techniques. I'm still not sure whether it does boxing training any good. Frank Bruno had a physique like a top body builder. This is partly what made him so stiff at times.

[Hookie]

Just because a guy has a few exciting fights vs some top guys, it doesn't mean he is a top guy. I don't see Quarry dominating any era to be honest with you.

[Son of Gaul]

Just because a guy has a few exciting fights vs some top guys, it doesn't mean he is a top guy. I don't see Quarry dominating any era to be honest with you.

Ok, he obviously wouldn't beat Joe Louis at his best but I do , however, see him being very compeitive with Dempsey and beating the shit out of Marciano. He would be able to handle most of the HWs from the 80's except for Holmes and '85-88 Tyson. He would have problems with some of the gargantuan HWs of the 90's but he could absolutely beat every HW out there today, including Wlad...Vitali's another story:-(.

[Hookie]

Ok, he obviously wouldn't beat Joe Louis at his best but I do , however, see him being very compeitive with Dempsey and beating the shit out of Marciano. He would be able to handle most of the HWs from the 80's except for Holmes and '85-88 Tyson. He would have problems with some of the gargantuan HWs of the 90's but he could absolutely beat every HW out there today, including Wlad...Vitali's another story:-(.

You sir are certainly entitled to your opinion! I don't think Quarry was quite that good... but I do enjoy watching some of his old fights. I will also admit that he was tough as hell.

I'll assume you'd pick Quarry over Ruiz, right? I'm not so sure Quarry would get past Ruiz with a win.

Wlad vs. Quarry? I'll take Wlad in 2!

[Hookie]

Ok, he obviously wouldn't beat Joe Louis at his best but I do , however, see him being very compeitive with Dempsey and beating the shit out of Marciano. He would be able to handle most of the HWs from the 80's except for Holmes and '85-88 Tyson. He would have problems with some of the gargantuan HWs of the 90's but he could absolutely beat every HW out there today, including Wlad...Vitali's another story:-(.


How about Quarry vs. the likes of Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Jimmy Bivins, or Jersey Joe Walcott?

[booradley]

How about Quarry vs. the likes of Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Jimmy Bivins, or Jersey Joe Walcott?

Quarry/Walcott:think

To bad we'll never get to see that one!

[Son of Gaul]

Quarry/Walcott:think

To bad we'll never get to see that one!

That would be a great fight but I don't think Walcott would trouble Quarry that much. Of the listed fighters, Ezzard Charles would probably have the best chance based on his extraordinary boxing acumen and speed. These kinds of guys(Machen, Ellis, Ali) troubled him more than anything else.

[PowerPuncher]

Other sports may well benefit from powerlifting techniques. I'm still not sure whether it does boxing training any good. Frank Bruno had a physique like a top body builder. This is partly what made him so stiff at times.

Bodybuilding does not equal Powerlifting, and Brunos problems in the ring werent physical

[Hookie]

That would be a great fight but I don't think Walcott would trouble Quarry that much. Of the listed fighters, Ezzard Charles would probably have the best chance based on his extraordinary boxing acumen and speed. These kinds of guys(Machen, Ellis, Ali) troubled him more than anything else.


So, Charles would have a chance huh? No disrespect intended but IMO you are overrating Quarry. Ezzard Charles was one of the best fighters ever! Quarry wouldn't stand a chance vs. a well prepared Charles.

Charles went 42-0 as an amateur... the only HW champ that went undefeated before turning pro. He also has more wins as a pro than any other HW champ.

He would have been the first 2x HW Champ had he got the nod vs. Jersey Joe Walcott in their 4th fight. He also lost a close decision to Marciano for the title.

From 1946- mid 1951 Charles went 39-1 overall and 9-0 in HW World Title Fights. The only loss was a split-decision to Elmer Ray. He stopped Ray in 9 rounds in the rematch. During this time Charles also beat:

Archie Moore x3, Lloyd Marshall x2, Jimmy Bivins x3, Fitzie Fitzpatrick x2, Sam Baroudi, Joe Baksi, Joey Maxim x5, Jersey Joe Walcott x2, Gus Lesnevich, Pat Valentino, Joe Louis, and Lee Oma among others.

He went 25-5 vs. the above mentioned fighters. He beat every fighter that beat him in those 30 fights though (Ray 1 out of 2, Marshall 2 out of 3, Bivins 4 out of 5, and Walcott 2 out of 4).

Earlier in his career (before 1946) he beat Marty Simmons, Teddy Yarosz, Anton Christoforidis, and Charley Burley twice. He also drew with Ken Overlin.

Even past his prime he gave a prime Rocky Marciano hell (L15 and Lkoby8 in Charles' 98th and 99th pro fights).

Charles W15 Quarry but I wouldn't be surprised if Charles stopped him.

[Son of Gaul]

So, Charles would have a chance huh? No disrespect intended but IMO you are overrating Quarry. Ezzard Charles was one of the best fighters ever! Quarry wouldn't stand a chance vs. a well prepared Charles.

Charles went 42-0 as an amateur... the only HW champ that went undefeated before turning pro. He also has more wins as a pro than any other HW champ.

From 1946- mid 1951 Charles went 39-1 overall and 9-0 in HW World Title Fights. The only loss was a split-decision to Elmer Ray. He stopped Ray in 9 rounds in the rematch. During this time Charles beat:

Archie Moore x3, Lloyd Marshall x2, Jimmy Bivins x3, Fitzie Fitzpatrick x2, Sam Baroudi, Joe Baksi, Joey Maxim x5, Jersey Joe Walcott x2, Gus Lesnevich, Pat Valentino, Joe Louis, and Lee Oma among others.

Earlier in his career (before 1946) he beat Marty Simmons, Teddy Yarosz, Anton Christoforidis, and Charley Burley twice. He also drew with Ken Overlin.

Even past his prime he gave a prime Rocky Marciano hell ( L15 and Lkoby8 in Charles' 98th and 99th pro fights).

Charles W15 Quarry but I wouldn't be surprised if Charles stopped him.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion but I really don't see how Ezzard Charles would stop the '69/'70 version of Jerry Quarry considering his punch resistance. I do, however, admit that Quarry would have problems with Charles. He would be a handful for any other HW of the era(except Joe Louis).

[Hookie]

Walcott vs. Quarry would be a close fight. Walcott was so unpredictable and sometimes fought down to the level of his opponent. If Walcott was at his best I think he would win by a close but convincing decision... if he isn't, Quarry wins a close decision.

Walcott was more elusive than Quarry, he had good power and quickness as well. They were similar in height and weight.

[Hookie]

You're certainly entitled to your opinion but I really don't see how Ezzard Charles would stop the '69/'70 version of Jerry Quarry considering his punch resistance. I do, however, admit that Quarry would have problems with Charles. He would be a handful for any other HW of the era(except Joe Louis).

Well, I do agree that he would be a handful for almost any HW ever... and that includes Charles.

[dezbeast]

I don't see Charles ever stopping Quarry. Patterson couldn't even stop a green Quarry, and Charles power and handspeed was not on the same level as Patterson's.

Anyway, from what I observed with Hearns, if Quarry just goes all out against him without focusing on skill he will stop Hearns similar to the way Hagler did.

[Hookie]

I don't see Charles ever stopping Quarry. Patterson couldn't even stop a green Quarry, and Charles power and handspeed was not on the same level as Patterson's.

Anyway, from what I observed with Hearns, if Quarry just goes all out against him without focusing on skill he will stop Hearns similar to the way Hagler did.

Patterson was past prime when he fought Quarry. Quarry may not have peaked yet but he had already fought Tony Doyle D10, Tony Alongi D10 x2, Machen L10, and Brian London among others.

A prime Charles was faster than a past prime Patterson for sure. Power? They both had good power but I will give Patterson the edge in that department. Better overall boxer? Charles for sure!

[billy boy balbo]

ok whats the point of this

[Doc Dynamo]

I peg Quarry as a very good, but not great, and smallish heavyweight. The caliber of fighter that could be a champion when the division is weak.

If you believe Hearns could be beat this kind of fighter, you have to believe that he'd still be a big time puncher at HW, that bulking up wouldn't slow him down or kill his endurance and that his chin could have survived by a big HW punch.

If Hearns could do this, why didn't he do it? In 85-88 there's a very good, but not great and smallish HW champ: Michael Spinks. Why didn't Hearns bulk up and get the big prize against Spinks? Answer: because he couldn't.

Heavyweights hit harder than Iran Barkley or Marvin Hagler. Hearns record against good HW's would look a lot like Bob Fosters.

PS: Tommy Hearns is one of my favorite fighters of all time. I've seen about 30 of his fights. A great fiighter? Yes. A great or even very good HW? No

[Hookie]

M. Spinks would have beat the crap out of Quarry. All, I am saying is that Hearns "could" win a hard fought decision vs. Quarry.

[Hookie]

The fact that Hearns was stopped by Hagler and Barkley means nothing. Hearns was their size when he fought them... he had to make weight, etc. Also, I explained above how a slower, less skilled bigger man is more unlikely to hurt a fighter than a smaller man who is fast and highly skilled... but whatever, I'm done with this thread for now.

Quit overrating Quarry people, the man wasn't that good.

[Hookie]

Look at the results of...

Haye W12 Valuev... huge size difference but Carl Thompson stopped Haye at CW

Chagaev W12 Valuev... huge size difference, but Chagaev was stopped in 9 by a fighter who weighed 80Lbs. less than Valuev

Williamson KO5 Sanders... huge size difference, but Williamson has been outboxed and stopped by guys his own size

Weaver KO15 Tate... the smaller Weaver was stopped by several people not as good as Tate prior to his fight with Tate

Holyfield KO3 Douglas, W12 Foreman, W12 Holmes, and W12 Bowe (their 2nd fight). All bigger men with good overall skills.

Adamek KO5 Golota and W12 Estrada... Adamek was a LHW who was beat by a LHW who could make SMW (Dawson). He will probbaly beat Arreola (a 260Lber) in April.

Barkley vs. Coetzee... both way past prime but it just shows that you can judge what happened in different weight classes on what will happen when both fighters meet in the same division...

James Toney is a very good example of this... he struggled vs. Sanderline Williams, Merqui Sosa, Michael Nunn, Reggie Johnson, Mike McCallum, Dave Tiberi, Montell Griffin, Drake Thadzi, Terry McGroom, and Vassiliy Jirov... some wins, some losses... but he has little problems with guys like Evander Holyfield, John Ruiz, Sam Peter (first fight), Hasim Rahman x2? Don't judge a HW on what he did at MW, SMW, LHW, or even CW. It doesn't always tell the tale.

[SamWise]

Bob Foster is your guide to this fight. Tall, rangy, explosive power at Light Heavy (better than Hearns' at that weight, I'd say). 2 inches taller, carried light heavy well, but when he stepped up, he got blasted even by second division heavies like Zora Folley. I don't see any justification for thinking that Hearns could do what Foster didn't; he had a very similar style, and was a considerably less distinguished light heavy. I don't see Hearns carrying his power up to heavy, and his chin didn't hold up against the heaviest punchers even at middleweight.

Comparisons with Holyfield, whose career low weight was 176 pounds are meaningless when you're consider a man who started at welter. Comparisons against Valuev (or similarly huge opponents) are particularly redundant, since Valuev can't fight a lick, and since we're not talking about a huge, immobile lump here. Plain and simply, we're talking about a man who couldn't take Hagler's shots for 4 rounds, or get him out of there, dealing with a guy who took out Earnie Shavers in one round. Hearns vs Ruiz doesn't look totally unreasonable, because Ruiz barely throws a punch. Hearns Valuev even looks more reasonable than putting him in against an active, hard punching guy like Quarry.

[johnmaff36]

There it is, folks, exactly what this thread was looking for... a raving lunatic.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Brilliant. The inaugeral winner of the ESB (in conjunction with Groucho Marx Estate)Post of the week no question. Im just sorry you beat me to it. ha ha ha ha:good

[johnmaff36]

Maurice Greene used to be 160pounds at 5"9, before he starting training with HSI and the legendary John Smith. Where he then beefed up to 175 -180pounds in his prime, when he was the fastest man in the world, and changed the game of sprinting forever.

Did the powerlifting slow Maurice Greene down..????

No..

Don't open your mouth, if you don't fully understand what is being said.

Its all abou power to weight ratio..
With respect PK, can you give me an example of a boxer bulking up on powerlifting that was actually faster as a result of it? Hearns is an ATG no question but Quarry would walk right through him IMO

[leverage]

Quarry wins inside of 5. Quarry could take hearns punches but hearns couldn't take jerrys punches, it's as simple as that. If quarry wasn't a big puncher then perhaps I would give hearns a chance.

[turpinr]

a quarry left hook would seperate hearns from his senses early.why match quarry with light heavies?? he has no history of fighting smaller men.

[anarci]

im surprised this thread has made it so far. Such an easy fight for Quarry.

[Son of Gaul]

im surprised this thread has made it so far. Such an easy fight for Quarry.

Yeah, but some people just see "Tommy Hearns" and assume that he'll perform at 200 like he did at 154 against someone of Quarry's ability.

[tommygun711]

Quarry is too tough imo if he can go that long with Frazier who hits harder then Hearns then I'll go for Jerry any day.

[mr. magoo]

Pound for pound, this is not even close in terms of who was the better fighter, but in a head to head sense, I can't favor Hearns at all... Tommy would have been stretching himself razor thin at these levels, and Jerry was a destoyer in his prime who beat literally handfuls of good heavyweights... If Hearns opted to be super cautious, he might have won a few of the early rounds, perhaps even lasted a while.. But Jerry is going to get him at some point.

[enquirer]

Comedy thread.
Hearns had all the trouble in the world with a bruiser like barkley at 175.
Any version of hearns,even on hgh and dianobol loses inside and badly.
Come on guys...