****** has a dig at Hatton Promotions

[ishy]

From his latest column.


If Hatton quits he will leave quite a legacy - he's one of the better and most exciting fighters to have come out of Britain in the last 10 years, and a great ticket seller.

But I don't think he made the full use of his talent, and he let himself down by failing to look after himself outside of the ring. No athlete can live the way Hatton does and stay at the top.

His only two losses were against P4P greats Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao, but recently he's struggled against average fighters.

After both defeats he blamed everyone - including his trainers - but himself.

Yes he wasn't good enough, but he would have stood more of a chance if he'd lived the life.

Hatton's greatest moment came in his last fight for me - his stoppage of Kotsya Tszyu to win the IBF light-welterweight title.

After that he was a major star, but I don't think he was ever quite the same as a fighter

And I still believe that Hatton would have stood his best chance of beating Mayweather immediately after the Tszyu fight.

At that stage Hatton was flying because he was fighting regularly, while Mayweather was really struggling to make light-welterweight.

If Hatton had taken home advantage into the fight - a big if - it could have made things very interesting.

But it wouldn't have been as financially big as when they finally got it on at the end of 2007.

I'm sure Hatton's bank manager is glad they fought later rather than sooner, only time will tell if his doctor agrees.

Now Hatton is forging a second career on the other side of the ropes as a promoter.

He'll find out that it's not as easy as it looks and often a very expensive exercise.

Hatton reportedly lost £200,000 on a recent Matt Macklin fight - and now Macklin's reported as saying that it won't be long before he's a free agent.Also a dig at Haye:


Vitali Klitschko will now defend his world title against limited Pole Albert Sosnowski, hardly a fight to get excited about.

It could have an impact on David Haye though as original opponent Nikolay Valuev has declined the fight to allow Sosnowski to get a shot.

That could well mean Valuev's promoters will look to use one of the options they have over Haye to enforce the rematch clause with the giant Russian - great news for insomniacs.:lol::lol::lol:

Frank has a surprising similar writing style to Flint :think

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[Dan684]

Spot on on both points :good

[HitmanHatton]

That is nothing new from Frank ******, he's always having a go at fighters he used to promote and then who ditched him.

Haye, I reckon would rather give up the title rather than have a rematch with Valuev, whats he got to gain from a rematch?

[kosaros]

Yeah read his comments in the Sun - never mentioned the Macklin bit though :think

[chrisfinch]

"****** in badmouthing rivals SHOCKER"

:roll:

[safc1990]

First I've heard about Macklin and the £200k loss.

[Dan684]

i don't see the problem ? People on here make a mountain out of a molehill with ****** ? Neither are particularly bad and both points are very valid

[GazOC]

i don't see the problem ? People on here make a mountain out of a molehill with ****** ? Neither are particularly bad and both points are very valid

You mean like that phone call Calzaghe may have made to Kessler?;)

[Dan684]

You mean like that phone call Calzaghe may have made to Kessler?;)

Shut Up !:lol:

We all know the phone call WAS made :deal

[achillesthegreat]

I don't think a man who promoted WBU fights so heavily has a right to criticise ANYTHING about boxing.

[lefthook82]

200K is a big loss

[xoborp]

200K is a big loss

are you talking about money he lost, or the weight he needs to lose:D:D:D

[AffectedToaster]

Does Valuev have a rematch clause with Haye? I hope not

[Mazallan]

Frank ****** talks alot of sense. Not nice stuff but he hits the nail on the head at times.

[achillesthegreat]

Does Valuev have a rematch clause with Haye? I hope not

i believe so. the win was not clear cut in everyones mind. haye could certainly make it clearer cut. the brits just got carried away with the W.

it was an MD, it was controversial, it was incredibly boring, it could be better.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think people a lot of the boxing fraternity were feeling let down with the performance because they saw that a 46 year old Holyfield did equally as good a job on the giant Russian, if not better.... barring the 12th round big shot.

The general public thought it was great because they were on the edge of their seats, how could such a small (by comparison) fighter beat such a big lump.

On the column, I think it's right what he says. Hatton would probably have had a better chance against Floyd in 2005 - there wasn't as much wear and tear on him as there was in 2007.... as for the weight issue I don't think it was as big a deal as many people like to make of it.

Hatton did the weight right and was in great shape for the fight, but ignored his corner and went hell for leather and was KO'd.

It's plainly obvious that Hatton was never in that league, but it would have been easy to hide behind a title and fight mandatories rather than to take his shot - and fair play to him for doing so.

[Strike]

i don't see the problem ? People on here make a mountain out of a molehill with ****** ? Neither are particularly bad and both points are very valid

The second point is a shit one on ******s part. King et al have options on 3 fights with Haye, one is this next one against Ruiz. That leaves them with only 2 bouts to cash in and make as much money as they can off Haye before he is a free man, so why the fuck would they push for a rematch of a fight that does not interest the US in general, was boring the first time around and is never going to sell as well in terms of PPV as a multitude of other options?

[scurlaruntings]

I don't think a man who promoted WBU fights so heavily has a right to criticise ANYTHING about boxing.:thumbsup The jury rests.

[carrotcruncher]

I think people a lot of the boxing fraternity were feeling let down with the performance because they saw that a 46 year old Holyfield did equally as good a job on the giant Russian, if not better.... barring the 12th round big shot.

The general public thought it was great because they were on the edge of their seats, how could such a small (by comparison) fighter beat such a big lump.

On the column, I think it's right what he says. Hatton would probably have had a better chance against Floyd in 2005 - there wasn't as much wear and tear on him as there was in 2007.... as for the weight issue I don't think it was as big a deal as many people like to make of it.

Hatton did the weight right and was in great shape for the fight, but ignored his corner and went hell for leather and was KO'd.

It's plainly obvious that Hatton was never in that league, but it would have been easy to hide behind a title and fight mandatories rather than to take his shot - and fair play to him for doing so.

let's hope he can still remember the number of his bank account when he is 40

[Tony Bellew]

Hatton is defintly losing on his shows, When he announces his retirement his promotionl outfit will most definitly suffer as his pull with sky will drop!! His shows are never full..he's bidding top money for fights when they simply ain't worth that much,If he carries on I can see it being folded within 18 to 24 months, It's just too much.:-(

[sg85]

i believe so. the win was not clear cut in everyones mind. haye could certainly make it clearer cut. the brits just got carried away with the W.

it was an MD, it was controversial, it was incredibly boring, it could be better.

Im 100% certain that the Valuev rematch will not happen.
a) Nobody wants it too
b) Valuev will not want to give up home advantage by fighting in UK
c) Haye will pay him step-aside money and fight the more lucrative fight vs. one of the Klits.... providing he beats Ruiz.

[carrotcruncher]

Hatton is defintly losing on his shows, When he announces his retirement his promotionl outfit will most definitly suffer as his pull with sky will drop!! His shows are never full..he's bidding top money for fights when they simply ain't worth that much,If he carries on I can see it being folded within 18 to 24 months, It's just too much.:-(

As you know only too well Tony, the promotional game needs a hell of a lot of hard work and organisation to make it pay. Spending days utterly hammered is not how it is done. My suspicion is that he only got his Sky dates because he was fighting, not unlike Haye with Setanta. I would be surprised to see him stick at it/

[Beeston Brawler]

Sky have always given him exactly what he wants, I don't see that changing for a while yet unless he really starts putting on shit fights on a regular basis.

The next Sky date doesn't look too promising though, Anthony Small and Matthew Hatton on the same bill...... I think I'll watch the Eastenders repeat on BBC 3 thanks.

[Ezekiel]

No issues for Hatton Promotions with Sky - dates are set - maybe Mr ****** has though ?
Has Mr ****** a TV contract ?
For instance does anyone know which TV outlet will be showing the Mitchell bill, which happens to be a Saturday, and worse than that FA Cup Final day !
Hatton Promotions are in it for the long haul.

[kosaros]

No issues for Hatton Promotions with Sky - dates are set - maybe Mr ****** has though ?
Has Mr ****** a TV contract ?
For instance does anyone know which TV outlet will be showing the Mitchell bill, which happens to be a Saturday, and worse than that FA Cup Final day !
Hatton Promotions are in it for the long haul.

******, as far as I know, doesn't have a TV contract.

[Ezekiel]

Bit rich then havin a dig at Promotors who do.

[Flea Man]

I imagine Haye-Valuev 2 would not be the exact same fight though. I imagine it would be over here and that Haye would open up earlier, encouraged by the final round from the first fight.

[GazOC]

Wouldn't start up promotional outfits like Hattons, who wanted to fast track to the top of the pile, expect to lose money on their shows for the first 2 or 3 years?

I know we have several high-flying, international business entreprenuer types on the Brit forum. May be they could shed some light....?

[Paddy]

Wouldn't start up promotional outfits like Hattons, who wanted to fast track to the top of the pile, expect to lose money on their shows for the first 2 or 3 years?

I know we have several high-flying, international business entreprenuer types on the Brit forum. May be they could shed some light....?

rule number 1 of promoting NEVER put on a show with your own money:deal

as far as I am aware Macklin has a 4 fight deal with hatton

his last fight in Ireland didnt count as one of the four so thats 3 fights and I think Ricky wants him to get a world title fight by then

[UndisputedUK]

It all helps to promote Hatton and Haye if it's in the Sun newspaper.
It's all publicity so they are not bothered. ;)

[Tony Bellew]

******, as far as I know, doesn't have a TV contract.

Time and patience are of the essence my friend...:good Maybe something is coming;)

[avidlemon]

Time and patience are of the essence my friend...:good Maybe something is coming;)

very cryptic tony, gis a clue :good

[Beeston Brawler]

I don't think Sky should give promoters deals.

They should purchase shows on an event by event basis - and exercise a right to veto potentially weak events.... rather than operating a ''every main event must be a title fight'' policy and just handing out the cash.

[Tony Bellew]

very cryptic tony, gis a clue :good


I ain't got a clue what you mean my friend?? :good

[HitmanHatton]

This is a question for Tony, is the Kevin Mitchell v Michael Katsidis fight definitely at Upton Park and will you be on the bill?

[kosaros]

Time and patience are of the essence my friend...:good Maybe something is coming;)

Be good if he does :good

He has the best roster of fighters in the UK so would make sense for him to get a deal sorted and start putting more shows on.

[Betty Swollocks]

****** is right. And why wouldn't he feel a bit bitter about Hatton using him them callously dumping him when it suited himself. Always about Wicky 'Atton.
Ask Billy Graham how the Hatton shower operate.

[TheUzi]

****** is right. And why wouldn't he feel a bit bitter about Hatton using him them callously dumping him when it suited himself. Always about Wicky 'Atton.
Ask Billy Graham how the Hatton shower operate.

Poor Frank...

why do bad things happen to good people?

[BrummyLad]

****** is right. And why wouldn't he feel a bit bitter about Hatton using him them callously dumping him when it suited himself. Always about Wicky 'Atton.
Ask Billy Graham how the Hatton shower operate.

Your hatred is growing on me :D
You defo have a point in regards to the way he dropped Billy Graham. T'was Cunts trick to play in fairness..

[GazOC]

Your hatred is growing on me :D
You defo have a point in regards to the way he dropped Billy Graham. T'was Cunts trick to play in fairness..


Billys now on his ranch in America. He's done OK.

[UndisputedUK]

Time and patience are of the essence my friend...:good Maybe something is coming;)


Hello Tony,

Popularity and fan support are often a big part of most sportspersons success. As well as physical training, gym work and winning fights, how much emphasis do your management and trainers put into developing you as an individual so that you appeal to the general public as well as sportfans?

Charity work, guest appearances and writing on sports forums helps I guess?

Regards

UndisputedUK

[GazOC]

Why the formal letter?;)

[dondada]

Those on the receiving end of the criticism should take a leaf out of ******'s book - start court proceedings for defamation.

The claim doesn't have to have any merit, of course.

[wrimc]

Those on the receiving end of the criticism should take a leaf out of ******'s book - start court proceedings for defamation.

The claim doesn't have to have any merit, of course.
Great shout i don't like the way ****** does that and seems to win a lot

[JonOli]

Sadly, for the fan, I doubt Hatton Promotions will run any different from ******s outfit.

[kosaros]

Sadly, for the fan, I doubt Hatton Promotions will run any different from ******s outfit.

The way that they have started out, I beg to differ.

[JonOli]

The way that they have started out, I beg to differ.


Well, you may well be right, but I have to say, my hopes are not too high in the long term, I hope I'm wrong.

[UndisputedUK]

Why the formal letter?;)

:good Just being nice, perhaps he would reply then GazOC.

No seriously, I type so many emails at work that I nearly always write regards or thanks afterwards. :smooch

Regards

UndisputedUK