ESB Official Voting Thread -- Post Rankings Here!

[Lampley]

Here we are! After weeks of preparation, it's finally time to conduct voting for the first-ever Official ESB Rankings. Thanks to everyone who nominated posters for the voting committee, and of course thanks tremendously to the voters themselves.

Voters: PLEASE READ THESE INSTRUCTIONS VERY CAREFULLY!

This month's vote is a two-pronged process. First are the votes themselves.

1) To fill out your ballot, please list the fighters in descending order, starting with Pound-for-Pound rankings and then proceeding in descending order. So, it's Pound of Pound, Heavyweight, Cruiserweight, etc.

2) Also, please remember to vote for top 10 for Pound for Pound and all divisions down to Bantamweight (118 pounds). For divisions lower than that, please vote for 5 fighters.

3) You DO NOT have to fill out every slot. Vote for as many divisions and as many fighters as you feel comfortable, but don't feel obligated to fill out all 10 (or 5) for every division.

4) Champions. This is important, and unique to this month. If you believe there is a Champion for a division, identify that fighter as your Champion and then rank up to 10 top contenders.

5) Format. Please pay very close attention to this one. Scoring this thing is a monster, and I have created a spreadsheet that will help ONLY if everyone follows directions. When ranking each division and Pound for Pound (remember that PfP goes first and you move down in weight from there), please stack the fighters on top of each other and do not use any numbers. I'm going to copy and paste your selections.

Here's an example how it should look:

Welterweight:

Fighter A
Fighter B
Fighter C
…..

Please do not use this:

1) Fighter A
2) Fighter B

If you are voting for a Champion, please list it like this:

Welterweight:

Champion -- Fighter F

Fighter L
Fighter M
Fighter M
(and so on up to 10)

Please do not use numbers!!!


Part 2 of this month's vote:

The following individuals have applied for admission into the official voting committee:

emanuel_augustus
Calabrese
BewareofDawg
diamondDave
Tom_Tocca
Brickhaus
Pimp C
Dekkers
Jack Presscot

Please send a simple Yes or No answer to two email address: [Only registered and activated users can see links] (Lampley) and [Only registered and activated users can see links] (kg0208.


Part 3 would be any special issues, but there are none of those this month.



You have through Monday morning at 8:00am United States EST to vote, but obviously after the Saturday fights, you shouldn't need to wait. I'll try to turn the scoring around in a few days.

Thanks! Also, all ESB posters are welcome to offer their feedback and to praise or criticize the various selections. That's part of the fun.

[Lampley]

Must stay on first page!

[Amsterdam]

P4P -

Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquaio
Juan Manuel Marquez
Joe Calzaghe
Israel Vasquez
Ivan Calderon
Cristian Mijares
Miguel Cotto
Chad Dawson
Bernard Hopkins

HW -

Wladimir Klitschko
Ruslan Chagaev
Sultan Ibragimov
Samuel Peter
Oleg Maskaev
Nicolay Valuev
Alexander Povetkin
Eddie Chambers
Tony Thompson
Vladimir Virchis

CW -

Champion: J.M. Mormeck

David Haye
O'Neil Bell
Enzo Macarrinelli
Darnell Wilson
Marco Huck
Steve Cunningham
Vadim Tokarev
Firat Arslan
Matthey Godfrey
Krystof Wlodarzyck

LHW -

Chad Dawson
Zsolt Erdei
Clinton Woods
Bernard Hopkins
Glen Johnson
Adrian Diaconu
Paul Briggs
Stipe Drews
Roy Jones Jr
Danny Green

SMW -

Champion: Joe Calzaghe

Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine
Lucian Bute
Jeff Lacy
Carl Froch
Alejandro Berrio
Librado Andrade
Vitali Tsypko
Sakio Bika
Allan Green

MW -

Champion: Kelly Pavlik

Arthur Abraham
Jermain Taylor
Winky Wright
Edison Miranda
Felix Sturm
Roman Karmazin
Kassim Ouma
Sebastian Sylvester
Mario Natalio Carrera
Raymond Joval

LMW -

Sergiy Dzinziruk
Joachim Alcine
Oscar De La Hoya
Travis Simms
Vernon Forrest
Ike Quartey
Daniel Santos
Sechew Powell
Verno Phillips
Joel Julio

WW -

Champion: Floyd Mayweather

Miguel Cotto
Shane Mosely
Paul Williams
Kermit Cintron
Antonio Margarito
Luis Collazo
Joshua Clottey
Andre Berto
Zab Judah
Isaac Hlatschwayo

LWW -

Champion: Ricky Hatton

Junior Witter
Paulie Malignaggi
Ricardo Toores
Andres Kotelnik
Gavin Rees
Hermann Ngoudjo
Kendall Holt
Vivian Harris
Jose Luis Castillo

LW -

Joel Casamayor
Juan Diaz
Julio Diaz
Nate Campbell
Zahir Raheem
David Diaz
Michael Katsidis
Almazbek Raiymkulov
Yuri Romanov
Acelino Freitas

SFW(130):

Manny Pacquaio
Juan Manuel Marquez
Joan Guzman
Humberto Soto
Jorge Rodrigo Barrios
Marco Antonio Barrera
Edwin Valero
Alex Arthur
Mzonke Fana
Manuel Medina

....................................................

I'll finish the rest tomarrow, wanted to post these in case I get busy.

[Zakman]

Here it is guy - I adjusted it to your requested format, and made a couple of changes

Boxing Ratings - 10/7/07

Pound for Pound
Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez
Bernard Hopkins
Israel Vasquez
Joe Calzaghe
Winky Wright
Ricky Hatton
Rafael Marquez
Kelly Pavlik


Heavyweight
Wlad Klitschko
Ruslan Chagaev
Sam Peter
Oleg Maskaev
Sultan Ibragimov
Nicolai Valuev
Tony Thompson
Shannon Briggs
Vladimir Virchis
Oliver McCall


Cruiserweight
Jean-Marc Mormeck
ONeill Bell
Steve Cunningham
David Haye
Enzo Maccarinelli
Guillermo Jones
Krystoff Wlodarczyk
Darnell Wilson
Marco Huck
Tomacz Adamek


Light-Heavyweight
Bernard Hopkins
Zsolt Erdei
Chad Dawson
Antonio Tarver
Clinton Woods
Glen Johnson
Adrian Diaconnu
Paul Briggs
Stipe Drews
Roy Jones


Super Middleweight
Joe Calzaghe
Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine
Jeff Lacy
Lucien Bute
Librado Andrade
Alan Green
Carl Froch
Sakio Bika
Denis Inklin


Middleweight
Kelly Pavlik
Arthur Abraham
Winky Wright
Jermain Taylor
Edison Miranda
Felix Sturm
Javier Castellejo
Sebastian Sylvester
Roman Karmazin
Mariano Carrera


Junior Middleweight
Cory Spinks
Vernon Forrest
Oscar De La Hoya
Kassim Ouma
Joachim Alcine
Sergiy Dzinziruk
Travis Simms
Sergio Martinez
Ike Quartey
Ricardo Mayorga


Welterweight
Floyd Mayweather
Migel Cotto
Paul Williams
Kermit Cintron
Antonio Margarito
Shane Mosley
Andre Berto
Zab Judah
Luis Collazo
Alfonzo Gomez


Junior Welterweight
Rickey Hatton
Junior Witter
Paulie Malignaggi
Ricardo Torres
Vivian Harris
Jose Luis Castillo
Demetrius Hopkins
Gavin Rees
Kendall Holt
Juan Lascano


Lightweight
Joel Cassamayor
Juan Diaz
Julio Diaz
David Diaz
Nate Campbell
Michael Katsidis
Yuri Romanov
Zahir Raheem
Jose Cruz
Almazbek Raiymkulov


Junior Lightweight
Manny Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez
Marco Antonio Barrera
Joan Guzman
Humberto Soto
Jorge Barrios
Edwin Valero
Alex Arthur
Mzonke Fana
Manuel Medina


Featherweight
Chris John
Jorge Linares
Robert Guerrero
Steve Luevano
Rocky Juarez
Jorge Solis
Hector Velasquez
Hiroyuki Enoki
Thomas Mashaba
Oscar Larios


Junior Featherweight
Israel Vazquez
Rafael Marquez
Daniel Ponce de Leon
Steve Molitor
Celestino Caballero
Somsak Sithchatchawa
Mike Oliver
Juan Manuel Lopez
Kiko Martinez
Rey Bautista


Bantamweight
Gerry Penalosa
Jhonny Ghonzales
Wladimir Sidorenko
Hozumi Hasagawa
Joseph Agbeko
Ricardo Cordoba
Luis Perez
Silence Mabuza
Mauricio Martinez
Veeraphol Sahaprom


Junior Bantamweight
Fernando Montiel
Christian Mijares
Martín Castillo
Jorge Arce
Nobou Nashiro
Z. Gorres
Alexander Muñoz
José Navarro


Flyweight
Nonito Donaire
Vic Darchinyan
Takefumi Sakata
Daisuke Naito
P. Wonjongkam
Omar Narváez
Roberto Vázquez
Koki Kameda
Jose Lopez


Junior Flyweight
Ivan Calderon
Ulises Solis
Hugo Cazares
Edgar Sosa
Brian Viloria
Juan C. Reveco
Omar Salado


Strawweight
Eagle Kyowa
Florante Condes
Muhammad Rachman
Yukata Niida
Omar Soto

[Lampley]

Excellent! Good start. And thank you. My life will be much easier this way. It's a lot of information to manage.

[Zakman]

Excellent! Good start. And thank you. My life will be much easier this way. It's a lot of information to manage.

It's nice of you to devote the time to it. The least we can do is put it in a format that makes it convenient for you to work with.

Hope my ratings are at least a reasonable reflection of reality. I tried to research it a bit where I was unsure, to make it as "accurate" as possible.

[kg0208]

Pound For Pound
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Manny Pacquiao
Joe Calzaghe
Juan Manuel Marquez
Israel Vazquez
Ricky Hatton
Rafael Marquez
Ivan Calderon
Chad Dawson
Miguel Cotto

Heavyweights
Wladimir Klitscho
Ruslan Chagaev
Samuel Peter
Sultan Ibragimov
Oleg Maskaev
Nikolay Valuev
Sergei Liakovich
Vladimir Virchris
Tony Thompson
Juan Carlos Gomez

Cruiserweights
Champion: Jean Marc Mormeck

David Haye
O’neill Bell
Steve Cunningham
Enzo Maccarinelli
Krzysztof Wlodarczyk
Vadim Tokarev
Firat Arslan
Darnell Wilson
Johnothan Bell
Marco Huck

Light Heavyweight
Chad Dawson
Clinton Woods
Bernard Hopkins
Zsolt Erdai
Glen Johnson
Antonio Tarver
Paul Briggs
Stripe Drews
Julio Gonzalez
Adrian Diaconu

Super Middleweight
Joe Calzaghe
Mikkel Kessler
Lucien Bute
Anthony Mundine
Marcus Beyer
Carl Froch
Librado Andrade
Jeff Lacy
Edison Miranda
Alan Green

Middleweight
Champion: Kelly Pavlik

Artur Abraham
Jermain Taylor
Winky Wright
Felix Sturm
Javier Castillejo
Sebastian Sylvester
Amin Asikainen
John Duddy
Mariano Carrera
Kassim Ouma

Light Middleweight
Cory Spinks
Roman Karmarzin
Travis Simms
Sergei Dzindziruk
Vernon Forrest
Oscar De La Hoya
Ike Quartey
Joachim Alcine
Sechew Powell
Joel Julio

Welterweight
Champion: Floyd Mayweather

Miguel Cotto
Paul Williams
Shane Mosley
Kermit Cintron
Antonio Margarito
Luis Collazo
Joshua Clottey
Zab Judah
Andre Berto
Oktay Urkal

Light Welterweight
Champion: Ricky Hatton

Junior Witter
Paul Malignaggi
Ricardo Torres
Vivian Harris
Gavin Rees
Souleymane M’Baye
Lovemore Ndou
Demtrius Hopkins
Herman Ngoudjo
Juan Urango

Lightweight
Juan Diaz
Joel Casamayor
Julio Diaz
Michael Katsidis
David Diaz
Nate Cambell
Jose Santa Cruz
Zahir Raheem
Almazbek Raiymkulov
Anthony Peterson

Super Featherweight
Manny Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez
Joan Guzman
Humberto Soto
Edwin Valero
Marco Antonio Barrera
Jorge Barrios
Rocky Juarez
Mzonke Fana
Alex Arthur

Featherweight
Chris John
Injin Chi
Jorge Solis
Roberto Guerrero
Martin Honorio
Naoki Matsuda
Jorge Linares
Martin Honorio
Steven Luevano
Hiroyuki Enoki

Super Bantamweight
Champion: Israel Vasquez

Rafael Marquez
Daniel Ponce de Leon
Celestino Cabalerro
Steve Molitor
Somsak Sithchatchawal
Sergio Manuel Medina
Mike Oliver
Kiko Martinez
Ray Bautista
Poonswat Kratingaenggym

Bantamweight

Hozumi Hasegawa
Silence Mabuza
Gerry Penalosa
Ricardo Cordoba
Wladimir Sidorenko
Jhonny Gonzalez
Joseph Agbeko
Simone Maludrottu
Mauricio Martinez
Luis Perez

Superflyweight

Cristian Mijares
Alexander Munoz
Nobuo Nashiro
Martin Castillo
Fernando Montiel

Flyweights
Nonito Donaire
Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
Vic Darchinyan
Daisuke Naito
Takefumi Sakata

Jr. Flyweight
Champion: Ivan Calderon

Hugo Cazaras
Ulises Solis
Edgar Sosa
Omar Nino
Giovanni Segura

Strawweight
Eagle Kyowa
Florante Condes
Yutaka Niida
Muhammed Rachman
Donnie Nietes

[Lampley]

Three down, 15 to go!

[McGrain]

I've come up short in a couple of divisions - i've tried to avoid rating fighters I haven't seen first hand, but I just haven't had time to track down proper footage of every fighter involved. Anyway, good luck Lamps, here is my effort.


P4P

Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquaio
Juan Manuel Marquez
Ricky Hatton
Joe Calzaghe
Bernard Hopkins
Ivan Calderon
Isreal Vasquez
Miguel Cotto
Winky Wright


Heavyweight

Witali Klitschko
Ruslan Chagaev
Sam Peter
Sultan Ibragimov
Oleg Maskaev
Tony Thompson
Nicolay Valuev
Segei Liakhovich
Evander Hollyfield
Chris Byrd


Cruiserweight

C: Jean-Marc Mormeck
David Haye
O'Neill Bell
Steve Cunningham
Marcko Huck
Darnell Wilson
Enzo Maccarinelli


Light-Heavyweight

C: Bernard Hopkins
Clinton Woods
Glengoffe Johnson
Chad Dawson
Zsolt Erdei
Paul Briggs
Antonio Tarver
Julio Gonzalez
Roy Jones
Stipe Drews


Super Middleweight

C:Joe Calzaghe
Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine
Lucian Bute
Carl Frotch
Librado Andrade
Allan Green
Jeff Lacy
Sakio Bika
Robin Reid


Middleweight

C:Kelly Pavlik
Winky Wright
Arthur Abraham
Jermain Taylor
Felix Sturm
Edison Miranda
Javier Castilleyo
Roman Karmazin
Sebastion Sylvester


Junior Middleweight

Oscar De La Hoya
Cory Spinks
Roman Karmazin
Kassim Ouma
Vernon Forrest
Sergei Dzindziruk
Joachin Alcine
Verno Phillips
Travis Simms
Ike Quartey


Welterweight

C:Floyd Mayweather
Miguel Cotto
Kermit Cintron
Paul Williams
Shane Mosley
Andre Berto
Zab Judah
Antonio Margarito
Luis Collazo
Oktay Urkal


Junior Welterweight

C: Ricky Hatton
Junior Witter
Paul Malignaggi
Ricardo Torres
Gavin Rees
Jose Luis Castillo
Vivian Harris
Souleymane M'Baye
Lovemore Ndou
Kendall Holt


Lightweight

C: Joel Casamayor
Juan Diaz
Julio Diaz
David Diaz
Micheal Kastidis
Nate Campbell
Zahir Raheem
Almazbek Raiymkulov
Jesus Chavez
Amir Khan


Junior Lightweight

Manny Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez
Humberto Soto
Joan Guzman
Marco Antonio Barrera
Jorge Barrios
Alex Arthur
Edwin Vallero
Mzonke Fana


Featherweight

Chris John
Robert Guerrero
Rocky Juarez
Jorge Solis
Injin Chi
Jorge Linares


Junior Featherweight

C: Isreal Varquez
Rafael Marquez
Celestino Caballero
Daniel Ponce
Stephen Molitor
Somsak Sithchatchawal
Poonswat Kratingaenggym


Bantamweight

Hozumi Hasegawa
Joseph Agbeko
Veerapol Sahaprom
Silence Mabazu
Wladimir Sidorenko


Junior Bantemweight

Christian Mijares
Martin Castillo
Alexander Munoz
Fernando Montiel
Z Gorres


Flyweight

Paisuke Naito
Nonito Donnaire
Omar Narvez


Junior Flyweight

C:Ivan Calderon
Ulises Solis
Hugo Cazares


Strawweights

Yutuka Niida
Florante Condes
Donny Nietes


C: = Champion.

[Amsterdam]

I hope CHJ submits his rankings, if he does not, I have an alternative, he has to stay in.:D

[kg0208]

Bump...lets get em in guys, as well as your votes for the committee itself.

[McGrain]

I hope CHJ submits his rankings, if he does not, I have an alternative, he has to stay in.:D

You got your own to finish before you start thinking about anyone else my man! Nice effort so far though.

[Words]

Here's my effort. I left out everything below featherweight coz I don't think I know enough about those division to really comment.


Pound for Pound
Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquiao
Joe Calzaghe
Bernard Hopkins
Ricky Hatton
Winky Wright
Kelly Pavlik
Juan Manuel Marquez
Miguel Cotto
Isreal Vaszquez

Heavyweight - Tragic....
Wlad Klitschko
Sam Peter
Ruslan Chagaev
Sultan Ibragimov
Nicolay Valuev
Oleg Maskaev
Oliver McCall
Tony Thompson
Sergei Lyakovich
Juan Carlos Gomez

Cruiserweight - brutal division
Jean-Marc Mormeck
O'Neill Bell
David Haye
Steve Cunningham
Enzo Maccarinelli
Darnell Wilson
Marco Huck
Krystoff Wlodarczyk
Vadim Tokarev
Matt Godfrey


Light-Heavyweight
Bernard Hopkins
Chad Dawson
Clinton Woods
Zsolt Erdei
Anotonio Tarver
Glen Johnson
Paul Briggs
Danny Green
Roy Jones
Julio Gonzales

Super Middleweight
Joe Calzaghe
Mikkel Kessler
Lucien Bute
Anthony Mundine
Jeff Lacy
Librado Andrade
Carl Froch
Sakio Bika
Denis Inklin
Allan Green

Middleweight
Kelly Pavlik
Winky Wright
Jermain Taylor
Arthur Abraham
Edison Miranda
Felix Sturm
Sebastian Sylvester
Javier Castillo
Roman Karmazin
Wayne Elcock


Junior Middleweight
Cory Spinks
Vernon Forrest
Oscar De La Hoya
Ike Quartey
Kassim Ouma
Joachim Alcine
Sergio Martinez
Ricardo Mayorga
Travis Simms
Jamie Moore


Welterweight - Kickass division
Floyd Mayweather
Miguel Cotto
Shane Mosley
Paul Williams
Kermit Cintron
Antonio Margarito
Andre Berto
Luis Collazo
Zab Judah
Joshua Clottey

Junior Welterweight
Ricky Hatton
Junior Witter
Paulie Malignaggi
Demetrius Hopkins
Ricardo Torres
Herman Ndgoudjo
Vivian Harris
Jose Luis Castillo
Juan Lascano
Juan Urango

Lightweight
Joel Cassamayor
Juan Diaz
Julio Diaz
Zahir Raheem
David Diaz
Michael Katsidis
Nate Campbell
Yuri Romanov
Acelino Freitas
Aldo Rios

Super-Featherweight ....good division
Manny Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez
Humberto Soto
Joan Guzman
Humberto Soto
Jorge Barrios
Alex Arthur
Edwin Valero
Mzonke Fana
Cassius Balyi

Featherweight - looking bit weak, talent exodus I think....
Chris John
Jorge Linares
Rocky Juarez
Robert Guerrero
Steve Luevano
Jorge Solis
Hector Velasquez
Thomas Mashaba
Orlando Solido
Nicky Cook

[Smazz20]

Zakman and KG0208, just to let you know, Bernard Dunne got KTFO against Martinez and yet you included him but not Martinez?

[Words]

HAHahahahaa

sorry

I totally didn't read ANY of this shit til after I posted. Many apologies. Committee? Fuck it have fun with my selections anyway.

[kg0208]

Zakman and KG0208, just to let you know, Bernard Dunne got KTFO against Martinez and yet you included him but not Martinez?

You're right....lower weight classes are harder and I simply overlooked it. I do not know the rules on altering your list before the deadline however. Hopefully others will not make the mistake that I made there. If I can correct it, I will.....

[Big Ears]

HAHahahahaa

sorry

I totally didn't read ANY of this shit til after I posted. Many apologies. Committee? Fuck it have fun with my selections anyway.

It's a good thing too , most of your lists were solid but there are a few things which stand out as bad choices .
*Wayne Elcock making the middleweight top 10
*Sergei Dzinzurik being totally absent from the Light-Middleweight rankings(imo he's #1)
*Jamie Moore being top 10 at Light-Middleweight , although this one isn't too bad as I think Moore is top 15 .
*Raheem being ranked at #4 at Lightweight........far too high .

Also small things like how high Tony Thompson is ranked , Ding being ahead of Huck and Gomez being ranked at Heavy are all things I disagree on but anyway it doesn't really matter as the list doesn't count anyway .

I do like the way you have Sergio Martinez ranked at Light-Middle though , far too many people have him absent .

[Zakman]

You're right....lower weight classes are harder and I simply overlooked it. I do not know the rules on altering your list before the deadline however. Hopefully others will not make the mistake that I made there. If I can correct it, I will.....

Same here. I was unaware of that fight, and don't know what the rules are regarding making changes once you've posted ratings.

If it is permissible, then, I would request to substitute Kiko Martinez for Dunne in my list

I did a fair amount of research on this - but, damn, it's hard to keep up with all the variables! Thanks Smazz20!:good

[McGrain]

I did a fair amount of research on this - but, damn, it's hard to keep up with all the variables!

I found it much more difficult than I thought I would actually.

Ridiculous though it sounds (because Lamps gave plenty of notice) I was caught on the hop a bit. Basically I haven't filled all the slots available on account of the fact that it would mean inserting guys when I wasn't sure about the men in question...

Next time i'm going to open up a few threads about the fighters/divisions i'm not expert on, make it more of a community effort. I think this is preferable to yanking names out of magazines or whatever, which is the other option for filling these slots (in my case).

As for right now, where is everyone?

[kg0208]

I found it much more difficult than I thought I would actually.

Ridiculous though it sounds (because Lamps gave plenty of notice) I was caught on the hop a bit. Basically I haven't filled all the slots available on account of the fact that it would mean inserting guys when I wasn't sure about the men in question...

Next time i'm going to open up a few threads about the fighters/divisions i'm not expert on, make it more of a community effort. I think this is preferable to yanking names out of magazines or whatever, which is the other option for filling these slots (in my case).

As for right now, where is everyone?

I did a ton of research and wow. How many variables are there? I didn't realize how much research went into this. I am hoping I haven't missed much else.

It's a good idea to perhaps ask questions of the forum on fighters and divisions we are unsure of.

[Zakman]

I did a ton of research and wow. How many variables are there? I didn't realize how much research went into this. I am hoping I haven't missed much else.

It's a good idea to perhaps ask questions of the forum on fighters and divisions we are unsure of.

Perhaps, in the future, we could post our ratings in advance and if someone notices some anomaly, like the Dunne thing, then we can make adjustments BEFORE "official" submission.

[McGrain]

Perhaps, in the future, we could post our ratings in advance and if someone notices some anomaly, like the Dunne thing, then we can make adjustments BEFORE "official" submission.


I think this would kind of hurt the "offical" thread, if you see what I mean...I do think that this job is a tough one and posting questions about specific fighters, or starting discussion on a specific division would be a big help.

[kg0208]

Perhaps, in the future, we could post our ratings in advance and if someone notices some anomaly, like the Dunne thing, then we can make adjustments BEFORE "official" submission.

Well, technically, official submission ends tonight. Hopefully Lampley will give us an answer soon.

This is kind of a glaring ommission, so I would think allowing the adjustment would bring more integrity to the process than not allowing it.

[McGrain]

I would think allowing the adjustment would bring more integrity to the process than not allowing it.


I agree.

It's also harder for the guy going first than the guy going second (and so on), so a little breathing space would be welcomed to keep things balanced (and encourage people to post, which is looking like it may be a problem).

I like that people are waiting for Lamps to rule though, it is his show.

[MrStayman]

:happy:happy:happy

Thanks for all the time put into this.

[Axe]

Pound For Pound

Floyd Mayweather Jr
Manny Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez
Israel Vazquez
Ricky Hatton
Bernard Hopkins
Rafael Marquez
Joel Casamayor
Joe Calzaghe
Marco Antonio Barrera


Heavyweights

Wladimir Klitscho
Ruslan Chagaev
Samuel Peter
Sultan Ibragimov
Oleg Maskaev
Nikolay Valuev
Sergei Liakovich
Tony Thompson
Juan Carlos Gomez
Vladimir Virchis

Cruiserweights

Champion: Jean Marc Mormeck

O’neill Bell
Enzo Maccarinelli
David Haye
Steve Cunningham
Krzysztof Wlodarczyk
Vadim Tokarev
Tomasz Adamek
Firat Arslan
Darnell Wilson
Marco Huck

Light Heavyweight

Bernard Hopkins
Chad Dawson
Clinton Woods
Zsolt Erdei
Glen Johnson
Antonio Tarver
Paul Briggs
Stripe Drews
Thomas Ulrich
Adrian Diaconu

Super Middleweight

Champion: Joe Calzaghe

Mikkel Kessler
Jeff Lacy
Anthony Mundine
Marcus Beyer
Carl Froch
Librado Andrade
Lucien Bute
Edison Miranda
Alan Green
Alejandro Berrio

Middleweight

Champion: Kelly Pavlik

Winky Wright
Jermain Taylor
Artur Abraham
Felix Sturm
Javier Castillejo
Sebastian Sylvester
Amin Asikainen
John Duddy
Kassim Ouma
Mariano Carrera

Light Middleweight

Cory Spinks
Roman Karmarzin
Vernon Forrest
Sergei Dzindziruk
Joachim Alcine
Oscar De La Hoya
Ike Quartey
Travis Simms
Sechew Powell
Joel Julio

Welterweight

Champion: Floyd Mayweather

Miguel Cotto
Paul Williams
Shane Mosley
Kermit Cintron
Antonio Margarito
Joshua Clottey
Luis Collazo
Zab Judah
Andre Berto
Oktay Urkal

Light Welterweight

Champion: Ricky Hatton

Junior Witter
Paul Malignaggi
Ricardo Torres
Vivian Harris
Gavin Rees
Souleymane M’Baye
Lovemore Ndou
Herman Ngoudjo
Demtrius Hopkins
Juan Urango

Lightweight

Juan Diaz
Joel Casamayor
Julio Diaz
Michael Katsidis
David Diaz
Nate Cambell
Zahir Raheem
Almazbek Raiymkulov
Anthony Peterson

Super Featherweight

Manny Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez
Joan Guzman
Edwin Valero
Humberto Soto
Marco Antonio Barrera
Jorge Barrios
Rocky Juarez
Mzonke Fana
Alex Arthur

Featherweight

Chris John
Injin Chi
Jorge Solis
Martin Honorio
Naoki Matsuda
Roberto Guerrero
Jorge Linares
Hiroyuki Enoki
Steven Luevano

Super Bantamweight

Champion: Israel Vasquez

Rafael Marquez
Daniel Ponce de Leon
Celestino Cabalerro
Steve Molitor
Somsak Sithchatchawal
Sergio Manuel Medina
Kiko Martinez
Mike Oliver
Poonswat Kratingaenggym
Ray Bautista

Bantamweight

Hozumi Hasegawa
Silence Mabuza
Gerry Penalosa
Ricardo Cordoba
Wladimir Sidorenko
Jhonny Gonzalez
Joseph Agbeko
Simone Maludrottu
Mauricio Martinez
Luis Perez

Superflyweight

Cristian Mijares
Alexander Munoz
Nobuo Nashiro
Martin Castillo
Fernando Montiel

Flyweights

Nonito Donaire
Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
Vic Darchinyan

Jr. Flyweight

Champion: Ivan Calderon

Hugo Cazaras
Ulises Solis
Edgar Sosa
Omar Nino
Giovanni Segura

Strawweight

Eagle Kyowa
Florante Condes
Yutaka Niida
Muhammed Rachman
Donnie Nietes

[Words]

It's a good thing too , most of your lists were solid but there are a few things which stand out as bad choices .
*Wayne Elcock making the middleweight top 10
*Sergei Dzinzurik being totally absent from the Light-Middleweight rankings(imo he's #1)
*Jamie Moore being top 10 at Light-Middleweight , although this one isn't too bad as I think Moore is top 15 .
*Raheem being ranked at #4 at Lightweight........far too high .

Also small things like how high Tony Thompson is ranked , Ding being ahead of Huck and Gomez being ranked at Heavy are all things I disagree on but anyway it doesn't really matter as the list doesn't count anyway .

I do like the way you have Sergio Martinez ranked at Light-Middle though , far too many people have him absent .

Wayne Elcock just beat Howard Eastman, which gives him plenty of credebility in my book. Howard Eastman was once a very good fighter, and a win over him usually shepherds someone into the top 10. But Wayne Elcock, I've seen him plenty of times before and he's never been that good. Probabkly making too much of the Eastman victory, Eastman seems totally shot now. On reflection I take your point there.

I've barely heard of sergei dzizinurek, never seen him fight, but I looked at his record on boxrec, the only guy I'd heard of that he'd beat was Daniel Santos. Boxrec have him 6th but I really dont trust boxrec's rankings at all, they're insane sometimes, so I left him out to be on the safe side. I dont trust German fighters with impressive records who fight in Germany all the time against unknown opponents, I'm very cynical when it comes to them, but if you say this guy is the real deal I stand humbly corrected. You having him no.1 though? Over Vernon Forrest and Oscar De La Hoya?

Jamie Moore is very close to top 10, I put him 10th because I like the guy's guts and exciting style, but he's probably in the 10-15 bracket like you say. 10 isn't exactly bad.

Zahir Raheem gets a high ranking coz he beat an ATG in Erik Morales and I think he did well against Acelino Freitas only losing closely. He's not achieved a great deal but he has a lot of natural talent. 4 too high for you? fair enough difference of opinion. Time will tell.

The heavyweights are just dire. once you get outside the top 5 or 6 there's not a lot of class in the division. Tony Thompson, in a sane world, shouldn't even be anywhere near the top 10, but he's big and consistant and shit, who else is there? Jamell McCline isn't any better than Tony Thompson, but he nearly beat Sam Peter (no.2) and he was out-doing Nicolay Valuev too. Between 5-and 20 in the heavyweights any man could beat any other, there's a lot of ambiguity. There's so many b-level fighters that its hard to make a clear judgement.

Ding gets a higher ranking than Tokarev because even though Tokarev beat him, Ding is on a superb run of victories has improved as a fighter. Marco Huck, he's good, he beat Tokarev and he's got a few other decent names on his record, but the jury is still out him for me. there's not a lot between them all to be honest, cruiserweight is a very competetive division.

Juan Carlos Gomez definitely deserves a top 10 ranking though. Firstly, coz of his performance against McCall, who is deserving of a top 10 place, and because of his pedigree as a cruiserweight champion. He has a lot of talent and class, if/when he gets his shit together he could do very well in the Heavyweight division.


I'll get on this commitee eventually, as my boxing knowledge is vast and detailed to a degree that makes onlookers wonder if I'm a genius or borderline autistic. you shall see.

Cheers for the feedback though, is it ok I mock/critisize the other lists in this thread? To spark debate like.

[Big Ears]

Wayne Elcock just beat Howard Eastman, which gives him plenty of credebility in my book. Howard Eastman was once a very good fighter, and a win over him usually shepherds someone into the top 10. But Wayne Elcock, I've seen him plenty of times before and he's never been that good. Probabkly making too much of the Eastman victory, Eastman seems totally shot now. On reflection I take your point there.

I've barely heard of sergei dzizinurek, never seen him fight, but I looked at his record on boxrec, the only guy I'd heard of that he'd beat was Daniel Santos. Boxrec have him 6th but I really dont trust boxrec's rankings at all, they're insane sometimes, so I left him out to be on the safe side. I dont trust German fighters with impressive records who fight in Germany all the time against unknown opponents, I'm very cynical when it comes to them, but if you say this guy is the real deal I stand humbly corrected. You having him no.1 though? Over Vernon Forrest and Oscar De La Hoya?

Jamie Moore is very close to top 10, I put him 10th because I like the guy's guts and exciting style, but he's probably in the 10-15 bracket like you say. 10 isn't exactly bad.

Zahir Raheem gets a high ranking coz he beat an ATG in Erik Morales and I think he did well against Acelino Freitas only losing closely. He's not achieved a great deal but he has a lot of natural talent. 4 too high for you? fair enough difference of opinion. Time will tell.

The heavyweights are just dire. once you get outside the top 5 or 6 there's not a lot of class in the division. Tony Thompson, in a sane world, shouldn't even be anywhere near the top 10, but he's big and consistant and shit, who else is there? Jamell McCline isn't any better than Tony Thompson, but he nearly beat Sam Peter (no.2) and he was out-doing Nicolay Valuev too. Between 5-and 20 in the heavyweights any man could beat any other, there's a lot of ambiguity. There's so many b-level fighters that its hard to make a clear judgement.

Ding gets a higher ranking than Tokarev because even though Tokarev beat him, Ding is on a superb run of victories has improved as a fighter. Marco Huck, he's good, he beat Tokarev and he's got a few other decent names on his record, but the jury is still out him for me. there's not a lot between them all to be honest, cruiserweight is a very competetive division.

Juan Carlos Gomez definitely deserves a top 10 ranking though. Firstly, coz of his performance against McCall, who is deserving of a top 10 place, and because of his pedigree as a cruiserweight champion. He has a lot of talent and class, if/when he gets his shit together he could do very well in the Heavyweight division.


I'll get on this commitee eventually, as my boxing knowledge is vast and detailed to a degree that makes onlookers wonder if I'm a genius or borderline autistic. you shall see.

Cheers for the feedback though, is it ok I mock/critisize the other lists in this thread? To spark debate like.


Well you've come back with some solid points there . I felt Eastman was a bit lucky to get the decision over Ashira and that he really is shot now , so from that I feel Elcock being top 10 is a bit high , Asikainen or Duddy would have been a better choice imo . Just checking now though and the Ring have him at #10 so maybe not quite as crazy as first appears .

For me Dzinzurik is the real deal with possibly the best jab in boxing , and I would favour him over Forrest and De La Hoya . He does need to improve his opposition though , he was fighting better guys when he held the European title .

I don't fully agree with the rest of what you've said but(mainly about Raheem) but you've given solid reasoning and as you said with the heavyweights there's so many b-level fighters than it's hard to be decisive on who really deserves top 10 .

Yes we're allowed critisize , praise or whatever other lists so feel free .


Now things will have to take a downward note(from my point of view) , Zackman how the hell did you miss the exposure of someone's chin when they have as high a profile as Dunne , granted he's not exactly well known in the States but you missed that sKAMDcMYhvw.........so depressing , anyway he can still hack it at European level and who knows maybe some day a skilled fighter with absolutely no power will become Super Bantamweight champ and Dunne will have a chance at winning a World title .

[Smazz20]

Well you've come back with some solid points there . I felt Eastman was a bit lucky to get the decision over Ashira and that he really is shot now , so from that I feel Elcock being top 10 is a bit high , Asikainen or Duddy would have been a better choice imo . Just checking now though and the Ring have him at #10 so maybe not quite as crazy as first appears .

For me Dzinzurik is the real deal with possibly the best jab in boxing , and I would favour him over Forrest and De La Hoya . He does need to improve his opposition though , he was fighting better guys when he held the European title .

I don't fully agree with the rest of what you've said but(mainly about Raheem) but you've given solid reasoning and as you said with the heavyweights there's so many b-level fighters than it's hard to be decisive on who really deserves top 10 .

Yes we're allowed critisize , praise or whatever other lists so feel free .


Now things will have to take a downward note(from my point of view) , Zackman how the hell did you miss the exposure of someone's chin when they have as high a profile as Dunne , granted he's not exactly well known in the States but you missed that sKAMDcMYhvw.........so depressing , anyway he can still hack it at European level and who knows maybe some day a skilled fighter with absolutely no power will become Super Bantamweight champ and Dunne will have a chance at winning a World title .


Damn man, that was brutal. He was and still is one of my favs. That's as close to rape a man can get in the ring.

[Lampley]

Hey Guys,

Was out of town all day for work (hence the reason for the very early morning post). Yes, you may and please do edit your rankings. They don't become cemented until cutoff time at 8:00am EST.

Also, this will be by far the most taxing voting period. From here, you'll simply be making adjustments to your foundation. Much, much easier.

Where is everyone else?

[kg0208]

Hey Guys,

Was out of town all day for work (hence the reason for the very early morning post). Yes, you may and please do edit your rankings. They don't become cemented until cutoff time at 8:00am EST.

Also, this will be by far the most taxing voting period. From here, you'll simply be making adjustments to your foundation. Much, much easier.

Where is everyone else?

:good

[Lampley]

OK, McGrain has made the suggestion of extending the dealine, which I believe is an excellent idea. Our European posters probably are down for the night.

Let's extend the deadline 48 hours, and I'll send PMs to each member who hasn't yet voted.

Thanks very much to those who already have, and of course you can tinker with your ballots as you wish through Wednesday morning at 8:00am EST.

[Robbi]

Pound for pound.

Floyd Mayweather Jr
Manny Pacquiao
Bernard Hopkins
Juan Manuel Marquez
Joe Calzaghe
Ricky Hatton
Miguel Cotto
Kelly Pavlik
Winky Wright
Shane Mosley

Heavyweight

Wladimir Klitschko
Oleg Maskaev
Samuel Peter
Sultan Ibragimov
Rusian Chagaev

Cruiserweight

Jean Marc Mormeck
David Haye
O'Neil Bell
Steve Cunningham
Enzo Macccarinelli

Light-heavyweight

Bernard Hopkins
Chad Dawson
Antonio Tarver
Clinton Woods
Clengoffe Johnson

Super-middleweight

Joe Calzaghe
Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine
Jeff Lacy
Carl Froch

Middleweight

Kelly Pavlik
Arthur Abraham
Felix Sturm
Jermain Taylor
Winky Wright

Light-middleweight

Vernon Forrest
Cory Spinks
Roman Karmazin
Oscar De La Hoya
Kassim Ouma

Welterweight

Floyd Mayweather
Miguel Cotto
Shane Mosley
Paul Williams
Kermit Cintron

Light-welterweight

Ricky Hatton
Junior Witter
Paulie Malignaggi
Ricardo Torres
Gavin Rees

Lightweight

Juan Diaz
Julio Diaz
Joel Casamayor
David Diaz
Zahir Rhaeem

Super-featherweight

Manny Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez
Joan Guzman
Humberto Soto
Edwin Valero

Featherweight

Chris John
Steven Luevano
Jorge Linares
Roberto Guerrero
Rocky Jaurez

[MSTR]

Guys I am hereby giving up my position on the comittee. I don't have a computer at my house, and can only post from work. I simply do not have the time to prepare a list that I would be confident in presenting. Apologies to everyone who voted for me.

[kg0208]

Pound for Pound
Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez
Joe Calzaghe
Bernard Hopkins
Winky Wright
Miguel Cotto
Israel Vasquez
Rafael Marquez
Kelly Pavlik


Heavyweight
Wlad Klitschko
Sam Peter
Sultan Ibragimov
Oleg Maskaev
Ruslan Chagaev


Cruiserweight
Jean-Marc Mormeck
ONeill Bell
David Haye
Steve Cunningham
Enzo Maccarinelli

Light-Heavyweight
Bernard Hopkins
Chad Dawson
Antonio Tarver
Clinton Woods
Zsolt Erdei

Super Middleweight
Joe Calzaghe
Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine
Lucien Bute
Jeff Lacy

Middleweight
Kelly Pavlik
Winky Wright
Jermain Taylor
Arthur Abraham
Felix Sturm

Junior Middleweight
Cory Spinks
Vernon Forrest
Oscar De La Hoya
Roman Karmazin
Kassim Ouma

Welterweight
Floyd Mayweather
Shane Mosley
Miguel Cotto
Paul Williams
Kermit Cintron

Junior Welterweight
Rickey Hatton
Junior Witter
Paulie Malignaggi
Ricardo Torres
Vivian Harris

Lightweight
Juan Diaz
Joel Casamayor
Julio Diaz
David Diaz
Nate Campbell


Junior Lightweight
Manny Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez
Marco Antonio Barrera
Joan Guzman
Humberto Soto
Edwin Valero

Featherweight
Chris John
Jorge Linares
Robert Guerrero
Steve Luevano
Jorge Solis

Junior Featherweight
Israel Vazquez
Rafael Marquez
Daniel Ponce de Leon
Celestino Caballero
Steve Molitor

There ya go, my half-assed rankings. Sorry.

You have until Wednesday, why don't you just take some more time to fill it out a bit more. Remember, the first one is the hard one, then you just have to tinker each month.

[Zakman]

Thanks very much to those who already have, and of course you can tinker with your ballots as you wish through Wednesday morning at 8:00am EST.

Thanks man - I made the Martiniz for Dunne substitution, as discussed. If anyone else notices any "errors" or anomalies in my ratings, please comment. Like I said, I tried to get it as "accurate" as possible, but I'm sure there are things that could be improved.

[Lampley]

Still many more folks to go, but so far everyone appears to have put in a solid amount of effort.

I'll send out PMs in the morning.

[sues2nd]

Okay....sorry mine are a bit late....but here goes.

POUND FOR POUND:

Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Manny Pacquiao
Joe Calzaghe
Bernard Hopkins
Israel Vazquez
Juan Manuel Marquez
Ricky Hatton
Raphael Marquez
Miguel Cotto
Winky Wright

HEAVYWEIGHT:

Wladimir Klitschko
Samuel Peter
Ruslan Chagaev
Nicholay Valuev
Sultan Ibragimov
Tony Thompson
Oleg Maskaev
Wladimir Virchis
Calvin Brock
Serguei Lyakhovich

CRUISERWEIGHT:

Jean-Marc Mormeck
O'neil Bell
Steve Cunningham
David Haye
Enzo Maccarinelli
Darnell Wilson
Marco Huck
Vadim Tokarev
Tomasz Adamek
Firat Arslan

LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT:

Chad Dawson
Bernard Hopkins
Clinton Woods
Zsolt Erdei
Glen Johnson
Antonio Tarver
Roy Jones Jr.
Stipe Drews
Paul Briggs
Adrian Diaconu

SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT:

Joe Calzaghe
Mikkel Kessler
Lucian Bute
Anthony Mundine
Jeff Lacy
Carl Froch
Markus Beyer
Allan Green
Dennis Inkin
Alejandro Berrio

MIDDLEWEIGHT:

Kelly Pavlik
Arthur Abraham
Jermain Taylor
Winky Wright
Felix Sturm
Edison Miranda
Sebastian Sylvester
Javier Castillejo
Kassim Ouma
John Duddy

JUNIOR MIDDLEWEIGHT:

Cory Spinks
Roman Karmazin
Vernon Forrest
Joachim Alcine
Sergei Dzindziruk
Oscar De La Hoya
Travis Simms
Ike Quartey
Daniel Santos
Joel Julio

WELTERWEIGHT:

Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Miguel Cotto
Shane Mosely
Paul Williams
Antonio Margarito
Kermit Cintron
Joshua Clottey
Luis Collazo
Andre Berto
Demetrius Hopkins

JUNIOR WELTERWEIGHT:

Ricky Hatton
Junior Witter
Paul Malinaggi
Ricardo Torres
Kendall Holt
Herman Ngoudjo
Jose Luis Castillo
Vivian Harris
Juan Urango
Gavin Rees

LIGHTWEIGHT:

Joel Cassamayor
Juan Diaz
Julio Diaz
David Diaz
Zahir Raheem
Michael Katsidis
Nate Campbell
Acelino Freitas
Almazbek Raiymkulov
Jesus Chavez

SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT:

Manny Pacquaio
Juan Manuel Marquez
Juan Guzman
Humberto Soto
Marco Antonio Barrera
Edwin Valero
Alex Arthur
Jorge Barrios
Sirimongkol Singwancha
Kevin Mitchell

FEATHERWEIGHT:

Chris John
Jorge Linares
Rocky Juarez
Steven Luevano
Robert Guerrero
Jorge Solis
Nicky Cook
Martin Honorio
In-Jin Chi
Hiroyuki Enoki

SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT:

Israel Vazquez
Raphael Marquez
Daniel Ponce De Leon
Celestino Caballero
Steve Molitor
Somsak Sithchatchawal
Kiko Martinez
Mike Oliver
Ricardo Cordoba
Ray Bautista

BANTAMWEIGHT:

Hozumi Hasegawa
Gerry Penalosa
Simone Maludrottu
Silence Mabuza
Wladimir Sidorenko

SUPER FLYWEIGHT:

Christian Mijares
Fernando Montiel
Jorge Arce
Martin Castillo
AJ Banal

FLYWEIGHT:

Nonito Donaire
Takefumi Sakata
Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
Vic Darchinyan
Daisuke Naito

JUNIOR FLYWEIGHT:

Ivan Calderon
Hugo Cazaras
Ulises Solis
Edgar Sosa
Eagle Kyowa

Admittidly I dont know much about the lower weights...so I did the best I could.

[theunderdog]

kyowa fights at minimumweight

[chimba]

Okay....sorry mine are a bit late....but here goes.

POUND FOR POUND:

Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Manny Pacquiao
Joe Calzaghe
Bernard Hopkins
Israel Vazquez
Juan Manuel Marquez
Ricky Hatton
Raphael Marquez
Miguel Cotto
Winky Wright

HEAVYWEIGHT:

Wladimir Klitschko
Samuel Peter
Ruslan Chagaev
Nicholay Valuev
Sultan Ibragimov
Tony Thompson
Oleg Maskaev
Wladimir Virchis
Calvin Brock
Serguei Lyakhovich

CRUISERWEIGHT:

Jean-Marc Mormeck
O'neil Bell
Steve Cunningham
David Haye
Enzo Maccarinelli
Darnell Wilson
Marco Huck
Vadim Tokarev
Tomasz Adamek
Firat Arslan

LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT:

Chad Dawson
Bernard Hopkins
Clinton Woods
Zsolt Erdei
Glen Johnson
Antonio Tarver
Roy Jones Jr.
Stipe Drews
Paul Briggs
Adrian Diaconu

SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT:

Joe Calzaghe
Mikkel Kessler
Lucian Bute
Anthony Mundine
Jeff Lacy
Carl Froch
Markus Beyer
Allan Green
Dennis Inkin
Alejandro Berrio

MIDDLEWEIGHT:

Kelly Pavlik
Arthur Abraham
Jermain Taylor
Winky Wright
Felix Sturm
Edison Miranda
Sebastian Sylvester
Javier Castillejo
Kassim Ouma
John Duddy

JUNIOR MIDDLEWEIGHT:

Cory Spinks
Roman Karmazin
Vernon Forrest
Joachim Alcine
Sergei Dzindziruk
Oscar De La Hoya
Travis Simms
Ike Quartey
Daniel Santos
Joel Julio

WELTERWEIGHT:

Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Miguel Cotto
Shane Mosely
Paul Williams
Antonio Margarito
Kermit Cintron
Joshua Clottey
Luis Collazo
Andre Berto
Demetrius Hopkins

JUNIOR WELTERWEIGHT:

Ricky Hatton
Junior Witter
Paul Malinaggi
Ricardo Torres
Kendall Holt
Herman Ngoudjo
Jose Luis Castillo
Vivian Harris
Juan Urango
Gavin Rees

LIGHTWEIGHT:

Joel Cassamayor
Juan Diaz
Julio Diaz
David Diaz
Zahir Raheem
Michael Katsidis
Nate Campbell
Acelino Freitas
Almazbek Raiymkulov
Jesus Chavez

SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT:

Manny Pacquaio
Juan Manuel Marquez
Juan Guzman
Humberto Soto
Marco Antonio Barrera
Edwin Valero
Alex Arthur
Jorge Barrios
Sirimongkol Singwancha
Kevin Mitchell

FEATHERWEIGHT:

Chris John
Jorge Linares
Rocky Juarez
Steven Luevano
Robert Guerrero
Jorge Solis
Nicky Cook
Martin Honorio
In-Jin Chi
Hiroyuki Enoki

SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT:

Israel Vazquez
Raphael Marquez
Daniel Ponce De Leon
Celestino Caballero
Steve Molitor
Somsak Sithchatchawal
Kiko Martinez
Mike Oliver
Ricardo Cordoba
Ray Bautista

BANTAMWEIGHT:

Hozumi Hasegawa
Gerry Penalosa
Simone Maludrottu
Silence Mabuza
Wladimir Sidorenko

SUPER FLYWEIGHT:

Christian Mijares
Fernando Montiel
Jorge Arce
Martin Castillo
AJ Banal

FLYWEIGHT:

Nonito Donaire
Takefumi Sakata
Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
Vic Darchinyan
Daisuke Naito

JUNIOR FLYWEIGHT:

Ivan Calderon
Hugo Cazaras
Ulises Solis
Edgar Sosa
Eagle Kyowa

Admittidly I dont know much about the lower weights...so I did the best I could.


Sue I like your p4p, Im not a fan of Jcal but its proper to put him there

[Brickhaus]

I think this would kind of hurt the "offical" thread, if you see what I mean...I do think that this job is a tough one and posting questions about specific fighters, or starting discussion on a specific division would be a big help.

I've been doing a similar project in baseball (Hall of Merit on Baseballthinkfactory), and it actually works quite well for people to post preliminary rankings in another thread first, so people can make arguments as to why certain people should be higher or lower...

[Lampley]

I've been doing a similar project in baseball (Hall of Merit on Baseballthinkfactory), and it actually works quite well for people to post preliminary rankings in another thread first, so people can make arguments as to why certain people should be higher or lower...
I like it this way, too. I think what we'll do starting in November is to *begin* posting rankings on Sunday, then keep the polls open for posters to edit through Wednesday morning. That gives everyone a full 48 hours to post, review feedback and make adjustments.

[Lampley]

Also, some of you guys have posted rankings but not sent me and kg0208 an email voting yes or no for the nominees. If you don't have access to an email you don't want to or can't send my way, PM me and we'll figure something out.

[sues2nd]

Sue I like your p4p, Im not a fan of Jcal but its proper to put him there

:good

Thanks!!! Not bad for a biased nuthugger.........just kidding bro.....:D

And Lampley, I just sent my vote on the nomination (should we post it here or keep it secretive????) to ya.

And underdog, I know he does, but as I said, I dont know that much about those weights, so I bunched the guys I knew were good together. Not the best way to go about it probably....but what can ya do?

:?

[Amsterdam]

:good

Thanks!!! Not bad for a biased nuthugger.........just kidding bro.....:D

And Lampley, I just sent my vote on the nomination (should we post it here or keep it secretive????) to ya.

And underdog, I know he does, but as I said, I dont know that much about those weights, so I bunched the guys I knew were good together. Not the best way to go about it probably....but what can ya do?

:?

Solid rankings Sues. KG did a really good set also, though I am going to add that Huck pretty much outclassed Tokarev and Tokarev is ranked over Huck, may want to adjust that if you'd like KG.:good

But I can understand if you're going on overall resume, because Tok's is competitive with Huck's.

[Amsterdam]

Interstingly, some have put JC at #3, I won't argue that considering the state of the P4P, but I was going to save his potential top 3 ranking after the Kessler fight.

But here is a quick question -

If Joe 'lacy's' Kessler, does that merit the #2 spot, given Kessler's class?:think

Not talking about a competitive win, but a total wipe out/shut out like he put on Lacy.

[kg0208]

Interstingly, some have put JC at #3, I won't argue that considering the state of the P4P, but I was going to save his potential top 3 ranking after the Kessler fight.

But here is a quick question -

If Joe 'lacy's' Kessler, does that merit the #2 spot, given Kessler's class?:think

Not talking about a competitive win, but a total wipe out/shut out like he put on Lacy.

I have already begun pondering such a jump. However, Pacman hasn't lost, and it's only in hindsight (except with his last fight) that I have begun to realize that Pacman hasn't fought a prime championship level fighter since 2004. His fans are starting to clamour about him being the "money man" in the lower weight classes and how others (champions mind you) will need to "get in line" to earn a shot at Pacman since he will take the big money fights. It's a shame really.

Anyways, Pacman hasn't lost since the first Morales fight, so it would be hard to drop him. But Calzaghe will have faced 2 prime champions in a time frame where Pacman has faced none, and PBF has faced one (technically 2). It is an interesting dillema.

[Amsterdam]

It's a really interesting dilemma. Lacy and Kessler don't have the legacy of a Marco A. Barrera, but we're not talking about a prime MAB by any stretch, even the one JMM beat, which had worse legs than the one Pac faced mind you...

And then Morales coming off those losses... with no legs. Only can mean so much, you'd have to assume both are about on the level of a sub-top 5 guy, JMM himself may be, he's a favourite and I haven't forgotten how Terdsak and the other guy troubled him before MAB, two B- level fighters if that...

It's really a weird situation. Calzaghe is facing his first true A level opponent coming up, if he totally and utterly wipes the floor with him, this would be the only scenerio I'd consider a #2 spot.

Not any fucking 115-113, 116-112 clear decision, but a 10 rounds or more in terms of rounds and a long stretch of just brutal domination, possibly a corner retirement, a scenerio like is possible given the styles, which Calzaghe definitley is at the stylistic advantage here and I also take the into consideration.

Pac really needs to face JMM or Guzman soon, this is getting ridiculous technically. The Pac-Morales-Mab circle jerk just wore out fast, he has not lost of course and has won handily, but Solis also gave him some trouble, even though Pac KOed him to the body, where as with Calzaghe you have one of the most definitive performances of the decade over Lacy, the Bika fairly wide but ugly fight win and then of course the wipe out ordeal with Manfredo, not that Manfredo counts for anything at all and we're still kind of running off of the Lacy win, but Mikkel Kessler brings in a new dimension depending on how it's won.

Floyd better blow Hatton out, that's all I'll say.:D

...but he will, no doubt.:D

[kg0208]

It's a really interesting dilemma. Lacy and Kessler don't have the legacy of a Marco A. Barrera, but we're not talking about a prime MAB by any stretch, even the one JMM beat, which had worse legs than the one Pac faced mind you...

And then Morales coming off those losses... with no legs. Only can mean so much, you'd have to assume both are about on the level of a sub-top 5 guy, JMM himself may be, he's a favourite and I haven't forgotten how Terdsak and the other guy troubled him before MAB, two B- level fighters if that...

It's really a weird situation. Calzaghe is facing his first true A level opponent coming up, if he totally and utterly wipes the floor with him, this would be the only scenerio I'd consider a #2 spot.

Not any fucking 115-113, 116-112 clear decision, but a 10 rounds or more in terms of rounds and a long stretch of just brutal domination, possibly a corner retirement, a scenerio like is possible given the styles, which Calzaghe definitley is at the stylistic advantage here and I also take the into consideration.

Pac really needs to face JMM or Guzman soon, this is getting ridiculous technically. The Pac-Morales-Mab circle jerk just wore out fast, he has not lost of course and has won handily, but Solis also gave him some trouble, even though Pac KOed him to the body, where as with Calzaghe you have one of the most definitive performances of the decade over Lacy, the Bika fairly wide but ugly fight win and then of course the wipe out ordeal with Manfredo, not that Manfredo counts for anything at all and we're still kind of running off of the Lacy win, but Mikkel Kessler brings in a new dimension depending on how it's won.

Floyd better blow Hatton out, that's all I'll say.:D

...but he will, no doubt.:D

Well here's the thing. Pacman DID lose once to Morales. It seems to be lost in all the shuffle when discussing P4P, which of course is as subjective as it can get. And simply looking at his fights, it was obvious that Pacman lost to a past it Morales and beat a shot one (to which Pacman most likely contributed the final push, but certainly not the only push).

Calzaghe would have to obliterate Kessler for this move to even be on the table for me.

[Amsterdam]

Cool deal mate, thanks for your input on the matter.:good

I think a lot of us are seeing a lot of clarity to the P4P situation, we both have Dawson in the top 10 and I have Bernard at the last spot just for paper fairness and you excluded him wholly from the top 10 and that's definitley relevant to the situation.

Anyway, I was proposed to do a pressure washing job tomarrow night a few weeks back and I qouted him at 75$ dollars for the driveway and 75$ for the back deck and shed and the moron is trying to act like I qouted him for 75$ for everything, so the Amsterdam account at ESB has to go deal with an utter moron for 10 minutes on the phone.

I need to get these lower weight rankings in however. Hmm. I guess I'll get right on it.

[cross_trainer]

These are the divisions I spend a disproportionate amount of time watching or following, and therefore am best qualified to comment on.

P4P

Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
Manny Pacquiao
Jean Marc Mormeck
Bernard Hopkins
Ricky Hatton
Kelly Pavlik
Israel Vasquez
Juan Manuel Marquez
Raphael Marquez
Mikkel Kessler

Heavyweight

Wladimir Klitschko
Ruslan Chagaev
Sultan Ibragimov
Oleg Maskaev
Samuel Peter
Nikolay Valuev
Calvin Brock
Vladimir Virchis
Tony Thompson
Jameel McCline

Cruiserweight

Jean-Marc Mormeck
O'Neill Bell
David Haye
Steve Cunningham
Enzo Maccarinelli
Krzysztof Wlodarczyck
Vadim Tokarev
Darnell Wilson
Marco Huck
Tomasz Adamek

Lightheavyweight

Supermiddleweight

Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine
Joe Calzaghe
Lucian Bute
Carl Froch
Denis Inkin
Librado Andrade
Allan Green
Vitali Tsypko
Alejandro Berrio

Middleweight

Jr. Middleweight

Welterweight

Floyd Mayweather
Miguel Cotto
Kermit Cintron
Paul Williams
Shane Mosley
Antonio Margarito
Luis Collazo
Oktay Urkal
Joshua Clottey
Demetrius Hopkins

[Amsterdam]

Now Cross Trainer, I am baffled how you have Mundine over Calzaghe, or Kessler for that matter, even though that is not as severe and you can explain your way out of it.

I'm wondering if China hand Joe's crazyness has rubbed off on you.

[Lampley]

Looking good, guys. Thanks for all the hard work. I think we're going to end up with some very close point totals. With more rankings to come, hopefully. (Everyone has been PMd to that effect except tobkhan, because his account doesn't accept PMs.)

Also, remember that this month we're actually voting on champions for divisions, in cases where you believe there is one (and you have to identify him as such.) And you can go back and edit your rankings as you choose until voting concludes on Wednesday morning.

And don't forget those emails with the Yes/No votes on the new nominations. Some very close calls at this point.

[kg0208]

Now Cross Trainer, I am baffled how you have Mundine over Calzaghe, or Kessler for that matter, even though that is not as severe and you can explain your way out of it.

I'm wondering if China hand Joe's crazyness has rubbed off on you.

He is missing PBF from his rankings as well on the WW front.

[chimba]

If Calzaghe wins against Kessler, no way hes not Rings #3 or I can no longer go with them for p4p..Id go with ESB's:good

[Amsterdam]

He is missing PBF from his rankings as well on the WW front.

I really want CHJ's rankings and for him to be apart of this and not get kicked out, he is essential to the committee.

Cross probably has some customisation going on there and that's all well and fine, curious to see CHJ's.

[cross_trainer]

He is missing PBF from his rankings as well on the WW front.

Lampley's rules specify that you stop being the champion in any weightclass as soon as you step into the ring in a higher or lower one. Otherwise, PBF would be #1.

[kg0208]

Lampley's rules specify that you stop being the champion in any weightclass as soon as you step into the ring in a higher or lower one. Otherwise, PBF would be #1.

You are correct. It DOES say that. But being that our first set of rankings comes after PBF has unretired and he is fighting at 147 in a scheduled fight to defend a 147 title (Ring and WBC) I would assume he is still eligible for 147.

However, if he moves out of the division after the first set of ESB rankings and from here on out, the Rules set in the Constitution would apply to him. Its how I interpreted it anyways.

[Lampley]

Ah, rats. I was hoping to write that more clearly. I'll have to go back and edit.

With respect to division identity, this was the weakest component of the Constitution. I just don't think a hard rule can effectively legislate the wildly volatile situations that will confront voters.

Here it is:

DIVISION IDENTITY


Because fighters change divisions, return, and hover above with so much regularity and under a wide variety of circumstances, common logic should dictate to which division a fighter belongs.

In case of ambiguity or in situations where there is a dispute, the matter should be taken to vote, either during a monthly vote or as a Special Vote.

For Champions, the 365-day rule applies.

In situations where a fighter gains enough votes to be ranked for two different divisions, he will be ranked in the division where he ranks highest -- and in the event of a tie, his most recent division will count -- and not listed in the other division. In that other division, the next-highest vote getter will move into the rankings and the rankings themselves will adjust accordingly.

Naturally, the idea is to prevent such a phenomenon from occurring by virtue either of discussion among voters about a fighter's division, or settled by a vote.
__________

In other words, I think if you want Mayweather at 147, you can rank him at 147. (Or name him Champion, if you prefer.)

[Amsterdam]

Lampley's rules specify that you stop being the champion in any weightclass as soon as you step into the ring in a higher or lower one. Otherwise, PBF would be #1.

Cross, quick question, something I missed even.

Why Jean Marc Mormeck at 3? He was KOed by Bell, barely beat Bell the second time(Bell is not that great to begin with) and he's not been very active.

He does not even have a resume comparable to Wladimir Klitschko's HW resume and H2H with his stamina issue's, he doesn't bode so well.

I'm really curious here mate...:thumbsup

[Lampley]

Here's the confusing part to be changed:

LOSING A BELT

A Champion can lose his belt for one of three reasons: 1) Losing in the ring, 2) Vacating the division (moving in weight class, retiring, etc.), or 3) Not fighting for more than 365 days. Both No. 1 and No. 2 result in certain loss of the belt. Additionally for No. 2, if a fighter vacates a division and returns later, he does not regain Championship status and must fight for it along with the other Contenders.
___________

What I intended to write was that in case a fighter had left the division as determined by consensus (essentially, stripped due to the common perception that he had left that division for good), he could not be voted back as champ if he returned to his previous weight.

If Chad Dawson were to become 175-pound champ and then take a superfight at 168 vs. Calzaghe, he'd probably be OK to come back to 175. But if he fought Calzaghe and then decided to fight Taylor or Pavlik as well, regardless of whether he fought all of these inside a year, people might decide to go ahead and rank him at 168 and strip him at 175.

The Division Identity rule I posted above was meant to clarify that, but I worded No. 2 way too strongly above.

Thanks for pointing out that inconsistency, CT, and I'll go back and change. Feel free to alter WW and other divisions you had ranked based on that mistake on my part.

[cross_trainer]

Cross, quick question, something I missed even.

Why Jean Marc Mormeck at 3? He was KOed by Bell, barely beat Bell the second time(Bell is not that great to begin with) and he's not been very active.

He does not even have a resume comparable to Wladimir Klitschko's HW resume and H2H with his stamina issue's, he doesn't bode so well.

I'm really curious here mate...:thumbsup

Because Bell was the clear #1 contender to the crown, and Mormeck defeated Bell the second time around despite a clearly inferior stylistic matchup. In other words, he's defeated the best possible opponent he could, and is sitting astride the cruiserweight division. Mormeck, along with Pavlik and one or two others, is also the only holder of a lineal title. He unified all of the belts in the recent past as well, not many eons ago.

Klischko, by contrast, has not faced the cream of his division and come out victorious. He has taken out a string of commendable contenders, but it's not quite the same thing. Even Calzaghe, whom you rate quite highly, has not accomplished what Mormeck has recently. Not until he defeats Kessler will he be in a comparable position. :good

[Amsterdam]

Because Bell was the clear #1 contender to the crown, and Mormeck defeated Bell the second time around despite a clearly inferior stylistic matchup. In other words, he's defeated the best possible opponent he could, and is sitting astride the cruiserweight division. Mormeck, along with Pavlik and one or two others, is also the only holder of a lineal title. He unified all of the belts in the recent past as well, not many eons ago.

Klischko, by contrast, has not faced the cream of his division and come out victorious. He has taken out a string of commendable contenders, but it's not quite the same thing. Even Calzaghe, whom you rate quite highly, has not accomplished what Mormeck has recently. Not until he defeats Kessler will he be in a comparable position. :good

The problem is that Bell is certainly not the cream of the crop and Mormeck has the clear styles advantage over Bell, just horrid, horrid stamina to where he's dead tired by round 5.

Bell technically shouldn't have been in line for the title in the first place, he got one of the worst gifts in recent history over Dale Brown, who is an average fighter that Wilson blew out in round 2.

So sure, he and Pavlik are linear title holders, but against what competition exactly is what we have to look at and we also have to consider their overall ability, in which Mormeck is very limited by his stamina and aging status.:think

[cross_trainer]

Now Cross Trainer, I am baffled how you have Mundine over Calzaghe, or Kessler for that matter, even though that is not as severe and you can explain your way out of it.

I'm wondering if China hand Joe's crazyness has rubbed off on you.
Come to think of it, CHJ actually did a good job of convincing me that Calzaghe wasn't as good as he first appeared. :yep

That, and the fact that he's not accomplished much over the huge stretch of time he's owned a rather useless belt, and his only good win as of late was against Lacy, who is now proving far more limited than many thought. He's on about the same plane as Pavlik, and he may be declining physically. On the other hand, Kessler is on the way up, and Mundine has a bit more on his recent resume. Calzaghe is arguably above Mundine, but I don't think the same of his position vis-a-vis Kessler.

So, given the choice between rating Calzaghe at #2 and #3, both of which are arguable, I chose the lower of the two knowing that it would be counterbalanced by the drastic overrating by everyone else.

[Amsterdam]

Come to think of it, CHJ actually did a good job of convincing me that Calzaghe wasn't as good as he first appeared. :yep

That, and the fact that he's not accomplished much over the huge stretch of time he's owned a rather useless belt, and his only good win as of late was against Lacy, who is now proving far more limited than many thought. He's on about the same plane as Pavlik, and he may be declining physically. On the other hand, Kessler is on the way up, and Mundine has a bit more on his recent resume. Calzaghe is arguably above Mundine, but I don't think the same of his position vis-a-vis Kessler.

So, given the choice between rating Calzaghe at #2 and #3, both of which are arguable, I chose the lower of the two knowing that it would be counterbalanced by the drastic overrating by everyone else.

All right.

However, we really need to talk through this Mormeck thing. Are you familiar with the CW division mate? Because 1-1 with Bell, especially the second win being close and with dirty tricks(cutting rounds short by 35 seconds so Mormeck wouldn't get KD'd) is not a call for P4P discussion.

[cross_trainer]

The problem is that Bell is certainly not the cream of the crop and Mormeck has the clear styles advantage over Bell, just horrid, horrid stamina to where he's dead tired by round 5.

Bell technically shouldn't have been in line for the title in the first place, he got one of the worst gifts in recent history over Dale Brown, who is an average fighter that Wilson blew out in round 2.

So sure, he and Pavlik are linear title holders, but against what competition exactly is what we have to look at and we also have to consider their overall ability, in which Mormeck is very limited by his stamina and aging status.:think

I'd say Bell has a clear stylistic advantage over Mormeck. He may tire early, but he's a far taller fighter with a very big punch. His poor stamina is about as much of a disadvantage as it was for Foreman against Frazier.

And considering the pace of both Mormeck-Bell fights, I'm not surprised their stamina looked a bit off. :lol:

[cross_trainer]

All right.

However, we really need to talk through this Mormeck thing. Are you familiar with the CW division mate? Because 1-1 with Bell, especially the second win being close and with dirty tricks(cutting rounds short by 35 seconds so Mormeck wouldn't get KD'd) is not a call for P4P discussion.

No, but defeating a string of contenders (Hill, Gurov, Brown, Braithwaite) before losing and winning back the belt against Bell--who had Mormeck's number and was the best contender available at the time--is quite impressive. He's now facing Haye, who's the next "big thing" in the cruiserweight division. In other words, he's not avoiding anybody, thereby further legitimizing his claim on that division.

He looks quite good on film as well, for what it's worth.

[Amsterdam]

No, but defeating a string of contenders (Hill, Gurov, Brown, Braithwaite) before losing and winning back the belt against Bell--who had Mormeck's number and was the best contender available at the time--is quite impressive. He's now facing Haye, who's the next "big thing" in the cruiserweight division. In other words, he's not avoiding anybody, thereby further legitimizing his claim on that division.

It's just that you often talk about SMW being weak as all get out, CW in Mormeck's prime was even weaker.

But okay, I'll let that one go, you've explained your reasoning well enough.


He looks quite good on film as well, for what it's worth.


:think

[cross_trainer]

It's just that you often talk about SMW being weak as all get out, CW in Mormeck's prime was even weaker.

But okay, I'll let that one go, you've explained your reasoning well enough.

That's true. But unlike Calzaghe, he fought the best opponents available in his division, thereby compensating for its weakness. Had Calzaghe been willing to do the same throughout his career, he would have rated far higher than Mormeck.



:think

Come now...he doesn't look that bad to you, does he? Bear in mind that he's one level down from the heavyweight division, so we shouldn't expect the same brilliance we would from a middleweight.

[Amsterdam]

That's true. But unlike Calzaghe, he fought the best opponents available in his division, thereby compensating for its weakness. Had Calzaghe been willing to do the same throughout his career, he would have rated far higher than Mormeck.

Not a matter of willing to do it, a matter of getting opponents, difficult when you're one of the best in the world and no money draw.





Come now...he doesn't look that bad to you, does he? Bear in mind that he's one level down from the heavyweight division, so we shouldn't expect the same brilliance we would from a middleweight.


- Poor defence

- Average head movement

- Average footwork

- Good handspeed

- Average chin

- Horrid stamina

- Average power

He's okay, if he had good stamina, he'd be much more potent, guy always gasses out and can't pace himself.

[cross_trainer]

Not a matter of willing to do it, a matter of getting opponents, difficult when you're one of the best in the world and no money draw.

Given his insanely fanatical fanbase, I find his lack of marketability difficult to believe. He's generally pretty exciting, his skills are clear enough, and he doesn't seem to have trouble raking in the cash now that he's actually destroyed a good opponent. He simply took the easier, lower-risk fights for a stable but unexceptional salary rather than risk it all in a big fight he may lose.




- Poor defence

- Average head movement

- Average footwork

- Good handspeed

- Average chin

- Horrid stamina

- Average power

He's okay, if he had good stamina, he'd be much more potent, guy always gasses out and can't pace himself.

Much of what you say is applicable on the outside (though his head movement is better than you indicate, in my opinion). He's an extremely good infighter, though, and he has determination in spades to compensate for any physical shortcomings. Experienced chap, as well...and he also listened to his corner's advice to stay away against Bell the second time around, which is something few boxers do in the middle of a war.

[Amsterdam]

Given his insanely fanatical fanbase, I find his lack of marketability difficult to believe. He's generally pretty exciting, his skills are clear enough, and he doesn't seem to have trouble raking in the cash now that he's actually destroyed a good opponent. He simply took the easier, lower-risk fights for a stable but unexceptional salary rather than risk it all in a big fight he may lose.

Well, the two belt holders, ottke and beyer, ducked him blatantly, this is fact and why he didn't unify prior.

After the Lacy bout, they attempted to get the winner of Wright/Taylor, which ended in a draw and neither wanted this bout, even though the deal was in America. Tried to get Hopkins after Tarver, Hopkins refused the deal(did back in early 2000's also for 2.5 million, 10 times what he was making then) and retired, only to circle jerk with Wright for a nonsense bout.

Tried to even get Tarver, as he was a name, no luck. Johnson and Woods tied up together.

He had to take stay busy bouts obviously and is now fighting Kessler, who did he avoid? Where are you getting your logic from here?






Extremely good infighter, though, and he has determination in spades to compensate for any physical shortcomings. Experienced chap, as well...and he also listened to his corner's advice to stay away against Bell the second time around, which is something few boxers do in the middle of a war.


But it goes back to how crap Bell is also, a guy who barely got by Kelvin Davis, a guy who Darnell Wilson smashed in 3, and got a horrible gift over Dale Brown to even get the shot at Mormeck, again, a guy Darnell Wilson smashed in 2.

The only reason Bell won first time around was Mormeck gassed and couldn't keep the pace, because he went all out on Bell looking for the KO, but lacks the substantial KO power to put him away, as evident on why he couldn't put Braithwaite away, in which Guillermo Jones did Braithwaite in 4 and recently Enzo Mac shut Braithwaite out 120-108.

Mormeck is not very impressive lately, if you want to count his old wins from years back, which was a bunch of CW names, but poor opposition and never cementing anything with a truly good fighter at that time in Jirov, then you're going to have to cut Calzaghe some slack even if you don't like his eccentric fanbase, because Calzaghe DOMINATED comparable competition to Mormeck, where as Mormeck was competitive with most.

[cross_trainer]

Well, the two belt holders, ottke and beyer, ducked him blatantly, this is fact and why he didn't unify prior.

After the Lacy bout, they attempted to get the winner of Wright/Taylor, which ended in a draw and neither wanted this bout, even though the deal was in America. Tried to get Hopkins after Tarver, Hopkins refused the deal(did back in early 2000's also for 2.5 million, 10 times what he was making then) and retired, only to circle jerk with Wright for a nonsense bout.

Tried to even get Tarver, as he was a name, no luck. Johnson and Woods tied up together.

He had to take stay busy bouts obviously and is now fighting Kessler, who did he avoid? Where are you getting your logic from here?







But it goes back to how crap Bell is also, a guy who barely got by Kelvin Davis, a guy who Darnell Wilson smashed in 3, and got a horrible gift over Dale Brown to even get the shot at Mormeck, again, a guy Darnell Wilson smashed in 2.

The only reason Bell won first time around was Mormeck gassed and couldn't keep the pace, because he went all out on Bell looking for the KO, but lacks the substantial KO power to put him away, as evident on why he couldn't put Braithwaite away, in which Guillermo Jones did Braithwaite in 4 and recently Enzo Mac shut Braithwaite out 120-108.

Mormeck is not very impressive lately, if you want to count his old wins from years back, which was a bunch of CW names, but poor opposition and never cementing anything with a truly good fighter at that time in Jirov, then you're going to have to cut Calzaghe some slack even if you don't like his eccentric fanbase, because Calzaghe DOMINATED comparable competition to Mormeck, where as Mormeck was competitive with most.

It's not that I dislike Calzaghe's eccentric fanbase--I just find their arguments none-too-convincing (actually, they usually make a good case AGAINST Calzaghe). I rate him based on my impressions of the guy.

Calzaghe was not ducked by everyone. When he has fought a qualified opponent (Lacy, Kessler) he has insisted on doing so on his own ground, and has managed to extract a good deal. He probably carries more "weight" into negotiations than his resume deserves, rather than less, but he wishes to negotiate on the basis of parity (i.e. he and his opponent are on the same level) without breaking into the top P4P "superstars" in the first place. Now that he's FINALLY done so, his negotiating power is actually in tune with his objectives. A bit like Vitali and Wlad during their earlier careers.

A deal falls through (except on rare cases like Lewis-Bowe) because BOTH parties are not willing to budge. Bad luck can be blamed for a few of Calzaghe's missed opportunities, but a streak of substandard fights as long as Joe's indicates to me that his actions are large contributing factors. There's simply no way around this--the alternative is that Joe is the unluckiest boxer in history.

[China_hand_Joe]

P4P

Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
Manny Pacquiao
Jean Marc Mormeck
Bernard Hopkins
Ricky Hatton
Kelly Pavlik
Israel Vasquez
Juan Manuel Marquez
Raphael Marquez
Mikkel Kessler



Placing Kessler in the P4P list and not Calzaghe might be insightful.

[Lampley]

Placing Kessler in the P4P list and not Calzaghe might be insightful.

I saw that you had replied to this thread and thought you might be posting your rankings. Come on, come on -- don't be shy!

[brooklyn1550]

POUND FOR POUND
Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
Manny Pacquiao
Bernard Hopkins
Juan Manuel Marquez
Ricky Hatton
Israel Vazquez
Joe Calzaghe
Ivan Calderon
Miguel Cotto
Rafael Marquez

HEAVYWEIGHTS
Wladimir Klitschko
Ruslan Chagaev
Oleg Maskaev
Samuel Peter
Sultan Ibragimov
Nicolay Valuev
Tony Thompson
Sergei Lyakhovich
Vladimir Virchis
Chris Byrd

CRUISERWEIGHTS
Champion: Jean Marc Mormeck
O’Neil Bell
David Haye
Steve Cunningham
Enzo Maccarinelli
Marco Huck
Krzystof Wlodarczyk
Vadim Tokarev
Darnell Wilson
Firat Arslan
Johnathon Banks

LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHTS
Bernard Hopkins
Chad Dawson
Zsolt Erdei
Clinton Woods
Antonio Tarver
Glen Johnson
Adrian Diaconu
Paul Briggs
Stipe Drews
Roy Jones, Jr.

SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHTS
Champion: Joe Calzaghe
Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine
Lucian Bute
Jeff Lacy
Librado Andrade
Carl Froch
Alejandro Berrio
Librado Andrade
Juergen Braehmer
Edison Miranda

MIDDLEWEIGHTS
Champion: Kelly Pavlik
Arthur Abraham
Jermain Taylor
Winky Wright
Felix Sturm
Sebastian Sylvester
Mario Carrera
Amin Asikainen
Roman Karmazin
John Duddy
Kassim Ouma

LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHTS
Sergeiy Dzinziruk
Cory Spinks
Vernon Forrest
Joachim Alcine
Oscar De La Hoya
Travis Simms
Daniel Santos
Ike Quartey
Sechew Powell
Ricardo Mayorga

WELTERWEIGHTS
Champion: Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
Miguel Cotto
Paul Williams
Shane Mosley
Kermit Cintron
Antonio Margarito
Luis Collazo
Joshua Clottey
Zab Judah
Andre Berto
Carlos Quintana

LIGHT WELTERWEIGHTS
Champion: Ricky Hatton
Junior Witter
Paul Malignaggi
Ricardo Torres
Andreas Kotelnik
Kendall Holt
Vivian Harris
Gavin Rees
Lovemore N’Dou
Jose Luis Castillo
Demetrius Hopkins

LIGHTWEIGHTS
Joel Casamayor
Juan Diaz
Julio Diaz
Michael Katsidis
Nate Campbell
David Diaz
Zahir Raheem
Almazbek Raiymkulov
Yuri Romanov
Jose Santa Cruz

SUPER FEATHERWEIGHTS
Manny Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez
Joan Guzman
Humberto Soto
Marco Antonio Barrera
Jorge Barrios
Edwin Valero
Alex Arthur
Mzonke Fana
Manuel Medina

I'll post the rest tomorrow or probably sometime tonight

[Lampley]

Sweet! We're getting closer. You holdouts, you still have a full 30-plus hours.

And don't forget to send that email that will take you all of 30 seconds. The fate of several posters hangs in the balance!

[Lampley]

Still over one day to post those rankings.

[chung]

Pound for Pound
Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquiao
Bernard Hopkins
Juan Manuel Marquez
Israel Vasquez
Winky Wright
Joe Calzaghe
Ricky Hatton
Rafael Marquez
Kelly Pavlik


Heavyweight
Wlad Klitschko
Ruslan Chagaev
Sam Peter
Oleg Maskaev
Sultan Ibragimov
Shannon Briggs
Vladimir Virchis
Oliver McCall
Nicolai Valuev
David Tua


Cruiserweight
Jean-Marc Mormeck
ONeill Bell
Steve Cunningham
David Haye
Enzo Maccarinelli
Guillermo Jones
Krystoff Wlodarczyk
Darnell Wilson
Marco Huck
Tomacz Adamek


Light-Heavyweight
Bernard Hopkins
Zsolt Erdei
Chad Dawson
Antonio Tarver
Clinton Woods
Glen Johnson
Roy Jones




Super Middleweight
Joe Calzaghe
Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine
Jeff Lacy
Lucien Bute
Librado Andrade
Alan Green
Carl Froch
Sakio Bika
Denis Inklin


Middleweight
Kelly Pavlik
Arthur Abraham
Winky Wright
Jermain Taylor
Edison Miranda
Felix Sturm
Javier Castellejo
Anthony Mundine
Roman Karmazin
Mariano Carrera


Junior Middleweight
Vernon Forrest
Oscar De La Hoya
Kassim Ouma
Joachim Alcine
Sergiy Dzinziruk
Travis Simms
Sergio Martinez
Ike Quartey
Ricardo Mayorga


Welterweight
Floyd Mayweather
Migel Cotto
Shane Mosley
Paul Williams
Antonio Margarito
Zab Judah
Kermit Cintron
Andre Berto
Luis Collazo
Alfonzo Gomez


Junior Welterweight
Rickey Hatton
Junior Witter
Paulie Malignaggi
Ricardo Torres
Vivian Harris
Jose Luis Castillo
Demetrius Hopkins
Gavin Rees
Kendall Holt
Juan Lascano


Junior Lightweight
Manny Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez
Joan Guzman
Marco Antonio Barrera
Humberto Soto
Jorge Barrios
Edwin Valero
Alex Arthur

[theunderdog]

Pound for Pound
Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquiao
Bernard Hopkins
Juan Manuel Marquez
Israel Vasquez
Winky Wright
Joe Calzaghe
Ricky Hatton
Rafael Marquez
Kelly Pavlik


Heavyweight
Wlad Klitschko
Ruslan Chagaev
Sam Peter
Oleg Maskaev
Sultan Ibragimov
Shannon Briggs
Vladimir Virchis
Oliver McCall
Nicolai Valuev
David Tua


Cruiserweight
Jean-Marc Mormeck
ONeill Bell
Steve Cunningham
David Haye
Enzo Maccarinelli
Guillermo Jones
Krystoff Wlodarczyk
Darnell Wilson
Marco Huck
Tomacz Adamek


Light-Heavyweight
Bernard Hopkins
Zsolt Erdei
Chad Dawson
Antonio Tarver
Clinton Woods
Glen Johnson
Roy Jones




Super Middleweight
Joe Calzaghe
Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine
Jeff Lacy
Lucien Bute
Librado Andrade
Alan Green
Carl Froch
Sakio Bika
Denis Inklin


Middleweight
Kelly Pavlik
Arthur Abraham
Winky Wright
Jermain Taylor
Edison Miranda
Felix Sturm
Javier Castellejo
Anthony Mundine
Roman Karmazin
Mariano Carrera


Junior Middleweight
Vernon Forrest
Oscar De La Hoya
Kassim Ouma
Joachim Alcine
Sergiy Dzinziruk
Travis Simms
Sergio Martinez
Ike Quartey
Ricardo Mayorga


Welterweight
Floyd Mayweather
Migel Cotto
Shane Mosley
Paul Williams
Antonio Margarito
Zab Judah
Kermit Cintron
Andre Berto
Luis Collazo
Alfonzo Gomez


Junior Welterweight
Rickey Hatton
Junior Witter
Paulie Malignaggi
Ricardo Torres
Vivian Harris
Jose Luis Castillo
Demetrius Hopkins
Gavin Rees
Kendall Holt
Juan Lascano


Junior Lightweight
Manny Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez
Joan Guzman
Marco Antonio Barrera
Humberto Soto
Jorge Barrios
Edwin Valero
Alex Arthur

hahahaha. noob but thanks. i had a good laugh

[theunderdog]

Who are you calling a noob? ROFL There was nothing wrong with that guy's ranking.

because only the voted members are being asked to submit their rankings

[China_hand_Joe]

Placing Kessler in the P4P list and not Calzaghe might be insightful.

Yes, it could be insightful China_hand_Joe. But in cross_trainer's case it is not. The guy has listed mormeck, and basically whoever he considers to be the linear champions or something.

Then when critised for his stupidity, he'll unleash some articulate ramblings on everyone. The plus side however, China_hand_Joe is that sooner or later with his logic, he'll articulately convince himself he can fly and jump from a tall building. This will result in a broken arm and he'll no longer be able to type.

[sues2nd]

Yes, it could be insightful China_hand_Joe. But in cross_trainer's case it is not. The guy has listed mormeck, and basically whoever he considers to be the linear champions or something.

Then when critised for his stupidity, he'll unleash some articulate ramblings on everyone. The plus side however, China_hand_Joe is that sooner or later with his logic, he'll articulately convince himself he can fly and jump from a tall building. This will result in a broken arm and he'll no longer be able to type.

Are you talking to yourself again?

[China_hand_Joe]

Are you talking to yourself again?

It is soliloquy, mate.

[Guru_Too_You]

Working on mine now, my apologies for the delay.

That and this is a half bump.

[Amsterdam]

Working on mine now, my apologies for the delay.

That and this is a half bump.

Excellent, we need as many as possible, hope you'll continue in the predictions league as well.

[cross_trainer]

Yes, it could be insightful China_hand_Joe. But in cross_trainer's case it is not. The guy has listed mormeck, and basically whoever he considers to be the linear champions or something.

Then when critised for his stupidity, he'll unleash some articulate ramblings on everyone. The plus side however, China_hand_Joe is that sooner or later with his logic, he'll articulately convince himself he can fly and jump from a tall building. This will result in a broken arm and he'll no longer be able to type.

I agree. The only way you can win a debate with me is if I'm too injured to type. :good

[cross_trainer]

Are you talking to yourself again?

He is starting to realize how bad Calzaghe really is, and it is driving him mad -fullstop- :nut

[Amsterdam]

I agree. The only way you can win a debate with me is if I'm too injured to type. :good

New question -

WHERE is Bergeron!?:-(

[cross_trainer]

New question -

WHERE is Bergeron!?:-(

I don't know. He has the heavyweight division in the palm of his hand and then he throws a fight and disappears. Something tells me that Elvis-like Bergeron Sightings are not far behind.

[Lampley]

Tick, tick, tick. Come on, guys!

[Axe]

Can't wait to see the first ever final tally. :good

Lamps remember to not include chung's ratings, I've never heard of the guy and am pretty sure he wasn't voted in.

[Amsterdam]

CHJ agreed to post his rankings tonight.:happy

[Thread Stealer]

Heavyweights:

Wladimir Klitschko
Ruslan Chagaev
Oleg Maskaev
Sam Peter
Sultan Ibragimov
Nicolay Valuev
Tony Thompson

Cruiserweights:

Champ: Jean-Marc Mormeck

Steve Cunningham
O'Neil Bell
Krzystof Wlodarczyk
David Haye
Enzo Maccarinelli

Light Heavyweights:

Bernard Hopkins
Chad Dawson
Clinton Woods
Zsolt Erdei
Antonio Tarver
Glencoffe Johnson

Super Middleweights:

Joe Calzaghe
Mikkell Kessler
Anthony Mundine
Jeff Lacy
Librado Andrade
Lucian Bute
Carl Froch

Middleweights:

Champ: Kelly Pavlik

Arthur Abraham
Jermaine Taylor
Winky Wright
Felix Sturm
Javier Castillejo
Sebastian Sylvester

Junior Middleweights:

Cory Spinks
Roman Karmazin
Kassim Ouma
Joachim Alcine
Sergie Dzindziruk

Welterweights:

Champ: Floyd Mayweather

Shane Mosley
Miguel Cotto
Paul Williams
Antonio Margarito
Kermit Cintron
Luis Collazo
Joshua Clottey


Junior Welterweights:

Champ: Ricky Hatton

Junior Witter
Paul Malignaggi
Ricardo Torres
Vivian Harris
Gavin Rees
Souleymane M'baye

Lightweights:

Champ: Joel Casamayor

Juan Diaz
Julio Diaz
Nate Campbell
Michael Katsidis
David Diaz

Junior Lightweights:

Manny Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez
Humberto Soto
Joan Guzman
Edwin Valero
Jorge Barrios
Marco Antonio Barrera

[Lampley]

Can't wait to see the first ever final tally. :good

Lamps remember to not include chung's ratings, I've never heard of the guy and am pretty sure he wasn't voted in.

I'm on it.

Thanks, EB. Tomorrow morning, I'll run the spread. Should be very interesting.

Also, you guys who haven't emailed us need to do so on the nominees. It won't take you but a sec. We'll need to pump in good new members to replace cross_trainer and perhaps some others who may choose not to participate.

[Lampley]

CHJ agreed to post his rankings tonight.:happy
Outstanding.

[Amsterdam]

Completed, I put some thought and effort into these, hope they are on target...


Featherweight -

Chris John
Jorge Linares
Steven Luevano
Rocky Juarez
Robert Guerrero
Hiroyuki Enoki
Orlando Salido
Hector Velazquez
Thomas Mashaba
Mario Santiago

Super Bantam -

Israel Vasquez
Rafael Marquez
Celestino Caballero
Daniel Ponce de Leon
Steve Molitor
Somsak Sithchatchawal
Ricardo Cordoba
Kiko Martinez
Sasha Bakhtin
Wethya Sakmuangklang


Bantamweight -

Hozumi Hasegawa
Gerry Penalosa
Jhonny Gonzalez
Silence Mabuza
Wladimir Sidorenko
Lorenzo Parra
Jorge Arce
Simone Maludrottu
Alejandro Valdez
Anselmo Moreno

Super Flyweight -

Cristian Mijares
Fernando Montiel
Alexander Munoz
Nobuo Nashiro
Martin Castillo
Z Gorres
Pamuansak Posuwan
Jose Navarro
Kohei Kono
AJ Banal

Flyweight -

Nonito Donaire
Takefumi Sakata
Daisuke Naito
Pongsaklek Wongjongkam
Vic Darchinyan
Luis Maldonado
Omar Andres Narvaes
Roberto Vasquez
Lorenzo Parra
Raul Martinez


Light Flyweight -

Ivan Calderon
Ulises Solis
Hugo Fidel Cazares
Omar Nino Romero
Edgar Sosa
Omar Salado
Giovanni Segura
Brian Viloria
Muvhuso Nedzanani
Munetsugu Kayo

Minimumweight -

Sorry, I know absolutely nothing about this weight and the way I was able to rank the other weights despite not seeing many of them was that I have seen and observed SOME of them, so that I can compare wins/losses and what not.

[Brickhaus]

Amsterdam - you don't rate Molitor at all?

[Amsterdam]

Amsterdam - you don't rate Molitor at all?

I accidently left him out, I had him at 5.

fixed.

[China_hand_Joe]

Can I have a one hour exstension, it it convienient for my lunch.

[Lampley]

Can I have a one hour exstension, it it convienient for my lunch.

For you? Of course. But promise to send me a quick email, too, on the applicants.

[Lampley]

Erratic Behavior,

Did you mean to skip Pound for Pound? It's fine if you did, just wanted to make sure.

[chimba]

Amsterdam - you don't rate Molitor at all?

Hes anti Canadian, wheres Bergeron and why is this bum andrade ahead of Bute?:D

[Amsterdam]

Can I have a one hour exstension, it it convienient for my lunch.

If you need any assistance CHJ, let me know, I can provide video's on some.:good

[Thread Stealer]

Erratic Behavior,

Did you mean to skip Pound for Pound? It's fine if you did, just wanted to make sure.

Yeah I didn't care to do P4P. Maybe I'll do it in the future.

[sues2nd]

Can I have a one hour exstension, it it convienient for my lunch.

Only if you make me a sandwich...Im starving.

[China_hand_Joe]

If you need any assistance CHJ, let me know, I can provide video's on some.:good

You have Hopkins at number 10, you Americanised bastard.

[Max Molyneux]

Is Calzaghe rightfully No 1 In your p4p China?

[China_hand_Joe]

No.

[Max Molyneux]

No.

Is this all time great p4p or current p4p though?

[China_hand_Joe]

Is this all time great p4p or current p4p though?

All time yes, current no.

[Max Molyneux]

Is he In your current though?

[Amsterdam]

You have Hopkins at number 10, you Americanised bastard.

I have an adequate system for judgement, which does include accomplishment. No worries CHJ, when some of the others cement some victories and he's sitting around not doing much, he will be off the list of course.

Right now P4P is in a frenzy.

So don't get yourself twisted up over that, you Welsh-Italian-English-German-Mongolian freak.

[Guru_Too_You]

Excellent, we need as many as possible, hope you'll continue in the predictions league as well.
I know man.

Movin from Boston to New York.

Havent had too much free time.

Done with mine in a few minutes.....

Lamps, did you run the spreadsheet already?

[Lampley]

I know man.

Movin from Boston to New York.

Havent had too much free time.

Done with mine in a few minutes.....

Lamps, did you run the spreadsheet already?

Nope. Waiting on you and China_Hand_Joe.

And send an email too, if you can. Won't take but a sec. The fate of several posters lies in your capable hands!

[Guru_Too_You]

Nope. Waiting on you and China_Hand_Joe.

And send an email too, if you can. Won't take but a sec. The fate of several posters lies in your capable hands!
I will send the e-mail for there are a few great posters that I would support joining the committee. I'm bustin ass tryin to get the lower weights done.

Here's what I got so far:

Pound for Pound:
Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquaio
Bernard Hopkins
Juan Manuel Marquez
Joe Calzaghe
Israel Vazquez
Miguel Cotto
Ricky Hatton
Ivan Calderon
Kelly Pavlik

Heavyweight:
Champion: Vacant
Wladimir Klitschko
Ruslan Chagaev
Alexander Povetkin
Samuel Peter
Sultan Ibragimov
Oleg Maskaev
Tony Thompson
Nicolay Valuev
Sergei Lyakhovic
Vladimir Virchis

Cruiserweight:
Champion: J.M. Mormeck
O'Neil Bell
David Haye
Enzo Macarrinelli
Steve Cunningham
Marco Huck
Tomacz Adamek
Vadim Tokarev
Darnell Wilson
Firat Arslan
Krzystof Wlodarczyk

Light Heavyweight:
Champion: Bernard Hopkins
Chad Dawson
Clinton Woods
Antonio Tarver
Glen Johnson
Zsolt Erdei
Paul Briggs
Roy Jones Jr
Adrian Diaconu
Stipe Drews

Super Middleweight:
Champion: Joe Calzaghe
Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine
Lucian Bute
Carl Froch
Jeff Lacy
Edison Miranda
Alejandro Berrio
Librado Andrade
Dennis Inkin
Allan Green

Middleweight:
Champion: Kelly Pavlik
Jermain Taylor
Arthur Abraham
Winky Wright
Felix Sturm
Cory Spinks
Roman Karmazin
John Duddy
Kassim Ouma
Sebastian Sylvester
Mario Natalio Carrera

Light Middleweight:
Champion: Vacant
Sergiy Dzinziruk
Oscar De La Hoya
Cory Spinks
Joachim Alcine
Travis Simms
Daniel Santos
Vernon Forrest
Ike Quartey
Jose Antonio Rivera
Sechew Powell

Welterweight:
Champion: Floyd Mayweather
Miguel Cotto
Shane Mosely
Paul Williams
Luis Collazo
Kermit Cintron
Antonio Margarito
Joshua Clottey
Andre Berto
Zab Judah
Carlos Quintana

Junior Welterweight:
Champion: Ricky Hatton
Paulie Malignaggi
Junior Witter
Ricardo Torres
Andres Kotelnik
Gavin Rees
Kendall Holt
Vivian Harris
Lovemore N’Dou
Hermann Ngoudjo
Jose Luis Castillo

Lightweight:
Champion: Vacant
Joel Casamayor
Juan Diaz
Julio Diaz
Nate Campbell
Michael Katsidis
Zahir Raheem
David Diaz
Almazbek Raiymkulov
Yuri Romanov
Acelino Freitas

Super Featherweight:
Champion: Vacant
Manny Pacquaio
Juan Manuel Marquez
Joan Guzman
Humberto Soto
Marco Antonio Barrera
Edwin Valero
Jorge Rodrigo Barrios
Alex Arthur
Manuel Medina
Mzonke Fana

Featherweights:
Champion: Vacant
Chris John
Jorge Linares
Rocky Juarez
Steven Luevano
Robert Guerrero
Jorge Solis
Orlando Salido
Kiroyuki Enoki
Hector Velasquez
Thomas Mashaba

Super Bantamweights:
Champion: Israel Vazquez
Rafael Marquez
Celestino Caballero
Daniel Ponce De Leon
Somsak Sithchatchawal
Steve Molitor
Napapol Kiatisakchokchai
Ricardo Cordoba
Kiko Martinez
Mike Oliver
Weytha Sakmuangklang

Rest coming in a moment.

[China_hand_Joe]

Nope. Waiting on you and China_Hand_Joe.

And send an email too, if you can. Won't take but a sec. The fate of several posters lies in your capable hands!

Don't wait on me.

The Bernard Hopkins situation is intolarable for me.

[Guru_Too_You]

And the rest:


Bantamweights:
Champion: Vacant
Gerry Penalosa
Hozumi Hasegawa
Jhonny Gonzalez
Wladimir Sidorenko
Martin Castillo
Silence Mabuza
Jorge Arce
Simone Maludrottu
Alejandro Valdez
Lorrenzo Parra

Super Flyweights:
Champion: Vacant
Cristian Mijares
Alexander Munoz
Fernando Montiel
Nobuo Nashiro
Z Gorres
Jose Navarro
Kohei Kono
Pamuansak Posuwan
AJ Banal

Flyweight:
Champion: Vacant
Nonito Donaire
Takefumi Sakata
Roberto Vazquez
Vic Darchynian
Daisuke Naito
Pongsaklek Wongjongkam
Luis Maldanado
Omar Andres Narvaes
Koki Komeda
Raul Martinez

And I don’t have the confidence to go any lower than flyweight. I would obviously put Calderon and Solies ahead of the pack, but beyond that I would prefer not to rank them. And I'm not even going to get into mimimumweight.

[Lampley]

Thanks, Guru.

That'll wrap up voting for this month. It'll take me some time to do the scoring, so you can still email (see the first post on the thread) your votes for the new members.

When I say your vote will count, I mean it really will count.