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burt bienstock
03-09-2010, 05:43 AM
Who were the ten deadliest right hand punchers? No particular order? Duck...I'll start out...
Aurellio Herrara
Joe Gans
Georges Carpentier
Gunboat Smith
Jack Delaney
Joe Louis
Max Schmeling
Lew Jenkins
Bob Satterfield
Thomas Hearns
And your list?

JudgeDredd
03-09-2010, 05:45 AM
Wasn't Ketchel's money punch the right hand?

Maxmomer
03-09-2010, 05:55 AM
Wasn't Ketchel's money punch the right hand?

According to one story he put Willie Lewis' teeth through his lip with a right hand.

burt bienstock
03-09-2010, 06:22 AM
Ketchel by all reports was a "rip snortin puncher", with both hands, an animal, as he was described...About Willie Lewis, true story...Sidenote...In 1935, Joe Louis ,fighting the indestructable Paolino Uzcudun of Spain, KO'd Uzcudin with a one punch right hand thatDrove Paolino's front teeth threw his lips...True story...That;s how hard young Joe Louis could send it....

red cobra
03-09-2010, 06:40 AM
Who were the ten deadliest right hand punchers? No particular order? Duck...I'll start out...
Aurellio Herrara
Joe Gans
Georges Carpentier
Gunboat Smith
Jack Delaney
Joe Louis
Max Schmeling
Lew Jenkins
Bob Satterfield
Thomas Hearns
And your list?
No place for Max Baer on your list? A man who was responsible for the deaths of two men?

bodhi
03-09-2010, 06:42 AM
No place for Max Baer on your list? A man who was responsible for the deaths of two men?

I would have thought you mentioned Monzon :lol: But both would be good picks Baer and Monzon.

Furey
03-09-2010, 09:10 AM
Tommy Hearns.

His right hand was a missile.

burt bienstock
03-09-2010, 09:19 AM
Yes Max Baer and Carlos Monzon should be included,along with Ernie Shavers...All great right hands...I would love to have seen Max Baer ,young and motivated against George Foreman...Timber.....

Seamus
03-09-2010, 09:32 AM
Kostya Tszyu, Alexis Arguello, Rocky Marciano come to mind, additionally.

Vantage_West
03-09-2010, 09:33 AM
wow minds gone blank. only ones i think in the modern day era are
randell bailey had nothing but a limp wristed jab + booming right cross
lennox lewis before he added the left hook his right broke threw alot of defences
tszyu's crunching right hand....
,are we counting right handers or can we adding southpaws? joel casamayors left hookross when he wasnt bothered about circling around the ring stopped alot of people

The Funny Man 7
03-09-2010, 09:49 AM
Max Baer
Thomas Hearns
Ketchel
Kostya Tsyu
Lennox Lewis
Joe Louis

Son of Gaul
03-09-2010, 09:54 AM
Wasn't Ketchel's money punch the right hand?

Indeed, Ketchel's always overlooked.

teeto
03-09-2010, 10:20 AM
Ketchel's easily one of the first that jumps to my mind on this subject. Mostly all my picks have been named though, Arguello (who had it in both hands), Hearns is just the most obvious of them all. Mike Spinks and Carlos Zarate should be mentioned in this company, Baer's right was just raw also. On a different note, we could mention Schmeling, not so much for the power, but the potency, as accurate a power shot i've seen, and it worked in terms of leverage, not pure power. He would lure a man onto it and just punch through them. Jimmy Wilde must be up there pound for pound. Ingemarr Johannson anyone?

Lobotomy
03-09-2010, 11:20 AM
If southpaws are to be included, then Hagler belongs, as his right jab was in reality what Liston's left jab was in mythology.

Sullivan belongs here. Even in losing the title to Corbett, he did bowl over the challenger with a big right hand, his first good punch of the fight, in round 19.

Like Ingo, Coetzee was wholly dependent on his right to inflict damage.

Hearns, Monzon, Shavers, Arguello and Louis are obvious choices. Certainly the Maxes, Schmeling and Baer, deserve consideration. Graziano was described as throwing his right like a ball on a chain. Moore would certainly nominate Durelle for this list. Archie considered the first right hand Yvon dropped him with to be the hardest single shot he was hit with in his entire career, and it is a beaut of a punch, very similar to the first right Baer floored Carnera with.

Ali's not always thought of in this way, but aside from Bonavena, how often was his right NOT responsible for getting an opponent out of there? Watch his final stoppage win over southpaw Richard Dunn. All he does is dart his lead right over Dunn's guard repeatedly, staggering and knocking him silly.

Marciano did not really master his use of the left hook until around the time he surprised and impressed Louis with it, and Joe may well have been counting on the expectation that Rocky was still right hand dependent to get through to another title shot. The fact remains that Marciano first became a top contender largely on the power of his right alone.

Seeing Robinson whack Dykes with precise rights to the ribs, and put Graziano's leg to sleep in knocking out his mouthpiece with a single cross, can he reasonably be omitted?

Jeffries did all the (considerable) damage with his right hand in the Sharkey rematch, his vaunted left having been injured in training.

Not saying I'd include all these names in a top ten listing, just trying to expand the data base a bit beyond some others previously mentioned (like Ketchel, Carpentier and Delaney).

Rosario? (Rated a harder puncher than Arguello by Ramirez.)

Jorodz
03-09-2010, 11:57 AM
call me modern, but julian jackson should be there i think

red cobra
03-09-2010, 12:01 PM
I would have thought you mentioned Monzon :lol: But both would be good picks Baer and Monzon.
Well, were it not for the constraints of time this morning..yes I also include Monzon of course. Before the toll taken by arthritis and a bullet lodged in his shoulder/arm, Monzon fronted the power of that right hand more..he adopted a more patient, debilitating and calculating style thereafterwards...he used it more sparingly and pulled the power of it somewhat. The right he bludgeoned Nino Benvenuti with was a deadly weapon. It ranks among the top rights of history.

EleventhHour
03-09-2010, 12:04 PM
call me modern, but julian jackson should be there i think

Julian Jackson had such ludicrous power in both hands that it seems almost unfair to his left hand to praise his right.

Jorodz
03-09-2010, 12:05 PM
Julian Jackson had such ludicrous power in both hands that it seems almost unfair to his left hand to praise his right.

:deal

Abdullah
03-09-2010, 12:25 PM
When I think of a great right hand puncher, I think of Tommy Hearns. I know there are many more, but he is the first name that came to mind.

Jorodz
03-09-2010, 12:29 PM
great picks so far. i'll throw in a few more: john mugabi, sam langford, sandy saddler, bazooka gomez, rocky marciano (apologies if these have been said already)

bodhi
03-09-2010, 12:37 PM
call me modern, but julian jackson should be there i think

You are so modern. :-(

Jorodz
03-09-2010, 12:43 PM
You are so modern. :-(

haha, i don't care. his punch had fucking atomic power. julian jackson's right hand on herol graham actually created a hole in the ozone layer. fact

burt bienstock
03-09-2010, 12:47 PM
Lobotomy, I like your description of Grazizno throwing a right hand...I saw Graziano pre-Zale many times,oh what a thrilling fighter young Rocky was those days...He threw his right hand,like a wild arcing club...Not much on his left hand though..Tough, tough guy...

EleventhHour
03-09-2010, 01:14 PM
haha, i don't care. his punch had fucking atomic power. julian jackson's right hand on herol graham actually created a hole in the ozone layer. fact

:lol::lol::lol:

Well said. "The Hawk" is one of my favorite fighters of all time. His knockout of Terry Norris actually gave me a headache.

mcvey
03-09-2010, 01:26 PM
Ketchel by all reports was a "rip snortin puncher", with both hands, an animal, as he was described...About Willie Lewis, true story...Sidenote...In 1935, Joe Louis ,fighting the indestructable Paolino Uzcudun of Spain, KO'd Uzcudin with a one punch right hand thatDrove Paolino's front teeth threw his lips...True story...That;s how hard young Joe Louis could send it....

Louis knocked Paulino's gold teeth out, they were on the ring canvas, like a charm bracelet.
It was Braddock you
were referring to, he put Braddock's teeth through the mouthpiece and into his lips.

ricardoparker93
03-09-2010, 01:46 PM
Julian Jackson
Bob Foster
Joe Louis
Thomas Hearns
Alexis Arguello
Archie Moore

Jorodz
03-09-2010, 01:54 PM
Julian Jackson
Bob Foster
Joe Louis
Thomas Hearns
Alexis Arguello
Archie Moore

i know moore holds the record for knockouts but whenever i watched it, it never appeared THAT devastating. it was sneaky, well placed, with some pop. fuck it, he must have been doing something amazing to knock out so many guys

ricardoparker93
03-09-2010, 02:05 PM
Julian Jackson had power that was just beyond belief even when he was well past his prime. Could you imagine him fighting with 6 oz gloves against opponents with no mouthpiece!

Jorodz
03-09-2010, 02:11 PM
Julian Jackson had power that was just beyond belief even when he was well past his prime. Could you imagine him fighting with 6 oz gloves against opponents with no mouthpiece!

i honestly feel he's in the sam langford level of power: he could have taken on the heavyweights of years gone by. i can see him in the ring with a 180-185 pound man. the only problem was he wasn't that physically imposing and his chin wasn't the best. but he could knock out damn near anyone if he can land that right

Bummy Davis
03-09-2010, 02:42 PM
Max Baer
Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Archie Moore
Schmeling
Satterfeild
Julian Jackson
Foreman
Shavers
Coetzee
Hearns
Arguello

Jorodz
03-09-2010, 02:53 PM
what are people's thoughts on lew jenkins and chalky wright?

techks
03-09-2010, 02:56 PM
I wouldn't say ever but the Spinx Jinx from Michael Spinks was a thing of beauty. Ya don't believe me watch his fight with Sears.

Son of Gaul
03-09-2010, 03:04 PM
Don't forget Stanley Ketchel.

bodhi
03-09-2010, 03:42 PM
what are people's thoughts on lew jenkins and chalky wright?

Imo Jenkins was the hardest hitting lightweight ever. Wright hit very hard too but not as hard as Lew.

Jorodz
03-09-2010, 03:43 PM
Imo Jenkins was the hardest hitting lightweight ever. Wright hit very hard too but not as hard as Lew.

can't really argue. jenkins was a beast.

PernellSweetPea
03-09-2010, 07:54 PM
Thomas Hearns might have the best right hand in boxing history. Ask great fighters Pipino Cuevas and Roberto Duran about Tommy's right hand. Ask Hagler if it was hard. Hearns right hand knocked out Cuevas and Duran, knocked down Benitez and Leonard hurt Hagler and Hill, as well as stopped numerous other fighters.

Vantage_West
03-09-2010, 09:21 PM
:lol::lol::lol:

Well said. "The Hawk" is one of my favorite fighters of all time. His knockout of Terry Norris actually gave me a headache.
lampley said in the hbo triple header which julian was billing on about how jackson beat the still light middleweigth champ. along the lines of "right hand put him to sleep, left hand woke him up,then another right hand put him back to bed again" good discription all honesty.....norris actually got up at ther count of 8 which is still stunning.

brando18b4h
03-09-2010, 09:27 PM
Rocky Graziano should make the list

Seamus
03-09-2010, 09:33 PM
Ike Williams needs consideration.

Jorodz
03-09-2010, 09:38 PM
Ike Williams needs consideration.

i was thinking that to....despite his relatively low knockout percentage he had a tremendous right hand and left hook

MAG1965
03-09-2010, 09:48 PM
When I think right hand I think of Tommy Hearns of course. After the 1980's anyone who considers the best right hands have to have him at the top. His jab is also a consideration for best jab ever.

keyser
03-10-2010, 09:48 AM
It ain't the quickest or prettiest or deadliest looking right in the game, but I think every single time I've seen Golota connect with a straight right, it's been a knock down.

Jorodz
03-10-2010, 10:06 AM
It ain't the quickest or prettiest or deadliest looking right in the game, but I think every single time I've seen Golota connect with a straight right, it's been a knock down.

not a bad pick. i like chavez's to: one of the heaviest rights i've ever seen. didn't always get the knockdown, but round after round pounded you down like a wave.

for more heavies, i'll say leotis martin and cleveland williams

Gesta
03-10-2010, 11:02 PM
[quote=Lobotomy;6272766]If southpaws are to be included, then Hagler belongs, as his right jab was in reality what Liston's left jab was in mythology.quote]

Hagler Vs Sibson and Sweet Pea vs Haugen are some of the best jabs that I have seen, both being south paws too.

JohnThomas1
03-11-2010, 03:05 AM
If southpaws are to be included, then Hagler belongs, as his right jab was in reality what Liston's left jab was in mythology.


If southpaws are included we simply judge their left hand. It's the only way.

JohnThomas1
03-11-2010, 03:09 AM
It's incredible how much Spinks stint at heavyweight causes so many to overlook his devastation at 175.

mattdonnellon
03-11-2010, 05:46 AM
Four pages and no Maher or Fitz??
BtW somebody said Sully kd Corbett, is that so?

Lobotomy
03-11-2010, 12:46 PM
If southpaws are included we simply judge their left hand. It's the only way.So we are then to consider right crosses exclusively. Perhaps that was inferred by the thread starter (Burt), but I do tend to take these things too literally sometimes.

Lobotomy
03-11-2010, 01:04 PM
Four pages and no Maher or Fitz??
BtW somebody said Sully kd Corbett, is that so?Fleischer rated Fitz as having the best left hook of all time in, "50 Years at Ringside." Bob's right has certainly nothing to sneeze at, but it was his left which was filmed winning the heavyweight title in Carson City.

Years ago, a report I read said that a Sullivan right, "bowled Corbett over" in the 19th round, but that Jim made it back to his corner without difficulty when the bell rang. Sometime, I'll need to dig into some local library microfilm to see what the round by round wire reports were actually communicating during the live event. (Maybe somebody here has more immediate access to source documentation about this.)

techks
03-11-2010, 05:28 PM
It's incredible how much Spinks stint at heavyweight causes so many to overlook his devastation at 175.
:clap:That and it's unfair because he had a few good wins @ hvy against Holmes & Cooney(not a great fighter but a unexpected ko for Spinks). Yes he gets remembered for being ko'd by a PRIME TYSON but not many would beat Tyson that night and Spinks just wasnt the man to do it. He is one of the greatest lt hvy's having wins over Braxton & Mustafa and a fight with Matthew Saad Muhammad would've been great.

Lobotomy
03-11-2010, 07:03 PM
:clap:That and it's unfair because he had a few good wins @ hvy against Holmes & Cooney(not a great fighter but a unexpected ko for Spinks). Yes he gets remembered for being ko'd by a PRIME TYSON but not many would beat Tyson that night and Spin,ks just wasnt the man to do it. He is one of the greatest lt hvy's having wins over Braxton & Mustafa and a fight with Matthew Saad Muhammad would've been great.Yes, and this brings to mind the fact that Ike and Eddie went the distance with him. Where Michael is concerned, I find myself picturing how his hook turned Wassaja into a bobblehead doll, and laid out Marvin Johnson flat, or mechanically whacked Tangstad, just as often as I see his right uppercut off the ropes explode like a shotgun blast against Jerry Celestine's head. The Jinx cross was his best punch, but he knocked out second tier opponents with it so routinely, that there isn't really a singular iconic example of him eliminating somebody with it. (Vonzell Johnson is the first name that comes to my mind when considering his straight right.) Spinks bled Ranquello dry with his jab alone. Mike really had it all, except a fast start at the world class level.

Cobra33
03-11-2010, 07:20 PM
1.Alexis Arguello-threw it straight as an arrow.
2.Juilan Jackson
3.Thomas Hearns
4.Michael Spinks-took down heavyweights with it.
5.Earnie Shavers-ask Larry Holmes
6.Rocky Graziano-Won a title with it.
7.Danny Lopez-righthand power brought him back from the brink of defeat many times.
8.Matthew Sadd Muhammad-Power and pride.
9.Lew Jenkins
10.Mark Breland-say what you will about his pro career but he had a great righthand.

billy boy balbo
03-12-2010, 05:22 AM
jack johnson should be here

teeto
03-12-2010, 05:39 AM
It's a bit mad how i'm the only person to mention Ingemmar Johannson

Jorodz
03-12-2010, 07:31 AM
It's a bit mad how i'm the only person to mention Ingemmar Johannson

yeah the fact that he was a one trick pony shouldn't take away from how amazing that one trick is (that started sounding dirty)

teeto
03-12-2010, 07:53 AM
yeah the fact that he was a one trick pony shouldn't take away from how amazing that one trick is (that started sounding dirty)
Haha, yeah he was world heavyweight champion and beat every man he ever faced, and he only had a right hand.

Flea Man
03-12-2010, 08:57 AM
Alexis Arguello.

Flea Man
03-12-2010, 08:58 AM
It's incredible how much Spinks stint at heavyweight causes so many to overlook his devastation at 175.

Not just that, but just the Tyson fight. Unbelievable.

His stoppage over Cooney required quite a few punches, but the size disparity was big.

techks
03-12-2010, 10:35 AM
His stoppage over Cooney required quite a few punches, but the size disparity was big.
Spinks really ate his spinach going into the Cooney fight.

burt bienstock
03-12-2010, 12:55 PM
Let's not forget the sadly forgotten now ,Jack Delaney....On Jan 16,1925 Delaney kod Tiger Flowers in the first round...Tigers corner, claimed Tiger beat the 10 count, and Jack Delaney, allowed the bout to continue in the second round..Well in the 2nd round,another straight right be Delaney, flattened Flowers for the count...Feb. 26,1925 ,Jack Delaney's laser right once again kod Tiger Flowers , in the sixth round...How about that ,three knockouts in two fights...Jack Delaney had a missle for a right hand, and I might add was a great boxer also...Forgoitten today...Sad...

Stevie G
03-12-2010, 01:16 PM
Earnie Shavers' right hand was preety lethal. If the rest of his arsenal had been as good,he may have become champion at some point.

Lobotomy
03-12-2010, 04:43 PM
It's a bit mad how i'm the only person to mention Ingemmar JohannsonI did make a passing mention of Ingo to reference Coetzee in post #14, immediately after you brought him up.

The Wanderer
03-12-2010, 05:46 PM
My top tier has to be:

Hearns
Arguello
Louis
Shavers
Julian Jackson
Kostya Tszyu
Goerge Foreman
Max Baer (sloppier and less accurate than I'd like, but killer power)
Stanley Ketchel

And I'm not quite sure who to give the last spot to. Too many choices, too many people that would be left out.

Jorodz
03-12-2010, 07:10 PM
Let's not forget the sadly forgotten now ,Jack Delaney....On Jan 16,1925 Delaney kod Tiger Flowers in the first round...Tigers corner, claimed Tiger beat the 10 count, and Jack Delaney, allowed the bout to continue in the second round..Well in the 2nd round,another straight right be Delaney, flattened Flowers for the count...Feb. 26,1925 ,Jack Delaney's laser right once again kod Tiger Flowers , in the sixth round...How about that ,three knockouts in two fights...Jack Delaney had a missle for a right hand, and I might add was a great boxer also...Forgoitten today...Sad...

:thumbsup

mattdonnellon
03-12-2010, 07:29 PM
Quote from The Irish Championp234 "The famous manager Harry Lenny, speaking of his former charge the ex-light-heavyweight champion Jack Delaney, had this to say as late as 1949. "Delaney was the hardest right I ever saw except Peter Maher,"

JohnThomas1
03-13-2010, 09:04 AM
Not just that, but just the Tyson fight. Unbelievable.

His stoppage over Cooney required quite a few punches, but the size disparity was big.

:thumbsup

Jorodz
03-13-2010, 10:08 AM
speaking of tyson, i think his right deserves a mention. it was overshadowed by his left hook and uppercut, but he had a damn fine overhand right

JohnThomas1
03-13-2010, 10:28 AM
speaking of tyson, i think his right deserves a mention. it was overshadowed by his left hook and uppercut, but he had a damn fine overhand right

His right hand was probably his finest punch ;)

teeto
03-13-2010, 03:13 PM
I did make a passing mention of Ingo to reference Coetzee in post #14, immediately after you brought him up.
Oh okay sorry my fault.

enquirer
03-15-2010, 07:54 AM
Id say overall,the best right hand was hearns'. But,the best timed right was arguellos. And the most powerful shavers. (maybe foremans' was the best for 'raw' power.)