Oscar Dela Hoya live on Sky Sports News at 16:30

[skel1983]

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[ishy]

Thanks :good

Will be the usual scripted bollocks from Oscar though. Sky will try and get in a question about football no doubt.

[ConcretePete]

Amir Khan is next big blah blah blah. SHUT IT OSCAR!

[johna_83]

tenner he says this fight is 'history in the making'.....

[skel1983]

tenner he says this fight is 'history in the making'.....

How long before they ask him about Hatton's future? I'd say around 90 seconds in.

[Dan684]

I never ever understood the hatred for DLH on here :-(

[Beeston Brawler]

I like him as a character and a fighter..... but it must be said that most of his fights didn't live up to their billing.

Especially from his days later days at 147 and up.

[nip102]

in fairness he fought everyone plus the way he wind ups jack presscott was always funny

[noonan]

ODH is a great, end of.

[NoHomeJerome]

here we go

[NoHomeJerome]

lol at showing him getting beat up by manny

[ConcretePete]

I never ever understood the hatred for DLH on here :-(

:lol::lol::lol: I liked Oscar as a fighter, and think Golden Boy do a good job as promoters, but I just hate him speaking at press conferences, there's usually at least one cringe worthy moment.

[Akers]

That clip of Hatton saddens me a little for some reason.

[ScouseLad]

I love Oscar.

Bit harsh to hail him as this great guest then show him getting leathered round the ring by Pacquiao mind!

[s23041983]

That clip of Hatton saddens me a little for some reason.
yeah man, could have achieved a hell of a lot more than he did!!

but oscar is right, he shouldnt come back if he doesnt respect the sport enough. i mean puting on 2 stone, then losing it for a fight then putting it back on again isnt very professional. rickys over 30 now and if hes gonna have another crack at it, he has to live like a monk and STAY FIT!!! Hes too old to be messing around with his weight like that!!

[sugarsean]

yeah man, could have achieved a hell of a lot more than he did!!

but oscar is right, he shouldnt come back if he doesnt respect the sport enough. i mean puting on 2 stone, then losing it for a fight then putting it back on again isnt very professional. rickys over 30 now and if hes gonna have another crack at it, he has to live like a monk and STAY FIT!!! Hes too old to be messing around with his weight like that!!

He looks to be between 4 to 5 stone over the light welterweight limit, I also agree with Oscar, Hatton does'nt respect the seriousness of the fight game, thinking he can live like that and still beat the best Pd 4 Pd fighters in the world is stupid.

[Davro]

What are the five fights he has in 8 days??

[MagicMan91]

Having met him today, I can only say good things about Oscar. Had a laugh with the fans and took everything in good humour. Signed my glove as well :D

[NoHomeJerome]

What are the five fights he has in 8 days??

he's probably countin them club nokia things he and bhop do for gbp

[Dan684]

Magic Man - Sell it me ???

[LP_1985]

Having met him today, I can only say good things about Oscar. Had a laugh with the fans and took everything in good humour. Signed my glove as well :D

cunt

[MagicMan91]

Magic Man - Sell it me ???

One billion Quid?

[Dan684]

Done PM me where to send the cheque :deal

On a serious not though I am trying to get a DLH/Mayweather dual signed glove but I am not paying the hundreds of pounds advertised on ebay. If I have to i'll get two individually signed ones

[LP_1985]

barrera morales going for £500

[Flea Man]

ODH is a great, end of.

No he ain't. End of.

[Dan684]

Oh give it a rest Flea, you and Greg piss me off when you start all this shit about current fighters not being great etc etc. De La Hoya was a great fighter who fought pretty much everyone. What he's done for the sport is incredible in AND out of the ring.

Go to the classic and take that little fanny with you and dual wank each other off over Jim Koom or whatver Asian fighter it was from the 1600's who is the greatest ever :finger

[LP_1985]

Oh give it a rest Flea, you and Greg piss me off when you start all this shit about current fighters not being great etc etc. De La Hoya was a great fighter who fought pretty much everyone. What he's done for the sport is incredible in AND out of the ring.

Go to the classic and take that little fanny with you and dual wank each other off over Jim Koom or whatver Asian fighter it was from the 1600's who is the greatest ever :finger

wow

[Beeston Brawler]

Oh give it a rest Flea, you and Greg piss me off when you start all this shit about current fighters not being great etc etc. De La Hoya was a great fighter who fought pretty much everyone. What he's done for the sport is incredible in AND out of the ring.

Go to the classic and take that little fanny with you and dual wank each other off over Jim Koom or whatver Asian fighter it was from the 1600's who is the greatest ever :finger

For once I'm inclined to agree :yikes

This constant nuthugging of old fighters is getting a bit boring, and non-sensical.

[LHL]

Oh give it a rest Flea, you and Greg piss me off when you start all this shit about current fighters not being great etc etc. De La Hoya was a great fighter who fought pretty much everyone. What he's done for the sport is incredible in AND out of the ring.

Go to the classic and take that little fanny with you and dual wank each other off over Jim Koom or whatver Asian fighter it was from the 1600's who is the greatest ever :finger

:lol:

[kosaros]

Oh give it a rest Flea, you and Greg piss me off when you start all this shit about current fighters not being great etc etc. De La Hoya was a great fighter who fought pretty much everyone. What he's done for the sport is incredible in AND out of the ring.

Go to the classic and take that little fanny with you and dual wank each other off over Jim Koom or whatver Asian fighter it was from the 1600's who is the greatest ever :finger

:rofl

[ishy]

Oh give it a rest Flea, you and Greg piss me off when you start all this shit about current fighters not being great etc etc. De La Hoya was a great fighter who fought pretty much everyone. What he's done for the sport is incredible in AND out of the ring.

Go to the classic and take that little fanny with you and dual wank each other off over Jim Koom or whatver Asian fighter it was from the 1600's who is the greatest ever :finger

:rofl

[Jack Dempsey]

That was funny

[Akxtinguish]

Oh give it a rest Flea, you and Greg piss me off when you start all this shit about current fighters not being great etc etc. De La Hoya was a great fighter who fought pretty much everyone. What he's done for the sport is incredible in AND out of the ring.

Go to the classic and take that little fanny with you and dual wank each other off over Jim Koom or whatver Asian fighter it was from the 1600's who is the greatest ever :finger

:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy

[JIM KELLY]

Oh give it a rest Flea, you and Greg piss me off when you start all this shit about current fighters not being great etc etc. De La Hoya was a great fighter who fought pretty much everyone. What he's done for the sport is incredible in AND out of the ring.

Go to the classic and take that little fanny with you and dual wank each other off over Jim Koom or whatver Asian fighter it was from the 1600's who is the greatest ever :finger


:hat

[hitandhope]

De La Hoya was a great fighter who fought pretty much everyone. What he's done for the sport is incredible in AND out of the ring.

:good

[GPater11093]

No he ain't. End of.

I disagree.

Oh give it a rest Flea, you and Greg piss me off when you start all this shit about current fighters not being great etc etc. De La Hoya was a great fighter who fought pretty much everyone. What he's done for the sport is incredible in AND out of the ring.

Go to the classic and take that little fanny with you and dual wank each other off over Jim Koom or whatver Asian fighter it was from the 1600's who is the greatest ever :finger

:lol::lol:

Fucking hell, Dan where do I come into this? I think Oscar is a great fighter but he has his limits, he aint up there with the Arguellos or the Barney Ross's and he aint even up there with the Wilfredo Gomez's and Carlos Zarate's but he is definitly an all time great.

Also I like to think I'm oretty fair when it comes to a fighter, but when you look at the record of a fighter like Alexis Arguello say compared to Floyd Mayweather, look at what more Arguello achieved and the names he beat.

I sure as hell dont see no Ruben Olivares's or even any Alfredo Escalara on Mayweathers record, and also look at the manner in which Arguello was dominant against top contenders, whereas Floyd has destroyed some top contenders but looking at film I think in his best challenges he wasnt quite as dominant as other greats.

For once I'm inclined to agree :yikes

This constant nuthugging of old fighters is getting a bit boring, and non-sensical.

Fair enough, but lets compare Roy Jones Jr and Bob Fitzsimmons, both won titles from Middleweight to Heavyweight and are comparable in strength of era's IMO

Fitzsimmons beat THE best fighter who had ever lived fro his Middleweight crown in Jack Dempsey, IMO this is comparable to the Hopkins win.

Then Fitzsimmons beat Corbett for the Heavyweight title, despite me not thinking too much of Corbett it still is a better achievement than beating possibly the 4th best Heavyweight of the time, Fitz beat the man.

At Light Heavyweight way past his prime again Fitz beat THE man, Jones didnt fight THE man because there wasnt one and he didnt make any attempt to become top dog.

Fitzsimmons better dominance in weights is what sets him apart IMO but both guys are comparable in achievements.

And as for favouring modern fighters, I think Manny Pacquiao is one of the greatest fighters to have lived, and what he has achieved is comparable to Armstrong and dare I say it almost as as impressive.

[sugarsean]

I disagree.


Fair enough, but lets compare Roy Jones Jr and Bob Fitzsimmons, both won titles from Middleweight to Heavyweight and are comparable in strength of era's IMO

Fitzsimmons beat THE best fighter who had ever lived fro his Middleweight crown in Jack Dempsey, IMO this is comparable to the Hopkins win.

Then Fitzsimmons beat Corbett for the Heavyweight title, despite me not thinking too much of Corbett it still is a better achievement than beating possibly the 4th best Heavyweight of the time, Fitz beat the man.

At Light Heavyweight way past his prime again Fitz beat THE man, Jones didnt fight THE man because there wasnt one and he didnt make any attempt to become top dog.

Fitzsimmons better dominance in weights is what sets him apart IMO but both guys are comparable in achievements.

And as for favouring modern fighters, I think Manny Pacquiao is one of the greatest fighters to have lived, and what he has achieved is comparable to Armstrong and dare I say it almost as as impressive.

Marvellous Marvin Hagler and Sugar Ray Robinson are the greatest middleweights that have ever lived :nono,

but I do agree with you that Fitzsimmons achievements are greater because of the fact he won 3 undisputed titles, so we agree on that part :good

[GPater11093]

Marvellous Marvin Hagler and Sugar Ray Robinson are the greatest middleweights that have ever lived :nono,

but I do agree with you that Fitzsimmons achievements are greater because of the fact he won 3 undisputed titles, so we agree on that part :good

You missed out Monzon.

Also I meant to say that Dempsey was the best fighter who had ever lived up until that point in history in my opinion. Just isnt completly clear that is waht I mean

[sugarsean]

You missed out Monzon.

Also I meant to say that Dempsey was the best fighter who had ever lived up until that point in history in my opinion. Just isnt completly clear that is waht I mean

there all valid points, I kinda of thought you meant up to that point in history aswell.

so whats your top 3 middleweights of all time, based more on Hd 2 Hd than anything else.

[GPater11093]

I'm not too big on rankings but I would have it

Monzon
Hagler
Robinson

[punk]

I was hoping for some e-mails

[Beeston Brawler]

I think Mayweather is the best super feather in the history of the division, including the likes of Arguello and whoever else you care to mention.

People just have issues with his personality and let that cloud their judgement of him.

It's hard to compare fighters like Jones and Fitzsimmons because their careers are 100 years apart - one of them has been in the public eye throughout and the other most probably has an incomplete record, with opponents with incomplete records.

That said, it's not so much that that gets on my nerves. It's the ''[insert modern fighter] isn't proven over 15 rounds'' or ''wouldn't have been as successful with same day weigh ins in an eight division system''...... when there is absolutely no proof one way or the other whether or not it would be the case.

Boxing, like all sports, changes. There is no reason why you couldn't stand the thing on it's head and say that a fighter from a previous era wouldn't cope with previous day weigh ins and 12 round fights.

In fairness, your boxing knowledge is superior to mine, it may be just my ignorance.... but I'm not particularly inclined to research flyweights from the early 1900's :D

[Dan684]

And here we go again. Greg and his strange obsession with Fitzsimmons FFS

every thread that gets made about ancient fighters Greg can't pound Fitzsimmons into the keys quick enough.

SRR is widely regarded as the best fighter EVER so how does he get overshadowed by Fitzsimmons in his own weight category ??


CLASSIC >>> Off you go :good

[GPater11093]

I think Mayweather is the best super feather in the history of the division, including the likes of Arguello and whoever else you care to mention.

People just have issues with his personality and let that cloud their judgement of him.

It's hard to compare fighters like Jones and Fitzsimmons because their careers are 100 years apart - one of them has been in the public eye throughout and the other most probably has an incomplete record, with opponents with incomplete records.

That said, it's not so much that that gets on my nerves. It's the ''[insert modern fighter] isn't proven over 15 rounds'' or ''wouldn't have been as successful with same day weigh ins in an eight division system''...... when there is absolutely no proof one way or the other whether or not it would be the case.

Boxing, like all sports, changes. There is no reason why you couldn't stand the thing on it's head and say that a fighter from a previous era wouldn't cope with previous day weigh ins and 12 round fights.

In fairness, your boxing knowledge is superior to mine, it may be just my ignorance.... but I'm not particularly inclined to research flyweights from the early 1900's :D

That fair enough saying Mayweather is the best 130lber. I think he was quality, not sure he beats Arguello (as it is a great stylistic match up for Floyd) and Arguello did achieve alot more at the weight IMO. I really admrie Floyd and rate him higher than most so you cant call me a Floyd hater.

It is hard to compare them in terms of era as things change but the rudimentry stuff is there. Fitz took more risks and therefore gained bigger rewards IMO

That 15 round stuff, it is partially true and I do tend to give most guys the benfit of the doubt and presume they could keep a good pace for 15 rounds. And I'm not too fussed about the classical divisions.

You know about boxing yourself in terms of up to date stuff and even just watching fights and picking stuff up. Just I research stuff like you say Flyweights from the 1900s. Just stuff I enjoy but others weould find boring.

[GPater11093]

And here we go again. Greg and his strange obsession with Fitzsimmons FFS

every thread that gets made about ancient fighters Greg can't pound Fitzsimmons into the keys quick enough.

SRR is widely regarded as the best fighter EVER so how does he get overshadowed by Fitzsimmons in his own weight category ??


CLASSIC >>> Off you go :good

I just used Fitzsimmons as an example as Roy Jones Jr is one of the best boxers of the era and I used someone that was similar to compare them. Fitzsimmons was an awesome fighter but I know his limits, he aint the best ever but what he achieved is worthy of mention.

Robinson is better than Fitzsimmons, there is no doubt in it. I dont think Fitz overshadows him. Im a massive admirer of Robinson and would ick him to beat Fitz.


On the classic you get derided for rating a modern fighter here you get derided for rating an old timer.

[Akxtinguish]

Also I like to think I'm oretty fair when it comes to a fighter, but when you look at the record of a fighter like Alexis Arguello say compared to Floyd Mayweather, look at what more Arguello achieved and the names he beat.

To be fair, Mayweather is rarely praised for his resume, it's more his fighting style and the way he manages to walk out unmarked that sets him apart. The resume itself is very modest compared to many other current fighters.

[ero-sennin]

I never ever understood the hatred for DLH on here :-(

I always wondered why Mexicans and even a lot of Mexican Americans hated him, and I used to like Oscar but my opinion of him has changed recently. After Pac whooped his ass he said Pac doesn't hit hard and never hurt him. Fair enough no problem with that, but after Floyd "joy" mayweather sr started those accusations about Pac being on ped's Oscar changes his tune and says he is also questioning Pac because he actually hit as hard as Mosley. How you gonna do a complete switch like that? There's no excuse for it, that's a bitch move right there.

He then says if Pac fights any goldenboy fighter from now on he'll have to do olympic drug testing. What about when People were questioning Mosley? Oscar said that no way is Mosley doing a drug test, he's innocent etc. So he's a hypocrite as well as a liar? How you gonna talk about Pac when you have a former steroid user in your company? (I like Mosley by the way but lets be fair).

I admit I'm a huge Pacfan but I would still see Oscar the same way if he had made those comments about other fighters. I liar is a liar and hypocrite is a hypocrite. He made himself look like a bitch.

Golden boy my ass. Fuck him.

As a fighter, he was a superstar. A very good fighter witht the looks and story to go with his talent. He also took on the best fighters. I would not call him a great fighter though, just a very good one. He lost his big fights. Some of these were questionable but then he also had some controversial wins.

[Dan684]

Ero-Sennin

I can accept that :good It is a valid reason (The punching/PED thing). Personally I like DLH :good

[ero-sennin]

To be fair, Mayweather is rarely praised for his resume, it's more his fighting style and the way he manages to walk out unmarked that sets him apart. The resume itself is very modest compared to many other current fighters.

I gotta disagree with the resume being modest. I can't stand Floyd's ass but I gotta say that his resume is pretty damn good. Corrales, Castillo, Oscar, Hatton, Judah etc is pretty damn good. The frustrating thing for fans is that he could've potentially added Margarito, Cotto, Mosley and Paul Williams on there already.