What’s All This Fraud Sh*t?

[Superheavyweight]

Are we as fans really that shallow?

Every fighter gets knocked down… how many undisputed champions have never hit the canvas?

This is boxing… the art of fighting.

Human beings aren’t invincible machines, anyone is capable of being put down or knocked out.

I’d like to see some of you chin experts take a punch flush from a 200 lbs man… then we’ll see what a fraud is.

[skellington]

How anyone can claim to be a fan of the sport and then insult a fighter when he loses a fair fight is beyond me.

[marauder1999]

Well put. But too many people are stuck in the motto of, "What have you done for me lately". :-(

[geppy]

Sure you would think that. You also think Audley Harrison is going to be the unidisputed WBC/IBF/WBO/WBA HW champion , and avenge every lose he has had in the process, lol .

[SevenSamurai]

If ever the word fraud described a professional boxer, then audley harrison is that boxer.

[pipe wrenched]

No doubt. Same with any dumb ass that been spouting about Taylor being fraud as well.:patsch

[Spitfire7]

...to think he is a fraud would mean that I would have to think he was something special to begin with.

:goodRight on the money!

[El Bombasto]

Are we as fans really that shallow?

Every fighter gets knocked down… how many undisputed champions have never hit the canvas?

This is boxing… the art of fighting.

Human beings aren’t invincible machines, anyone is capable of being put down or knocked out.

I’d like to see some of you chin experts take a punch flush from a 200 lbs man… then we’ll see what a fraud is.

peter's not a fraud, overrated hype-job is a more appropriate description here

[Motor City Sam]

Are we as fans really that shallow?

Every fighter gets knocked down… how many undisputed champions have never hit the canvas?

This is boxing… the art of fighting.

Human beings aren’t invincible machines, anyone is capable of being put down or knocked out.

I’d like to see some of you chin experts take a punch flush from a 200 lbs man… then we’ll see what a fraud is.

Good post. To answer your question, yes, some boxing "Fans" are that shallow.

[El Bombasto]

This is a overrated hype-job


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[El Bombasto]

and this is a fraud

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[Pro]

I don't think Sam Peter is a fraud. For me to think he is a fraud would mean that I would have to think he was something special to begin with.

^^^couldn't agree more main haha!!!

[El Bombasto]

any questions?

[Heavyrighthand]

Are we as fans really that shallow?

Every fighter gets knocked down… how many undisputed champions have never hit the canvas?

This is boxing… the art of fighting.

Human beings aren’t invincible machines, anyone is capable of being put down or knocked out.

I’d like to see some of you chin experts take a punch flush from a 200 lbs man… then we’ll see what a fraud is.

Great post.

This forum is FULL of 12 year olds who constantly post childish bullshit, like this fraud nonsense. I think its gettting real old and real annoying.

Ignore it is my advice. Wade through the playground posts and look for the intelligent and meaningful posts.

Maybe start an East Side Boxing forum for those kids under 14 years old, which would probably be half the members on this site, given how many childish posts there are, lately.

[BigReg]

any questions?

Yes, Peter's only loss was a decision to the guy who is considered the no.1 heavyweight, so how is he a hypejob? Yes, he was knocked down 3 times by an inferior fighter, but he came back to win. Wlad has been Knocked down and out by inferior opponents, Lennox Lewis was twice KO'd by inferior opponents. However, I don't think most people would label either one of these guys as hypejobs.

[AJAX]

I don't think he is a fraud. but some people on here were talking like he is going to kill everyone in front of him. he showed that he can be knocked down but he also showed he can go 12 rounds and win UD's as well.He has never KO'd a top 30 fighter so maybe some people will get off his sack a bit.

[El Bombasto]

Yes, Peter's only loss was a decision to the guy who is considered the no.1 heavyweight, so how is he a hypejob? Yes, he was knocked down 3 times by an inferior fighter, but he came back to win. Wlad has been Knocked down and out by inferior opponents, Lennox Lewis was twice KO'd by inferior opponents. However, I don't think most people would label either one of these guys as hypejobs.

1-he has 1 knockout in his last 6 fights, at this point it's fair to say that his power is overrated.

2-he got dropped three times by a journeyman with a 50% ko percentage, so it's safe to say he doesn't have the granite chin every thought

3-he just went life-and-death against a last minute sub and perpetual loser

24 hours earlier people were calling him the saviour of the heavyweight division. so, yes, overrated hype-job is appropriate.

[Zakman]

and this is a fraud

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One correction - that's GLASS-JAWED fraud!! :lol:

[AJAX]

so Zack what do you think of your super hero Peter now, didn't you say mcline would be out of there early:yep

[BigReg]

1-he has 1 knockout in his last 6 fights, at this point it's fair to say that his power is overrated.

2-he got dropped three times by a journeyman with a 50% ko percentage, so it's safe to say he doesn't have the granite chin every thought

3-he just went life-and-death against a last minute sub and perpetual loser

24 hours earlier people were calling him the saviour of the heavyweight division. so, yes, overrated hype-job is appropriate.

The lack of KO's is misleading. He fought Toney twice, and nobody has ever knocked him out. Sam Peter became only the second guy to knock him down. Another one of those fights was against the no.1 HW and he scored 3 KD's and one was against a much bigger guy who employed the Wlad Strategy of holding everytime Peter got on the inside. Yes, got knocked down by a journeyman, but so has other top heavyweights. Peter really only had one life and death round. He pretty much controlled the rest of the fight. This definately wasn't a great performance, but that's going to happen. I think it's too early to call him a hypejob .

[El Bombasto]

The lack of KO's is misleading. He fought Toney twice, and nobody has ever knocked him out. Sam Peter became only the second guy to knock him down. Another one of those fights was against the no.1 HW and he scored 3 KD's and one was against a much bigger guy who employed the Wlad Strategy of holding everytime Peter got on the inside. Yes, got knocked down by a journeyman, but so has other top heavyweights. Peter really only had one life and death round. He pretty much controlled the rest of the fight. This definately wasn't a great performance, but that's going to happen. I think it's too early to call him a hypejob .

i suppose you still believe he's the savior of the heavyweight division?

[bachatu]

Everyone here is getting a bit over board with the fraud titles..they are practically requesting for the feds of boxing to validate his passport.

[BigReg]

i suppose you still believe he's the savior of the heavyweight division?

When did I ever say this? I certainly don't think he's the savior of the division, but he's not a hypejob either. He's a good fighter who can compete with anyone in the division

[El Bombasto]

When did I ever say this? I certainly don't think he's the savior of the division, but he's not a hypejob either. He's a good fighter who can compete with anyone in the division

sounds like you didn't buy the hype, however a large contingent in this forum and in the sport considered peter a great power puncher (he's not) who would unify the titles (he won't) and was destined to be the next great champion (not happening). it's safe to say that those people were overrating and hyping sam peter. (and don't worry, your disposition on this matter has been duely noted).

[brooklyn1550]

Good post...he's not a fraud, just a kid who couldn't live up to the hype

[the mean machine]

If this board with these people existed in he 70s, we would have threads about Hagler being a paper champ not fighting real guys

And George Foreman a overhyped bum with a weak chin for being beaten by weak hitter Ali.

I don't want to compare those guys with the current ones but you get the drift.

[Scar]

Are we as fans really that shallow?

Every fighter gets knocked down… how many undisputed champions have never hit the canvas?

This is boxing… the art of fighting.

Human beings aren’t invincible machines, anyone is capable of being put down or knocked out.

I’d like to see some of you chin experts take a punch flush from a 200 lbs man… then we’ll see what a fraud is.

You can't really explain that to 12 year olds and jerk off to usernames of the 2-3 girls that post here no matter how hard you tried. :good

[BigReg]

Don't forget that he really should have lost to James Toney in their first fight.

I had Toney winning that fight, but Peter beat him with relative ease in the second fight.

[Zakman]

so Zack what do you think of your super hero Peter now, didn't you say mcline would be out of there early:yep

Truthfully? As a fan, I'm a little disappointed. I really thought Peter was gonna make a statement here, and not only didn't he do that, he revealed some vulnerabilities that were not apparent before this (less than granite chin).

However, I've been following boxing long enough to know better than to make premature judgements. Peter is still young enough where he can learn from this and improve - and there were SOME encouraging signs. Most importantly - like Wlad, btw, who gets WAY overly criticized for his chin - he showed HEART and RESILIANCE in getting off the canvas to win the fight.

Could Peter still unify?? In today's HW division, it's possible. I'm not as confident as I once was - but let's say he blows away Maskaev in his next fight (which I still think he will). People will start singing his praises again. Boxing is very much a "what have you done for me lately" sport. The adage "you're only as good as your last fight" is very much in operation most of the time.

[raiderjay]

I couldn't agree more with those who are tired of anyone who either loses or has a bad outing but still wins as being "overrated,fraud,hype-job,etc." It's unfortunate that so many of today's "fans" are willing to condemn any fighter that doesn't completely dominate his opponent every time he steps into the ring.

I don't think any boxing writer, or fan for that matter that knows ANYTHING about boxing ever thought Peter was or is ever going to be anything more than an above average title holder. At best. If anything, I came away more impressed with Peter last night than I was going into the fight. He showed heart and determination, which is something we didn't know he had. Now these clowns on the message boards want to say his chin is suspect, blah, blah, blah. Your chin is only suspect if you don't get back up. Period. Does it mean that Marciano's chin was suspect because he was knocked down numerous times? Was MAB's chin suspect because he went down mulitple times in his career? What about RJJ because he got knocked down by Lou Del Valle?

[El Bombasto]

I had Toney winning that fight, but Peter beat him with relative ease in the second fight.

i had peter winning the second fight 11 round to 1, but that was clearly not the same james toney imo

[ron u.k.]

it's one of the buzzwords on here normally perpetrated by huggers of a particular fighter to go with "ducking".

[sst]

Truthfully? As a fan, I'm a little disappointed. I really thought Peter was gonna make a statement here, and not only didn't he do that, he revealed some vulnerabilities that were not apparent before this (less than granite chin).

However, I've been following boxing long enough to know better than to make premature judgements. Peter is still young enough where he can learn from this and improve - and there were SOME encouraging signs. Most importantly - like Wlad, btw, who gets WAY overly criticized for his chin - he showed HEART and RESILIANCE in getting off the canvas to win the fight.

Could Peter still unify?? In today's HW division, it's possible. I'm not as confident as I once was - but let's say he blows away Maskaev in his next fight (which I still think he will). People will start singing his praises again. Boxing is very much a "what have you done for me lately" sport. The adage "you're only as good as your last fight" is very much in operation most of the time.
Less than granite is a understatement. How about on par with very thin china. Come on Zak this guy is showtimes version of Jermain Taylor execpt Jermain has skills to go with his shaky chin. No one is going to tell me a durable heavyweight contender would have not shaken off thoes shots without ever seeing the canvas. Peter has fought 4 times against fighters that were not scrubs he has been hurt in three of thoes fights. Does the name Joe Mesi ring a bell. It should since he was also hurt in all of his fights since he left the "C" grade gong show he also made his career on. Peter is done, everyone and their dogs want him in the ring to get a crack at that shaky chin. This fraud is getting ktfo and his paper belt will be a distant memory. You need a chin to compete at the top level of the heavyweight division and he does not have one. It is as simple as that.

[Punisher33]

Less than granite is a understatement. How about on par with very thin china. Come on Zak this guy is showtimes version of Jermain Taylor execpt Jermain has skills to go with his shaky chin. No one is going to tell me a durable heavyweight contender would have not shaken off thoes shots without ever seeing the canvas. Peter has fought 4 times against fighters that were not scrubs he has been hurt in three of thoes fights. Does the name Joe Mesi ring a bell. It should since he was also hurt in all of his fights since he left the "C" grade gong show he also made his career on. Peter is done, everyone and their dogs want him in the ring to get a crack at that shaky chin. This fraud is getting ktfo and his paper belt will be a distant memory. You need a chin to compete at the top level of the heavyweight division and he does not have one. It is as simple as that. Wlad dont have a good chin by any means and hes thought of as the best heavywieght title holder right now, give the guy a break he just had a bad night and still came back win it.

[ripcity]

It is easier to seem like you know what your talking about when you are nagitive about something (in this case boxing) than when you are positive about it.