Let's test Classic ... Predict Paq/Clottey

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INstead of arguing over fights that can never happen, let's hear some thoughts on tomorrow night's fight ... who wins and how ....?

[The Wanderer]

Pac's work rate and a combination of Pacquiao's movement (which prevents Clottey from getting enough countering opportunities to win the rounds he needs) and Clottey's periods of inactivity gets Pacquiao a UD.

[KOTF]

Pac decision, 9-3, maybe 8-4. Clottey will be game, but he'll always be the catcher instead of Pacquiao who'll keep pitching straight lefts down the pipe.

[asero]

^^^ another case of underrating pac, He would win by KO

[TBooze]

INstead of arguing over fights that can never happen

But that is why it this is the classic forum section, predictions on future fights go in the General Forum.

But hey if the mods let you this, then kudos to you!

[Gesta]

Pac by disision say 8-4, Pacman's to quick , hand speed and foot movement.

[MAG1965]

I would be surprised if Clottey is knocked out by Pacman. On cuts who knows. That is always unpredicatable. He took Cotto and Margarito's punch. I say Pacman by UD in a good enough fight where Clottey does not have the firepower make it interesting.

[Flea Man]

Clottey won't be able to get anything going.

Lopsided UD for Pac or corner retirement late rounds. Clottey has a good defence but Pac will land on Clottey with combos whenever Clottey throws, which I imagine will be less and less as the fight goes on. I feel Clottey is tough and educated enough to survive the duration, but you can never count out the horrible effect Pacs ferocity can have on opponents.

Even though Clottey is nothing special, another spectacular KO for Pac would...well, it would throw all kinda stuff up I reckon. Clottey has the kinda package of durability/defence that doesn't mark him out as easily stoppable. He will no doubt outweigh Pac on the night as well.

[dpw417]

Clottey has a peculiar style with his hands up (palms facing the body) defensive shell. I think Pacquiao will stay close, but not totally inside. IMO Pac will beat him to the punch whe Clottey comes out of his shell. Pac by 10th round TKO!!! Way to versatile.

[GPater11093]

I have analysed this fight so many times.

Pacquiao has fast accurate punches, these shots will penetrate the guard of Clottey who 'waits' to be hit before firing back. Pac will be taking advanatge of this launching in his deadly accurate combos through the openings and springing out of range before the retaliation comes.

Clottey also lacks the footspeed too close Pacquiao down and impose his strength and he lacks the hand speed to effectivly counter punch Pacquiao. I have heard many people predicting Clottey knowing he has speed defiecenies will look to hold and smother but I dont feel Clottey has the foot speed to do this and when he does go to smother Pacquiao will controll the range well with his faster feet and be allowed to land some solid punches.

This lack of footspeed and all around mobility will let Pacquiao dictate the pace and distance. This obviously will favour Pacquiao and IMO we have not seen the versatility from Clottey to implement a change in strategy to combat this. He will look, from about the second round on, like a lost sheep and lacking in iniative. He might even resort to just purely covering up.

Also I think Pacquiao is a fairly unique puncher. IMO there are two types of punchers. You have an explosive type that relies on speed to 'explode' their punches off an opponent to catch them unaware and inflict some serious damage, these are mostly the 'knockout artists'. Then you have a wear you down kind of puncher, that looks to damage you using attrition then grind you to a halt. I beleive Pacquiao combines these two puncing styles and does both well. I feel his explosive power may catch Clottey off guard and coming in and result in a knockdown or out, however I feel his wear you down kind of punching will help soften Clottey then Pacquiao will be able to land his explosive shots and hurt Clottey.

Also Clottey IMO is a mentally flawed fighter. When against a fighter of his equal or better he is at a severe disadvantage. If you look at his losses they have all been close and somewhat controversial and often Clottey is claimed to 'have lost the fight himself'. This is because when faced with a fighter who has a good chance of beating him, Clottey provides a instinctal defence to his defeat. He boxes under his best. He uses this to avoid a 'true' defeat and always have a 'reason' for losing in his mind. Nothing to be ashamed of it is human nature, just it is a serious problem for a top class boxer.

Sorry for the thrown together anaylisis but thats basically an outline of my complete thoughts on the fight a late round stoppage for Pacquiao on an outclassed Clottey.

Whatever the outcome, I doubt Clottey will ever be the same again.

[asero]

so much for the analysis, MP would not only outclassed pacquiao but he would murder him. It is a mismatch because manny is just so good

[GPater11093]

so much for the analysis, MP would not only outclassed pacquiao but he would murder him. It is a mismatch because manny is just so good

Please contribute something, would be interesting to hear your breakdown rather than 'Pacquiao is simply too good' and critizing others opinions. If not you may as well keep your comments to your self.

[stevebhoy87]

Wide decision for manny, key is the movement for me, he will be in let off his super fast flurries and then away before clottey can fire back, unless clottey can be more active than he has in any previous fight and can impose his strength on pac he has no chance, as i don't see that happening i think pac will quite easily outwork him

[PetethePrince]

I've analyzed it time and time again and I doubt I can say something others haven't pointed out. I believe it will be a 9-3 type decision. Clottey wants to be "unique" and not go out the way other Pac opponents have. He stated this more than once, and I think he'll be a survivor. It may be somewhat interesting for 6 rounds, but Pac will start blowing away once his activity totally dominates Clottey. Clottey will fall into a shall and just try surviving. His chin, defense, and conservatism might allow this. It's possible that he becomes so inactive that the fight gets stopped. He won't be as hurt nor as broken down as Cotto was, though. Clottey will be lucky to win 3-4 rounds.

[lefthook31]

Clottey has to impose his will early by using pressure and a good stiff jab. Keep PAC on his back foot be selective with power shots and look to up his punch output in the second half of the fight.
This fight could get very intersting if Clottey fights a smart fight early.

Manny needs to forget about the Ko stay close to Clottey and just box in angles and use good movement and speed to make it to a UD.

The key for this fight is going to entirely fall on Clotteys jab. If he gets it going Pac could be in deep shit late. If Pac keeps him off balance and uses smart boxing Clottey has little else to offer.

[GPater11093]

To establish the jab on Pacquiao you need to step to your left as you throw it, Clottey has never really demonstrated this kind of iniative or mobility IMO.

[Jbuz]

Pacquiao UD.

[asero]

Please contribute something, would be interesting to hear your breakdown rather than 'Pacquiao is simply too good' and critizing others opinions. If not you may as well keep your comments to your self.


No need to breakdown the fight. Pacquiao is just too fast for clottey. Waste of time analyzing a fight wherein pacquiao has all the advantage.

[asero]

This is a fight where in MP doesnt need roach to be in his corner. He can use his own personal knowledge and ability to dismantle clottey in any way he wants but only thing for sure is that this would be a KO

[anarci]

Pac by UD or possibly late stoppage, but if i have to stick with one ill go with Pac UD.

116-112 116-113 type decision. I think Clottey will pose some problems for Pac at times but i cant see him winning more rounds, Pacs work rate will be the difference also i believe that he will hurt Clottey at sometime during the fight and that will cause Clottey to fight more conservative.

[asero]

Pac by UD or possibly late stoppage, but if i have to stick with one ill go with Pac UD.

116-112 116-113 type decision. I think Clottey will pose some problems for Pac at times but i cant see him winning more rounds, Pacs work rate will be the difference also i believe that he will hurt Clottey at sometime during the fight and that will cause Clottey to fight more conservative.


you are underrating pacquiao bigtime!

[Jorodz]

To establish the jab on Pacquiao you need to step to your left as you throw it, Clottey has never really demonstrated this kind of iniative or mobility IMO.

excellent point.

i have the same bad feeling about this fight that i had about cotto/margarito but not to the same degree. i think that clottey's defense is gonna piss pac off and possibly throw him off his game. i also feel that pac might be treating this fight with the same attitude he showed in the larios fight

clottey's defense MAY have the same effect that watson's had against nigel benn. pac will pound his fists against clottey's gloves trying to work his way in. pac can be one of the most accurate punchers i've seen since salvador sanchez and when he's on point, he can land precise punches all night long

i think he may be going in complacent and he will expect an easy nights work, outboxing a crude pressure fighter. when this doesn't happen, it's depends on how pac reacts. if he stays patient and waits for his opportunities he can take a lopsided decision or stop his late. if he doesn't, clottey can counter and make it interesting

[rekcutnevets]

Pacquiao's speed and movement are so much for a fighter to overcome. Often times, in order to defeat a much faster opponent, a fighter must establish the jab. I do not believe that Clottey will be able to establish his jab against Pacquiao. In fact, I think he'll fare worse than Cotto did.

[lefthook31]

To establish the jab on Pacquiao you need to step to your left as you throw it, Clottey has never really demonstrated this kind of iniative or mobility IMO.

One thing we know is Clottey has a good jab. If Clottey didn't spend his entire training camp sparring quick southpaws I would be shocked.

[PH|LLA]

I got Pac by 8 points in this one

[TheGreatA]

I'm not liking what I have heard from Clottey's camp before this fight. Clottey's most notable advantage is his size, all you have to do is see the two stand next to each other, but Clottey has claimed that he will come in at a low weight in order to keep up with Pacquiao's speed, which is impossible.

He has also said that he will block Pacquiao's punches and come back with fewer but more meaningful shots and that he will come on strong late. In that case he is going to get outworked, because I can't see Pacquiao running out of gas unless he for some reason has put on too much weight. Clottey himself is suspect late in the fights and has bottled it in a few times mentally. The weight drain takes away from his stamina.

If and only if Clottey comes in at nearly 170 pounds as he normally does, he might present Pacquiao some problems only due to sheer size. I believe that Cotto and De La Hoya made a huge mistake by trying to match Pacquaio's speed by coming in at a lower weight. You can't outspeed him, you can only try to overwhelm him with physical strength and size. Clottey is not one to impose his size on opponents however, he's mainly a boxer and thus I can't see him having much of a chance against Pacquiao.

[lefthook31]

It takes the right kind of calculated pressure. Look at a fighter like Winky Wright who picked his power shots carefully didn't throw a lot of them but kept his pressure going and worked his jab well. The right kind of tactic can offset any speedY fighter especially if he's as strong as Clottey just as Wright did against Mosley.
Just don't know if Clottey is a smart enough fighter or his trainer has the right plan for him.

[he grant]

Pac's work rate and a combination of Pacquiao's movement (which prevents Clottey from getting enough countering opportunities to win the rounds he needs) and Clottey's periods of inactivity gets Pacquiao a UD.

Agreed.

[he grant]

But that is why it this is the classic forum section, predictions on future fights go in the General Forum.

But hey if the mods let you this, then kudos to you!

Understood, however there are many who just post in clasic and I'm interested in testing their skills ...

[PowerPuncher]

Pacquaios getting overrated big time here, a sharp boxer can time him with clean shots, especially with lead rights or jabs and hes there to be countered coming in if you have the defense. Slow brawlers like 3 of his last 4 opponents are his bread and butter. When was the last time he fought someone as defensively sound as Clottey?

Pacquaio will be countered cleaner than anytime since he fought Marquez and he will find it hard to land his own blows. Pacquaios movement and workrate should give him the edge but it will be a closish fight imo. Also remember this is Pacmans first fight against a WW weighing 147 (Cotto was forced to 145 and DLH was a drained 154lber)

Even if Clottey deserves it though he isnt getting the decision in a close fight. With the nature of the styles it may well turn out to be close and controversal but I do give Pacman the edge

Pacquaio 115-113

[PowerPuncher]

If and only if Clottey comes in at nearly 170 pounds as he normally does,.

He doesnt he was in clothes and shoes when weighing 170, meaning he wasnt 170, try 160

[TheGreatA]

He doesnt he was in clothes and shoes when weighing 170, meaning he wasnt 170, try 160

Clottey is a very, very big welterweight who has a hard time making the weight. He is no different from some of the MMA fighters who put on 20 pounds after the weigh-ins. I remember the scandal when Arturo Gatti weighed 160 lbs in the ring against Joey Gamache when the contracted weight was 140 pounds.

Freddie Roach said that he expects Clottey to come in at 165.

[PowerPuncher]

Clottey is a very, very big welterweight who has a hard time making the weight. He is no different from some of the MMA fighters who put on 20 pounds after the weigh-ins. I remember the scandal when Arturo Gatti weighed 160 lbs in the ring against Joey Gamache when the contracted weight was 140 pounds.

Freddie Roach said that he expects Clottey to come in at 165.

He was 155 against Judah, not sure he looks a load bigger than Pac


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[TheGreatA]

He was 155 against Judah, not sure he looks a load bigger than Pac




Not sure if you saw the weigh-ins but Clottey dwarfed Pacquiao.

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[TheGreatA]

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:huh

[PowerPuncher]

Not sure if you saw the weigh-ins but Clottey dwarfed Pacquiao.

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4:40

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Thanks for posting I hadnt seen that, Clottey certainly has a bit of height/reach, its hard to tell how much due to Clotteys stooping, muscularity wise they're pretty much on par and Pac will have the bigger denser legs

I'm hoping Clottey doesnt throw a spanner in the works here of the super fight :scaredas:I'm sure Arrum would love an in-house trilogy

[TheGreatA]

Thanks for posting I hadnt seen that, Clottey certainly has a bit of height/reach, its hard to tell how much due to Clotteys stooping, muscularity wise they're pretty much on par and Pac will have the bigger denser legs

I'm hoping Clottey doesnt throw a spanner in the works here of the super fight :scaredas:I'm sure Arrum would love an in-house trilogy

It would be arguably the worst missed opportunity in all boxing history. I fully expect Pacquiao to win here though.

[Polymath]

He doesnt he was in clothes and shoes when weighing 170, meaning he wasnt 170, try 160

His clothes weighed 10lbs?!

[Jaws]

Is it just me, or does Pacquiao have a huge head for his body.

[KOTF]

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:huh

:lol:

[PetethePrince]

His clothes weighed 10lbs?!

I was thinking the same thing :lol:

[PetethePrince]

Is it just me, or does Pacquiao have a huge head for his body.

And it's only gotten bigger over time! :stir

[GPater11093]

Also although physical measurements dont attest to this but Pacquiao has the better reach in as far he will be able to hit Clottey from further away than Clottey can hit him.

Pacquiao is so quick on his feet he can almost double his range by stepping into his punches, and he does this. Clottey very rarely steps in with his punches, so the long rnage battle is one sided in favout of Pac

[McGrain]

Cruc-i-fiction

[PowerPuncher]

His clothes weighed 10lbs?!

I take it you've never weighed yourself with all your clothes and shoes and again just wearing you're underwear? Shoes can weigh 4-5, so can you're clothes

[teeto]

Why is the classic being called out? Regular posters here will try and predict this one gladly, we like boxing.

Anyway, Pacquiao for me. The strength of the larger man might get nullified as the fight goes on by Pacquiao's ability to hit his man at will. Clottey's defence in terms of using his guard isn't bad, but when you constantly have a man jumping around it makes for that defence to get beaten, as you will get countered by multiple shots. Pacquiao either late stoppage or decision.

VERY god analysis by Greg btw, that will probably play out.

[teeto]

I need to get me some clothes that weigh 10lbs

[GPater11093]

I need to get me some clothes that weigh 10lbs

A big smokers jacket, a big wooley jumper, a t shirt, vest. Big flared jeans, thermals, heavy wool boxers. Some wooley socks and some steel toe cap boots.

Thats a way to make 10lbs

[asero]

pacquiao in 6 rounds. clottey would be able to connect just 15% of his punches. Lopsided fight

[Meast]

I have analysed this fight so many times.

Pacquiao has fast accurate punches, these shots will penetrate the guard of Clottey who 'waits' to be hit before firing back. Pac will be taking advanatge of this launching in his deadly accurate combos through the openings and springing out of range before the retaliation comes.

Clottey also lacks the footspeed too close Pacquiao down and impose his strength and he lacks the hand speed to effectivly counter punch Pacquiao. I have heard many people predicting Clottey knowing he has speed defiecenies will look to hold and smother but I dont feel Clottey has the foot speed to do this and when he does go to smother Pacquiao will controll the range well with his faster feet and be allowed to land some solid punches.

This lack of footspeed and all around mobility will let Pacquiao dictate the pace and distance. This obviously will favour Pacquiao and IMO we have not seen the versatility from Clottey to implement a change in strategy to combat this. He will look, from about the second round on, like a lost sheep and lacking in iniative. He might even resort to just purely covering up.

Also I think Pacquiao is a fairly unique puncher. IMO there are two types of punchers. You have an explosive type that relies on speed to 'explode' their punches off an opponent to catch them unaware and inflict some serious damage, these are mostly the 'knockout artists'. Then you have a wear you down kind of puncher, that looks to damage you using attrition then grind you to a halt. I beleive Pacquiao combines these two puncing styles and does both well. I feel his explosive power may catch Clottey off guard and coming in and result in a knockdown or out, however I feel his wear you down kind of punching will help soften Clottey then Pacquiao will be able to land his explosive shots and hurt Clottey.

Also Clottey IMO is a mentally flawed fighter. When against a fighter of his equal or better he is at a severe disadvantage. If you look at his losses they have all been close and somewhat controversial and often Clottey is claimed to 'have lost the fight himself'. This is because when faced with a fighter who has a good chance of beating him, Clottey provides a instinctal defence to his defeat. He boxes under his best. He uses this to avoid a 'true' defeat and always have a 'reason' for losing in his mind. Nothing to be ashamed of it is human nature, just it is a serious problem for a top class boxer.

Sorry for the thrown together anaylisis but thats basically an outline of my complete thoughts on the fight a late round stoppage for Pacquiao on an outclassed Clottey.

Whatever the outcome, I doubt Clottey will ever be the same again.

Good analysis :deal

[GPater11093]

Good analysis :deal

Thanks.

[teeto]

A big smokers jacket, a big wooley jumper, a t shirt, vest. Big flared jeans, thermals, heavy wool boxers. Some wooley socks and some steel toe cap boots.

Thats a way to make 10lbs

:lol::lol::good

[teeto]

I'm doing it for my next night out.

[Unforgiven]

I'm hoping Clottey doesnt throw a spanner in the works here of the super fight :scaredas:I'm sure Arrum would love an in-house trilogy

What super fight ?

The only superfight I know of is the one that was supposed to be happening today between Pacquiao and Mayweather but they found a way not to fight each other. Fuck that. I hope Clottey wins. And Mosley too. I'd trust those two to fight each other.

[lefthook31]

I'm doing it for my next night out.
Ever weigh a pair of jeans, suprisingly heavy.

[teeto]

Ever weigh a pair of jeans, suprisingly heavy.
I'll soak em in water first, i'm going for 15 pounds here

[lefthook31]

I'll soak em in water first, i'm going for 15 pounds here
:lol: Im serious, you may be suprised what a full outfit with shoes belt, jeans and a shirt weigh. I dont know about 10 pounds, but put on a regular outfit weigh yourself and then weigh yourself again with no clothes, you may be suprised.

[Boxed Ears]

I take it you've never weighed yourself with all your clothes and shoes and again just wearing you're underwear? Shoes can weigh 4-5, so can you're clothes

I have several times. It's never been ten pounds, man. :lol: Unless...

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[teeto]

:lol: Im serious, you may be suprised what a full outfit with shoes belt, jeans and a shirt weigh. I dont know about 10 pounds, but put on a regular outfit weigh yourself and then weigh yourself again with no clothes, you may be suprised.
Yeah i believe you Lefthook. On a side note, i remember when i was boxing myself it was like taking a piss or eating something dramatically changed my weight, it was madness! If you had a shit you were moving down a division! Seriously though, when you're fighting fit with hardly any body fat little things like that have more of an effect than what they do now. I don't know if that's something that's known or not, i just know it through my own personal experience.

[teeto]

I have several times. It's never been ten pounds, man. :lol: Unless...

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:rofl:rofl:rofl

PowerPuncher is being lyrically assassinated here:rofl

[The Morlocks]

What super fight ?

The only superfight I know of is the one that was supposed to be happening today between Pacquiao and Mayweather but they found a way not to fight each other. Fuck that. I hope Clottey wins. And Mosley too. I'd trust those two to fight each other.
I think Clottey wins in this one. His back is against the wall and he HAS to win to stay near the top. He learns from past mistakes against Margarito and Cotto about being too conservative. He is a strong welter and will beat Pac by dec., but maybe by cuts. I also think May. will get ko'd by Mosely:rasta

[Jorodz]

I think Clottey wins in this one. His back is against the wall and he HAS to win to stay near the top. He learns from past mistakes against Margarito and Cotto about being too conservative. He is a strong welter and will beat Pac by dec., but maybe by cuts. I also think May. will get ko'd by Mosely:rasta

some bold predictions there friend. why i think clottey makes things far tougher for our resident superhero than most, i don't see him actually winning

[Stonehands89]

Josh Clottey is significantly bigger and stronger than Pacquiao. He is gearing up to emphasize exactly that tonight. He's going to come in big and fight big. He also has a tendency to cut his opponents -Corrales, Cruz, Judah, and Cotto among them, and that may either make things interesting or ruin the event.

Barring that, Clottey's problem is two-fold. First, he is a static fighter. Pacquiao is a dynamic fighter who fights in what seems to be four dimensions. Despite Clottey's fortress-like defense, Pacquiao will land shots by splitting Clottey's guard and hooking around the arms. Clottey will come forward and try to pin him down, but Pacquiao's mastery of angles will help him as much as his speed and guns.

Clottey's second problem is his pride. More specifically, his stubborn pride. He doesn't adapt. He is more likely to find a way out than to make adjustments in the ring. Once Pacquiao begins to take over, watch for Clottey to fight harder but without imagination, and by doing so he will plant the seeds of his own destruction. Here's why: Clottey's fortress will have to open for him to mount an offense. The more offensive Clottey is, the more risk there will be.

Pacquiao should stop him, but he must be careful of not only Clottey's uppercuts, but his head and his elbows as well.

[peter5]

Id be massively surprised if Clottey won 4 rounds

[djanders]

I bet on Manny Pacquiao.

[The Morlocks]

Josh Clottey is significantly bigger and stronger than Pacquiao. He is gearing up to emphasize exactly that tonight. He's going to come in big and fight big. He also has a tendency to cut his opponents -Corrales, Cruz, Judah, and Cotto among them, and that may either make things interesting or ruin the event.

Barring that, Clottey's problem is two-fold. First, he is a static fighter. Pacquiao is a dynamic fighter who fights in what seems to be four dimensions. Despite Clottey's fortress-like defense, Pacquiao will land shots by splitting Clottey's guard and hooking around the arms. Clottey will come forward and try to pin him down, but Pacquiao's mastery of angles will help him as much as his speed and guns.

Clottey's second problem is his pride. More specifically, his stubborn pride. He doesn't adapt. He is more likely to find a way out than to make adjustments in the ring. Once Pacquiao begins to take over, watch for Clottey to fight harder but without imagination, and by doing so he will plant the seeds of his own destruction. Here's why: Clottey's fortress will have to open for him to mount an offense. The more offensive Clottey is, the more risk there will be.

Pacquiao should stop him, but he must be careful of not only Clottey's uppercuts, but his head and his elbows as well.
Remember how the cuts against Agapito Sanchez discombobulated Pac. It could happen again, because like Sanchez, Clottey's head is etoo. But I think Clottey wins on his own and cutas will come from punches. if they ciome.

[Mendoza]

INstead of arguing over fights that can never happen, let's hear some thoughts on tomorrow night's fight ... who wins and how ....?

I'm sorry to say but after refusing a blood test for a potential Mayweather fight, and picking his next fight in a state that does not test for steroids, it would not surprise me at all if Pacquaio is on something. Manny should submit to a test after this fight to clear up any doubts.

I do think Pacquio is a top 3 pound for pound fighter today, but I also think he caught De La Hoya, Hatton, and Cotto at the prefect time.

Clottey to me is a natural welter, and he can hit some, isn't damaged goods, and takes a decent shot. While Clottey is not very skilled, I think he has a chip on his shoulder and will bring his best tonight. I'll go out on a limb and call an upset TKO win for Clottey.

[McGrain]

I'm sorry to say but after refusing a blood test in the Mayweather fight, and picking his next fight in a state that does not test for steroids, it would not surprise me at all if Pacquaio is on something. Manny should submit to a test after this fight to clear up any doubts.


What kind of test? Additional tests to the ones he's been taking? What specifically are you looking to test him for? You think he should submit to additional testing because another fighter wants him to? As the Ring asks this month, would Mayweather have to take a gender test if Pacquiao decided he wanted him to have one?

[Jorodz]

What kind of test? Additional tests to the ones he's been taking? What specifically are you looking to test him for? You think he should submit to additional testing because another fighter wants him to? As the Ring asks this month, would Mayweather have to take a gender test if Pacquiao decided he wanted him to have one?

:goodliked that article. like most of goldman's to be honest. and he raised a good point. thankfully jacory harris doesn't frequent (or likely know about) the classic forum

[Mendoza]

What kind of test? Additional tests to the ones he's been taking? What specifically are you looking to test him for? You think he should submit to additional testing because another fighter wants him to? As the Ring asks this month, would Mayweather have to take a gender test if Pacquiao decided he wanted him to have one?

You're missing the point. Mayweather painted Pacquio into a corner when he would not submit to Olympic style drug testing. It raised an eyebrow when the Clottey fight was made. Why? There is not steroids testing in Texas. Clottey isn't going to say anything. He's happy for the big pay day and chance, and I'm calling an upset here.

All jokes aside, whatever the best testing is is what Pacquio should do to clear all doubts. He's not exactly doing that, is he?

[McGrain]

You're missing the point. Mayweather painted Pacquio into a corner when he would not submit to Olympic style drug testing. It raised an eyebrow when the Clottey fight was made. Why? There is not steroids testing in Texas. Clottey isn't going to say anything. He's happy for the big pay day and chance, and I'm calling an upset here.

All jokes aside, whatever the best testing is is what Pacquio should do to clear all doubts. He's not exactly doing that, is he?


Yeah, he is actually. Pacquiao is submitting to all the tests required of him by the rules that govern boxing, the same as every other fighter in the world.

How astonishing that because Mayweather demands Olympic style testing for a fighter people should starte repeating these claims in such volume.

[Russell]

Been thinking about the fight on and off for a few days now.

I feel pretty comfortable saying that I think Pacquiao's going to stop Clottey.

[red cobra]

Pac by a tko in 8..despite a determined stand by Clottey early on, he'll begin to feel the heat by round 5 and suffer great punishment thereafter as the gap widens in quality between the two. Pac will strafe him to the body and the head in round seven and score the fight's first knockdown with a couple of lefts to the head, and Clottey may make it to the end of the round, but the eighth will be the final round, when Pac dumps him again with a right and two lefts. Clottey makes it up before 10, but the ref will wisely stop it. I'm amazed that every time out there's always those who pick the other guy and fail to see that Pac is the best fighter anywhere in the vicinity of the welter division.

[Bokaj]

Yeah, he is actually. Pacquiao is submitting to all the tests required of him by the rules that govern boxing, the same as every other fighter in the world.

He is. But that doesn't mean he's dispelling all doubts.

Since boxing doesn't submit to the Olympic standard of testing there will rightfully be larger doubts about the cleanliness of that sport than of sports that do submit to those stricter standards. And even though Mayweathers demands may seem provoking and insulting, Pac has, in my mind at least, created even larger doubts by rather throwing away a record payday and potential legacy builder than giving in to them.

The simple question will always be: why refuse those demands with so much at stake if he has nothing to hide?

[Jorodz]

He is. But that doesn't mean he's dispelling all doubts.

Because boxing doesn't submit to the Olympic standard of testing there will rightfully be larger doubts about the cleanliness of that sport than of sports that do submit to those stricter standards. And even though Mayweathers demands may seem provoking and insulting, Pac has, in my mind at least, created even larger doubts by rather throwing away a record payday and potential legacy builder than giving in to them.

The simple question will always be: why refuse those demands with so much at stake if he has nothing to hide?

pride i think. he's built a legacy as one of the best ever based on hard work and consistently fighting, and beating, the best at a top level. essentially he did it the old fashioned way. someone demanding he prove his worth damages his pride and no matter what he does, his hard work is going to be degraded. maybe he thinks it's better to walk away and let his fighting do the talking than engage in a futile battle to clear his name

[Bokaj]

pride i think. he's built a legacy as one of the best ever based on hard work and consistently fighting, and beating, the best at a top level. essentially he did it the old fashioned way. someone demanding he prove his worth damages his pride and no matter what he does, his hard work is going to be degraded. maybe he thinks it's better to walk away and let his fighting do the talking than engage in a futile battle to clear his name

Could be. Who knows. But it's not as compelling an explanation as not to leave room for doubts IMO.

And compelling with the strictest standards in use would in no way be a futile battle to clear his name. If he did that and went on to beat Mayweather, no one would be able to raise any reasonable doubts as I see it.

[Jorodz]

Could be. Who knows. But it's not as compelling an explanation as not to leave room for doubts IMO.

And compelling with the strictest standards in use would in no way be a futile battle to clear his name. If he did that and went on to beat Mayweather, no one would be able to raise any reasonable doubts as I see it.

i think they still would. people would still say "mosley beat the tests" or "jones beat the tests", at least temporarily the legends would still say that a-side meth is undetectable and mayweather would have an asterix next to his loss

[Bokaj]

i think they still would. people would still say "mosley beat the tests" or "jones beat the tests", at least temporarily the legends would still say that a-side meth is undetectable and mayweather would have an asterix next to his loss

Some would probably say that. Some say that the earth is flat and that earth was created in seven days some 6 000 years ago.

If Pac beat Mayweather under Olympic testing protocoll it would be hard to claim foul play and be taken seriously, though. As it is now, there are reasonable grounds to claim something is dodgy.

God knows I don't like PBF:s pre-match shenanigans and would have loved seeing him take a severe beating from Pac, and personally I didn't harbour any suspicions against Pac before - was only very happy there were fighters like him still around - but now I do to some degree.

[Jorodz]

Some would probably say that. Some say that the earth is flat and that earth was created in seven days some 6 000 years ago.

If Pac beat Mayweather under Olympic testing protocoll it would be hard to claim foul play and be taken seriously, though. As it is now, there are reasonable grounds to claim something is dodgy.

God knows I don't like PBF:s pre-match shenanigans and would have loved seeing him take a severe beating from Pac, and personally I didn't harbour any suspicions against Pac before - was only very happy there were fighters like him still around - but now I do to some degree.

fair enough:good

[anarci]

you are underrating pacquiao bigtime! Maybe so but i like to look at it as not underestimating Clottey. Im Picking Pac by convincing but competetive decision, what is so absurd about that?

For as Wide as the Odds are i could even see dropping a 20 on Clottley at Possibly getting 150$ back.

[Stonehands89]

Remember how the cuts against Agapito Sanchez discombobulated Pac. It could happen again, because like Sanchez, Clottey's head is etoo. But I think Clottey wins on his own and cutas will come from punches. if they ciome.
Clottey would have needed to tap into a buried disposition to do that. As it turned out, Pacquiao angled the hell out of him, split his guard, and used hooks ....and Clottey opted out of taking risks altogether.

Too bad though, he should have tried. You could see his power when he did open up and Pacquiao looked awfully small in there. Nevertheless, I think that it would have been likely that Joshua would have been stopped had he come out of hiding.

[rekcutnevets]

Posted by rekcutnevets
Pacquiao's speed and movement are so much for a fighter to overcome. Often times, in order to defeat a much faster opponent, a fighter must establish the jab. I do not believe that Clottey will be able to establish his jab against Pacquiao. In fact, I think he'll fare worse than Cotto did.
I'm feeling good about this post.

At least Cotto won a round, and appeared to make the fight interesting. I really felt bad for Clottey last night.

[Gesta]

If the Floyd/Mosley fights do not happen I think that Pac should go back down in weight, He looked too small in there and looked pretty busted up compared to how many punches he took, the same with the Cotto fight, Pacman won almost every round but got damaged by a couple of punches.

I think he should go down to JWW and fight Bradley etc.., I cannot see him going up again, well maybe against Yuri?, but no one else.