Racism

[Sheffield Steel]

Unbelievable last night. What is it with fight 'fans'? I watched Amir in Glasgow when all the Asians in the crowd were so intimidated they left the arena but last night was probably worse. The racist abuse hurled at Khan last night was the worst I've witnessed.
Heavy police presence but none of them willing to step in and do anything about it.
As a white Englishman I felt ashamed.

[Jack Dempsey]

What was being said??? I heard a lot of booing, it was a very pro Lawton crowd

[Sheffield Steel]

Full on abuse. 'We hate ****s' 'Black bastard' the usual 'Engerland' shite. One copper had a word with one bloke who totally ignored him and carried on the abuse. Lager fuelled Stoke City fans, bang out of order.

[Jack Dempsey]

Full on abuse. 'We hate ****s' 'Black bastard' the usual 'Engerland' shite. One copper had a word with one bloke who totally ignored him and carried on the abuse. Lager fuelled Stoke City fans, bang out of order.

Really??

All we could pick up from the TV was the booing

[Nemesis]

It's pathetic, there aint much else you can say

[Boro chris]

Don't like to generalise but Staffs, West Midlands and the north west does have problems with racisim. Lived in stoke as a kid and worked in Preston recently and there's a certain 'casual' racisim that was prevalent, more so, I noticed than other parts of the country I've lived in. Just my experience of it anyway.

[Johnboy2007]

I never heard anything on the tv , but if there was its simple not real fans , not worth paying attention to. Its when people give them attention then they think its worth doing. Like the above have said pathetic. And i have a feeling khan is above the comments of some fat middleaged racist.

[Claypole]

Did he enter the ring to **** music last night ? Using racist words yourself does not add anything to the thread.

[bigG]

if this is true its a fuckin disgrace....and, if the cops did nothing about it, they are condoning this behaviour..

[stake501]

Did he enter the ring to **** music last night ? or english music another ****** hand picked fight off his gravy train promotion company

nice trolling

he entered to judge jules i think, does it matter?

[TBooze]

if this is true its a fuckin disgrace....and, if the cops did nothing about it, they are condoning this behaviour..

It is very hard to stop this sort of thing, it is problem with our culture. I do not think you can blame the police for not doing anything, people need to learn.

[Sheffield Steel]

It is very hard to stop this sort of thing, it is problem with our culture. I do not think you can blame the police for not doing anything, people need to learn.

They managed to stop it happening at the football and this was far worse than I've seen at any football match.
The cops had the numbers there but chose not to act, they seemed more concerned with kicking people out for having a cig in the bogs.

[rooq]

like someone said, without want to generalise everyone from these areas, i know racism is a little worse than average in stoke and derby.

one of the problems is the khan-hype machine is creating an anti-khan sentiment and you are going to get racists joining the bandwagon, although they will be boo'ing for different reasons.

theres nothing wrong with disliking a boxer because of his attitidue or level of comp, but keep race out of it

[mmickyward]

the reason the cops didnt do anything is because shouting racist abuse is not actually against the law. inciting racial hatred is .As far as i know none of kahns fans where attacked because of their race.Drunk people will always be a nuisance thats a fact of life and personally i hate it.Its just best to ignore them.

[AAA]

Pretty sure racial discrimination is illegal mmickyward. Certainly enough to get arrested. Do that in the street, at a football ground etc and you'll be straight into a cell.

[brown bomber]

Boxing is always going to bring out the worst in fans due to the nature of what they are concentrating on -a fight! What I will say is that true boxing fans don't see colour they see ability and heart. Khans 'fans' are just as much to blame... when he fought in the ABA's shortly after winning the silver medal the asians who had come to watch him wearing 'property of islam' t shirts with a picture of Khan on them.... If thats not trying to provoke an argument I don't know what is.

[Sheffield Steel]

I went to Khans pro debut in Bolton. His Asian fans were carrying flags made up of both the Union Jack and the ****stan flag. They were singing and dancing and generally having a good time. Sadly, it kicked off in the beer tent afterwards and they were jumped on by white lads.
Every Khan fight I've been to since, his Asian fans have kept a very low profile which I think is a real shame.

[TBooze]

Boxing is always going to bring out the worst in fans due to the nature of what they are concentrating on -a fight! What I will say is that true boxing fans don't see colour they see ability and heart. Khans 'fans' are just as much to blame... when he fought in the ABA's shortly after winning the silver medal the asians who had come to watch him wearing 'property of islam' t shirts with a picture of Khan on them.... If thats not trying to provoke an argument I don't know what is.

I have no faith myself, but if someone one wants to advertise the facts of their faith and if it provokes an argument so be it. My two pence would be you have to have something missing in your life if you need the crutch of some mystical super human power to run your life.

Amir should know the score when you fight in someone else's home town. Sure it leaves a bad taste in the mouth of decent fans of the sport, but we are talking about being a fanatic of a sport that involves two human beings trying to knock each other senseless, so some half wits sprouting racism is IMO no huge deal.

[mike464]

I don't have a problem with the whites getting behind Lawton and the ****s getting behind Khan.

[mmickyward]

asians can be as racist as anyone believe me ive experienced it.I agree with geoff thomas though a fighter should be judged on ability and heart not creed or colour

[IronBull]

I was at the fight last night, I didn't experience any racism but maybe there was a few..

There was a lot of bad behaviour from Lawton fans for being aggressive toward amirs fans. Police have arrested two 2 people from Lawton fans. Amirs fans was staying cool and ignore the trouble. None of amirs fans have been arrested.

[safe_pa]

I don't have a problem with the whites getting behind Lawton and the ****s getting behind Khan.

You're not getting it mate, people can support whoever they want but to hate and intimidate based soley on race or religion is ignorance. lawtons fans should be there to support him not to shout ignorant bullshit at the other fighter or to ruin the night for other fans.

[rooq]

I don't have a problem with the whites getting behind Lawton and the ****s getting behind Khan.

wow..most trolls don't make it up to 400 odd posts

[mike464]

You're not getting it mate, people can support whoever they want but to hate and intimidate based soley on race or religion is ignorance. lawtons fans should be there to support him not to shout ignorant bullshit at the other fighter or to ruin the night for other fans.By shouting "ignorant bullshit" at his opponent they are supporting their man. It's like a football match, you shout stuff at and about the other team.

[mike464]

wow..most trolls don't make it up to 400 odd postsWhy are you calling me a troll?

[rydersonthestorm]

I think it could be for calling kahn asian fans, ****'s fool.

[mike464]

I think it could be for calling kahn asian fans, ****'s fool.I didn't say they are all ****s. I'm sure he has lots of non-**** fans.

[stuey]

it went off at the o2 as well.
khans fans were walking past kev mitchells dagenham boys and they started singing 'shoe, shoe, shoe bombers' then they had a bit of a scuffle..
what confused me was the same dagenham chaps all cheered monty panesar when he walked past?

[rydersonthestorm]

Probably becuase they are morons.

[safe_pa]

By shouting "ignorant bullshit" at his opponent they are supporting their man. It's like a football match, you shout stuff at and about the other team.

:patsch You show support by shouting for your man not shouting derogatory comments at they other guy, you will clearly never see the point I'm trying to make so I'll just say this to you, Your actions and the things you say to people can have concequences, I'm not sure but I assume you're not a child anymore so ignorance will not be a valid excuse for you when your small minded actions affect you in a negative way.

[mike464]

:patsch You show support by shouting for your man not shouting derogatory comments at they other guy, you will clearly never see the point I'm trying to make so I'll just say this to you, Your actions and the things you say to people can have concequences, I'm not sure but I assume you're not a child anymore so ignorance will not be a valid excuse for you when your small minded actions affect you in a negative way.Shouting abuse is not my thing but I don't think it is necessarily wrong.

[AllyT]

I definitely heard England chants. That is a pretty shabby way to treat a lad who has given no hint that he is anything other than a British (English) Asian. The boxer took his defeat with good grace and came across as a decent bloke. He was somewhat let down by sections of his fans it appears.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Unbelievable last night. What is it with fight 'fans'? I watched Amir in Glasgow when all the Asians in the crowd were so intimidated they left the arena but last night was probably worse. The racist abuse hurled at Khan last night was the worst I've witnessed.
Heavy police presence but none of them willing to step in and do anything about it.
As a white Englishman I felt ashamed.

WTF are you on about? I was there, & had a granstand view of everything that was going on. The Khan contingent were winding everyone up all night, & it got to the stage where guys were walking over to them to challenge them as they were being such pricks. luckily for them, they got a police escort out of the Braehead, & while they were, they were obnoxious as fuck. & this is from me, a guy who defends Khan here. & watch the fight again if you have it, & listen to the support Khan received, which was deafening from the majority of the non asian fans. Its all there to see, & hear, as three quarters of the fans in there were white.

So stick your racism claims up your arse.

damn. I never want to get into this sort of shit here, but that post was so fucked up I had to react. Sorry about that.

Khans nuthuggers are arseholes, just look at the Willie Limond montage on Youtube for proof.

Shame, as Khan could have been the one that brought everyone closer together.

But Im no politician, so I will leave it at that.

[IronBull]

Lawtons Fans was causing trouble last night, not khans fans.

[Boro chris]

it went off at the o2 as well.
khans fans were walking past kev mitchells dagenham boys and they started singing 'shoe, shoe, shoe bombers' then they had a bit of a scuffle..
what confused me was the same dagenham chaps all cheered monty panesar when he walked past?

Panesar's a sikh not a muslim. I think that might be a factor.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Lawtons Fans was causing trouble last night, not khans fans.

I dont know if you were talking to me my man, but I just had to pull this guy up for saying Khans fans were the victims in Glasgow. What a load of utter tosh.

Khan fans racially slaughtered Limond, but I wouldnt drag it up here. All this 'racism' bullshit about Khan from anyone who doesnt cheer him on is a joke. But not a funny one.

[PowerPuncher]

SheffieldSteele sounds like a troll

[China_hand_Joe]

Lawton fans are obviously going to have defective minds. You need to have, if you're going to follow such a poor boxer.

[Vantage_West]

the reason the cops didnt do anything is because shouting racist abuse is not actually against the law. inciting racial hatred is .As far as i know none of kahns fans where attacked because of their race.Drunk people will always be a nuisance thats a fact of life and personally i hate it.Its just best to ignore them.yes it is:huh

[eddie007]

I hate to say this, and its not my opinion but....I think in general muslim people are just not liked very much in Britain, this is probably due to the fact of lots of bad publicity. I know its bad to generalise but i think its true.

[italian dragon]

Unbelievable last night. What is it with fight 'fans'? I watched Amir in Glasgow when all the Asians in the crowd were so intimidated they left the arena but last night was probably worse. The racist abuse hurled at Khan last night was the worst I've witnessed.
Heavy police presence but none of them willing to step in and do anything about it.
As a white Englishman I felt ashamed.


A pity that more don't feel as you do, but in saying that, surely the racists were a small minority. :blood

[brown bomber]

Lawton fans are obviously going to have defective minds. You need to have, if you're going to follow such a poor boxer. lol- harsh but funny.

[brown bomber]

Shame, as Khan could have been the one that brought everyone closer together. Gr8 point Dunky- I totally agree but its not over yet! So lets hope the more success Khan gets the more the racists on either 'side' think about what they say and do!

[brown bomber]

I've encountered racism whilst boxing... especially when I'v got a skinhead... all the racist black guys call me a honky and all the racist white guys call me a ***** (sorry to use te word for those offended) and all the racist scottish guys call me 'a wee english bastart!' even though I was born in Holland and neither of my parents are from the UK originally. lol!!! I don't think any boxer would ever be bothered by it.

I think the Irish were the best though.... A mixed race guy with a mancunian sounding accent fighting for the Irish title... When I told people I was fighting for the Irish title they were like '???!' the commentator said that I looked like Ronaldo the cheeky b*****d. Racism encountered in Ireland - zero.

[NOrth]

I attended an impact boxing show (Lawtons home promotion) in Stoke some 12 months ago. It was the worst display of racism ive encountered in any sporitng event, even worse than when Ive been away in europe with the football (and thats saying something). I was surprised when boxing news never mentioned it in their mag actualy, as someone from there covered the show. Regardless, I'd imagine a large section fo the lawton fans who allegedly shouted abuse on sat will have been the same mob that did so up on the balcony at the kings hall.

[robpalmer135]

Panesar's a sikh not a muslim. I think that might be a factor.

i doubt Mitchels fans no the difference. my friend was there said it was all the Stoke guys. there is a problem with racism up North.

[NOrth]

I dont think thats the case "a problem with it up North" , safe to say there are problems everywhere with it. I'd be more inclined to say the problem here is that Lawtons "home" fans are a large contingent of the Stoke Hooligan firm "the norty forty".

[albaneze]

I dont like Khan as a fighter.

But i dont fucking like the Enlgish Fans against him for being full of shite...

The English everywhere they go in the world they do this kind of things, in football and lately also on the Greek Islands as tourists they just mess everything up.

Its so sad that the english society degenerating in this way.

Cheers

[eddie007]

I dont like Khan as a fighter.

But i dont fucking like the Enlgish Fans against him for being full of shite...

The English everywhere they go in the world they do this kind of things, in football and lately also on the Greek Islands as tourists they just mess everything up.

Its so sad that the english society degenerating in this way.

Cheers

Shut up you complete and utter MUG.

[NOrth]

Basically true though isnt it ?

[elle]

I didn't realise how widespread a problem this is at boxing events.

This element would put me off going to see fights as although I'm a fan of the sport i'm not one for confrontation.

On the whole, football has cleaned up its act so perhaps its time boxing did the same if its this prevalent. I know celebrity intervention is no cure all but if high profile boxers were to lend their support to a campaign to stamp it out (as footballers did) these so called fans might think twice before tarnishing the sport.

On a lighter note, its disappointing that some Lawton fans were more up for a fight than he was on Saturday!

[NOrth]

The abuse I witnessed at the kings hall made me feel uncomfortable for the very small minority of ethnic people in the audience, and even more so for a young fighter from derby (can only have been 18 or 19) who fought (and gave big problems to) Chris Edwards. As the hall is only small, and the offending individuals were a good 30-50 strong, and up on the balcony, it was very loud and very clear for long periods of the show. The abuse the young asian fighter received was disgusting.

But hey-ho. Tis the world we live in.

[pijo]

I was at the fight last night, I didn't experience any racism but maybe there was a few..

There was a lot of bad behaviour from Lawton fans for being aggressive toward amirs fans. Police have arrested two 2 people from Lawton fans. Amirs fans was staying cool and ignore the trouble. None of amirs fans have been arrested.The two blokes arrested were fighting over vale and stoke(football) local rivals both from stoke-on-trent. Also khans fans were inciting it, mainly the younger asians.

[NOrth]

Assume your a Lwton fan? Did you attend the Lawton Judex Meema fight?

[rydersonthestorm]

Stoke is in the midlands, not up north and the midlands and stafforshire area's are known for racism.

[Sheffield Steel]

A few people have said that some of Khans Asian fans are racist, I haven't seen it but I don't dispute it either. I go along to support Amir because I love boxing and I appreciate his talents. I wonder how many of his Asian fans support him because they love the sport or because of his race.

[NOrth]

Stoke is in the midlands, not up north and the midlands and stafforshire area's are known for racism.

I dont know enough about it, where is "known for it" , and where isnt. I would however argue that there is racism in every area of the UK. It's maybe more "known" in areas with a dense mixed race population as thats where there'd be more attacks ?


Regardless of where is known and where isnt, its not good is it. It should also be within the remit of police and stewards to chuck people who chant abuse out. It should also be printed in programmes and posters in the venue stating that ANY acts of racism will result in expulsion fomr the venue.

[rydersonthestorm]

It's funny how people go on about the asians being racist but i am white as white can be and have never been racialy abused by an asian, infact they have always treated me well whenever i have been in to wilmslow road, to the restraunts or cafe's even though i was the only white guy in there.

[mann187]

Im Indian and live in Chesterfield which is pretty much 99% white and know that the mind set of most people here is still to accept that the word **** is not offensive to asians, they assume its like calling someone aussie and still use the term **** shop.

Now the problem has cleared up a lot over the years but you do still get the typical hooligan type bloke that has nothing better to do than stir shit up with racist profanity.

But I also know that some asians like to provoke as well such as some of my cousins and some muslim friends, they generally live in asian populated areas. So basically where ever you go in England there is always gonna be this type of bullshit and while unfair to most fans who just come to enjoy boxing its always gonna be there to some degree.

End of the day Khans fans went home happier their man won and lawtons fans went away knowing that their man got beat. Anyway Lawton seems like a decent bloke as does Amir so that what really should be looked at.

[timber]

whenever i have been in to wilmslow road, to the restraunts or cafe's ....


mmmmmmm.........Wilmslow road,,,,,food...kebabs,buna,sheesh,lassi...lovely!!!!!!:tired

[rydersonthestorm]

Defo mate there some lovely food there

[doggyland]

Not excusing any of it - but as Stuey said it was handbags at the O2 too...Monty got a heroe's welcome - Khan was not racially abused as far as i remember , but his fans were escorted by police through the bar area when all the Mitchell fans were drinking and the fact that most of his fans wore traditional ****stani clothes seemed to give the green light to some drunk idiots to shout 'shoe bomber' as they looked like the shoe bomber bloke...Some Khan fans reacted with the V for victory sign and some sxcrewed up faces that was meant with some plastic glasses being thrown and very half hearted charge from the Mitchell brigade...All very sad and stupid and all handbags.

IMO - if there was no police escort and the Khan fans left without having to move en-masse - it would seem less confrontational to the small minded.

I blame alot of it on the likes of ****** - aligning his fighters to local football clubs like West Ham - it becomes an extension of the football rivalry - without the restrictions you get at the football...Very convenient for someone who wants to get that 'riot' buzz going on.

Football and boxing are so different for me - i hate to see it going down the football route.
:?

[rydersonthestorm]

To be fair the word **** was not meant as a racist term to start with, it was the name of the ****stan crickets team, they where called the ****'s however morons just call any asian a **** and think it's ok, when obviously it's not. It has been turned into an offensive word and isn't acceptable.

[doggyland]

To be fair the word **** was not meant as a racist term to start with, it was the name of the ****stan crickets team, they where called the ****'s however morons just call any asian a **** and think it's ok, when obviously it's not. It has been turned into an offensive word and isn't acceptable.

'****' in England is an offensive word imo.

[rydersonthestorm]

It's offence thats what i said, but it's origins are non offensive.

[Scar]

Thats enough for now.

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