Sam Peters a fraud and I bought into it!

[box03]

Sam Peter got decked 3 times by a guy that couldnt hold Wlads jock, maybe all this time I been fooled by Sam Peters so called "power" and his "Invincible chin", both fell at the waist tonite. Yes I had Peter winning the fight by a point or two at the end, but the damage was already done and I will never look at Sam Peter the same way again. Im a man of word, I betted Sam Peter would knockout or stop Mccline within 12 rounds and I lost by a mile and then some. El Bombasto, Sam Peter is a fraud in my eyes and most of the people that watched the fight tonite, Wlad is the man and there aint nobody that could touch him in the Heavywieght division. I will leave ESB as I said I would, and I will come back in a month with a new attitude towards Wlad, I will reply to a few posts and Im gone for month which sucks dick for me.

[brooklyn1550]

Agreed....Samuel Peter is a good heavyweight, but nothing like he was built up to be. I bought into the hype.

[box03]

Well, I told ya so.:D When I was watching the fight I could believe he got floored 3 times, how can a guy take Wlads punches and not Mcclines. Im done with the heavywieght division, this hurt a little less than when Brewster got beat down by Wlad the 2nd time though.

[CHEF]

I told ya......I feel he needs a better trainer to become a better fighter....all the hype came from the KO's...but all along I kept saying the KO's were against level "B" and "C" fighters. Put Peter in with Level "A" fighters and he has trouble

[KobeIsGod]

Sam Peter got decked 3 times by a guy that couldnt hold Wlads jock, maybe all this time I been fooled by Sam Peters so called "power" and his "Invincible chin", both fell at the waist tonite. Yes I had Peter winning the fight by a point or two at the end, but the damage was already done and I will never look at Sam Peter the same way again. Im a man of word, I betted Sam Peter would knockout or stop Mccline within 12 rounds and I lost by a mile and then some. El Bombasto, Sam Peter is a fraud in my eyes and most of the people that watched the fight tonite, Wlad is the man and there aint nobody that could touch him in the Heavywieght division. I will leave ESB as I said I would, and I will come back in a month with a new attitude towards Wlad, I will reply to a few posts and Im gone for month which sucks dick for me.

i guess that is what's called raising the white flag :yep imo, its peter's ego and training as much as the beating from wlad that has hurt him. i think he can be a major player but only if he takes his head out of his ass. and what is the bs saying he's the best hw. man, be humble and call a spade a spade. see, here's the big difference between wlad and peter. wlad is a professional, humble and works his ass off while peter and his slimbag henchmen run their mouths.

[Zakman]

I told ya......I feel he needs a better trainer to become a better fighter....

That's the KEY right there. I can't BELIEVE they haven't dismissed that clown "Pops" Anderson and gotten a REAL trainer. :patsch

This said, as a Peter fan, I'm certainly disappointed. Maybe hand injuries had something to do with it, but he should never have struggled

What I'll say is this - maybe Peter isn't quite a good as some of us thought, but I don't think he's as bad as some have been saying either.

Personally, I hope he rebounds - and he's still young, so he has the time to do it.

[DaveyScan]

Wlad destroyed his chin in that 12th round.

:D

[He Hate Me]

Any links to the fight please post.

[box03]

i guess that is what's called raising the white flag :yep imo, its peter's ego and training as much as the beating from wlad that has hurt him. i think he can be a major player but only if he takes his head out of his ass. and what is the bs saying he's the best hw. man, be humble and call a spade a spade. see, here's the big difference between wlad and peter. wlad is a professional, humble and works his ass off while peter and his slimbag henchmen run their mouths. Other than Wlad accusuing Brewster of poisoning him during there first fight, I thought that was pretty messed up, other than that I agree.

[geppy]

That's the KEY right there. I can't BELIEVE they haven't dismissed that clown "Pops" Anderson and gotten a REAL trainer. :patsch

This said, as a Peter fan, I'm certainly disappointed. Maybe hand injuries had something to do with it, but he should never have struggled

What I'll say is this - maybe Peter isn't quite a good as some of us thought, but I don't think he's as bad as some have been saying either.

Personally, I hope he rebounds - and he's still young, so he has the time to do it.


Did you not call Mccline a bum, and a disgrace for Valuev to fight him? WTF now? Valuev was winning the fight , while it lasted 4 rounds , Peter was on ass 3 times and just barely survived being KO'd.

[China_hand_Joe]

Americans all bought into him because he beat Toney.

Toney is the most overrated fighter of the past decade amongst Americans and that was passed onto Peter. Despite the fact Toney was old and a 5"9 former middleweight. Americans all wanted to believe Toney was some kind of defensive genius and Peter was somehow skilled for beating him. It was a joke that fight had even odds on both fighters. Thank mass stupidity planted by the boxing media for that.

James Toney is a league or two below the likes of Jones, Calzaghe, Hopkins. I never again want to hear his name mention amongst the best of the last decade in boxing.

[Thom]

Did you not call Mccline a bum, and a disgrace for Valuev to fight him? WTF now? Valuev was winning the fight , while it lasted 4 rounds , Peter was on ass 3 times and just barely survived being KO'd.

Let's play the common opponent game with Wlad. McCline did a hell of a lot more damage to Peter than Wlad did w/o running, does that mean that Jameel is superior?

[madpup]

Americans all bought into him because he beat Toney.

Toney is the most overrated fighter of the past decade amongst Americans and that was passed onto Peter. Despite the fact Toney was old and a 5"9 former middleweight. Americans all wanted to believe Toney was some kind of defensive genius and Peter was somehow skilled for beating him. It was a joke that fight had even odds on both fighters. Thank mass stupidity planted by the boxing media for that.

James Toney is a league or two below the likes of Jones, Calzaghe, Hopkins. I never again want to hear his name mention amongst the best of the last decade in boxing.

Its all an American conspiracy!!! You are fucking wackjob.

[Thom]

Americans all bought into him because he beat Toney.

Toney is the most overrated fighter of the past decade amongst Americans and that was passed onto Peter. Despite the fact Toney was old and a 5"9 former middleweight. Americans all wanted to believe Toney was some kind of defensive genius and Peter was somehow skilled for beating him. It was a joke that fight had even odds on both fighters. Thank mass stupidity planted by the boxing media for that.

James Toney is a league or two below the likes of Jones, Calzaghe, Hopkins. I never again want to hear his name mention amongst the best of the last decade in boxing.
The way that you employ irony in your posts is brilliant, truly.

[box03]

Americans all bought into him because he beat Toney.

Toney is the most overrated fighter of the past decade amongst Americans and that was passed onto Peter. Despite the fact Toney was old and a 5"9 former middleweight. Americans all wanted to believe Toney was some kind of defensive genius and Peter was somehow skilled for beating him. It was a joke that fight had even odds on both fighters. Thank mass stupidity planted by the boxing media for that.

James Toney is a league or two below the likes of Jones, Calzaghe, Hopkins. I never again want to hear his name mention amongst the best of the last decade in boxing. While I think the guys you named our better than Toney, there not 2 leagues ahead of him. Toney beat good Heavywieghts and former champions like Guinn, Holyfield, Ruiz, and had a draw with Rahman. He is great fighter that was sucessful in what 4 divisons thats something to be proud of.

[geppy]

Let's play the common opponent game with Wlad. McCline did a hell of a lot more damage to Peter than Wlad did w/o running, does that mean that Jameel is superior?


I am pretty sure he and Amsterdam claimed that mccline was shit, and it was a disgrace for Valuev to give him a title shot . The only question I am asking is what does that make Peter, if Mccline is bad as they claimed he is?

[madpup]

As for this topic. I don't know if fraud is a good word. Peter just wants to make the best living for himself, and it involves hyping himself up and he has done a good job of it. Lots of boxers have done so, and it is nothing unusual.

What was frustrating is so many people claiming that Peter is a legitimate number 2 heavyweight, when he hasnt really done shit and when his shortcoming are so obvious. This fight will put things to bed hopefully for most logical fans. Chagaev is clearly miles above him. The thing is all the other champ (Maskaev, Ibragimov) havent really done shit either, so whilst they are far more skillfull than Peter, it is still hard to rank them much above Peter.

[China_hand_Joe]

Its all an American conspiracy!!! You are fucking wackjob.

I'll give the American boxing media and Don King etc credit. Only they could establish a HW as a big name based on a victory over a 39 year old middleweight.

And only American fans could possibly buy into it.

[box03]

How was peter's stamina tonight? Was the weight issue as big a deal as I thought it would be, or was his stamina alright for this fight? His stamina was fine, Mcclines on the other hand wasnt. If Mccline could of kept himself together he might of knocked him out.

[Carlos Primera]

That's the KEY right there. I can't BELIEVE they haven't dismissed that clown "Pops" Anderson and gotten a REAL trainer. :patsch

This said, as a Peter fan, I'm certainly disappointed. Maybe hand injuries had something to do with it, but he should never have struggled

What I'll say is this - maybe Peter isn't quite a good as some of us thought, but I don't think he's as bad as some have been saying either.

Personally, I hope he rebounds - and he's still young, so he has the time to do it.
ayatollah, does his chin need to be reassesed?

[Scar]

That's the KEY right there. I can't BELIEVE they haven't dismissed that clown "Pops" Anderson and gotten a REAL trainer. :patsch

This said, as a Peter fan, I'm certainly disappointed. Maybe hand injuries had something to do with it, but he should never have struggled

What I'll say is this - maybe Peter isn't quite a good as some of us thought, but I don't think he's as bad as some have been saying either.

Personally, I hope he rebounds - and he's still young, so he has the time to do it.

:good

[Thom]

I am pretty sure he and Amsterdam claimed that mccline was shit, and it was a disgrace for Valuev to give him a title shot . The only question I am asking is what does that make Peter, if Mccline is bad as they claimed he is?
I think McCline is shit too. The guy shouldn't be fighting for any titles and sure as hell shoudn't have been Peter's replacement opponent tonight. Whoever, the facts are that Wlad and Peter did in fact fight, and McCline did more damage without running away from Peter's looping punches. If McCline could floor the guy three times, why couldn't Wlad end the fight when Peter was too tired to throw a punch anywhere near him. Peter was winging hooks in that fight that were literally missing by feet. I'm sorry, but I confused by all of the people who are thumping their chests after Peter's display tonight, yet still praising Wlad for his performance against the purported "HW saviour."

Sam Peter is grossly overrated, and so is the rest of the division (by some).

[2smart4u]

:smoke As Ive stated in the past PETER wasnt the same fighter after the VLAD beating ! Tonight kindov conferms it !:deal

[madpup]

From what I heard Peter lacks dedication in training. For all his heart, I can not see him rebound. On today's performance could you seriously see Peter do anything against someone like Chagaev or Ibarimov, both of whom have superior skills and stamina to him together with an decent ability to take a punch?

[2smart4u]

From what I heard Peter lacks dedication in training. For all his heart, I can not see him rebound. On today's performance could you seriously see Peter do anything against someone like Chagaev or Ibarimov, both of whom have superior skills and stamina to him together with an decent ability to take a punch?:smoke Macline is a massive guy and that changes the dynamics of a fight and a fighter !:good

[Zakman]

Did you not call Mccline a bum, and a disgrace for Valuev to fight him? WTF now? Valuev was winning the fight , while it lasted 4 rounds , Peter was on ass 3 times and just barely survived being KO'd.

I didn't call him a bum. I said he was "feather-fisted":oops: - and I STILL think so. :yepAfter this - and I say this as a fan of Peter's - there are some serious questions about his punch resistance, frankly. :nod

It remains to be seen how he answers this question in future fights. For the record, I STILL think he knocks out Makaev - although I've probably gone from 99 percent certain to 75 percent!!!:scaredas:

[box03]

I see, thanks for the reply.;)

Though I still think Peter might benefit from coming into his fights at a leaner weight. It woukd allow him to be quicker and more mobile. He was coming into fights in the 230's up until he started getting noticed and making a little money, and I don't think that's just a coincidence. Peters chin was his biggest problem tonite, and the fact that his power is overrated.

[Zakman]

ayatollah, does his chin need to be reassesed?

Yes. And do note that I have in the post above. But those who are saying - with typical boxing fan hyperbole - that he has a "glass jaw" are going WAY overboard.

Yes, there are questions about his chin now. Yes, it is clear that it is not the "granite" beard that many of thought. But it sure ain't grade A china, either.

Guys with glass jaws knocked cold - think Fraudley against Sprott. Peter got up - and won.:yep

[Thom]

Yes. And do note that I have in the post above. But those who are saying - with typical boxing fan hyperbole - that he has a "glass jaw" are going WAY overboard.

Yes, there are questions about his chin now. Yes, it is clear that it is not the "granite" beard that many of thought. But it sure ain't grade A china, either.

Guys with glass jaws knocked cold - think Fraudley against Sprott. Peter got up - and won.:yep
:rofl Look who's fucking talking. :lol:

[madpup]

Yes. And do note that I have in the post above. But those who are saying - with typical boxing fan hyperbole - that he has a "glass jaw" are going WAY overboard.

.:yep

You turned that hyperbole into an art form.

[Ambition_Def]

What happened is he thought he was invincible. He started to believe too much in his durability and made the worst mistake any heavyweight can make, which is walking in with your hands down.

McCline is not a monster puncher or finisher, but he is 6'6 and 260lbs. Walking into his punches is not a good idea.

There is a reason why guys like McCall have never been dropped. And that is because they keep their hands up walking in. You'll never catch McCall making the mistake Sam made tonight. And you can chalk that up to inexperience and a little bit of over confidence.

However I will maintain that Robert Ortega did a disgustingly bad job in this one. The excessive clinching was as evident in this as the Waldo fiasco. Should Sam Peter ever expect to get a fair shake against big men, my suggestion is to steer well clear of MSG. Whose namesake saw John Ruiz become a champion and has continued this awful trend of letting big men lean and wrestle with smaller men inside.

I'm glad all the bandwagoneers are jumping ship. This test will prove who really knows what they are talking about. When Sam rebounds and rebounds big you'll all look foolish. He made a mistake and fought his heart out to correct it, which he did. Time will tell.

[box03]

Funny how his two biggest physical assets falied him tonight. Even if he lost tonight I wasn't expecting talk like this to arise. Oh well, I always thought he was overrated... bring on David Tua. He'll smash this chump in half. :yep Only in the heavywieght division shit like this happens, just like when Vitali lost to Lewis yeah he won the fight, but people started questioning how great he was at the time and he never came back to answer us.

[madpup]

Ambition-Def.....ref was bad n not picking up on the clinching, but not the low blows? What excuse are you going to find for Peter for doing that?

[Ambition_Def]

Ambition-Def.....ref was bad n not picking up on the clinching, but not the low blows? What excuse are you going to find for Peter for doing that?

I suggest you watch Ruiz vs Johnson. That'll show you how you intentionally draw low blows.

[box03]

What happened is he thought he was invincible. He started to believe too much in his durability and made the worst mistake any heavyweight can make, which is walking in with your hands down.

McCline is not a monster puncher or finisher, but he is 6'6 and 260lbs. Walking into his punches is not a good idea.

There is a reason why guys like McCall have never been dropped. And that is because they keep their hands up walking in. You'll never catch McCall making the mistake Sam made tonight. And you can chalk that up to inexperience and a little bit of over confidence.

However I will maintain that Robert Ortega did a disgustingly bad job in this one. The excessive clinching was as evident in this as the Waldo fiasco. Should Sam Peter ever expect to get a fair shake against big men, my suggestion is to steer well clear of MSG. Whose namesake saw John Ruiz become a champion and has continued this awful trend of letting big men lean and wrestle with smaller men inside.

I'm glad all the bandwagoneers are jumping ship. This test will prove who really knows what they are talking about. When Sam rebounds and rebounds big you'll all look foolish. He made a mistake and fought his heart out to correct it, which he did. Time will tell. It was part of my deal with El Bombasto to talk shit on Peter if he loses, I am disappointed in Peter but in this division one big win and your back on top again. Just ask Shannon Briggs he beat one quality oppenent and he was a title holder, I havent lost faith I just had to be brought back to reality, that Peter isnt what I thought he was.

[Zakman]

You turned that hyperbole into an art form.

Why, thank you......I think!:lol::lol:

[SevenSamurai]

I'll give the American boxing media and Don King etc credit. Only they could establish a HW as a big name based on a victory over a 39 year old middleweight.

And only American fans could possibly buy into it.

That is a classic statement right there and so true.

Peter was always a limited fighter, hyped to the maximum by the American boxing media as a challenger to the evil Euro's like Wlad and co.:deal

[tillman78]

Peters "TRUE AGE" is catching up with him!!!!!!

[Cruiser1]

Maybe I'm just trying to save face here but I saw Peter win about 8 or 9 rounds in this fight and recover from 3 knockdowns. It's disappointing cuz alot of us thought as Peter as being a real monster in there but in the end he got out with the belt and lives to fight another day. A loss would have been absolutely devastating for him. That uppercut really hurt him. I thought it was just a slip at the end of the round but seeing the replay made me think to myself "oh shit."

I felt bad for McCline here cuz this was his last chance and though I don't feel he did enough to win I gotta tip my hat to him for giving everything he had. This after that knee injury. Damn. Boxing is a tough business.

[El Diablo]

Do any of you guys think that McCline should get a rematch? Or is Peter just to slick for him. :huh

[El Bombasto]

Sam Peter got decked 3 times by a guy that couldnt hold Wlads jock, maybe all this time I been fooled by Sam Peters so called "power" and his "Invincible chin", both fell at the waist tonite. Yes I had Peter winning the fight by a point or two at the end, but the damage was already done and I will never look at Sam Peter the same way again. Im a man of word, I betted Sam Peter would knockout or stop Mccline within 12 rounds and I lost by a mile and then some. El Bombasto, Sam Peter is a fraud in my eyes and most of the people that watched the fight tonite, Wlad is the man and there aint nobody that could touch him in the Heavywieght division. I will leave ESB as I said I would, and I will come back in a month with a new attitude towards Wlad, I will reply to a few posts and Im gone for month which sucks dick for me.

you kept your word and i respect that. i'll look forward to reading your posts next month.

[El Bombasto]

i guess that is what's called raising the white flag :yep imo, its peter's ego and training as much as the beating from wlad that has hurt him. i think he can be a major player but only if he takes his head out of his ass. and what is the bs saying he's the best hw. man, be humble and call a spade a spade. see, here's the big difference between wlad and peter. wlad is a professional, humble and works his ass off while peter and his slimbag henchmen run their mouths.

honestly, i don't think wlad did much to damage peter's chin. even if wlad landed bombs all night, one fight usually doesn't do enough damage to wreck a fighter like that. what seems more reasonable to me is that peter finally ran into a guy that didn't give a f&ck, and thus, was exposed

[letsrun4it]

I never bought the hype on Sam Peter, I have heard the "guy with unbelievable power" angle too many times...show me someone with a good amat career, a top promoter, and a good trainer....

This is not to say I'm some kind of expert..I thought Jason Litzau (this is about 2 years ago) was going to be the next Ray Leonard

[Max Molyneux]

How was the fight scored that wide for Peter when McCline scored 3 knockdowns?

[El Bombasto]

I never bought the hype on Sam Peter, I have heard the "guy with unbelievable power" angle too many times...show me someone with a good amat career, a top promoter, and a good trainer....

This is not to say I'm some kind of expert..I thought Jason Litzau (this is about 2 years ago) was going to be the next Ray Leonard

i never though litzau would be a great fighter, but i also never expected him to go full litzau either. and by 'full litzau' i mean he's such a bust that he's created an entire new category of disapointment.

[natep]

I don't understand how Sam Peter can take Wlad's shots for 12 rounds and not get hurt until he is really gassed out and was Dropped three times by Mccline.

[2smart4u]

:hey I told you all he regressed aftyer VLAD beat him !

[2smart4u]

I don't understand how Sam Peter can take Wlad's shots for 12 rounds and not get hurt until he is really gassed out and was Dropped three times by Mccline.:hi: Upercuts to the CHIN as oosed to jabs and straight rights to the forhead !

[Mendoza]

I didn't call him a bum. I said he was "feather-fisted":oops: - and I STILL think so. :yepAfter this - and I say this as a fan of Peter's - there are some serious questions about his punch resistance, frankly. :nod

It remains to be seen how he answers this question in future fights. For the record, I STILL think he knocks out Makaev - although I've probably gone from 99 percent certain to 75 percent!!!:scaredas:

Zakman,

Maskev hit muchs harder than McCline. Maskev looks to be 50-50 vs Peter right now.

[Bummy Davis]

Zakman,

Maskev hit muchs harder than McCline. Maskev looks to be 50-50 vs Peter right now.



I agree

[0-1]

I think this does make Maskaev-Peter a much more interesting fight than it looked before. Unfortunately for Maskaev, he probably gets less of the purse with Peter now apparently holding some of the belt, but it ought to be a decent enough purse, because it looks like a very interesting fight. If only Maskaev wasn't so old and slow...

[24barrels]

Its time for Peter to retire. He fought stiff opposition, held the title for some time. There is nothing more to achieve for him. Hang em up, champ!

[cross_trainer]

:smoke As Ive stated in the past PETER wasnt the same fighter after the VLAD beating ! Tonight kindov conferms it !:deal

He actually looked a little more skilled last night (technically, not in terms of beating McCline) than he did against Klitschko. Better headmovement and his punches were a little crisper.

On the other hand, he nearly got knocked out by McCline, so I'm inclined to agree that his chin may have suffered from Klitschko's punches.

[NBT]

There is a reason why guys like McCall have never been dropped. And that is because they keep their hands up walking in. You'll never catch McCall making the mistake Sam made tonight.
But you can catch him flush with his hand down, walking aimlessly in the ring, crying, when he is fresh out of rehab. :yep

[joe the great]

Probably another good experience for Peter. Wonder ho he'll do against Maskev?

[ralphc]

Agreed....Samuel Peter is a good heavyweight, but nothing like he was built up to be. I bought into the hype.


The only reason you "bought into the hype" is because you don't know enough about boxing to see Peter's obvious lack of talent. When a man gets hit so easily it is because he doesn't know how to defend himself. When he is gasping for breath in the 4th round it is because he isn't in shape for the fight. Peter threw an uppercut at Klitschko and missed him by about 6 feet. That is probably a world record!!! He is one of the least skilled boxers in the world today.

Sam Peter is a puncher and he can hit hard. Any of his opponents will tell you that.

[Amsterdam]

Probably another good experience for Peter. Wonder ho he'll do against Maskev?

Maskaev still has little chance. McCline has better legs, is much bigger, much quicker and McCline really, really has a fantastic chin, the guy doesn't have a great defence(better than Maskaev by a bit) and has absorbed monster shots from big punchers.

If it means anything, McCline was definitley 'on' last night and may have been roided up to the max, but we'll see about that, but it was a good version of McCline.

Maskaev does not match up well to Peter, is too slow to throw effective combinations and is more Peter's height with a bad defence and Peter can time some haymakers and get him out of there early.

Maskaev may be the most overrated operator around currently. Maskaev probably doesn't beat McCline for that matter, or Calvin Brock either.

Peter KO 2. Still, this changes nothing about that match up, it only changes perspectives on Peter vs. Chagaev and a Klitschko rematch.

[Amsterdam]

The only reason you "bought into the hype" is because you don't know enough about boxing to see Peter's obvious lack of talent. When a man gets hit so easily it is because he doesn't know how to defend himself. When he is gasping for breath in the 4th round it is because he isn't in shape for the fight. Peter threw an uppercut at Klitschko and missed him by about 6 feet. That is probably a world record!!! He is one of the least skilled boxers in the world today.

Sam Peter is a puncher and he can hit hard. Any of his opponents will tell you that.

Brooklyn1550 is one of the most knowledgable posters on the site, everyone gets excited and buys into something every now and then, for anyone to question Brooklyn's knowledge of the sport is ridiculous and I am personally disgusted.

He comes on here with class at all times and posts impartially as he see's it and has made good pick after good pick and has showcased excellent insight and analysation.

You sir, can fuckoff proper.:good

[RUSKULL]

Sam Peter got decked 3 times by a guy that couldnt hold Wlads jock, maybe all this time I been fooled by Sam Peters so called "power" and his "Invincible chin", both fell at the waist tonite. Yes I had Peter winning the fight by a point or two at the end, but the damage was already done and I will never look at Sam Peter the same way again. Im a man of word, I betted Sam Peter would knockout or stop Mccline within 12 rounds and I lost by a mile and then some. El Bombasto, Sam Peter is a fraud in my eyes and most of the people that watched the fight tonite, Wlad is the man and there aint nobody that could touch him in the Heavywieght division. I will leave ESB as I said I would, and I will come back in a month with a new attitude towards Wlad, I will reply to a few posts and Im gone for month which sucks dick for me.

It takes a man to admit when you're wrong and I bought into the Peter hype in the beginning myself. Ironically I was converted after he beat Toney the 2nd time, the same Toney who barely beat a journeyman in his very next fight. Sam should've been able to KO or TKO James in that fight since he landed so many flush shots. His power just wasn't what it was made out to be.

[RUSKULL]

Let's play the common opponent game with Wlad. McCline did a hell of a lot more damage to Peter than Wlad did w/o running, does that mean that Jameel is superior?

Obviously not since Wladimir already TKO'd Jameel..............

Wlad's punches just softened up Peter's coconut of a head. Wladimir would've KO'd Peter last night, not a TKO either. I believe Wlad hits harder, throws faster & with better combinations. He's also used a new uppercut in his recent fight and that's the punch that initially put Peter on his ass.

[RUSKULL]

Brooklyn1550 is one of the most knowledgable posters on the site, everyone gets excited and buys into something every now and then, for anyone to question Brooklyn's knowledge of the sport is ridiculous and I am personally disgusted.

He comes on here with class at all times and posts impartially as he see's it and has made good pick after good pick and has showcased excellent insight and analysation.

You sir, can fuckoff proper.:good

Brooklyn1550 is a great poster with good boxing knowledge, I agree.

[El Bombasto]

Probably another good experience for Peter. Wonder ho he'll do against Maskev?

do you think his promoters will allow that fight to happen after last night?

[geppy]

Maskaev still has little chance. McCline has better legs, is much bigger, much quicker and McCline really, really has a fantastic chin, the guy doesn't have a great defence(better than Maskaev by a bit) and has absorbed monster shots from big punchers.

If it means anything, McCline was definitley 'on' last night and may have been roided up to the max, but we'll see about that, but it was a good version of McCline.

Maskaev does not match up well to Peter, is too slow to throw effective combinations and is more Peter's height with a bad defence and Peter can time some haymakers and get him out of there early.

Maskaev may be the most overrated operator around currently. Maskaev probably doesn't beat McCline for that matter, or Calvin Brock either.

Peter KO 2. Still, this changes nothing about that match up, it only changes perspectives on Peter vs. Chagaev and a Klitschko rematch.


You thought Mccline was total shit when Valuev was scheduled to defend his title against him. Remember that, I sure do? You thought Valuev was fighting an easy, undeserving challenger. Wow , how you have changed your tune, to fit your agenda! You are such a tool, shut up.

[PJD3]

Sam Peter got decked 3 times by a guy that couldnt hold Wlads jock, maybe all this time I been fooled by Sam Peters so called "power" and his "Invincible chin", both fell at the waist tonite. Yes I had Peter winning the fight by a point or two at the end, but the damage was already done and I will never look at Sam Peter the same way again. Im a man of word, I betted Sam Peter would knockout or stop Mccline within 12 rounds and I lost by a mile and then some. El Bombasto, Sam Peter is a fraud in my eyes and most of the people that watched the fight tonite, Wlad is the man and there aint nobody that could touch him in the Heavywieght division. I will leave ESB as I said I would, and I will come back in a month with a new attitude towards Wlad, I will reply to a few posts and Im gone for month which sucks dick for me.
Not too many guys would straight-up admitt when they are wrong, and give credit to right man like you did.
One month would suck though.

[Amsterdam]

You thought Mccline was total shit when Valuev was scheduled to defend his title against him. Remember that, I sure do? You thought Valuev was fighting an easy, undeserving challenger. Wow , how you have changed your tune, to fit your agenda! You are such a tool, shut up.

I thought Valuev was total shit, did you know that I actually gave McCline a good chance? Claimed he'd have been the best test that Valuev had yet?

Had it not been for the knee, who knows, he was coming on.

Don't confuse me with another poster.

[geppy]

I thought Valuev was total shit, did you know that I actually gave McCline a good chance? Claimed he'd have been the best test that Valuev had yet?

Had it not been for the knee, who knows, he was coming on.

Don't confuse me with another poster.


Ok, so you thought Valuev was total shit, and was taking easy fights. And werent sure that Mccline could beat him, but thought he would be his best test. Pretty much you thought mccline was shit as well, and another undesreving title challanger, but a little better then the others . Now you act like Mccline is superman that Peter fought him . You seriously are a tool.

[Amsterdam]

Ok, so you thought Valuev was total shit, and was taking easy fights. And werent sure that Mccline could beat him, but thought he would be his best test. Pretty much you thought mccline was shit as well, and another undesreving title challanger, but a little better then the others . Now you act like Mccline is superman that Peter fought him . You seriously are a tool.

You are misreading what I am saying, completely.

I have said that McCline is nothing special and that this brings a new perspective to Peter's standing, however, I was talking about in relation to Maskaev/Peter, which is still an easy Peter knockout win and how McCline is wholly different than Maskaev from every point.

I am not acting like McCline is anything more than he is.

[BigReg]

Sam Peter got decked 3 times by a guy that couldnt hold Wlads jock, maybe all this time I been fooled by Sam Peters so called "power" and his "Invincible chin", both fell at the waist tonite. Yes I had Peter winning the fight by a point or two at the end, but the damage was already done and I will never look at Sam Peter the same way again. Im a man of word, I betted Sam Peter would knockout or stop Mccline within 12 rounds and I lost by a mile and then some. El Bombasto, Sam Peter is a fraud in my eyes and most of the people that watched the fight tonite, Wlad is the man and there aint nobody that could touch him in the Heavywieght division. I will leave ESB as I said I would, and I will come back in a month with a new attitude towards Wlad, I will reply to a few posts and Im gone for month which sucks dick for me.

So Peter is garbage because he got decked 3 times by an inferior fighter. Well Peter decked Wlad 3 times, so what does that make Wlad?

[BoxingGuru]

Maskaev still has little chance. McCline has better legs, is much bigger, much quicker and McCline really, really has a fantastic chin, the guy doesn't have a great defence(better than Maskaev by a bit) and has absorbed monster shots from big punchers.

If it means anything, McCline was definitley 'on' last night and may have been roided up to the max, but we'll see about that, but it was a good version of McCline.

Maskaev does not match up well to Peter, is too slow to throw effective combinations and is more Peter's height with a bad defence and Peter can time some haymakers and get him out of there early.

Maskaev may be the most overrated operator around currently. Maskaev probably doesn't beat McCline for that matter, or Calvin Brock either.

Peter KO 2. Still, this changes nothing about that match up, it only changes perspectives on Peter vs. Chagaev and a Klitschko rematch.


No way no how Peter knocks out Maskev. You're still buying into the fact that he knocked out bums, well that time is over.

[BigReg]

No way no how Peter knocks out Maskev. You're still buying into the fact that he knocked out bums, well that time is over.

Maskaev has been KO'd five times already, so he doesn't exactly have an iron chin and a great defense. Maskaev doesn't have the height or the reach to keep Peter off of him. I think Knocks him out

[madpup]

Maskaev has been KO'd five times already, so he doesn't exactly have an iron chin and a great defense. Maskaev doesn't have the height or the reach to keep Peter off of him. I think Knocks him out

Compared to Mcline, Maskaev has more power, better stamina and better offensive skills (marginally).

He should be the favourite IMO.

[Ambition_Def]

If I remember right the ref stopped the McCall - Lewis fight because McCall wasn't defending himself and crying. It was a TKO win for Lewis anyways. But McCall clearly didn't get hit enough to dent his defenseless chin.

Anyways my opinion of McCline hasn't changed. He had a golden opportunity last night and didn't capitalize. He is a fringe contender at best. Sam just did not respect his power like he did Waldo and paid for it. The fact that Sam Peter outboxed him after getting decked three times should tell you all you need to know about McCline.

That said, do not expect Sam Peter to walk through Maskaev or Waldo's shots. His hands were much higher against Waldo and he blocked with his gloves and forearms. He'll do the same in a rematch.

Also Maskaev is flat footed and has no footwork. He won't grab on and lean on Sam all night either, which will allow the 6'1 heavy to get off reguilarly inside.

[BigReg]

If I remember right the ref stopped the McCall - Lewis fight because McCall wasn't defending himself and crying. It was a TKO win for Lewis anyways. But McCall clearly didn't get hit enough to dent his defenseless chin.

Anyways my opinion of McCline hasn't changed. He had a golden opportunity last night and didn't capitalize. He is a fringe contender at best. Sam just did not respect his power like he did Waldo and paid for it. The fact that Sam Peter outboxed him after getting decked three times should tell you all you need to know about McCline.

That said, do not expect Sam Peter to walk through Maskaev or Waldo's shots. His hands were much higher against Waldo and he blocked with his gloves and forearms. He'll do the same in a rematch.

Also Maskaev is flat footed and has no footwork. He won't grab on and lean on Sam all night either, which will allow the 6'1 heavy to get off reguilarly inside.

Glad to see some objective fans on this board. Good post

[geppy]

I am not sure Peter is any better than Rahman? Rahman has proven power and has Ko'd Lennox Lewis, Corrie Sanders, hurt and drew with Tua, in a fight most thought Rahman won. Rahman destroyed Meehan, who is on a comparable level to Mccline.

Who has Peter Ko'd? No one , and he didnt even hurt Mccline! And it was assumed that Peter had an indestructable chin, and that is not the case!

I think Peter is alot like Rahamn, and Maskaev would have a good chance of Koing him! Peter's power and chin was exaggerated by overzealous American boxing fans in look for a new hope.

[brooklyn1550]

The only reason you "bought into the hype" is because you don't know enough about boxing to see Peter's obvious lack of talent

Don't give me that shit...as if you've never been wrong about a fighter. I've been wrong about Ayala Jr, Bojado, Lacy, and now Peter.

Everybody gets somethings right and everybody gets some things wrong. That's life...

[Boinko]

I don't think the Peter hype was all that huge. It's just that the division is so bad, that it's natural to seek out fighters who might become elite.

Peter is limited, and obviously doesn't have the iron chin that a lot of people thought, but he's still a threat in the division. In fact, outside of Wlad, he might still be the best guy at heavyweight.

[ralphc]

Calling Sam Peter a "fraud" is completely ridiculous. He is what he is and what you see is what you get. He never performs at a 100%, but that makes him a bum not a fraud.

[brooklyn1550]

Calling Sam Peter a "fraud" is completely ridiculous. He is what he is and what you see is what you get. He never performs at a 100%, but that makes him a bum not a fraud.

Peter is what he is - he's a limited fighter with a lot of flaws, but provides for exciting fights. I will say that his power is overrated. He is strong and heavy handed, but he isn't a great puncher or a true KO artist.

He's not as good as some on here, including myself, were lead to believe, but he's not a "bum." You don't get off the canvas 3 times to keep your composure and win, take a beating from Klitschko and not go down, and beat James Toney twice (even if he was a fat, blown up fighter) by being a bum.

Calling a ranked professional fighter a "bum" is disrespectful to say the least.

[Lar Janus]

Styles and circumstances make fights. Peter DID win, not in expected fashion, but aren't guys allowed to have an off-night? He clearly lost to Wlad, but k'd him down 3 or 4 times, didn't he? He still has the potential to beat anyone at HW.

[Feiti]

Ruslan, if he can come back, is the man Wlad needs to beat. Forget about Peter.

[Bigcat]

A lot of very fickle posters here tonight, i guess you are very easily swayed by a bad night for a good heavyweight. Tua... He showed flaws in numerous fights.. Lewis was not rocked in fights , he was stopped, so was Tyson .. so was Wlad.. so was Holmes.. so was Mercer... The point you all miss is that Samuel won and got the bad parts of his fight behind him... I Hope Sameul comes and proves you weak constituted so called nay sayers wrong..

No one twisted anyones arm .. you were buying into a man developing and now you are buying into the thinking that he has a glass jaw.

How sad ..

[Butch Coolidge]

A lot of very fickle posters here tonight, i guess you are very easily swayed by a bad night for a good heavyweight. Tua... He showed flaws in numerous fights.. Lewis was not rocked in fights , he was stopped, so was Tyson .. so was Wlad.. so was Holmes.. so was Mercer... The point you all miss is that Samuel won and got the bad parts of his fight behind him... I Hope Sameul comes and proves you weak constituted so called nay sayers wrong..

No one twisted anyones arm .. you were buying into a man developing and now you are buying into the thinking that he has a glass jaw.

How sad ..

I agree with you and I have never been a Sam Peter fan.

[spiderricco]

Sam Peter will take his rightfull place as nothing more than a gatekeeper within a couple years.

[hmi]

This might put to rest the perception that Peter is the next big HW champion. Time to look for someone else for those who thought he is the next big thing in HW.

[AJAX]

You also have to consider that Wlad was holding back on Peter.

I agree, at that point in Wlads's carreer he was coming off those 2 brutal loses and another lose against Peter he would have had to consider retiring. So he was very cautious and if they should ever fight again I think Wlad might stop him.