Pacman had the judges bought off for him

[PowerPuncher]

A very close fight, I thought Barrera probably won (in Britain they didnt show 10-12 WHAT HAPPENED??) BUT 118-109 to Pacman??? More boxing corruption because Barrera won 1-5 and 8 for me - thats 6 rounds. No way Barrera only won 2 rounds - bought off judges tonight :twisted:

[Jersey Boxer]

I was watching both UK and HBO broadcasts and the brits had a totally different outlook on the fight...no nuthugging there... good for them...I know that barrera lost but GOD DAMN!!! that was a wide margin...HBO nuthuggers...

[Lampley]

I had it 10-2 Pac with the one 10-8 round for the penalty.

Not a close bout. Marco fought very negatively the entire time. You can't flurry twice per round and spend the rest of the three minutes avoiding confrontation and expect to win.

[Darthmage]

A very close fight, I thought Barrera probably won (in Britain they didnt show 10-12 WHAT HAPPENED??) BUT 118-109 to Pacman??? More boxing corruption because Barrera won 1-5 and 8 for me - thats 6 rounds. No way Barrera only won 2 rounds - bought off judges tonight :twisted:

PP come on man.... lol

[kg0208]

A very close fight, I thought Barrera probably won (in Britain they didnt show 10-12 WHAT HAPPENED??) BUT 118-109 to Pacman??? More boxing corruption because Barrera won 1-5 and 8 for me - thats 6 rounds. No way Barrera only won 2 rounds - bought off judges tonight :twisted:
The punch stat numbers are lopsided in favor of Pacman. Barrera never hurt him, and you had Barrera winning 6 rounds going into the 9th? I had the fight 10-1-1 for Pacman.

[Darthmage]

The punch stat numbers are lopsided in favor of Pacman. Barrera never hurt him, and you had Barrera winning 6 rounds going into the 9th?

yeah that's what struck me weird about his post.

[nulty]

A very close fight, I thought Barrera probably won (in Britain they didnt show 10-12 WHAT HAPPENED??) BUT 118-109 to Pacman??? More boxing corruption because Barrera won 1-5 and 8 for me - thats 6 rounds. No way Barrera only won 2 rounds - bought off judges tonight :twisted:

I agree. I don't know what was up with setanta losing coverage (i only signed up tonight). Maybe they have decided they'll only cover fair fights. From what I did see I saw a solid MAB performance.

[Danny Ocean]

punchstats are overated

barrera was winning until the 10th then i lost coverage so how people act like manny won 8 or 9 rounds is beyond me

[1punch1nder]

A very close fight, I thought Barrera probably won (in Britain they didnt show 10-12 WHAT HAPPENED??) BUT 118-109 to Pacman??? More boxing corruption because Barrera won 1-5 and 8 for me - thats 6 rounds. No way Barrera only won 2 rounds - bought off judges tonight :twisted:

HOW CAN HE WIN A ROUND IF HE KEEPS RUNNING?:patsch:patsch:patsch

or maybe you are watching a different fight.:yep:yep:yep

[hellblazer]

Pacquiao defeats Barrera!
By Victor Perea at ringside
Super featherweight Manny Pacquiao (44-3-2, 35 KOs) took a one-sided twelve round unanimous decision over Marco Antonio Barrera (63-5, 42 KOs) on Saturday night at the Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino in Las Vegas. Pacquiao, who previously stopped Barrera four years ago, was again the aggressor and outworked Barrera, who tried to keep the fight tactical. Barrera chose to trade in the fifth, his best round, however, for the most part "Pacman" outgunned the tentative "Baby-faced Assassin." Barrera was deducted a point for hitting after the break in round eleven, a round where Barrera sustained a cut under his right eye. Scores were 118-109, 118-109, 115-112.

[Boom_Boom]

If you had Barrera winning you are blind as a bat and need to see a doctor right away

[nervousxtian]

It was a close fight, not a good fight, but Pac won fair and square.

118-109 is bullshit, but they got the right guy winning.

Terrible fight though, Pac and Barrera both looked like shit IMHO.

[valdez]

I agree.. Im not saying he won.. But it was down to the wire..

[kg0208]

punchstats are overated

barrera was winning until the 10th then i lost coverage so how people act like manny won 8 or 9 rounds is beyond me

Punch stats are overrated to a degree....but not to the extent of dismissal. And like I said, Pacman was never hurt, and let me add, threw the harder cleaner shots.

If you land less and your punches are weaker, you scored it in favor or Barrera HOW?

[Boom_Boom]

punchstats are overated

barrera was winning until the 10th then i lost coverage so how people act like manny won 8 or 9 rounds is beyond me

ROUND 9?!??!! for Barrera?!?!?!

WTF!?!?!?!

[Guitarman]

Until certain promoters and boxing people are no longer involved, it will always be this way.

[1punch1nder]

punchstats are overated

barrera was winning until the 10th then i lost coverage so how people act like manny won 8 or 9 rounds is beyond me

:patsch

[errsta]

For all the talk of the 2 inexperience judges, the experienced judge was the only one that called it right.

HBO's cheerleading in this fight was shameless. I had Pacquiao winning, but 11 rounds to 1 is a ridiculously wide margin.

[Urban Legend]

I had pac one round up at the end of the 9th when setanta lost coverage, cunts if i didn't have a chipped cable box i'd give them an earful, so if he won the last 3 with a 10-8 thats a five point gap. 115-112 by one of the judges was about how i saw it

[loui_ludwig]

A very close fight, I thought Barrera probably won (in Britain they didnt show 10-12 WHAT HAPPENED??) BUT 118-109 to Pacman??? More boxing corruption because Barrera won 1-5 and 8 for me - thats 6 rounds. No way Barrera only won 2 rounds - bought off judges tonight :twisted:

In the 11th round, MAB got deducted points for punching when the ref was breakint themup. 12th round, Pac won it.

As far as the first 5 rounds, i had Pac winning 2 rounds while MAB 1. The other 2 rounds, hard to score, cango either way. In the whole 12 rounds, the most i can give MAB is 4 rounds.

Pac threw and landed more punches than MAB and landed the harder punches.

[Fallow]

haha, I laugh at some of the posting in this thread. I watched this fight on ******* with commentary in a language that I do not speak and I also had it 118-109. I gave Barrera rounds 1 and 5 with Pacman sweeping the rest. Marco was badly out-landed by Pacman who was the effective aggressor throughout almost the entire fight.

No controversy here, none.

[Danny Ocean]

Punch stats are overrated to a degree....but not to the extent of dismissal. And like I said, Pacman was never hurt, and let me add, threw the harder cleaner shots.

If you land less and your punches are weaker, you scored it in favor or Barrera HOW?
it doesnt matter if he wasnt hrt you score the round by different things barrera was controlling the pace jabbing and making pacquiao miss and at times was countering well the whole judging etiquette is brought into question when people are bringing punchstats in to say who they think won barrera imo won at least 4 of the first 10 rounds but thats just my opinion

ROUND 9?!??!! for Barrera?!?!?!

WTF!?!?!?!

when did i say i thought barrera won round 9 i said how people think pacquiao overally won 9 rounds is beyond me

[Jersey Boxer]

I had it 10-2 Pac with the one 10-8 round for the penalty.

Not a close bout. Marco fought very negatively the entire time. You can't flurry twice per round and spend the rest of the three minutes avoiding confrontation and expect to win.

ummmmm...lookin at ur avitar and name I wont take ur comments to heart...

[PATSYS]

I gave MAB 3 rounds, scored it 117-111.

No way MAB won the 1st 5 rounds, you probably had very high expectations on Pac to give MAB the 1st 5 rounds. Just becasue he didn't KD him in those rounds doesn't mean he lost the round. :patsch

[Kamil]

HOW CAN HE WIN A ROUND IF HE KEEPS RUNNING?:patsch:patsch:patsch

or maybe you are watching a different fight.:yep:yep:yep


Man why would u let mayweather win for runner, by the way it called being smart, u ever heard of outbox and not exchange, pac probblly did in, but the shit quailty i was watching it seem closer than 10-2..... which i found bullshit, man how come judge can't just score how it is..

[Carlos Primera]

punchstats are overated

barrera was winning until the 10th then i lost coverage so how people act like manny won 8 or 9 rounds is beyond me
:huh
barrera up until the tenth? i agree barrera won rounds, but it was a tie up until then.

if you did'nt see the last 2 rounds, pac made barrera do a dance in the 11th. and mab had a point deducted for a blatant foul.

[loui_ludwig]

Manny Steward said it himself, Pac was keeping the pace not MAB.

[1punch1nder]

it doesnt matter if he wasnt hrt you score the round by different things barrera was controlling the pace jabbing and making pacquiao miss and at times was countering well the whole judging etiquette is brought into question when people are bringing punchstats in to say who they think won barrera imo won at least 4 of the first 10 rounds but thats just my opinion



when did i say i thought barrera won round 9 i said how people think pacquiao overally won 9 rounds is beyond me

your eyes are beyond you!

[Milliardo]

A very close fight, I thought Barrera probably won (in Britain they didnt show 10-12 WHAT HAPPENED??) BUT 118-109 to Pacman??? More boxing corruption because Barrera won 1-5 and 8 for me - thats 6 rounds. No way Barrera only won 2 rounds - bought off judges tonight :twisted:
If it isn't that he's one dimensional, now he's bought someone off. It still is incredible how the haters out there will go through all the usual excuses just to discredit Pacquiao. :lol:

[Toopretty]

The scores were moronic and biased as all hell. 7-5 for Manny. Take away a point from that..Manny won... but damn Barrera needed a knockout to win with those kind of scores...Yeah and Peter fucking won his fight. I had to say that again for the Wlad lovers and the Peter haters..Though Peter is not THAT skilled he is much improved and got heart and fought his way out of tough times knocked out...Always a win when you can outbox a guy after being down three times....Ask Marquez...

[Lampley]

haha, I laugh at some of the posting in this thread. I watched this fight on ******* with commentary in a language that I do not speak and I also had it 118-109. I gave Barrera rounds 1 and 5 with Pacman sweeping the rest. Marco was badly out-landed by Pacman who was the effective aggressor throughout almost the entire fight.

No controversy here, none.

The 1st and 5th are the same rounds I gave to Marco. Otherwise, he was way too tentative. He was hoping to win this fight, not determined to win it.

[errsta]

Ring Generalship: Barrera (They fought Barrera's fight. The times they fought Manny's fight were few and far between. Barrera dictated pace & tempo.)
Defense: Barrera (He was making Manny miss, was hardly making him pay)
Effective Aggessiveness: Pacquiao (Marco made no effort to be the aggressor throughout the fight)
Clean Punching: Up in the air. (Pacquiao was missing a lot while throwing a lot more. Marco was getting the better of many of the exchanges)

I had pacquiao winning 115-112, as well, by the way. I'm just shocked that some here would suggest that the fight was in no way competetive.

[Nopporn]

I scored the bout 115 - 112 for Pacquiao. He pressed the action all of the fight. He deserved it.

[cuchulain]

They must have showed a different fight in the UK.

I had it 9 - 1 for Pac with two even.

The best that can be allowed for MAB was three rounds.

Manny carried the fight and was the aggressor almost throughout.

[K_Ologist]

Barrera fought like he trying to avoid getting knocked out. True, he had his moments, but was not active enough. Pacquiao clearly won the fight, even though he seemed a bit off.

[Lampley]

ummmmm...lookin at ur avitar and name I wont take ur comments to heart...

Marco has been a staple on HBO for over a decade. What does that have to do with anything?

If you judged that fight anywhere closer than 8-4, I have to question your scoring philosophy. It wasn't close.

[41fever]

close fight...i thought MAB outclassed PacMan, with ring generalship and actual punches landed, Barrera rolled a lot of Pac's punches, punchstats are bogus...Pac did outwork him some rds...Pac was flashy but you gotta land clean...now I can't wait for JMM vs PAC, this will be an excellent fight...

[Nopporn]

How did those 2 stupid judges scored the bout 118-109 for Pacquiao? That's ridiculous.

[knockout]

A very close fight, I thought Barrera probably won (in Britain they didnt show 10-12 WHAT HAPPENED??) BUT 118-109 to Pacman??? More boxing corruption because Barrera won 1-5 and 8 for me - thats 6 rounds. No way Barrera only won 2 rounds - bought off judges tonight :twisted:Quit your cryin whats done is done pac won fair and sqire at lest pac made it a fight Marco was just scared,Erik had more balls and wasnt dirty fuck.

[josak]

I had it 10-2 Pac with the one 10-8 round for the penalty.

Not a close bout. Marco fought very negatively the entire time. You can't flurry twice per round and spend the rest of the three minutes avoiding confrontation and expect to win.

Exactly.

[Lampley]

Ring Generalship: Barrera (They fought Barrera's fight. The times they fought Manny's fight were few and far between. Barrera dictated pace & tempo.)
Defense: Barrera (He was making Manny miss, was hardly making him pay)
Effective Aggessiveness: Pacquiao (Marco made no effort to be the aggressor throughout the fight)
Clean Punching: Up in the air. (Pacquiao was missing a lot while throwing a lot more. Marco was getting the better of many of the exchanges)

I had pacquiao winning 115-112, as well, by the way. I'm just shocked that some here would suggest that the fight was in no way competetive.

They did fight Barrera's fight, which was to avoid confrontation. Problem is, a skilled guy doing that can make the other fighter look terrible. Manny wasn't sharp, but some of that was because Marco wouldn't engage.

This is like the Taylor/Spinks thing. Spinks fought a similar fight, only worse, and yet some people thought he won.

Marco fought scared. Merchant's remark about him trying to "turn down the temperature" was right on point. You can't allow a guy to win a fight that way, when he won't throw and therefore doesn't land.

[thai-hardhitter972]

They did fight Barrera's fight, which was to avoid confrontation. Problem is, a skilled guy doing that can make the other fighter look terrible. Manny wasn't sharp, but some of that was becausse Marco wouldn't engage.

This is like the Taylor/Spinks thing. Spinks fought a similar fight, only worse, and yet some people thought he won.

Marco fought scared. Merchant's remark about him trying to "turn down the temperature" was right on point. You can't allow a guy to win a fight that way, when he won't throw and therefore doesn't land.


LOL @ the retards crying ,beucase they lost their money betting against pacquiao , that fight wasn't close Berarra didn't do shit he was scared to even counter back. His whole game plan was to counter,but he was just too damn defensive:roll:.

[kg0208]

it doesnt matter if he wasnt hrt you score the round by different things barrera was controlling the pace jabbing and making pacquiao miss and at times was countering well the whole judging etiquette is brought into question when people are bringing punchstats in to say who they think won barrera imo won at least 4 of the first 10 rounds but thats just my opinion



when did i say i thought barrera won round 9 i said how people think pacquiao overally won 9 rounds is beyond me

The punch stats simply justify my scorecard and that is why I mentioned them.

Barrera controlled the pace with his legs, not his fists. Yes he made Pacman miss, but he wasn't retaliating AND got hit more than he made Pacman miss.

I will say again, the punch stats only enhance what a vast vast of what the majority saw. People only dismiss punch stats when they don't favor them. They were lopsided.

[loui_ludwig]

Ring Generalship: Barrera (They fought Barrera's fight. The times they fought Manny's fight were few and far between. Barrera dictated pace & tempo.)
Defense: Barrera (He was making Manny miss, was hardly making him pay)
Effective Aggessiveness: Pacquiao (Marco made no effort to be the aggressor throughout the fight)
Clean Punching: Up in the air. (Pacquiao was missing a lot while throwing a lot more. Marco was getting the better of many of the exchanges)

I had pacquiao winning 115-112, as well, by the way. I'm just shocked that some here would suggest that the fight was in no way competetive.

Didn't Manny Steward said that Pac was dictating the fight.

["He's gone!"]

I watched the British and HBO feeds and the commentators scored the fight very differently. Although i think pac-man clearly won I wouldn't of given it by such a gap.

I thought British commentator's scorecards were usually wrong due to biased for British fighters but they get it dramatically wrong for international fights with no British interest (Taylor - Spinks, MAB - Pac man, PBF - ODH)

[lobk]

:rofl :rofl :rofl Getting the better of the exchange?

[smokey]

The top scoring criteria is supposed to be clean, effecting punching with the other criteria weighting the choice. If one guy is outlanding the other with effective punches, which doesn't mean you have to hurt them just be effective, then it really doesn't matter who has better defense or ring generalship or anything... honestly if they DO have better defense and ring generalship, the other guy won't be winning on effective punching in most cases.

I didn't watch this fight. I wasn't going to buy a PPV for a fight that I didn't give Barrera a chance of winning, and I'm at work, which blocks video streams. From what I saw with Doghouse's round by round, they said that most of the rounds were competative, but Pac edged them out on what seems to be simply being able to outwork Barrera. I don't have an opinion myself, since I didn't see it.

I will say that I'm suprised Barrera was even competative through the fight, and it sounds like he was. I thought Pac had gotten better since their first fight, and Marco had only gotten older. I'll look forward to watching the re-air of this.

[PJD3]

I had it 10-2 Pac with the one 10-8 round for the penalty.

Not a close bout. Marco fought very negatively the entire time. You can't flurry twice per round and spend the rest of the three minutes avoiding confrontation and expect to win.
maywether does.
presscock will be the frist to explain how the greatest dominates its.:good

[errsta]

Didn't Manny Steward said that Pac was dictating the fight.

Yes and he is, after all, the epitome of true and consistent statements.

Point, set, match for ludwig.

I apologize for ever arguing your point.

[loui_ludwig]

Yes and he is, after all, the epitome of true and consistent statements.

Point, set, match for ludwig.

I apologize for ever arguing your point.

No need to apologized. Remember Steward is a boxing expert. While us, were fans that sometimes that our views are being affected by being biased or looking at a situation our own way without looking at the details.

[errsta]

No need to apologized. Remember Steward is a boxing expert. While us, were fans that sometimes that our views are being affected by being biased or looking at a situation our own way without looking at the details.

Freddie Roach, who may or may not be a boxing expert, said the fight was close between rounds.

Also, Steward said that Barrera should not have announced before the fight that this was the last fight because it could affect the judges' attitudes towards him since he's leaving the sport. Perhaps a Freudian slip on his part and a reflection on the commentators' attitudes towards MAB.

[loui_ludwig]

Freddie Roach, who may or may not be a boxing expert, said the fight was close between rounds.

Also, Steward said that Barrera should not have announced before the fight that this was the last fight because it could affect the judges' attitudes towards him since he's leaving the sport. Perhaps a Freudian slip on his part and a reflection on the commentators' attitudes towards MAB.

Some rounds were closed, but remember that Pac has never had a win by decision in the US. That is why Roach probably said the fight was close, he was worried that Pac might not get the decision, even though he won most of the rounds. As far as MAB announcing his retirement, i though that the judges will favor him for that reason, giving him a good farewell.

The most i can give MAB was 4 rounds. The associated press had Pac winning 116-111, that's 8 rounds to 4. Pac won the fight fair and square.

[ravtrav]

I thought 115-112 was crazy

I had it 10-2 The Destroyer

[errsta]

Some rounds were closed, but remember that Pac has never had a win by decision in the US. That is why Roach probably said the fight was close, he was worried that Pac might not get the decision, even though he won most of the rounds. As far as MAB announcing his retirement, i though that the judges will favor him for that reason, giving him a good farewell.

The most i can give MAB was 4 rounds. The associated press had Pac winning 116-111, that's 8 rounds to 4. Pac won the fight fair and square.

116-111 is a fair score. I don't claim that Marco won the fight, I just feel the margins were ridiculous. That is a statement on the judges, not Manny - who I feel did what he had to do to win the fight.

[loui_ludwig]

116-111 is a fair score. I don't claim that Marco won the fight, I just feel the margins were ridiculous. That is a statement on the judges, not Manny - who I feel did what he had to do to win the fight.

In case your interested, ESPN's Dan Rafael score was 117-110 for Pac.

I agree with you. A lot of fans were disappointed that Pac did not KO MAB. Pac should be given credit for the way he fougth MAB. Pac might not have the skills of MAB, EM, or JMM, but tonight, Pac did some good boxing for a one dimensional fighter.

[JoeR]

you guys are crazy, it wasnt even close. I had Barrera winning 2 rounds, but I can live with someone giving Barrera 4 rounds. Anything closer than that is insane.