Toney wants Brock Lesnar..

[scurlaruntings]

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Boxing champ James Toney has been a hot topic for mixed martial arts fans from the moment his recent UFC signing was made official.

What seemed a mere curiosity as Toney followed UFC president Dana White around the country – begging for a shot in the octagon – quickly turned into a potential game-changing acquisition.

But is the UFC supporting a freak show? Or can Toney prove boxing's value in MMA?

And whom exactly is Toney going to fight?

On the newest edition of HDNet's "Inside MMA," the 41-year-old boxer said he doesn't want any pushover; in fact, he'd be comfortable starting with UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar.

"I want Brock Lesnar," Toney said. "I'm the heavyweight champion of the world vs. the UFC champion. That'd be a hell of a match."

And if Lesnar's not in the cards, Toney said there's a few other guys he wouldn't mind facing.

"Randy Couture, Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, or whatever his name is," Toney said. "It doesn't matter. I'm not a sideshow. This is the real deal here."

While Toney's signing has already been officially announced, when and where he'll debut for the organization has not. Liddell and Ortiz, opposing coaches on Spike TV's soon-to-debut "The Ultimate Fighter 11," are expected to face off this June, though Couture and Lesnar are currently without opponents.

Toney began boxing professionally in 1989 and fought as light as 155.5 pounds. As his career progressed, he fought as heavy as 237 pounds in 2006. In his most recent outing, a September 2009 TKO win over Matthew Greer, Toney weighed in at 217.5 pounds.

Toney insists he has the utmost respect for the sport of mixed martial arts, but he believes it's time MMA fighters develop more respect for boxing.

"I never said nothing less about the sport," Toney said. "But when you come disrespect the man who's 20 years deep and has won 12 different title in six different weight divisions and say MMA sport is better boxing, you got to be kidding me."

Check out the embedded clip for the full conversation.




Unreal. Absolutely unreal. :patsch

[Deckard]

Thread title should read "Toney wants his head caved in"

[joe6991]

since when is he the heavyweight champ?

[nfc90210]

since when is he the heavyweight champ?

I believe he holds the International Boxing Association heavyweight title. It's an alphabet title but it is a belt.

[socrates]

deckard that is an awesome avatar! he holds the what belt? lmfao! he truly is delusional and must think the fans are too! lol the klits and fedor are the real champions in both sports,toney is a 'has been' if only he'd accept it! jesus it does'nt bare thinking about what lesnar would do to him!

[socrates]

deckard that is an awesome avatar! he holds the what belt? lmfao! he truly is delusional and must think the fans are too! lol the klits and fedor are the real champions in both sports,toney is a 'has been' if only he'd accept it! jesus it does'nt bare thinking about what lesnar would do to him!

[amhlilhaus]

if toney was in shape, young, fast, and strong then yeah maybe he could get lesnar.

he's none of those things so he'd have to win a couple first, which he won't.

[warrior85]

ive also read this

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[Punisher33]

If Lesnar gets him to the ground, it's over. If the fight stays in the air for more than 5 seconds, Brock is getting laid out. UFC fighters might be trained in many different arts of fighting, but only a rare few actually have a decent chin. Most fighters in the UFC usually crumble after the first big punch lands on their chins. We have already seen what happens when a good puncher lands on a MMA fighter, they go to sleep.

[charlievint]

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Boxing champ James Toney has been a hot topic for mixed martial arts fans from the moment his recent UFC signing was made official.

What seemed a mere curiosity as Toney followed UFC president Dana White around the country – begging for a shot in the octagon – quickly turned into a potential game-changing acquisition.

But is the UFC supporting a freak show? Or can Toney prove boxing's value in MMA?

And whom exactly is Toney going to fight?

On the newest edition of HDNet's "Inside MMA," the 41-year-old boxer said he doesn't want any pushover; in fact, he'd be comfortable starting with UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar.

"I want Brock Lesnar," Toney said. "I'm the heavyweight champion of the world vs. the UFC champion. That'd be a hell of a match."

And if Lesnar's not in the cards, Toney said there's a few other guys he wouldn't mind facing.

"Randy Couture, Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, or whatever his name is," Toney said. "It doesn't matter. I'm not a sideshow. This is the real deal here."

While Toney's signing has already been officially announced, when and where he'll debut for the organization has not. Liddell and Ortiz, opposing coaches on Spike TV's soon-to-debut "The Ultimate Fighter 11," are expected to face off this June, though Couture and Lesnar are currently without opponents.

Toney began boxing professionally in 1989 and fought as light as 155.5 pounds. As his career progressed, he fought as heavy as 237 pounds in 2006. In his most recent outing, a September 2009 TKO win over Matthew Greer, Toney weighed in at 217.5 pounds.

Toney insists he has the utmost respect for the sport of mixed martial arts, but he believes it's time MMA fighters develop more respect for boxing.

"I never said nothing less about the sport," Toney said. "But when you come disrespect the man who's 20 years deep and has won 12 different title in six different weight divisions and say MMA sport is better boxing, you got to be kidding me."

Check out the embedded clip for the full conversation.




Unreal. Absolutely unreal. :patsch

Man I love James! He's got some major brass balls to step into this game without having a long transition period where he can really learn the craft. I think he'll do well. Just not against certain guys. NO ONE should try to stand with James if they don't want to loose....but they should be able to take advantage of james's weaknesses on the ground.

[socrates]

honesly punisher u thick bastard just stfu and gtfo u clown! is there not an under 9's forum for retarded posters u could join? if you think that one example of a fighter being knocked out by a boxer(under boxing rules i might add) is indicative of what will always happen under such circumstances or that boxers hit harder then mma fighters and mma fighters cant take a punch then i can only reccomend therapy!

[socrates]

james will be limited in his stand up! u people are beyond stupid! dont you understand the concept of standup in mma? in incorporates clinch work,low kicks,high kicks and if i had my way elbows! muay thai destroys boxing everytime! god almighty a shoulder roll will not save you from a shin to the temple and nor will a check hook stop your legs being swept! karate is a staple of many fighters arsenal too!

[codeman99998]

If Lesnar gets him to the ground, it's over. If the fight stays in the air for more than 5 seconds, Brock is getting laid out. UFC fighters might be trained in many different arts of fighting, but only a rare few actually have a decent chin. Most fighters in the UFC usually crumble after the first big punch lands on their chins. We have already seen what happens when a good puncher lands on a MMA fighter, they go to sleep.

Oh yeah... James Toney can KO guys if they stand with him for more than 5 seconds:patsch.

I would never say something as brazen as "If the fight goes to the ground Toney will lose in 5 seconds." because it is complete nonsense. The reason the wrestling background is superior to the boxing background isn't because Lesnar can finish the fight in no time the second the fight goes to the ground (thuogh I can't imagine Toney lasting a LONG time) but because Toney won't ever be able to get back up.

Even prime Mike Tyson didn't win even a majority of his boxing matches in the first three minutes. One punch KOs happen and early KOs happen but to think that Lesnar couldn't even SURVIVE for a bit on his feet against Toney is stupid. Hell, he could just run away from Toney if he had to...

[Punisher33]

james will be limited in his stand up! u people are beyond stupid! dont you understand the concept of standup in mma? in incorporates clinch work,low kicks,high kicks and if i had my way elbows! muay thai destroys boxing everytime! god almighty a shoulder roll will not save you from a shin to the temple and nor will a check hook stop your legs being swept! karate is a staple of many fighters arsenal too!:lol: Go back to beating off to your gay ass UFC 34 DVD. I boxed most of my life and have sparred with a few friends that do MMA and go to ohio for tournaments. I admit, they are very well conditioned. Though when it comes to their punching technique and being able to take a punch, it's almost pathetic. I wore 16 oz gloves, and was rocking him with a jab. I watch UFC every once in awhile, and I still can't get over how bad their chins are.

[Punisher33]

Oh yeah... James Toney can KO guys if they stand with him for more than 5 seconds:patsch.

I would never say something as brazen as "If the fight goes to the ground Toney will lose in 5 seconds." because it is complete nonsense. The reason the wrestling background is superior to the boxing background isn't because Lesnar can finish the fight in no time the second the fight goes to the ground (thuogh I can't imagine Toney lasting a LONG time) but because Toney won't ever be able to get back up.

Even prime Mike Tyson didn't win even a majority of his boxing matches in the first three minutes. One punch KOs happen and early KOs happen but to think that Lesnar couldn't even SURVIVE for a bit on his feet against Toney is stupid. Hell, he could just run away from Toney if he had to... I already seen what Briggs, Morrison, and Mercer did to guys with the first decent to heavy punch landed in the fight. Toney doesn't even have to sit on a punch to knock most of them out with 4 oz gloves. In the same respect, we all seen what happend to Mercer once the fight went to the ground against Kimbo. It was over rather quickly, against a guy not exactly known for submission game.

[socrates]

keep laughing! cos we're laughing at ya not wiv ya! and il be pissing myself when toney has a vaginal tear inside the octagon! now what size boot does your mouth take? are u still losing sleep cos wlad is no.1 sweet cheeks or are those jabs to the head the cause of your tourrette's?

[charlievint]

james will be limited in his stand up! u people are beyond stupid! dont you understand the concept of standup in mma? in incorporates clinch work,low kicks,high kicks and if i had my way elbows! muay thai destroys boxing everytime! god almighty a shoulder roll will not save you from a shin to the temple and nor will a check hook stop your legs being swept! karate is a staple of many fighters arsenal too!

You are beyond stupid to think that James is purely basing his training criteria on the sweet sciecne. James is a natural fighter and you pick up things easier with natural fighters instinct.....plus James is a student of the "FIGHT GAME" itself...not just boxing. He'll learn what is necessary to do well in MMA. And he'll graduall progress as an all around fighter. He's got a great start with his stand up and with some help and adjustments he'll be able to operate at a hight level in the UFC.

[socrates]

and it was'nt ufc 34 i was beating off to! it was cctv footage of your mother laying back and willingly taking it off an arab! *high five*

[socrates]

and u are beyond stupid to think that an obese 40 year old will develop into a complete mma fighter! he's hardly mr dedication these days! honestly u people crack me up,james give butterbean a call,let the grandmaster show u how is really done! what a total dipshit just fuckoff with this dry humping delusional james toney nuthuggery u pleb!

[scurlaruntings]

James stand up means nothing in MMA. When are people going to get this? Posters talk about learning sub and take down defense like its a matter of course. Toney is a BOXER. He KNOWS this but for one reason or another hard headed Toney wants to ply his trade in a sport he knows NOTHING about. He's going to get his head smashed in and smashed in bad. All the posters that actually think he has a punchers chance are completely dilusional. Toney has NEVER been a puncher at heavy much less for the lower weights. He has 3 hopes in the UFC slim none and Bob.

[charlievint]

and u are beyond stupid to think that an obese 40 year old will develop into a complete mma fighter! he's hardly mr dedication these days! honestly u people crack me up,james give butterbean a call,let the grandmaster show u how is really done! what a total dipshit just fuckoff with this dry humping delusional james toney nuthuggery u pleb!

He doens't need to become a complete fighter and be an expert in all areas. He needs to learn enough to allow him to compete and highlight his natural attributes as a fighter. There's no doubt going to be a learning curve in which I'm sure he'll take in stride. The dedication part of your arguement is valid....but I hope this has breathed some new life into his fight career. If Mercer can KO Silva, James can grab a few good wins in the UFC.

And really bro....don't let things like this take you to a stressed emotional state. It's really not that serious. You are talking about people "humping" and "nuthugging"....but you are coming off as what you are trying to clown people for.

[charlievint]

James stand up means nothing in MMA. When are people going to get this? Posters talk about learning sub and take down defense like its a matter of course. Toney is a BOXER. He KNOWS this but for one reason or another hard headed Toney wants to ply his trade in a sport he knows NOTHING about. He's going to get his head smashed in and smashed in bad. All the posters that actually think he has a punchers chance are completely dilusional. Toney has NEVER been a puncher at heavy much less for the lower weights. He has 3 hopes in the UFC slim none and Bob.

You could be right! But you also could be wrong. I'm sure you thought Mercer was going to get smashed by Silva...and yea...the figth ended far too quickly to really assess just how good Ray is in MMA, but Toney has a far better shot at doing well in the UFC than Ray. I think you all are really underestimating Toney's dedication to proving he can compete in any fighting sport and he's set out to do what is necessary to prove people wrong. Sit back....Relax and lets see how this plays out. NOTHING is guranteed in the fight game....boxing or MMA. So you could very well think James is going to get smashed but after his first fight you just might see a Toney that impresses. Give a legend a chance!:good

[scurlaruntings]

You could be right! But you also could be wrong. I'm sure you thought Mercer was going to get smashed by Silva...and yea...the figth ended far too quickly to really assess just how good Ray is in MMA, but Toney has a far better shot at doing well in the UFC than Ray. I think you all are really underestimating Toney's dedication to proving he can compete in any fighting sport and he's set out to do what is necessary to prove people wrong. Sit back....Relax and lets see how this plays out. NOTHING is guranteed in the fight game....boxing or MMA. So you could very well think James is going to get smashed but after his first fight you just might see a Toney that impresses. Give a legend a chance!:goodThe Silva Mercer fight meant absolutely sweet FA. One thing we know is Tim is a slow as molasses. Under Marquis of Queensbury a 90 year old Mercer would still tear him a new one. The fact he landed an overhand right on Tim is completely inconclusive and far too much has been made of it. That said Mercer is/was a solid heavy. Toney is not. All this underestimate nonsense is just crap. Toney is not an aggresive fighter like Mercer was. He's a defensive genius who likes to juke and feint in the cup, BUT will allow other fighters to dictate the pace at his expense because of his style. In MMA he has NO CHANCE and you can qoute me on that. He's not a heavy. He doesnt have heavyweight power. He doesnt have the skills to trouble ANY of the top heavies in the UFC. And he's an OLD man. I stand by what i say. Toney is on a hiding to nothing point blank point simple.

[charlievint]

The Silva Mercer fight meant absolutely sweet FA. One thing we know is Tim is a slow as molasses. Under Marquis of Queensbury a 90 year old Mercer would still tear him a new one. The fact he landed an overhand right on Tim is completely inconclusive and far too much has been made of it. That said Mercer is/was a solid heavy. Toney is not. All this underestimate nonsense is just crap. Toney is not an aggresive fighter like Mercer was. He's a defensive genius who likes to juke and feint in the cup, BUT will allow other fighters to dictate the pace at his expense because of his style. In MMA he has NO CHANCE and you can qoute me on that. He's not a heavy. He doesnt have heavyweight power. He doesnt have the skills to trouble ANY of the top heavies in the UFC. And he's an OLD man. I stand by what i say. Toney is on a hiding to nothing point blank point simple.

With 4 oz gloves and with good accuracy and timing you don't need to be a George Forman to knock a guy down or even out cold. James will be able to do more damage with the kinds of gloves that MMA fighters use. His accuracy and timing have always been amazing.

Toney doesn't need to be agreesive...he needs to capitolize on miskes his opponents make and counter. James will be agressive when the time calls for it but with James you don't need to reinvent the wheel...just give him the tools to add to his natrual fighters instinct in order to be successful in MMA.

And Again.....you could very well be right. But i respectfully disagree and I'm eager to see the first Fight for james in the UFC to see how he does and where improvements will be needed to further progress as his MMA unfolds.

[Grievesy]

I think it's a joke that the UFC have signed him in the first place. It would be even worse if they even think of putting Toney in with Lesnar. Brock would make short work of him. Like some people have already said, the fact that he is a boxer doesn't mean he will dominate every one standing. There is far more to striking than just punching. TBH I think Toney will struggle to pull off a couple of wins against lowly oppostion at this stage.

[socrates]

who am i dry humping and nuthugging? and how has one been able to evaluate one's emotional state simply through reading a post i wrote sigmund? im as calm as a hindu cow sweet cheeks! i think you are underestimating mma and overestimating james mctoneys sporting prowess! now this is esb dear your philosophy should be 'when in rome'...

[Popkins]

James is going to get humiliated and probably badly hurt. This is the worst idea I've EVER heard. He doesn't even possess what could be called "stand-up" because he can't kick and he can't defend against kicks, and he doesn't have the mobility to get himself into positions to use his boxing skills. He's going to get launched onto the mat in the first few seconds then horribly, horribly beaten. Dana White is going to really regret allowing this freakshow to happen, because it will reflect very badly on him and the UFC, it's going to be awful, shameful viewing. The UFC and its fans deserve better than this, it makes a mockery of their sport, which I did very much like and admire before this garbage came to light.

[Punisher33]

With 4 oz gloves and with good accuracy and timing you don't need to be a George Forman to knock a guy down or even out cold. James will be able to do more damage with the kinds of gloves that MMA fighters use. His accuracy and timing have always been amazing.

Toney doesn't need to be agreesive...he needs to capitolize on miskes his opponents make and counter. James will be agressive when the time calls for it but with James you don't need to reinvent the wheel...just give him the tools to add to his natrual fighters instinct in order to be successful in MMA.

And Again.....you could very well be right. But i respectfully disagree and I'm eager to see the first Fight for james in the UFC to see how he does and where improvements will be needed to further progress as his MMA unfolds. Thats exactly how I see it. Toney with 4 oz gloves would knock 99% of them out cold if landed on them solidly. I have to laugh, when I see alot of these UFC guys get rocked with punches that resemble a Zelenoff left hook. When it comes to chins, most of the UFC guy's are made of glass.

[socrates]

go fuck yourself with a shard of glass u fat worshipping dip shit! toneys going down to china town baby, coutures gunna love him 'long time'! now come out of the closet u hermaphrodite the klitchskos want to make sweet music with u!

[achillesthegreat]

They should put Toney in with an average striker and see how he goes. Someone like Jardine who has grappling and some leg kicks. If he handles him then step him up.

[Punisher33]

go fuck yourself with a shard of glass u fat worshipping dip shit! toneys going down to china town baby, coutures gunna love him 'long time'! now come out of the closet u hermaphrodite the klitchskos want to make sweet music with u! How old are you? 10 or 11 is my guess. I'm far from fat, at least your mom didn't think so when I fucked her from the back and made her take my load like a washing machine.

UFC fighters have no chins, they can't take a punch for shit. Even though Toney is far from prime, one punch from him with 4 oz gloves on would put Brock and Couture to sleep.

[socrates]

it was'nt my mother! it was my chocolate labrador with a blonde wig on! what with you being a farmers son and easily pleased we figured you would'nt be able to tell the difference! turned out we were right! and that yapping u heard was doggy language for 'is it in yet'...'washing machine' lol

[socrates]

the funny thing is you probably really do believe toney is going to blitz these guys! i feel sorry for you i really do! stick him in the ring with gonzaga.

[cryptic]

didn't toney also want klitschko?

[signzoe]

anyone with a half decent punch can succeed in mma

[skier47]

Couture would be a bad matchup for Toney. Randy just closes the distance fast, gets James in a greco-roman clinch and mauls him badly along the fence. When Randy senses Toney fatiguing he lifts him up and drops him on his head. The ground and pounding Toney would endure would be tough to watch.

[TheStraightLeft]

The UFC is going to make millions from this.

And this is also why the UFC is ahead of boxing when it comes to publicity. People don't want to just see a KO, they want to see a GnP beatdown and a KO of the kind you'd see on the UFC.

[thejokerswild]

Toney is mad. Truly.

Although by the rational of UFC standards, Toney should be right to fight the champ at the end of the year.

[Flexb]

Toney needs to be put out of his misery

[scurlaruntings]

James is going to get humiliated and probably badly hurt. This is the worst idea I've EVER heard. He doesn't even possess what could be called "stand-up" because he can't kick and he can't defend against kicks, and he doesn't have the mobility to get himself into positions to use his boxing skills. He's going to get launched onto the mat in the first few seconds then horribly, horribly beaten. Dana White is going to really regret allowing this freakshow to happen, because it will reflect very badly on him and the UFC, it's going to be awful, shameful viewing. The UFC and its fans deserve better than this, it makes a mockery of their sport, which I did very much like and admire before this garbage came to light.:thumbsup Boom

[Enigmadanks]

He would do well only against strikers, anybody with a mediocre ground game attack will submit him, no problem...

[bigG]

way i see it, toney..or any boxer coming to mma, has to be 100% focussed and execute a perfect gameplan even to compete..im a huge fan of toney, but i cant see how he can keep the explosive shoot of lesnar, or even couture off with his hands...i do agree that toney with his timing and experience can put any mma fighter to sleep with those little 4oz gloves..but can he stand upand keep his range long enough to do so....hell, id give a prime tyson a 1 in 10 chance of ko'ing lesnar under mma rules before he ended up on his back....its a mountain for toney to climb, but i hope he has a little success....fuck all this bad for mma/ufc shit...it will create huge crossover interest and huge revenue which wil enable the whole franchise to grow yet further...

there is a very interesting article in this month uk boxing news, dana is interviewed and admits to being a huge boxing fan, but criticises, rightly, the average world title card.....lets be honest, evven in an average ufc card, you will be guaranteed excitement, well matched fighters and action.....in 90% of the bouts...and there will be a lot of bouts......boxing stopped even trying to emu;late this a looong time ago...

[BewareofDawg]

I can't believe he is actually doing this!!! He really could have just trained his ass off, gotten into good shape and had a round robin of fights with Jones and Hopkins and the 3 of them could have made a shitload of money to retire on. What the fuck man! Jesus, he deserves everything he is gonna get now, he really made a mistake by doing this:patsch

Calling himself the Heavyweight Champion of the World :patsch :lol:

The fact that he is calling out Lesnar REALLY makes me think he has absolutely no idea what he's getting himself into. Has he been training MMA?

[BewareofDawg]

He would do well only against strikers, anybody with a mediocre ground game attack will submit him, no problem...
Anderson Silva would absolutely destroy him standing.

[Double Jay]

Ray Sefo was a shit boxer but could still beat a lot of guys in K1 with his punches.

[TerryESB]

God, please let this fight happen.

I wouldn't mind seeing Toney get flattened. They would have to get a spatula get Toney of the canvas!

[Beebs]

This is so goddamned ridiculous, whoever fights Toney had better beat the shit out of him. If they give him some Australian amateur like they did Walker I will be extremely pissed off.

[RUSKULL]

Thats exactly how I see it. Toney with 4 oz gloves would knock 99% of them out cold if landed on them solidly. I have to laugh, when I see alot of these UFC guys get rocked with punches that resemble a Zelenoff left hook. When it comes to chins, most of the UFC guy's are made of glass.

You have to keep in mind the ridiculously small gloves MMA fighters use. That will both help & hurt Toney......................

[Karapuz]

Toney preparing for MMA debut. He looks not that bad
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[dublynflya]

Thread title should read "Toney wants his head caved in"

I'm fucking sick of Toney!! He's a cunt and a disgrace!!

I say let the fat prick fight Lesnar asap!! Hopefully Brock can do us all a favour by smashing his jaw in!!

P.S

I have just viewed the above pic of Toney and for once he looks like he is in some semblance of shape...But I still want to see him cop a hiding (And unlike my American cousins, I wont have to pay).

[Rico Spadafora]

If Lesnar gets him to the ground, it's over. If the fight stays in the air for more than 5 seconds, Brock is getting laid out. UFC fighters might be trained in many different arts of fighting, but only a rare few actually have a decent chin. Most fighters in the UFC usually crumble after the first big punch lands on their chins. We have already seen what happens when a good puncher lands on a MMA fighter, they go to sleep.


:deal

These MMA guys make Amir Khan look like Jake LaMotta in the Chin department. Guys getting brutally KOed by flicking Jabs for christ sakes it is embarrassing.