Roberto Duran vs Harry Greb @160lbs

[Pachilles]

Who wins and why?

[janitor]

Is this even a fair fight?

[TheGreatA]

Greb by SD

[Pachilles]

Is this even a fair fight?

two highly regarded fighters who fought at 160lbs, yes

[ricardoparker93]

Duran KO's him Davey Moore style. It's a no contest!

[teeto]

Manny Pacquiao vs Sugar Ray Robinson.

[Lobotomy]

Duran has no hope of intimidating Greb as he got inside SRL's head before Montreal. Harry was utterly fearless. Additionally, Greb could take it downstairs, and typically had to. He could move in and out for 15 rounds, and finish strongly. Roberto is not matching hand and foot speed here. It's like Harry declared before Walker. Duran couldn't knock him out, and Greb would not try to knock El Cholo out. There would be no question in anybody's mind about who the winner was after 15. Even the Panamanian press would have declared Harry the victor here.

[teeto]

Manny Pacquiao vs Sugar Ray Robinson.
The fight doesn't come off. Pacquiao claims he is allergic to boxing.

[Pachilles]

The fight doesn't come off. Pacquiao claims he is allergic to boxing.

More likely, the italian mafia threaten to send his wife's head back to phillipines in a box, in true italian fashion

[Rock0052]

Is this even a fair fight?

Greb has been dead for a long time now, that should even the odds out a bit.

[teeto]

More likely, the italian mafia threaten to send his wife's head back to phillipines in a box, in true italian fashion
Italian? Keep embarrassing yourself kid.

Sicilian mafia, get it right, and let your Duran obsession die now.

[teeto]

Greb has been dead for a long time now, that should even the odds out a bit.

:rofl:rofl

[janitor]

two highly regarded fighters who fought at 160lbs, yes

But Duran was not great at 160lbs.

He was great at 135lbs and even at 147lbs, but he is going to come up short against the best 160 pounders.

[Pachilles]

Greb has been dead for a long time now, that should even the odds out a bit.

Surely the fact that neither you or anyone else on here has ever seen Greb actually fight, should factor into the equation? Or at the very least not lead you to the conclusion that Greb is the definate victor here? And dont forget Iran Barkley

[Lobotomy]

Surely the fact that neither you or anyone else on here has ever seen Greb actually fight, should factor into the equation? Or at the very least not lead you to the conclusion that Greb is the definite victor here? And don't forget Iran BarkleyThat brings up something I've wondered about from time to time. While the assumption may safely be made that nobody here ever saw him fight live, perhaps there are still some around who have seen movie house newsreel footage of Harry in competition, just as there are those who have seen silent film performances which are now considered to be "lost."

[ChrisPontius]

Surely the fact that neither you or anyone else on here has ever seen Greb actually fight, should factor into the equation? Or at the very least not lead you to the conclusion that Greb is the definate victor here? And dont forget Iran Barkley

But we have seen Tunney fight, whom Greb beat twice. And he looks great. And what about Barkley? He was no more than a decent middleweight and Duran barely got past him. This matchup is not really fair. Greb is too big, too strong, too powerful. Duran had no legs @ 160lbs.

[Abdullah]

GREB UD. Come on, I love Roberto, but Greb was a better middleweight than Duran. Actually, he was a better fighter, period. Greb wasn't a KO guy, but he would win a decisive decision.

[Maxmomer]

Greb would beat the hell out of him.

[Abdullah]

Duran has no hope of intimidating Greb as he got inside SRL's head before Montreal. Harry was utterly fearless. Additionally, Greb could take it downstairs, and typically had to. He could move in and out for 15 rounds, and finish strongly. Roberto is not matching hand and foot speed here. It's like Harry declared before Walker. Duran couldn't knock him out, and Greb would not try to knock El Cholo out. There would be no question in anybody's mind about who the winner was after 15. Even the Panamanian press would have declared Harry the victor here.

This.

[Pachilles]

Italian? Keep embarrassing yourself kid.

Sicilian mafia, get it right, and let your Duran obsession die now.

Oh right the Sicily that isn't in the Italian Republic and isn't inhabited by italians, okay.

And what is wrong with you guys??? I'm actually curious to who you'd pick. Duran is often matched up against 154lbers and 160lbers in poll threads. Why cant you analyse this one???

[teeto]

Oh right the Sicily that isn't in the Italian Republic and isn't inhabited by italians, okay.

And what is wrong with you guys??? I'm actually curious to who you'd pick. Duran is often matched up against 154lbers and 160lbers in poll threads. Why cant you analyse this one???
Don't make me get into the intricacies (spellcheck) of why it is wrong to label them the 'Italian Mafia', you will lose.

Anyway, i wouldn't even mind discussing it, going off accounts of Greb's fighting style etc etc, but i know you're trolling. Notice my earlier responses.

[Meast]

Oh right the Sicily that isn't in the Italian Republic and isn't inhabited by italians, okay.


Don't be stupid, the Italian and Sicilian mafia are completely different, if your gonna make statements like this then at least know what your talking about.

Back on topic, Greb would beat Duran.

[Abdullah]

Duran KO's him Davey Moore style. It's a no contest!

:patsch
This may very well be the dumbest post that I have ever read. Congradulations on that, I guess. Have you ever seen Greb's record. He was stopped twice in around 300 fights. Once in his 7th pro fight, which he avenged and once because of a broken arm. He finished the round to by the way. He also fought again about two months later. Greb was one of the toughest, fastest, most determined, most fearless fighters of all time. I know the same can be said about Manos de Piedra, but Greb is levels higher, in my opinion.

[EleventhHour]

How on Earth did this devolve into talking about Mafia distinctions?

In any case, Greb.

[Meast]

How on Earth did this devolve into talking about Mafia distinctions?



When Pachilles starts a thread anything can happen :lol:

[Pachilles]

Don't make me get into the intricacies (spellcheck) of why it is wrong to label them the 'Italian Mafia', you will lose.

Anyway, i wouldn't even mind discussing it, going off accounts of Greb's fighting style etc etc, but i know you're trolling. Notice my earlier responses.

I am honestly not trolling. You are right in thinking that i dont rate Duran anywhere above LW and that i dont consider Greb because i havent seen him fight.

But...Duran is held in high regard @160lbs by some posters and if often matched up against them. Some people may consider modern greats to be somewhat superior, negating the prime weight issue or atleast making it interesting. These are the two most highly regarded fighters on this board, and i am generally curious to see opinions on this.

[lora]

Duran isn't usually matched up against Great middleweights, at least not by the non-simpletons.

[teeto]

I am honestly not trolling. You are right in thinking that i dont rate Duran anywhere above LW and that i dont consider Greb because i havent seen him fight.

But...Duran is held in high regard @160lbs by some posters and if often matched up against them. Some people may consider modern greats to be somewhat superior, negating the prime weight issue or atleast making it interesting. These are the two most highly regarded fighters on this board, and i am generally curious to see opinions on this.
Well okay then, Greb. It's only right to say he wins it if nothing else.

Now what happens in Robinson-Pacquiao? (only kidding)

[Stonehands89]

It would resemble Greb-Walker, with Duran having moments early and mid-way through due to his sophistication inside and his power, but Greb's pace was a killing one. Hagler wore him out after about 13 and he spent the night fighting with more implied aggression than aggression. Barkley forced an inspired Duran to dig very deep to grab a third wind, but Greb could be counted on to wear Duran out. He may even toy with him at the end.

[SLAKKA]

This thing about no greb film always winds up a dimwits delight
howzabout????
When i asked harry's ex corner-man nate liff how harry would do vs lamotta nate laughed himself silly. Would roberto do any better?

[itrymariti]

Duran has no hope of intimidating Greb as he got inside SRL's head before Montreal.

Yes, because mind games are the only reason Duran won.

[Pachilles]

This thing about no greb film always winds up a dimwits delight
howzabout????
When i asked harry's ex corner-man nate liff how harry would do vs lamotta nate laughed himself silly. Would roberto do any better?

man, you never met no nate liff

[Bill Butcher]

Who wins and why?

Ive never seen Harry Greb fight but lets put it this way.... I wouldnt bet on Duran.

[teeto]

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[AlFrancis]

Greb by unanimous decision. An all time great middle against an all time great lightweight who had success at the higher weights. Duran's skill set makes it interesting though.

[he grant]

Greb would easily defeat him by decision ..

[SLAKKA]

man, you never met no nate liff


No?
Where did you dream up I never met Nate Liff?

[bodhi]

Is this even a fair fight?

Yea, pretty clear Duran wins that one. He KOs Greb with the first punch he throws, even when he misses. :hey

[Pachilles]

No?
Where did you dream up I never met Nate Liff?

why lie to make friends?

[Lobotomy]

Yes, because mind games are the only reason Duran won.Of course not. He beat down DeJesus twice without resorting to these tactics, and he obviously wasn't using smoke and mirrors when he dropped Barkley. He was brilliant at them though, disarming Palomino off balance by cordially asking for an autograph for his son, and we all know about the "Puta!" salute to Juanita Leonard. He was able to feint both into knots because of his punching effectiveness, and that's certainly an element of mind games. (Duran was actually very relaxed for Palomino, smiling broadly at the weigh-in while Carlos was on the scales, and grinning wolfishly when knotting up Palomino with his feints, not always burning with white hot intensity in that situation, one of his career finest.)

El Cholo could be somewhat diminished when he failed to intimidate, as the Viruet boys demonstrated.

Harry wouldn't bother trying trench warfare with the smaller Duran as SRL did in Montreal, but simply stick true to his usual initiatory formula of bouncing in and out volume, volume and more volume, complete with a healthy swarming assortment of stray thumbs, heels, laces, slaps, cuffs, backhands, elbows, head butts, shoulders, and whatever other incidental contact the referee might be too slow to discern.

Greb might also be flying around the ring like Fernandez did, only Roberto's body attack wouldn't dent Harry the way it packed up Vilomar's tent.

What happens when Duran thumbs his eye, as he did to Davey Moore, or punches him in the nuts, like he did to Buchanan? Ask Kid Norfolk! In this one, El Cholo is clearly the second baddest ass in the ring. (He'd be the third baddest if Dempsey refereed this thing. Jack would be my first choice to officiate this street fight. Anarchy rules!)

[SLAKKA]

why lie to make friends?

You wanna put some money on it?

[djanders]

That brings up something I've wondered about from time to time. While the assumption may safely be made that nobody here ever saw him fight live, perhaps there are still some around who have seen movie house newsreel footage of Harry in competition, just as there are those who have seen silent film performances which are now considered to be "lost."

:hat

[Pachilles]

You wanna put some money on it?

yeah okay, bra

[SLAKKA]

why lie to make friends?yeah okay, bra

Is that a yes or a no?
Any 3 parties wanna move this thing forward?

[Pachilles]

Is that a yes or a no?
Any 3 parties wanna move this thing forward?

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what are we betting? how are you going to prove it?

[SLAKKA]

I gotta thousand bucks that sez me and Nate were pals, i got us on tape!

Hows that buddy boy?

[SLAKKA]

u wanna make it more???

[Pachilles]

I gotta thousand bucks that sez me and Nate were pals, i got us on tape!

Hows that buddy boy?

arrrrrrgh! you lie!

[SLAKKA]

Lets go dirtbag
How much u wanna bet?

[Pachilles]

Lets go dirtbag
How much u wanna bet?

Bring it bitch im 6 feet tall.

$600

[SLAKKA]

1000.oo
dont be a pussy!! i know thats asking allot

[Pachilles]

1000.oo
dont be a pussy!! i know thats asking allot

who you calling a pussy, bitch? i'll knock you off the god damn earth

$1000 it is. Now show me the proof?

[SLAKKA]

lets get us a bet holder!

[Pachilles]

lets get us a bet holder!

is you on crack?

[SLAKKA]

is you on crack?
lookin to pussy out?

[Pachilles]

lookin to pussy out?

you wish, cream puff

[SLAKKA]

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[Pachilles]

please tell me u live in nyc
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[SLAKKA]

les of nyc
maybe you should reconsider all the provoking

[Pachilles]

les of nyc
maybe you should reconsider all the provoking

ill be coming to collect my $1000 if you dont hurry up with the proof, papi

[SLAKKA]

So glad to wake up to a new day and yet another new dirtbag in my life provoking the
----t out of me.

[Pachilles]

So glad to wake up to a new day and yet another new dirtbag in my life provoking the
----t out of me.

what is the matter with you? you come across really strange

[SLAKKA]

what is the matter with you? you come across really strange

u come across as really unemployed

[teeto]

:lol::lol:

[SLAKKA]

:lol::lol:

thank you
bowing bowing

[teeto]

thank you
bowing bowing
Encore

[SLAKKA]

Encore

aw shucks!
ok
bowing

[Meast]

what is the matter with you? you come across really strange

Stop being a little nuisance Pachilles.

[SLAKKA]

Stop being a little nuisance Pachilles.
thank you

feels llike a groundswell