The nerve of Barerra....

[markbrooklyn]

The nerve of this guy to raise his hand and flex his muscles at the end of the fight when his ass just fought to survive for 12 rounds.. What a waste of 50 bucks!! He should of put his head down in shame and left the ring, What a ripoff :twisted:

[Danny Ocean]

your an idiot

[markbrooklyn]

You're the idiot you douchebag

[Icky Monker]

I thought Barrera won the fight

[MagnaNasakki]

Marco just gave a great performance against a fighter who annhilated him once before.

He showed more balls stepping into that ring than most of us, including you, have ever shown, ever.

Respect the man, dont hate. He's a legend.

[kg0208]

Barrera fought to survive. I think if he had tried harder though, Pacman would have stopped him. His punches, when he did land, were ineffective and seemingly only made Pacman angry.

It's not disrespectful to call a spade a spade either. He showed balls taking the fight knowing what he knew, but he didn't fight a Barrera type fight.

[PATSYS]

The nerve of this guy to raise his hand and flex his muscles at the end of the fight when his ass just fought to survive for 12 rounds.. What a waste of 50 bucks!! He should of put his head down in shame and left the ring, What a ripoff :twisted:

He has the right to celebrate - he was not koed!!!

[markbrooklyn]

Marco just gave a great performance against a fighter who annhilated him once before.

He showed more balls stepping into that ring than most of us, including you, have ever shown, ever.

Respect the man, dont hate. He's a legend.

Thats good for him for having balls and gettin paid millions of dollars to fight, And why do you say including me? I'm a fan writing on a boxing forum you dumb ass I never said i was a boxer. And I'm not gonna respect someone that took my 50 dollars when all he planned on doing was surviving for 12 rounds instead of getting knocked out.

[BlueApollo]

Marco just gave a great performance against a fighter who annhilated him once before.

He showed more balls stepping into that ring than most of us, including you, have ever shown, ever.

Respect the man, dont hate. He's a legend.

Marco didn't "fight to survive", but he sure didn't take many risks either. The few exchanges there were proved why he didn't.

No shame to retire off of this bout.

[Guitarman]

I can't wait to actually see this fight. I wish I had went to my pops to watch it.

It sounds like Barrera started off really well boxing PAC

[kg0208]

Pacquiao didnt look fantastic himself. he looked beatable.

He looked more beatable than usual, but that may have been because of the style and pace of the fight. He still exploded. But I still don't believe he has the power he had in the weight class below.

[Goose]

Barrera survived, props to him for that.
Now its time to retire, he did well for the sport over the years

[KobeIsGod]

i have no problem with it. he has been a great fighter and probably knew it was his last fight. he fought as well as anyone could expect. but i was quite disappointed in manny. just seemed to lack the killer instinct.

[WhataRock]

Though I havent seen the fight yet, surely people realise that was the only way MAB was going to win the fight??

If he traded with Pac he would have been ko'ed again.

I aint suprised he took this approach, Barerra has shown he is far from a pussy throughout his career.

[China_hand_Joe]

Tonight has opened up a space amongst the top 2 P4P fighters.

[rustyj]

i recall somebody once said, 'to fight pacquiao you have got to have guts, but to fight him twice, you have got to be crazy'.

[MagnaNasakki]

Thats good for him for having balls and gettin paid millions of dollars to fight, And why do you say including me? I'm a fan writing on a boxing forum you dumb ass I never said i was a boxer. And I'm not gonna respect someone that took my 50 dollars when all he planned on doing was surviving for 12 rounds instead of getting knocked out.

Its a sport, son. Mans gonna try to win, not make you feel better about your fifty bucks. He tried. He even did well. If he played balls to the wall, he'd have been hurt.

[Carlos Primera]

barrera fought smartly. i dont blame him for not wanting to turn it into a gun fight, he could have gotten ko'ed again.

[josak]

I agree with the t/c. Barrera put on a very lackluster performance, and I dunno why you guys are defending him. He basically ran the whole time and refused to engage Pacqauio at any point in the fight. I can understand why he wouldn't want to get hit, but that's boxing -- you gotta take risks, and sometimes that means taking some to give some.

[markbrooklyn]

Its a sport, son. Mans gonna try to win, not make you feel better about your fifty bucks. He tried. He even did well. If he played balls to the wall, he'd have been hurt.

Cmon he didn't try to win at all. He was content in jabbing and staying away. It was like watching Taver vs Jones 3.

[markbrooklyn]

I agree with the t/c. Barrera put on a very lackluster performance, and I dunno why you guys are defending him. He basically ran the whole time and refused to engage Pacqauio at any point in the fight. I can understand why he wouldn't want to get hit, but that's boxing -- you gotta take risks, and sometimes that means taking some to give some.

Thank you at least someone was watching the same fight as me! :good

[Boom_Boom]

barrera fought smartly. i dont blame him for not wanting to turn it into a gun fight, he could have gotten ko'ed again.

Barrera fought the only fight he could against Pacquiao, it wasnt enough but he did fought smart.

[JV28]

If Barrera fought Pac toe to toe the whole time, he would have been like in rd 11 where he was seriously hurt, but at a much earlier point in the fight. I don't blame him for wanting to fight that way, Pac is always dangerous no matter what. With that said, Pac wasn't entirely at his best tonight, but he did what he had to. I was seeing him breathing very heavily in between rounds, and I think he had difficulty making weight. Anyone think he should consider moving up to 135?

[markbrooklyn]

If Barrera fought Pac toe to toe the whole time, he would have been like in rd 11 where he was seriously hurt, but at a much earlier point in the fight. I don't blame him for wanting to fight that way, Pac is always dangerous no matter what. With that said, Pac wasn't entirely at his best tonight, but he did what he had to. I was seeing him breathing very heavily in between rounds, and I think he had difficulty making weight. Anyone think he should consider moving up to 135?

Nobody is saying he should of fought toe to toe with pac all night but cmon at least engage every now and then.. He was just jab and move jab and move. It was horrible.. And thats what im talking about.. Pac wasnt even at his best and Barerra was content on just surviving for 12 rounds.. If he moves up to 135 hes in big trouble.

[bulakenyo]

Manny won, Pac fans should be happy.

But maybe we should give proper respect to Barrera and his legacy as a fighter.

Tahnk you, MAB. From all boxing fans all over the world.

[TRUEBELIEVER 66]

I am glad Barrera LOST! he is a sore loser, and i only wished Manny would have KO'D him, oh well this was Barreras last fight:hi:

[smokey]

Pacquiao didnt look fantastic himself. he looked beatable.


I think Pac probably took him lightly. He is a rockstar and Jesus all rolled together in the Philipines. I'm sure it's easy to lose focus when you're facing a guy you TKO'ed before in a dominant performance.

[gatto]

who didn't see this coming?...maybe those who bought into the prefight hype that hbo creates to get boxing fans to buy the ppv.

[gatto]

delete.

[Clearly Cool]

If you look at Barreras physical condition compared to Pacs, he faught a great fight.

Pac is faster, more powerful, has more stamina and better reflexes than Barrera, but he didn't look good in this fight.

I was worried MAB was going to get owned, lets face it, he is on his last legs and has given the sport so many great fights it just wouldnt be right for him to be KO'd.

He used his ring experience and smarts to last the 12 rounds and give manny a respectable fight. If he faught like he used to he would have been destroyed and people would be ripping the shit out of him for being beaten so easily.

Good on Barrera and lets hope he retires.

[dodong]

i recall somebody once said, 'to fight pacquiao you have got to have guts, but to fight him twice, you have got to be crazy'.

... you fight him 3 times, you're Erik Morales!

[Still~style]

dude are you disrespecting barerra in his last fight? this guy is a legend and you shit on him cus you wasted your money.

[knockout]

barrera fought smartly. i dont blame him for not wanting to turn it into a gun fight, he could have gotten ko'ed again. smart move by Barrera,saving himself from more embresment.

[MagnaNasakki]

I find it funny people are shitting on a legend.

If Manny retired tonight too, Barrera would historically be the better fighter. Remember that, his legacy is tremendous, he's a first ballot hall of famer, he engaged the shit outta Erik Morales, imo tapping that ass 3 times in 3 entertaining fights, schooled Hamed, gave us a great fight against Juarez the first time and Marquez.

Honestly, you all sound like bitter children.

[maciek4]

I was dissapointed in Barrera as well. He fought well but it did look like he fought to give a good account of himself and not to win, he should have given his all in the last two rounds and he did nothing.

[Amsterdam]

I find it funny people are shitting on a legend.

If Manny retired tonight too, Barrera would historically be the better fighter. Remember that, his legacy is tremendous, he's a first ballot hall of famer, he engaged the shit outta Erik Morales, imo tapping that ass 3 times in 3 entertaining fights, schooled Hamed, gave us a great fight against Juarez the first time and Marquez.

Honestly, you all sound like bitter children.

I agree with all of this, except for the line I highlighted. I am not sure he'd be regarded as the better fighter, it's debatable.

I'd like Manny to get in the ring with Guzman as I feel Guzman would defeat him, this would definitley sort out the Pacquaio stance a bit more so. I feel Manny would beat JMM at this point and the others at 130, but for some reason Guzman just strikes me as the one to beat him.

I am also afraid that Soto is a bad style for Guzman, we'll have to see how that fight plays out.

[Cruiser1]

He's still a legend as far as I'm concerned. I didn't get the PPV but it doesn't change my opinion of him. He's also been fighting for damn near 18 years. To say he's got wear and tear would be an understatement. Stupid thread. Barrera's a man's man.

[retriever]

MAB run like a bitch tonight. he just fought to survive and played a dirty game then he gave his usual excuses why he loss the fight. he's still a legend though.

[knockout]

MAB run like a bitch tonight. he just fought to survive and played a dirty game then he gave his usual excuses why he loss the fight. he's still a legend though.Did'nt Marco said "Win,lose,draw no excuses":yep

[divac]

I was dissapointed in Barrera as well. He fought well but it did look like he fought to give a good account of himself and not to win, he should have given his all in the last two rounds and he did nothing.

I agree. Barrera fought competitively for 6 rounds.
I had the fight even at three rounds a piece after 6 rounds......but as most would have predicted, Barrera lost steam, was non-competitive, and just plain fought to cross the finish line.
I had Barrera losing the last 6 rounds.

I wish I could say that I respected Barrera's effort, but I did'nt.
Barrera was clearly behind going into the final rounds, and he did'nt give the effort to win any of them.

Somebody mentioned earlier about this fight being similar to Jones being happy to just go the distance vs Tarver in the third fight.....and thats exaclty what it is.
It came from Barrera's mouth himself, he said, "I proved the experts wrong who said I would get blown out by Pacquiao."

I'm not going to put to much weight on Barrera's survival tactics in the twighlight of his career, but I'm used to seeing great fighters fight to win.
I much would have respected Marco putting fourth a better effort, having gotten busted up, and retiring on his stool.....at least in that situation, you know you laid it on the line but could feel content with the effort despite coming up short.

No question about it, Barrera did'nt earn his money tonight, he did'nt put fourth a full effort!

[retriever]

I agree. Barrera fought competitively for 6 rounds.
I had the fight even at three rounds a piece after 6 rounds......but as most would have predicted, Barrera lost steam, was non-competitive, and just plain fought to cross the finish line.
I had Barrera losing the last 6 rounds.

I wish I could say that I respected Barrera's effort, but I did'nt.
Barrera was clearly behind going into the final rounds, and he did'nt give the effort to win any of them.

Somebody mentioned earlier about this fight being similar to Jones being happy to just go the distance vs Tarver in the third fight.....and thats exaclty what it is.
It came from Barrera's mouth himself, he said, "I proved the experts wrong who said I would get blown out by Pacquiao."

I'm not going to put to much weight on Barrera's survival tactics in the twighlight of his career, but I'm used to seeing great fighters fight to win.
I much would have respected Marco putting fourth a better effort, having gotten busted up, and retiring on his stool.....at least in that situation, you know you laid it on the line but could feel content with the effort despite coming up short.

No question about it, Barrera did'nt earn his money tonight, he did'nt put fourth a full effort!

:good :thumbsup :good

[bill poster]

Barrera got his retirement fund, didnt get knocked out, did the max what a 33 yr old could do.

[Sister Sledge]

People should not forget that Marco was in the fight until he began to tire. He just doesn't have the steam anymore to compete for 12 rounds with a guy like Manny. He still fought back, but why would anyone boxer try to outslug a slugger. That is just plain stupid and guys on this website are stupid to be upset because MAB didn't try to slug it out with Pac. That like asking Ali to slug it out with Tyson. Who do you think would win this. Give the guy a fucking break. He's past his prime and on the way out.

[bachatu]

I commented on him being a sore looser before this fight, especially after he lost to Juan Manuel Marquez. The fact that he denied hitting JMM while his glove was on the canvas and made up some lie and then said he clearly won the fight that he was shocked. Never gives credit to anyone. No surprise why Erik Morales can't stand him.

[hitman_hatton1]

Barerra fought to survive.
tried to steal the fight.
what a disapointing fight after high expectation.
(no fault of Paqiaou tho).

barrera even admitted as much in the interview i saw with mario lopez.

"everyone thought i'd get taken out in 4, 5 and 6 rds and i showed i could survive" :yep

time for marco to hang em up.

it's not been a bad career has it. :good

[Spit Bucket]

... you fight him 3 times, you're Erik Morales!

...cant help but laugh at this :good...there mustve been sumthin wrong w/ erik for wanting to fight pac the third time around

...and cmon guys stop all this hating on BOTH fighters lets just move on :bbb

[TRUEBELIEVER 66]

I commented on him being a sore looser before this fight, especially after he lost to Juan Manuel Marquez. The fact that he denied hitting JMM while his glove was on the canvas and made up some lie and then said he clearly won the fight that he was shocked. Never gives credit to anyone. No surprise why Erik Morales can't stand him.
Marco always has an excuse for something:deal in 2003, he was distracted because the media was all over him about the plate in his head, that's why he lost to Pac then, then he lost to Marquez and said the Ref made to many bad calls, it's alway's something with this guy, i can't stand fighters' that always make excuses for a loss, Assholes:-(

[jecxbox]

Fuck Barrera, he went out like a chump..He doesn't have the balls and pride that Morales has to go out like a warrior on his shield, Barrera is an arrogant prick, and I hope it eats him up alive that Morales was able to beat Pacquiao but he never could!..Morales showed his people and country who's the one with the balls and pride to go out like a f'n warrior.

[Manjanek]

Pacquiao didnt look fantastic himself. he looked beatable.
I agree. Pacquiao really showed that he is slipping. He looked so vulnerable in some spots.

It is not a surprise that Pac won. It was what was expected. However, it was expected he was going to KO MAB faster than last time. MAB has been in more wars than PAC. He has almost 20 more fights. It really opens the door to some questions. If BArrera fought like this and Pac like he did the first time they got together- WOuld Pac have won? I don't think so.

Pac didn't finish a fighter who he SHOULD have had the firepower to do so considering he is #2 pfp.

I don't say good win for Pac. I say good loss for Barerra. HOF, Baby Faced Assassin.

[Spitfire7]

...at least Barrera should have tried to go out in a blaze of glory, he owed it to the fans, and mostly to the legacy that he had himself superbly set...

That's why Erik will always be the true and perrenial Aztec.

[blackstrider]

we watched the fight via delayed telecast on tv here in the phils.and I was pissed off of commercials.they lasted 6-8 mins in between rounds. longer than a two round fight. I was not surprised why the fights went 12 rounds. Pac will gather his shares in TV commercials in phils. I saw he tried to knock Barrera starting the 11th but failed to do coz barrera wont engage. :bart

[gutto]

wtf what did you expect from mab hes not going to stand and trade with pac. When has a fighter ever thought fuck the game plan this what pacs fans want. Mab imo gave a good account of himself and was more than a hand full for pac. For me he showed the blue print of how to beat pac for a younger fighter.why all the hating

[huki]

Barrera was a proven legend before this fight and this loss does not put his legacy down in any way. If anything, he showed that if he was closer to his prime he would beat Pacquiao.. but nevermind that, I don't want to start arguments in here.

These idiots disrespecting Barrera are just morons who are ignorant and know nothing about what he has accomplished. He had an unbelievably long run at the elite level of competition and if there are fighters in the future that will go on to give 25% of what he gave to the sport I will be very happy.

Yesterday, I saw that he couldn't pull off a miracle win after the first few rounds and it was just sad to finally see that this was the last time Barrera will fight at the top level. One thing that pissed me off a little bit during the match was when his brother/trainer was telling him that he was winning every round. I understand that he wanted to make him feel confident, but I think it also contributed to Barrera doing less. I admit I was a little disappointed that Barrera didn't go all-out in the last 2 rounds like I thought he might and he didn't fight with the same conviction as in the JMM match, but I'm not at all disappointed in him because of what he has given over all the years. He looked damn good considering the battles he's been in, but he looked old. I was worried about him brawling in the later rounds and getting destroyed, so I'm glad he at least didn't get too hurt.

...at least Barrera should have tried to go out in a blaze of glory, he owed it to the fans, and mostly to the legacy that he had himself superbly set...

That's why Erik will always be the true and perrenial Aztec.
Morales in the 3rd Pac fight went out much worse than Barrera did, even when you think about it just looking at toughness. Morales looking at his dad in the corner and shaking his head saying he doesn't want to get up is not more "Atzec-like" than showing good boxing skills and exchanging punches in moments during a 12 round fight. It's not like Barrera was running. Either way, both guys are on the same level when it comes to being warriors. This loss does not affect Barrera's legacy or historical reputation in a negative way at all.

[bigtime9]

Pacquiao didnt look fantastic himself. he looked beatable.



newsflash pac has 3 losses and 2 draws he has already been beaten:nut

[huki]

I agree with all of this, except for the line I highlighted. I am not sure he'd be regarded as the better fighter, it's debatable.

I'd like Manny to get in the ring with Guzman as I feel Guzman would defeat him, this would definitley sort out the Pacquaio stance a bit more so. I feel Manny would beat JMM at this point and the others at 130, but for some reason Guzman just strikes me as the one to beat him.

I am also afraid that Soto is a bad style for Guzman, we'll have to see how that fight plays out.
I know you're a big fan of JMM so I'm a little surprised you think Pac would beat him. Do you think he is just too past-his-prime to beat the Pacquiao who has improved since 2004? That's the only logic I see. I think if there was a rematch immediately after the first fight, Marquez would dominate him. If they fight next year, it will be a very close fight, but I would still favor Marquez slightly. Barrera could have beaten Pac yesterday if he just threw a lot more punches / had more stamina and I think Marquez is much less faded than Barrera right now. Plus, his style is a little better than Barrera's when it comes to fighting someone like Manny.

[MagnaNasakki]

Barrera was a proven legend before this fight and this loss does not put his legacy down in any way. If anything, he showed that if he was closer to his prime he would beat Pacquiao.. but nevermind that, I don't want to start arguments in here.

These idiots disrespecting Barrera are just morons who are ignorant and know nothing about what he has accomplished. He had an unbelievably long run at the elite level of competition and if there are fighters in the future that will go on to give 25% of what he gave to the sport I will be very happy.

Yesterday, I saw that he couldn't pull off a miracle win after the first few rounds and it was just sad to finally see that this was the last time Barrera will fight at the top level. One thing that pissed me off a little bit during the match was when his brother/trainer was telling him that he was winning every round. I understand that he wanted to make him feel confident, but I think it also contributed to Barrera doing less. I admit I was a little disappointed that Barrera didn't go all-out in the last 2 rounds like I thought he might and he didn't fight with the same conviction as in the JMM match, but I'm not at all disappointed in him because of what he has given over all the years. He looked damn good considering the battles he's been in, but he looked old. I was worried about him brawling in the later rounds and getting destroyed, so I'm glad he at least didn't get too hurt.


Morales in the 3rd Pac fight went out much worse than Barrera did, even when you think about it just looking at toughness. Morales looking at his dad in the corner and shaking his head saying he doesn't want to get up is not more "Atzec-like" than showing good boxing skills and exchanging punches in moments during a 12 round fight. It's not like Barrera was running. Either way, both guys are on the same level when it comes to being warriors. This loss does not affect Barrera's legacy or historical reputation in a negative way at all.

I agree. Erik getting owned in three to me was pathetic, not inspiring? The perennial Aztec also quit. Barrera lasted to the 11th under a far worse beating then Erik took in either of his losses to Pac, and went the distance for a decision loss. Erik took some body shots, got slowly beat up then dropped twice, and was just annihilated in the 3rd fight. Erik was better skilled, but I think Barrera was tougher, honestly.