View Full Version : Pacman #1 P4p Now?
With his aggresive style, caution last and one sided win from the scoring "I haven't seen the fight yet" does that make PacMan the Number #1 P4P?
Or do you consider that Caution Frist, "hit and run" while trying to the least to win shit, the #1 p4p still?
GARCIA
10-07-2007, 01:33 AM
no.
He beat an aging barrera and an untested Solis.
Mayweather is #1
Why would Pac move up for beating a fighter who (as great as he has been in his career) is clearly on the way out and who he already dominated years ago? If he's going to move up, he should do so after dominating some fresher competition.
Toopretty
10-07-2007, 01:39 AM
Depends on How mayweather beats Hatton. If mayweather beats the crap out of him like I think he is untouchable p4p unless Cotto obliterates Shane...which would sky rocket Cottos status. Or vice versa if Shane obliterates Cotto he is back in the mix...There are some that would argue if Calzaghe slaps Kessler up which he will.......he should be #1 which is the likely scenario....NOT..lol
Main Events
10-07-2007, 01:40 AM
No
kg0208
10-07-2007, 01:41 AM
No, not unless Mayweather loses or wins very very controversely.
GARCIA
10-07-2007, 01:43 AM
No one in the game relatively CLOSE to Mayweather.
Imagine Mayweather and PAC @ 130. Both at their peaks.....
Yes.... Mayweather TKO9 PAC :deal.
And who has pbf dominated, that was'nt past thier prime.
When was last time he ever dominated a true champion at the peak of his career. Or faced a true opponent and walk him down with out running and pop-shot'n.
GARCIA
10-07-2007, 01:48 AM
STFU noob.
Toopretty
10-07-2007, 01:50 AM
And who has pbf dominated, that was'nt past thier prime.
When was last time he ever dominated a true champion at the peak of his career. Or faced a true opponent and walk him down with out running and pop-shot'n.
:lol::lol::lol::nut:nut:nut:nut Change sports with the quickness. Boxing is not for you.
And who has pbf dominated, that was'nt past thier prime.
When was last time he ever dominated a true champion at the peak of his career. Or faced a true opponent and walk him down with out running and pop-shot'n.
When was the last time Pac did that? :huh
You like the way Pac fights better, great. STFU.
codeman99998
10-07-2007, 01:51 AM
And who has pbf dominated, that was'nt past thier prime.
When was last time he ever dominated a true champion at the peak of his career. Or faced a true opponent and walk him down with out running and pop-shot'n.
Since when do you have to walk someone down to beat them decisively? It's not #1 p4p in entertainment value, it's #1 p4p in difficulty to beat.
Still~style
10-07-2007, 01:53 AM
i'm beginning to lose respect for pacqiou, and not because of his fans. did u see him jerking off in the corner between rounds acting like a little child. and when barrera hit him on the break he cried like a little girl?
i can't wait to see this chump get knocked.
bigtime9
10-07-2007, 01:54 AM
and Floyd's style isn't to walk guys down, he's a boxer, and moving and hitting is what he does.
tell that to zab..floyd walked him down and brutalized him.
Pac didn't BEAT anybody tonight. He got a decision that could have gone either way.
Pac loses some credibility imo after this one. Should have been a draw.
bigtime9
10-07-2007, 01:55 AM
i can't wait to see this chump get knocked.
he already has..3 losses and 2 draws should tell you that pac is not on floyd's level.
Still~style
10-07-2007, 01:56 AM
With his aggresive style, caution last and one sided win from the scoring "I haven't seen the fight yet" does that make PacMan the Number #1 P4P?
Or do you consider that Caution Frist, "hit and run" while trying to the least to win shit, the #1 p4p still?
my definition of #1 p4p is the person with the most impenetrable style. and i defintely think pacqiou can lose to several types of fighters... it takes a special fighter to whip floyd.
1punch1nder
10-07-2007, 01:59 AM
Pac didn't BEAT anybody tonight. He got a decision that could have gone either way.
Pac loses some credibility imo after this one. Should have been a draw.
i suggest that you watch the fight before making such comment coz you are making an ass out of yourself.
Marnoff
10-07-2007, 02:05 AM
Why would he be?
pipe wrenched
10-07-2007, 02:15 AM
he already has..3 losses and 2 draws should tell you that pac is not on floyd's level.
No doubt. I could never understand that myself.
Just asking, like I said, I have not seen the fight yet.
But Pacman's crappiest fight is better pbf's fight to save "screw" boxing.
Rsanchez
10-07-2007, 02:25 AM
Pac's a great fighter, but his team is doing a great job by putting him on the senior's tour. He came into the fight at 140+ so he should be able to fight Juan Diaz. What about Guzman? Soto? Nah; more money fighting aged legends.
I hope to check it out tomorrow at my cusin pad.
I very curiuos how the close the rounds were.
So many more good fights before the years end:bbb
I love Boxing:p
Boom_Boom
10-07-2007, 03:44 AM
Pac didn't BEAT anybody tonight. He got a decision that could have gone either way.
Pac loses some credibility imo after this one. Should have been a draw.
did u even watch the fight?
Danny Ocean
10-07-2007, 03:45 AM
pacquiao is a crying little faggot crying when barrera hit him on the break so fucking what its a fight people call pbf a fag but when he got low blowed and punched in the back of the head he turned to the ref an said ''im ready to fight''
tell pacman and his dumb pacland boyfriends to grow a pair of balls and fight marquez or guzman
houseboy
10-07-2007, 03:45 AM
No... not yet...:bbb
kg0208
10-07-2007, 03:47 AM
pacquiao is a crying little faggot crying when barrera hit him on the break so fucking what its a fight people call pbf a fag but when he got low blowed and punched in the back of the head he turned to the ref an said ''im ready to fight''
tell pacman and his dumb pacland boyfriends to grow a pair of balls and fight marquez or guzman
That was just a little overboard. :deal
Danny Ocean
10-07-2007, 03:48 AM
That was just a little overboard. :deal
how is it
its the truth people call barrera a pussy saying hes running but people cant take pacquiao criticism
Boom_Boom
10-07-2007, 03:48 AM
tell pacman and his dumb pacland boyfriends to grow a pair of balls and fight marquez or guzman
he tried to but Marquez priced out, anything else?
kg0208
10-07-2007, 03:51 AM
how is it
its the truth people call barrera a pussy saying hes running but people cant take pacquiao criticism
Yes, and they are going overboard too....so that just makes you part of the bunch but on the other side.
puga_ni_nana
10-07-2007, 03:56 AM
pacquiao is a crying little faggot crying when barrera hit him on the break so fucking what its a fight people call pbf a fag but when he got low blowed and punched in the back of the head he turned to the ref an said ''im ready to fight''
tell pacman and his dumb pacland boyfriends to grow a pair of balls and fight marquez or guzman
barrera is a dirty fighter. pacquiao needs to do that so that the referee sees it. remember that pacquiao plays basketball.
and to some of the people here especially the haters and floyd fans, of course you will not give pacquiao credit. if pacquiao was american, he could be the p4p#1. unfortunately he isn't so he must ramain at #2.
kg0208
10-07-2007, 03:59 AM
barrera is a dirty fighter. pacquiao needs to do that so that the referee sees it. remember that pacquiao plays basketball.
and to some of the people here especially the haters and floyd fans, of course you will not give pacquiao credit. if pacquiao was american, he could be the p4p#1. unfortunately he isn't so he must ramain at #2.
That's a cop out....please don't start playing that card. It has nothing to do with him being American, most of the top 10 P4P isn't American. PBF is simply considered a better fighter right now, and Hatton is a tougher fight than MAB at this stage IMO and many others. If Pacman was #1, and he was dropped from #1 without losing, you would be singing another tune entirely.
puga_ni_nana
10-07-2007, 04:09 AM
That's a cop out....please don't start playing that card. It has nothing to do with him being American, most of the top 10 P4P isn't American. PBF is simply considered a better fighter right now, and Hatton is a tougher fight than MAB at this stage IMO and many others. If Pacman was #1, and he was dropped from #1 without losing, you would be singing another tune entirely.
i admit i'm a little overboard. but when there's a little talk of pacquiao surpassing mayweather on the p4p list, here comes the mayweather boys and their line that mayweather is very way ahead and no matter what pac will do, he will be below him.
i think mayweather is still #1, unless he loss or undecisively win to hatton. but a little objectivity and open mindedness from our american friends seems fine.
Amsterdam
10-07-2007, 04:09 AM
I don't put much thought into the Hatton fight, Mayweather is going to obliterate Hatton and Hatton is a specifically hand picked opponent.
On the flipside, this fight with Barrera meant little at this point also.
So as it stands -
Mayweather #1
Pacman #2
Pac has to take out the Guzman/Soto winner or JMM to jump to #1 for me, Mayweather would have to definitley obliterate Hatton and then beat Shane/Cotto winner to ensure that Pacman is not catching up on him.
kg0208
10-07-2007, 04:10 AM
i admit i'm a little overboard. but when there's a little talk of pacquiao surpassing mayweather on the p4p list, here comes the mayweather boys and their line that mayweather is very way ahead and no matter what pac will do, he will be below him.
i think mayweather is still #1, unless he loss or undecisively win to hatton. but a little objectivity and open mindedness from our american friends seems fine.
I understand your position. If the PBF fans go overboard, you are fighting fire with fire.
Gotcha.
Amsterdam
10-07-2007, 04:18 AM
I understand your position. If the PBF fans go overboard, you are fighting fire with fire.
Gotcha.
Since everyone agree's that this Barrera-Pac bout had minimal significance at this point, save for the Pacman nutballs, I think my next target should be bringing realisation that Hatton-PBF is a hand picked bout and also means little.
Not that obliterating Hatton, which will definitley happen, Ricky's getting destroyed and stopped, hurts his ranking as Pacman being the #2 does not even step up after tonight, but it surely doesn't cement him in like some think it does.
Ricky Hatton at 147 is no Miguel Cotto and he's on the slide on top of it, despite the Castillo win. To add more on the pile, people are dumb to think that a slick counter puncher isn't Ricky's ultimate stylistic nemesis, I suppose they think all pressure guys are the same.
This is as certain as it gets in boxing for a Mayweather victory. Cotto would have definitley been a competitive fight, real close, Hatton's an after thought at the elite level for 147.
Morrissey
10-07-2007, 04:21 AM
Nope.
Not yet.
If he beat fellow p4p JMM and either Soto or Guzman, then that would be it.
And if PBF did not impress in his next two fights, I might add.
kg0208
10-07-2007, 04:28 AM
Since everyone agree's that this Barrera-Pac bout had minimal significance at this point, save for the Pacman nutballs, I think my next target should be bringing realisation that Hatton-PBF is a hand picked bout and also means little.
Not that obliterating Hatton, which will definitley happen, Ricky's getting destroyed and stopped, hurts his ranking as Pacman being the #2 does not even step up after tonight, but it surely doesn't cement him in like some think it does.
Ricky Hatton at 147 is no Miguel Cotto and he's on the slide on top of it, despite the Castillo win. To add more on the pile, people are dumb to think that a slick counter puncher isn't Ricky's ultimate stylistic nemesis, I suppose they think all pressure guys are the same.
This is as certain as it gets in boxing for a Mayweather victory. Cotto would have definitley been a competitive fight, real close, Hatton's an after thought at the elite level for 147.
The signifigance lies in the fact that PBF would be beating a top rated champion, an elite level and P4P fighter. Regardless of how easy it turns out to be. You cannot use a prediction of ease to somehow remove the quality of the win based on the stature of the fighter.
Jones would always beat Toney because of styles and make it look easy. That doesn't lessen the signifigance of the victory. Beating a highly rated champion is signifigant.
Another example. You have called for Calzaghe to win some signifigant fights with ease over some highly rated fighters of the past AND current. You have also stated that these fights would raise the profile of his resume. Does you prediction of the fight being easy (like your prediction here for PBF-Hatton) mean that you feel that those fights WOULDN'T raise the resume and profile of Calzaghe? Cuz you know they would.
Daft P
10-07-2007, 04:30 AM
If Pacman wants to be p4p no. 1. he should beat Marquez and winner of Guzman-Soto. For me, that would be convincing enough. However, he will not be able to achieve that....
Amsterdam
10-07-2007, 04:35 AM
The signifigance lies in the fact that PBF would be beating a top rated champion, an elite level and P4P fighter. Regardless of how easy it turns out to be. You cannot use a prediction of ease to somehow remove the quality of the win based on the stature of the fighter.
Jones would always beat Toney because of styles and make it look easy. That doesn't lessen the signifigance of the victory. Beating a highly rated champion is signifigant.
Another example. You have called for Calzaghe to win some signifigant fights with ease over some highly rated fighters of the past AND current. You have also stated that these fights would raise the profile of his resume. Does you prediction of the fight being easy (like your prediction here for PBF-Hatton) mean that you feel that those fights WOULDN'T raise the resume and profile of Calzaghe? Cuz you know they would.
You missed the assessment of where Hatton is at 147, which is an after thought at the elite 147 level, he's also on the slide. It has little to do with how easy Floyd will dispose of him, because he'd also do it to some guys at 147 that would paste Hatton.
2 years ago this would have meant something, but not much now really. Hatton's an elite at 140, he's just an ordinary top 10 at 147.
Calzaghe may defeat Kessler easily, Kessler's a massive, skilled, elite SMW, he's not a guy who's undersized for the division coming up.
In a good comparison, this bout means about as much as Wright jumping to 170, a weight where he's not effective, if that makes sense.
kg0208
10-07-2007, 04:41 AM
You missed the assessment of where Hatton is at 147, which is an after thought at the elite 147 level, he's also on the slide. It has little to do with how easy Floyd will dispose of him, because he'd also do it to some guys at 147 that would paste Hatton.
2 years ago this would have meant something, but not much now really. Hatton's an elite at 140, he's just an ordinary top 10 at 147.
Calzaghe may defeat Kessler easily, Kessler's a massive, skilled, elite SMW, he's not a guy who's undersized for the division coming up.
In a good comparison, this bout means about as much as Wright jumping to 170, a weight where he's not effective, if that makes sense.
I didn't miss it. I just don't agree with it. Besides, Hatton won't be fighting at 147...he says he will fight at his 140 fight weight. And that is his best weight. I don't know why you think he is on the slide.....
And before you say that Hatton fighting at 140 is a disadvantage, we all know PBF is not a big WW, and PBF himself just fought DLH as a WW giving DLH a size advantage.
Wright jumped 2 weight classes. I still think this fight is signifigant. We won't agree on this no matter what.
psychopath
10-07-2007, 04:51 AM
Nope.
Not yet.
If he beat fellow p4p JMM and either Soto or Guzman, then that would be it.
And if PBF did not impress in his next two fights, I might add.
:D :yep
cosign!
:good
Amsterdam
10-07-2007, 04:52 AM
I didn't miss it. I just don't agree with it. Besides, Hatton won't be fighting at 147...he says he will fight at his 140 fight weight. And that is his best weight. I don't know why you think he is on the slide.....
And before you say that Hatton fighting at 140 is a disadvantage, we all know PBF is not a big WW, and PBF himself just fought DLH as a WW giving DLH a size advantage.
Wright jumped 2 weight classes. I still think this fight is signifigant. We won't agree on this no matter what.
It's significant only because Hatton is so highly rated, which I have always liked Hatton but have also always debated his rating.
Floyd is not a big WW, but he's grown into a full WW and he will stop Ricky Hatton, who's in over his head against anyone who can compete at the top level at WW or higher.
I'd be confident in picking Witter over Hatton even.:yep
But yes, we won't agree, but I've always been fair in ranking Floyd Mayweather, this just means very little all in all. The Luis Collazo bout is all anyone needs to watch before they absurdly insist that Hatton has a chance in this fight and that Hatton is ANYTHING at all in the WW mix.
WW top -
Floyd, Cotto, Mosely, Williams, Cintron, Margarito and even Clottey -
You see Hatton having a snowballs chance in hell against any of those guys at his 5'6 stature and overall poor defence with no solid WW durability? Of course not. Any of those names there take him out with ease.
crash
10-07-2007, 04:59 AM
pacquiao is a crying little faggot crying when barrera hit him on the break so fucking what its a fight people call pbf a fag but when he got low blowed and punched in the back of the head he turned to the ref an said ''im ready to fight''
tell pacman and his dumb pacland boyfriends to grow a pair of balls and fight marquez or guzmanhahahaha thats a bit rough hey.
PATSYS
10-07-2007, 05:07 AM
With his aggresive style, caution last and one sided win from the scoring "I haven't seen the fight yet" does that make PacMan the Number #1 P4P?
Or do you consider that Caution Frist, "hit and run" while trying to the least to win shit, the #1 p4p still?
I have no problem if anyone ranks him #1.
But I personally have him at #2 behind PBF.
hellblazer
10-07-2007, 05:11 AM
it's up to Ring Mag people, really :D
boxbox
10-07-2007, 06:52 AM
This was a no bearing fight..people just wanted to see if the first fight was a fluke...it wasnt, even got better for MAB the second time around because Pac got cautious. doesnt change PBF being number 1 and Pac num 2.
theunderdog
10-07-2007, 07:12 AM
nope. not a chance. that win gained him nothing
GARCIA
10-07-2007, 07:13 AM
That was just a little overboard. :deal
That was right on the button.:hi:
GARCIA
10-07-2007, 07:17 AM
Anyone saying PAC is #1 P4P is a blind, bias, philipino nuthugger that shouldn't even post here due to their complete lack of knowledge of the sport. Fucking stupid.
Mayweather is #1.
PAC is a VERY FUCKING DISTANT #2.
hitman_hatton1
10-07-2007, 07:39 AM
no.
He beat an aging barrera and an untested Solis.
Mayweather is #1
no way is pac p4p no1.
some good wins but come on.
floyd is tops.
until december. :yep
puga_ni_nana
10-07-2007, 07:46 AM
no way is pac p4p no1.
some good wins but come on.
floyd is tops.
until december. :yep
well everyone has his own agenda. all wants to put his countryman at the top.
hitman_hatton1
10-07-2007, 07:49 AM
well everyone has his own agenda. all wants to put his countryman at the top.
i truly believe hatton wins in december.
no messing. :nono
i'll bet avatar with anyone on this forum. :bbb
So, does that mean pbf's lackluster SD win over "past his prime" ODH did more for him p4p, than Pacman's win "he was the aggressor" over "past his prime" Barrera.
Were these 2 fights similar?
One being the aggressor and the other being defensive, only with different out-comes?
And if so, why shouldn't one be higher than the other? :conf
koko of phil
10-07-2007, 11:57 AM
A big NO. He fought an old aging fighter on Barrera, no bearing to be considered a 1# p4p.
No one in the game relatively CLOSE to Mayweather.
Imagine Mayweather and PAC @ 130. Both at their peaks.....
Yes.... Mayweather TKO9 PAC :deal.
^^^Co-sign
jecxbox
10-07-2007, 12:05 PM
Originally Posted by Koa
Pac didn't BEAT anybody tonight. He got a decision that could have gone either way.
Here is a suggestion for you, do yourself and all of us a favor and stop watching boxing.
And for all you people jumping on Pacquiao's ass for his fight yesterday, please, Barrera didn't come to fight and Pacquiao didn't respect Barrera at all to even bother coming into the fight in good shape (144lbs on fight night???).. If Pacquiao fights Marquez, believe me Pacquiao will turn into the demon again because to tell you the truth Pacquiao fought at like 60% effort yesterday...Barrera was a sitting duck and he didn't even come to fight!
As for lb4lb, Yeah obviously Mayweather stays on top lb 4 lb, But Pacquiao is not a DISTANT #2...Pacquiaos performances over great great opposition has been amazing..And Floyd has been merely picking and choosing his opponents in a very safe manner and don't tell me he hasn't because he has gotten away with fighting B- B level fighters from the time he fought Castillo to the time he fought a washed up De La Hoya...Put it this way Mayweather and Pacquiaos last two opponents have been washed up over the hill fighters who need to retire, so their stock as far as lb4lb didn't grow for shit.
Manjanek
10-07-2007, 12:20 PM
Pacman is NOT #1 now because Floyd still hasn't lossed to anyone and keeps putting up impressive decisions.
If Floyd looses to Hatton, then Pac becomes #1. If Floyd wins he becomes #1+. Hatton is a top 10 contender as well. MAB isn't well ranked right now.
PacDbest
10-07-2007, 12:54 PM
Not yet because he didn't Knockout Barrera again which was expected. He tried in the 11th until barrera Fouled him.
Floyd need to lose or look bad in the win to be dethroned by the Ring Magazine.
But in my Book, Pac already is P4P #1. He's just not 100% last night. He's about 75% but still enough to dominate Barrera.
Asterion
10-07-2007, 12:56 PM
Mayweather is still #1
PR Boxing Lore
10-07-2007, 01:38 PM
No.
Raden
10-07-2007, 01:42 PM
The fight was boring because of Barrera who is coward and keeping his ass away from his opponent... He should have been KOed if he was brave enough to face Pac's power.... Barrera, marquez, and their fans are all suckers..dickheads... cowards... I think barrera did not trained boxing before this fight..he trained how to run and escape...LOL pity and his assholes fans...
kg0208
10-07-2007, 01:45 PM
The fight was boring because of Barrera who is coward and keeping his ass away from his opponent... He should have been KOed if he was brave enough to face Pac's power.... Barrera, marquez, and their fans are all suckers..dickheads... cowards... I think barrera did not trained boxing before this fight..he trained how to run and escape...LOL pity and his assholes fans...
Their fans are cowards? Man, both sets of fans here are saying some nonsense since last night.
reed_man02
10-07-2007, 02:07 PM
The fight was boring because of Barrera who is coward and keeping his ass away from his opponent... He should have been KOed if he was brave enough to face Pac's power.... Barrera, marquez, and their fans are all suckers..dickheads... cowards... I think barrera did not trained boxing before this fight..he trained how to run and escape...LOL pity and his assholes fans...
:lol:What a fucking dumbass.
You called Barrera a coward because he didn't let pacman hit him? What happened to pacman will KO Barrera no matter how undertrain he was? Stop catching feeling ho, your idol isn't what he hoped he would be.
Well, at least now I won't be seeing anymore PAC vs Chavez, Sanchez, or PBF threads anymore.:rasta
rydersonthestorm
10-07-2007, 02:25 PM
No if hatton beats floyd he becomes p4p number one as he is already p4p and will have beaten the p4p number one, pac man either stays at 2 or goes to 3 behind floyd. He is a great fighter but he needs to fight some better opponents, mab was a great fighter and put up a decent fight but to get to number 1 beating a guy who is older than when you last beat him isn't going to cut it.
Lacyace
10-07-2007, 02:31 PM
Uh, no.
Pacman is NOT #1 now because Floyd still hasn't lossed to anyone and keeps putting up impressive decisions.
If Floyd looses to Hatton, then Pac becomes #1. If Floyd wins he becomes #1+. Hatton is a top 10 contender as well. MAB isn't well ranked right now.
I don't know if facing juda after he lost his belts and was almost koed by Baldamir, tapping and running from a 35 year old Baldamir, winning a SD against a past his prime De la hoya by running and hitting "but he swore by his gangsta balls he going toe2toe", impressive wins?
Now he facing a good undeated and younger but smaller Hatton 5'6" "who did not look dominate as 147 as he did at 140".
What he should be donig, is what Margrarito and Williams did, and now what Cotto and Mosley are doing. Which is facing the best at thier peak "ok Mosley is a little past it" of the division and answering the questions of their critics on proving who really is the best.:bbb
chimba
10-07-2007, 04:30 PM
I think it should be
PBF
PAC
Cotto when he beats Mosley. (although I love mosley also)
Three of my favorites top three
Rsanchez
10-07-2007, 04:50 PM
Who was that chick sitting next to Pacman's wife? She was hot!!! Back to boxing; Barrera is a coward, he should have gone out firing like Morales.
GARCIA
10-07-2007, 04:51 PM
Not yet because he didn't Knockout Barrera again which was expected. He tried in the 11th until barrera Fouled him.
Floyd need to lose or look bad in the win to be dethroned by the Ring Magazine.
But in my Book, Pac already is P4P #1. He's just not 100% last night. He's about 75% but still enough to dominate Barrera.
You're a cunt.
Quit sucking the diarrhea juices outta Manny's ass you biased nuthugger. :smh
kg0208
10-07-2007, 05:34 PM
I don't know if facing juda after he lost his belts and was almost koed by Baldamir, tapping and running from a 35 year old Baldamir, winning a SD against a past his prime De la hoya by running and hitting "but he swore by his gangsta balls he going toe2toe", impressive wins?
Now he facing a good undeated and younger but smaller Hatton 5'6" "who did not look dominate as 147 as he did at 140".
What he should be donig, is what Margrarito and Williams did, and now what Cotto and Mosley are doing. Which is facing the best at thier peak "ok Mosley is a little past it" of the division and answering the questions of their critics on proving who really is the best.:bbb
Whats good for the goose is good for the gander right?
Your style points aside (you do not penalize a fighter in P4P rankings because you don't like his style. PBF is fighting guys who outweighed him by 10-15 lbs on fight night, unlike Pacman who has outweighed his opponents on fight night), lets redirect the same criticism using the same criteria.
Barrera is past his prime clearly, smaller than Pacman at this point AND coming off a loss. (DLH was only past his prime....he is larger and won his last fight).
Solis was an unbeaten and ranked challenger. In the weight class BELOW Pacman. He has never held or fought for a major title, or even a semi major title. (You make a criticism that PBF is fighting the smaller Hatton, who is the champion, 2x, in the weight class below and actually weighs about the same as PBF on fight night, if not slightly more)
Morales has lost 5 of his last 6 and also past his best. (This is a better win than Baldomir or Judah? Maybe.....depends on how things work out)
And then Pacman beat Larios, who was coming off a KO loss to Vazquez 2 weight classes down. Larios just lost AGAIN by KO. (This win is NOT better than Judah or Baldomir)
Outside of my own judgements on who is past their best (and your judgements of the same about DLH), the rest of what I say is purely factual. You level criticism of PBF for fighting fighters coming off a loss, which Pacman did 3 times in his last 4 fights, and fighting smaller fighters, which Pacman did in at least 2 of his last 4....arguably all 4 because he outweighed all of them on fight night. How do you reconcile this?
Stinky gloves
10-07-2007, 05:36 PM
PAC should be #1 now untill Floyd fights Hatton.
pugilistspecialist
10-07-2007, 06:04 PM
Pac-Man is a solid number 2 p4p. Mayweather has beaten more champions, won more lineal titles, and more titles in different weights. talentwise they are equal and have their own strengths but based on longevity, dominance, and adaptability Mayweather has been nothing less than the definition of p4p
kg0208
10-07-2007, 07:48 PM
Pacman is #2 without question...but I think PBF is #1 without question right now. When someone beats him, then we can talk.
Pacman fought a good fight last night in a dominant UD. Not as exciting as some of his other fights, but you can be just as dominant in a UD as in a KO. (He won me $200, so I'm happy:deal)
motorcity
11-03-2011, 08:53 AM
Bump
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