James Tony has lost his damn mind!!

[Dom79]

He truly thinks that he's just gonna walk into the octagon and dominate these mma fighters who have been around the sport practically thier entire lives. Rumor is, he's going to be fighting Randy "The Natural" Couture. This guy is an MMA/UFC legend and future hall of famer. Its the same as Brock Lesnar coming into boxing and saying that he's gonna dominate one of the Klitschko's at thier own game. U guys would laugh your asses off!

As for Couture, yes he might be up there in age, but so is Tony. Difference is, Randy is always in tip top shape. Tony cant even do 10 situps. He has to get in shape just to get in shape.

[MrMagic]

Randy is going to slam him to the ground and Toney can't do anything, not anything from there.

He'll be dominated so bad it's not even going to be slightly funny to watch, it's going to be embarrassing.

[snakey112]

lol if he actually fights randy, good night james, first death in the octagon right there

[(PimpThaSystem)]

I guess hes lost his mind and the 'e' in 'Toney.'

[Hatesrats]

Why not?
At some point "ALL" of the top MMA fighter's have been knocked out.
If the only resort is to take down Toney because of fear of stand-up...

That & why & who said James can't learn to lube up and fight on the ground?
Just being James.. His Stand-Up is already better than 99% over everyone in MMA.

[steele311]

I can't wait to see Toney in the octagon myself. I hope he fights Kimbo, to be honest. It'll be a standup bout, that's for sure...

[Dom79]

Why not?
At some point "ALL" of the top MMA fighter's have been knocked out.
If the only resort is to take down Toney because of fear of stand-up...

That & why & who said James can't learn to lube up and fight on the ground?
Just being James.. His Stand-Up is already better than 99% over everyone in MMA.

Are u as stupid as Tony? Couture has only 1 thing to watch out for. Tony's punches. Tony on the other thing has several things to watch for. Knee's, kicks, elbows, take down, ground and pound, submission, etc..

As a life long boxing fan, and big fan of James, its going to be a sad day for both when/if he gets in the ring with Randy.

[Juiceboxbiotch]

Dana White's goal here is to get James Toney beat up so he can talk shit about boxing. Boxing's big PPVs are still blowing UFC's out of the water so he needs a red herring.

[Punisher33]

Lesnar practically walked in kicked the top heavyweight's asses, including Randy Couture's. Yes, he was a great wrestler in college, but he had no background in anything else. The same could be said for Toney, who has steller background in boxing, but nothing else.

[Dom79]

Dana White's goal here is to get James Toney beat up so he can talk shit about boxing. Boxing's big PPVs are still blowing UFC's out of the water so he needs a red herring.

James Tony's goal here is to get HIMSELF beat up. Dana didnt go to James. James went to Dana talking about how he wanted to compete in MMA. The boy lost his mind.

[Hatesrats]

Are u as stupid as Tony? Couture has only 1 thing to watch out for. Tony's punches. Tony on the other thing has several things to watch for. Knee's, kicks, elbows, take down, ground and pound, submission, etc..

As a life long boxing fan, and big fan of James, its going to be a sad day for both when/if he gets in the ring with Randy.First of all it's "Toney" jackass.. :lol:

Second, Who said Toney can't also use those tactics?
Is it in his contract not to use those, Stop getting fooled by MMA.
James is a fighter, He will do well don't worry about him.

[Dom79]

Lesnar practically walked in kicked the top heavyweight's asses, including Randy Couture's. Yes, he was a great wrestler in college, but he had no background in anything else. The same could be said for Toney, who has steller background in boxing, but nothing else.

Lesnar is a freak of nature. Aside from his pro wrestling backround, he is very quick and agile for a man his size. Not to mention being extremely powerful. The man is a beast at 6'3 265lbs.

[steele311]

Dana White's goal here is to get James Toney beat up so he can talk shit about boxing. Boxing's big PPVs are still blowing UFC's out of the water so he needs a red herring.


Last time I checked, Dana's a big-time fan of boxing. Just not the way it's run... He respects the fighters and the sport though, as far as I've been able to tell...

[BewareofDawg]

He truly thinks that he's just gonna walk into the octagon and dominate these mma fighters who have been around the sport practically thier entire lives. Rumor is, he's going to be fighting Randy "The Natural" Couture. This guy is an MMA/UFC legend and future hall of famer. Its the same as Brock Lesnar coming into boxing and saying that he's gonna dominate one of the Klitschko's at thier own game. U guys would laugh your asses off!

As for Couture, yes he might be up there in age, but so is Tony. Difference is, Randy is always in tip top shape. Tony cant even do 10 situps. He has to get in shape just to get in shape.
He ran his mouth and now they have him, if I was White I'd feed him to Dos Santos, Cro Cop or Kongo and see if he can even beat a heavyweight striker in the UFC. If he puts him in with Lesnar, the fight will be over in 30 seconds

[Punisher33]

Lesnar is a freak of nature. Aside from his pro wrestling backround, he is very quick and agile for a man his size. Not to mention being extremely powerful. The man is a beast at 6'3 265lbs. Thats fine, but he had a background in nothing else and dominated. Toney is still a world class boxer, whose a freak of nature when it comes to boxing skills. He's no different than Lesnar coming into the UFC, he went from the WWE to MMA and destroyed all the top guys in his path.:lol:

[Dom79]

First of all it's "Toney" jackass.. :lol:

Second, Who said Toney can't also use those tactics?
Is it in his contract not to use those, Stop getting fooled by MMA.
James is a fighter, He will do well don't worry about him.

Nobody said he cant use those tactics, but what makes u think he will be better at those tactics than a man who's been using these tactics his entire career?

Its like saying that Couture can stand there and box with Toney as well. Yes he can, but it would be very stupid of him to do so, just as it would be very stupid of Toney to try and feed into Randy's strengths.

[Dom79]

Thats fine, but he had a background in nothing else and dominated. Toney is still a world class boxer, whose a freak of nature when it comes to boxing skills. He's no different than Lesnar coming into the UFC, he went from the WWE to MMA and destroyed all the top guys in his path.:lol:

He got beat by Frank Mir. :hi:

[EleventhHour]

I love Toney, but his boxing style just doesn't transfer well to MMA. I can understand a power puncher going into the UFC and being able to knock somebody out, but James is a boxer, not a slugger or a brawler. He's a masterful counterpuncher, but that's not going to help him out. He's going to get tackled and rocked.

This sucks.

[Brickhaus]

Toney's dumb for going into MMA at all. He can't punch (I don't care if it's 4 oz gloves, he still can't punch), and if you take that away, then how the hell is he going to win? Plus, his style is horrible for MMA. Upper body movement with planted feet just leaves the lower body open for leg kicks or a takedown.

[BewareofDawg]

Thats fine, but he had a background in nothing else and dominated. Toney is still a world class boxer, whose a freak of nature when it comes to boxing skills. He's no different than Lesnar coming into the UFC, he went from the WWE to MMA and destroyed all the top guys in his path.:lol:
You know dogshit about MMA if you think Toney is at the same advantage as Lesnar was.
A. Lesnar had a wrestling background, which is MUCH more valuable in MMA then boxing alone is.
B. Lesnar is 6'3" over 265lbs of solid muscle
C. Lesnar is in his physical prime
D. Lesnar is one of, if not the most athletic fighter in the Heavyweight division
E. Toney is 5'9" and Fat
F. Toney has no answer for the other aspects of striking in MMA

[Juiceboxbiotch]

Last time I checked, Dana's a big-time fan of boxing. Just not the way it's run... He respects the fighters and the sport though, as far as I've been able to tell...

Dana White is constantly talking shit about Boxing...saying UFC is taking over the market and Boxing is a dying sport and all this nonsense.

[Punisher33]

He got beat by Frank Mir. :hi: In the second fight Mir got his ass handed to him.

[RSBonos]

I like the match up against Couture because its really a no lose situation for Toney and boxing. As stupid as it is, the casual fan will see this as boxing vs MMA, and while it doesn't mean much to either sport it will mean a lot to these casuals.

Couture is a 'legend', and while he is old he can still compete at a high level in MMA and he would not be a favorable match up for Toney style wise because he is a grappler with high level wrestling skills and Couture will game plan and take this seriously. If Couture wins, who cares? He is suppose to win. But if Toney wins it will destroy the ego of MMA fans.

If the lines are big enough I would bet on the underdog Toney...because Couture..especially now...has a GLASS chin and it will really take one punch to put him out.

The real embarrassment for boxing would be if somehow Kimbo faces and beats Toney, and the only reason he would even have a chance to do this is because Toney is a big enough idiot not to bother to train ANY ground game at all.

[hopkinsfan07]

Say what you will...Toney has balls. He will get smashed up though :lol:

[Punisher33]

You know dogshit about MMA if you think Toney is at the same advantage as Lesnar was.
A. Lesnar had a wrestling background, which is MUCH more valuable in MMA then boxing alone is.
B. Lesnar is 6'3" over 265lbs of solid muscle
C. Lesnar is in his physical prime
D. Lesnar is one of, if not the most athletic fighter in the Heavyweight division
E. Toney is 5'9" and Fat
F. Toney has no answer for the other aspects of striking in MMA Lesnar punches like shit, he looks like he's beating a guy off with his terrible punching form when he's on top of his oppenent. Lesnar stamina is not that great in the UFC, his breathing is often times labored.

If Lesnar is the most athletic fighter at heavyweight, then I could really see why a guy who came out of the WWE was able to become champ in the UFC. Could you imagine someone coming out of the WWE becoming heavyweight champ? It would never happen. I think Butterbean proved that back in 98 when he knocked out the best boxer in the WWE in under minute.

[ChrisPontius]

I love Toney, but his boxing style just doesn't transfer well to MMA. I can understand a power puncher going into the UFC and being able to knock somebody out, but James is a boxer, not a slugger or a brawler. He's a masterful counterpuncher, but that's not going to help him out. He's going to get tackled and rocked.

This sucks.

Exactly what i've been trying to tell these fools who give Toney a chance. "He's a world class boxer, yo". First of all, he's not. He's a 41 year old, obese former middleweight who is now classed a heavyweight because of his beer belly and extra chins. Second, he barely got by Batchelder and a gift decision over Oquendo. He's not a world class boxer anymore!

And his style is completely wrong for MMA. A guy like Haye could have some success because he has that big punch, but Toney wasn't a hitter at supermiddleweight, at heavyweight he carries no pop at all. Even Rahman was walking through flush right hands asif it was nothing. Sure, bring up his stoppage over a geriatric, shoulder hurt Holyfield. And that was after 9 rounds of breaking his opponent down; if anyone thinks that is in any way useful under MMA rules then they're seriously deluded.


Seriously, it's sickening to see these Toney "fans" wanting him to do MMA. Sadistic bastards. I don't even like Toney that much, but i hope he never steps into the octagon, because he's going to be seriously hurt/embarrassed/etc. And to top it off, the MMA redneck crowd will say "see ya'll, the all time boxin' great lasted only 30 seconds in MMA!"

[nezy37]

Id give a boxer that had great feet a shot at maybe landing a lucky shot before they were taken down. Toney aint that guy, this will be over inside 30 seconds.

[Tuffnutz]

He has to get in shape just to get in shape.
:lol:

[Tuffnutz]

I can't wait to see Toney in the octagon myself. I hope he fights Kimbo, to be honest. It'll be a standup bout, that's for sure...
Like Mercer vs Kimbo?

[Son of Gaul]

He truly thinks that he's just gonna walk into the octagon and dominate these mma fighters who have been around the sport practically thier entire lives. Rumor is, he's going to be fighting Randy "The Natural" Couture. This guy is an MMA/UFC legend and future hall of famer. Its the same as Brock Lesnar coming into boxing and saying that he's gonna dominate one of the Klitschko's at thier own game. U guys would laugh your asses off!

As for Couture, yes he might be up there in age, but so is Tony. Difference is, Randy is always in tip top shape. Tony cant even do 10 situps. He has to get in shape just to get in shape.

I've learned from experienced to not underestimate really,REALLY intelligent athletes. James Toney is no different. Don't let age or appearance fool you, this guy is still dangerous...:bbb

[SEfisticuffs]

Toney will fight Kimbo slice - and will probably win...

One guy is a complete has-been and the other is a never-was, yet UFC will still somehow make money off of it.

[Pimp C]

What will be really funny is if Toney goes in there and kos that bum in the first minute MMA fans will never live it down. With that said MMA has a lot more to lose in this than boxing does here.

[Tuffnutz]

Lesnar practically walked in kicked the top heavyweight's asses, including Randy Couture's. Yes, he was a great wrestler in college, but he had no background in anything else. The same could be said for Toney, who has steller background in boxing, but nothing else.
Wrestling is a way better base than boxing though and Brock is huge.

[Pimp C]

Dana White's goal here is to get James Toney beat up so he can talk shit about boxing. Boxing's big PPVs are still blowing UFC's out of the water so he needs a red herring.
:deal A pathetic and desperate publicity stunt is all this is. I hope it blows up in his fucking face.

[Punisher33]

I've learned from experienced to not underestimate really,REALLY intelligent athletes. James Toney is no different. Don't let age or appearance fool you, this guy is still dangerous...:bbb Even though he's not a natural heavyweight and is fat. He still pucnhes harder than 90% of them, because he knows how to transfer his weight into his punches. Not only that, but his punch placement and counter punching would make anyone in the UFC look like Charlie Zelenoff if the fight stays in the air. With 4 oz gloves, Toney shatters their glass chins.

[Punisher33]

Wrestling is a way better base than boxing though and Brock is huge. Fair enough, but thats more of an opinion than fact. It's rare to see a world class boxer in the UFC, so it's really tough to base that opinion on anything at this point.

[Son of Gaul]

Even though he's not a natural heavyweight and is fat. He still pucnhes harder than 90% of them, because he knows how to transfer his weight into his punches. Not only that, but his punch placement and counter punching would make anyone in the UFC look like Charlie Zelenoff if the fight stays in the air. With 4 oz gloves, Toney shatters their glass chins.

Excellent post...like I said before, don't underestimate guys like Toney. He has the skill set, the experience and the mental/physical capacity to adapt and win at ANYTHING.

[Pimp C]

Even though he's not a natural heavyweight and is fat. He still pucnhes harder than 90% of them, because he knows how to transfer his weight into his punches. Not only that, but his punch placement and counter punching would make anyone in the UFC look like Charlie Zelenoff if the fight stays in the air. With 4 oz gloves, Toney shatters their glass chins.
I agree Toney has enough power to KO anyone in the UFC and probably punchers harder than anyone there as well. He knows how to punch unlike the UFC guys who are arm punchers at best.

[Son of Gaul]

Toney will fight Kimbo slice - and will probably win...

One guy is a complete has-been and the other is a never-was, yet UFC will still somehow make money off of it.

If UFC guys overlook him, Toney's gonna turn some 'will-bes' into 'has-beens' before they 'ever were'. He's the first active, world class caliber( and yes he's still world class) boxer to switch over.:bbb

[steele311]

Like Mercer vs Kimbo?


lol. Touche. Still though, I think Kimbo might be under the impression that he might be able to hurt Toney while Toney may not have the 'pop' to hurt em back, unlike Ray Mercer, even at his advanced age...

[Son of Gaul]

I've learned from experienced to not underestimate really,REALLY intelligent athletes. James Toney is no different. Don't let age or appearance fool you, this guy is still dangerous...:bbb

Along with the above, please remember that he has only been knocked down twice in his career(never KO'd) and he is an extremely intelligent boxer who has adapted to fighting(and being successful) in 5 different weight classes...TRUST ME, HE'LL ADAPT TO THIS:good!

[RSBonos]

Even zombie Coleman manged to stun Couture with a punch and zombie Big Nog knocked him down...so Toney only has to land a glancing blow and its over.

[RonnieHornschuh]

I think Toney seriously believes that he can beat Brock Lesnar. And that him learning two months of takedown defense will prevent him of getting tossed around like bag.
He is in for a reality check if he truly fights Lesnar, Mir or even Couture. He might be able to beat someone like Kimbo or Silvia though.

[Son of Gaul]

Even zombie Coleman manged to stun Couture with a punch and zombie Big Nog knocked him down...so Toney only has to land a glancing blow and its over.

James Toney is going to shock a lot of people...even after he beats Kimbo.

[Dom79]

:deal A pathetic and desperate publicity stunt is all this is. I hope it blows up in his fucking face.

Why are u mad at Dana though? Its was Toney who was yelling and hollering because Dana didnt even want to sign him or give him a contract. Toney got what he wanted. This wasnt Dana's idea.

[Punisher33]

I agree Toney has enough power to KO anyone in the UFC and probably punchers harder than anyone there as well. He knows how to punch unlike the UFC guys who are arm punchers at best. I'm not saying Toney is going to run a train on the UFC's best heavyweights, but he will always have a punchers chance going in. With 4 oz gloves, Toney can end a fight with one punch. Especially against guys who never took a big punch without falling asleep right afterwards.

[ozziebattler]

Lesnar practically walked in kicked the top heavyweight's asses, including Randy Couture's. Yes, he was a great wrestler in college, but he had no background in anything else. The same could be said for Toney, who has steller background in boxing, but nothing else.

Any1 that knows anything about MMA will tell the best background to lay the foundations with is in Wrestling..

I honestly think Toney seen the massive shot Mercer put on a former UFC champ in Silvia and thought ''FUCK I CAN DO THAT,MERCER IS A PUNK''..

Toney has always been batshit crazy...I dont think he will amount to much in the cage but i do know you need a little bit of CRAZY in you to be a success in the Octagon..

Toney sure as shit has plenty of that..If nothing else..

[ozziebattler]

If UFC guys overlook him, Toney's gonna turn some 'will-bes' into 'has-beens' before they 'ever were'. He's the first active, world class caliber( and yes he's still world class) boxer to switch over.:bbb

I know for a fact if he faces some1 like Randy Couture he will not be taken lightly..

And will most probably be bullied on the ground until its stopped..

Though will admit Toney has a serious punchers chance in any fight..

[sugarngold]

I like Toney's chances in a Couture fight. Randy must possess the single greatest in ring intellect in MMA - yet Toney is just as smart in boxing. Randy is always a sucker for a right hand and that is James' bread and butter!

[Wilhelm]

Fair enough, but thats more of an opinion than fact. It's rare to see a world class boxer in the UFC, so it's really tough to base that opinion on anything at this point.


Mediocre wrestlers can come in and beat mma fighters with their wrestling. The mediocre boxers that have come into mma and done anything at all (Chris Lytle, Marcus Davis) did so because they vastly adapted their boxing game with kicks and years of grappling training.

If there's one thing that mma has shown with absolute clarity it's that large body moves like throws and takedowns are much more efficient and likely to work than small moves at moving targets like punches. If you took twins and had one who became a state champ wrestler and one who because a state golden gloves boxing champ and then taught them mma for a year and had them fight, the wrestler would win 95/100.

[rekcutnevets]

I respect James Toney. Toney vs McCallum was the first PPV fight I ever ordered, and it was well worth it. Toney evolved into the most accurate counter puncher of my time. If anyone ever misses an attack on Toney, and he is in punching distance, he will make them pay. If a quick combo can end the fight, he is capable of delivering it.

Now let's look at the issue that is going to get him defeated by most top fighters, his size. BJ Penn and James Toney are very much alike in the balls department. They are willing to face anyone no matter how big. Now just pretend they were equal in their mma abilities. Competing at 170 is a challenge for Penn. Toney is small enough to fight at 170 if he were not obese. Just think of the challenge it would be for Toney to compete at heavyweight even if he were on Penn's level skill wise. Now realize that he is not on that level.

[achillesthegreat]

Toney was an American Footballer once. Maybe he has a sick takedown :-)

[socrates]

how on earth can people say toneys stand up is better than 99% of fighters??

the guy is a boxer not a muay thai specialist!! there are strikers in mma who would make him look like a fat baby in there with standup alone! kickboxing is a much more precise and technical form of striking than boxing, toney has no knoweledge of how to utilise his legs.

[TKDfighterJoe]

oh good, we needed another toney thread.

seriously, one out of shape former champ boxer with a big mouth waltzes into mma and you would think its the biggest thing to happen in mma by looking at the threads.

[jasonbourne]

I dont c nothing wrong with him trying to fight in the MMA shit if he feels like he can compete go for it. If he looses no one could say oh MMA fighters are better than Boxers to totaly different sports only a small few could compete in both and be a real good fighter.

[BewareofDawg]

how on earth can people say toneys stand up is better than 99% of fighters??

the guy is a boxer not a muay thai specialist!! there are strikers in mma who would make him look like a fat baby in there with standup alone! kickboxing is a much more precise and technical form of striking than boxing, toney has no knoweledge of how to utilise his legs.
Or defend against elbows, knees, leg kicks, a muay thai clinch :-( Not to mention he is fucking short, fat and old :lol:

[2ironmt]

Thats fine, but he had a background in nothing else and dominated. Toney is still a world class boxer, whose a freak of nature when it comes to boxing skills. He's no different than Lesnar coming into the UFC, he went from the WWE to MMA and destroyed all the top guys in his path.:lol:
Toney WAS a world class boxer. Lesnar was a monster athelete in his prime with large physical advantages over his opposition. Toney is 41 years old and has large physical disadvantage in relation to any decent ufc fighter.

[snakey112]

James Toney is going to shock a lot of people...even after he beats Kimbo.
just stop

you're living in a fantasy land

[Son of Gaul]

how on earth can people say toneys stand up is better than 99% of fighters??

the guy is a boxer not a muay thai specialist!! there are strikers in mma who would make him look like a fat baby in there with standup alone! kickboxing is a much more precise and technical form of striking than boxing, toney has no knoweledge of how to utilise his legs.

I think they're refering to his punching, obviously nothing else. With that said, he is still very dangerous.

[Son of Gaul]

oh good, we needed another toney thread.

seriously, one out of shape former champ boxer with a big mouth waltzes into mma and you would think its the biggest thing to happen in mma by looking at the threads.

People are intrigued because he's the first ACTIVE, world-class boxer to switch over. I'm not gonna lie, I'd like to see how he does myself. I think he'll be very competitive.

[Son of Gaul]

just stop

you're living in a fantasy land

C'mon man, just watch his past/current fights and you tell me, objectively that he couldn't adapt to fighting in the UFC. He's got the skull of a Neanderthal and he's fought at a VERY high level in 5 weight classes. Don't write him off...yet.