View Full Version : What do you think of Khan performance last night?
IronBull
10-07-2007, 11:35 AM
It was good performance. Kahn looked sharper for sure last night - more relaxed. I think people are being a little too critical. Lawton is of a similar standard to limmond, khan has just improved. Oh yeah he has improved his defence!
rydersonthestorm
10-07-2007, 11:37 AM
I find it funny that 6 fights ago people where saying kahn had no power, now they have seen he does they have moved onto his chin. If he fights thaxton and get's hit and survives people when then say he has something else wrong with him. If he was the greatest fighter of all time people would still try to pick his talent apart.
Strike
10-07-2007, 11:48 AM
Excellent performance, I need to rewatch it because I felt the stoppage was premature. Lawton was covering up and did not appear to be taking too many shots clean on the chin that were dangerous, his guard was still up etc. But he was getting stopped regardless.
Best performance so far from Khan for a number of reasons.
1. He held a guard until he realised Lawton was out of his depth. This shows that he really has learnt from the Limond fight, he was far more professional about keeping his gloves up.
2. He was much more patient. He would fire in a great hurtful combination and then step back, return to the jab and wait for a gap, he was less eager to wade in, still did it a bit,but against someone who shows more aggression he will probably be more careful and that is good.
3. Power wise he is really coming on leaps and bounds. He has never looked like a banger even when stopping early opponents, but in stopping Limmond and having him down he showed his power had improved and in stopping a guy in 4 who went 7 with Thaxton he has shown an even greater step up in his power. You can see the shots are stinging, hurtful punches and that increase in power as he has filled out is obvious.
He should definitely be looking towards Thaxton now, interesting fight and for the first time I would have Khan as a favourite, but he would just have to be wary of the power shots.
Big Ears
10-07-2007, 11:53 AM
It was a good performance(what I expected really) and exactly what someone with World aspirations should be doing .
However I knew some people who say it was a big improvement from the Limond fight(which it was) because Limond is on another level to Lawton .
Unlike what IronBull said Lawton is not of a similar standard to Limond , he doesn't have the handspeed of Limond(which is very good) , the defence and head movement and most of all the belief and desire of Limond to come forward and look to actually win the fight . Limond hits harder than Lawton and would never be a rabbit in the headlights no matter who he fights . Lawton was startstruck and seemed just happy to be there , his comments after the fight were a bit pitiful as he went over the top in his praise for Khan and seemed to indicate that deep down he didn't believe he could win .
rydersonthestorm
10-07-2007, 12:03 PM
The whole point is people are saying he was starstruck etc but could it not have been that kahn was to good for him and he was shcoked by the fact that kahn picked his shot's and then came out and did what he was meant to.
Agree with Big Ears. Khan looked a lot sharper, and his defence tighter, but I thought Lawton was a fairly big step back from Limond. Maybe he didn't do himself justice and froze, but Limond was actually interested in making a fight of it.
Lawton got backed up throughout the fight and was rarely throwing anything. Limond met Khan head on, and traded a lot of shots. Same result in the end, sure...but a lot less of a test for Khan lastnight.
SevenSamurai
10-07-2007, 12:14 PM
It was definately Khans best performance technically. However, the quality of the opponent is an issue for me in all of this.
Strike
10-07-2007, 12:16 PM
It was definitely a step back, but a fair enough fight to take. The thing is that Thaxton looked so shaky that I would favour Khan slightly now, whereas before I thought Thaxton would stop him. That scenario is still very plausible because Thaxton would at least believe in himself and try to win and he has the power.
I just thought that Khan looked more sensible and even when it was obvious he could bulldozer Lawton he looked to box more professionally.
Maza1987
10-07-2007, 12:19 PM
hes ready for earl then thaxton
rydersonthestorm
10-07-2007, 12:33 PM
Ok barring a couple of great mexicans etc who has fought better competion at the age of 20 than amir kahn???
mmickyward
10-07-2007, 12:35 PM
i was very impressed with kahns timing and patience.His best performance so far. earl then thaxton i hope.Both very winnable for him
TBooze
10-07-2007, 12:35 PM
Thank god this forum was not around during Bruno's or Lewis' learning fights...
As Lennox found out, being on TV from fight one is a doubled edged sword, sure you get excellent publicity and no doubt the money that comes with that, but everyone gets to see you learn on the job and make sometimes fairly big mistakes.
Boxrec to is to a degree a god send but it now means promoters can not fake pro records of opponents so easily as well.
The truth is, if Amir was a normal fighter only now would his fights be shown on TV and he would be fighting with a clean slate so to speak because no one would of seen his warts and all performances against the likes of Drilzane and Limond. And if your first experience of Amir was last night, you surely would of been fairly impressed?
rydersonthestorm
10-07-2007, 12:37 PM
That is the best post i have heard in regards to kahn tbooze .
Strike
10-07-2007, 12:51 PM
Thank god this forum was not around during Bruno's or Lewis' learning fights...
As Lennox found out, being on TV from fight one is a doubled edged sword, sure you get excellent publicity and no doubt the money that comes with that, but everyone gets to see you learn on the job and make sometimes fairly big mistakes.
Boxrec to is to a degree a god send but it now means promoters can not fake pro records of opponents so easily as well.
The truth is, if Amir was a normal fighter only now would his fights be shown on TV and he would be fighting with a clean slate so to speak because no one would of seen his warts and all performances against the likes of Drilzane and Limond. And if your first experience of Amir was last night, you surely would of been fairly impressed?
That is a good post and I agree in the main, and said this several times myself.
But I am not sure about your examples, in Lennox Lewis' 15th fight he took on Gary Mason who was 35-0 with 33 KO wins. And other guys like Hamed won the European title in his 12th fight.
Don't get me wrong I think it is normal for the first 8-9 fights to be nothing matches and then a gradual but real step up from there.
Khan has been over criticised for this due to the exposure like you say, but if he is as good as he says and as he is touted as being then there cannot be any more poor fights made, but in fairness I think Limmond was a great step up and exactly what he needed.
Going into his 15th fight now Earl is exactly where he should be.
eddie007
10-07-2007, 12:55 PM
That is the best post i have heard in regards to kahn tbooze .
Agreed
stake501
10-07-2007, 12:57 PM
impressed...yes
totally convinced.....no
well up for the rollercoaster ride his career might be......most definately
Lawton is of a similar standard to limmond, khan has just improved.
Care to elaborate on that IronBull?
I agree Khan has improved but Limond is in a different class to Lawton.
Lawtons credentials suggested he was a step backwards before the fight but having seen it the guy didn't prove himself to be a worthy challenger on the night - I don't know what his gameplan was or if he had one but very poor and disappointing performance from him.
Limond tested Khan, put him down for the first time in his pro career and didn't give up his Title without a fight so could be thoroughly proud of his performance.
Lawton did not give a good account of himself in my view and you could be forgiven for forgetting he was actually headlining a bill on national TV and challenging for a Title - complete letdown and simply no comparison with Limond.
rydersonthestorm
10-07-2007, 01:19 PM
I am pretty sure if kahn had fought the way he did last night against limond he would have beaten him alot easier, against limond he underestimated him and thats why he got caught. Even a feather fisted puncher can put a guy down if they connect at the right time. Also why is lawton worse than limond couldn't it be to do with kahn improving and fighting alot better rather than just aying his opponent is weak.
i don't think lawton and limond are comparable but at the same time i wouldn't dismiss lawton so quickly. lawton is a seasoned lightweight campaigner but not as skilled as limond who is inexperienced at this weight. also, at least lawton has had stoppages at lightweight before.
also lawton has challenged for the british lightweight title already and did pretty well up until the fight was stopped.
i think lawton either underperformed last night or was made to look poor by khan.
Big Ears
10-07-2007, 01:32 PM
I am pretty sure if kahn had fought the way he did last night against limond he would have beaten him alot easier, against limond he underestimated him and thats why he got caught. Even a feather fisted puncher can put a guy down if they connect at the right time. Also why is lawton worse than limond couldn't it be to do with kahn improving and fighting alot better rather than just aying his opponent is weak.
Limond made Khan fight the way he did , that's why he didn't look so good against Limond . From the first bell Willie moved forward and looked to actually hit Khan with punches..........a concept Lawton seemed to struggle with .
I already pointed out things Limond does better(far better) than Lawton .
Limond has beaten Choi Tsveenpurev , Kevin O'Hara , Gary Reid , Kpakpo Alottey , Marcus Portman , Alberto Lopez aswell as some decent guys on a lower level like Youssouf Djibaba , John Mackey , Frederic Bonifai .
Lawton's best wins are Peter McDonagh , Silence Saheed , Roger Sampson and Stefy Bull .
Limond has been Celtic and EU Super Featherweight champ and Commonwealth Lightweight champ .
Lawton has been Midlands area Lightweight champ and English Lightweight champ .
They are on two different levels .
rydersonthestorm
10-07-2007, 01:43 PM
Yes but kahn has obviously improved since the limond fight and is doing what he is meant to, you say that kahn was forced to fight that way by limond but i see it that kahn didn't listen to what he was meant to do and tried to fight with limond instead of boxing him.
Claypole
10-07-2007, 01:47 PM
Yes it was a good performance from Khan, he looked relaxed and seemed to fight like he knew what he was doing. Unfortunately we can't read too much into it due to the quality of opponent.
To claim Lawton is of a similar standard to Limond is a long way from the truth. He didn't sound too confident before the fight, like he was just happy to be part of the occasion. This has been true of all of his opponents apart from Limond. They have all been handpicked to showcase his skills, who cares if he doesn't have hard fights, as long as ITV viewers keep tuning in.
rydersonthestorm
10-07-2007, 01:49 PM
Do you think he would beat limond more easily now if he boxed the same way?
Claypole
10-07-2007, 02:27 PM
Do you think he would beat limond more easily now if he boxed the same way?Maybe, but let's not forget Khan was not put under any pressure whatsoever by Lawton. Even when Khan was not punching, Lawton was backing up, and Khan was allowed to concentrate on his own work, rather than react to Lawton. Limond was a different proposition altogether.
rydersonthestorm
10-07-2007, 02:29 PM
Yes but you say limmond put pressure on kahn, but surely in that extent kahn did the same to lawton, i thought scott tried to fight back a little and then when he was beaten to the punch and not really doing anything it all went downhill from there for him.
SevenSamurai
10-07-2007, 02:30 PM
i don't think lawton and limond are comparable but at the same time i wouldn't dismiss lawton so quickly. lawton is a seasoned lightweight campaigner but not as skilled as limond who is inexperienced at this weight. also, at least lawton has had stoppages at lightweight before.
also lawton has challenged for the british lightweight title already and did pretty well up until the fight was stopped.
i think lawton either underperformed last night or was made to look poor by khan.
Lawton looked very tight, and fought very scared throughout the fight. If you analyse how he held himself and how he moved in the first round, he FROZE! Lawton was not as bad as that but he let the nerves get to him, it was his big moment and he could not take the pressure.
IronBull
10-07-2007, 03:01 PM
Excellent performance, I need to rewatch it because I felt the stoppage was premature.
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Brighton bomber
10-07-2007, 03:41 PM
He was technically the most sound I have seen him and it was a far better performance than the one he put up against Limond. He kept the left hand up, worked the body which he neglected in his last fight. He didn't chase his opponent but stayed in the centre of the ring where he is most effective and showed more patience and picked his spots nicely. I even saw the odd counter punch.
But he was facing an opponent who had no chance, desire or belief. Style wise Lawton was perfect for Khan to look good against. Lawton is a tall boxer with no punch who wouldn't put any kind of pressure on khan.
Khan did what he had to do and looked good doing it.
AllyT
10-07-2007, 06:02 PM
Showed signs of improvement, although I think he is still a little too easy to hit. He is getting stronger and if he can keep within the lightweight division this will raise his stock.
Having watched his last bout, I do not think Thaxton has any more than a punchers chance against Khan which may tempt his team to keep hold of the title.
but I thought Lawton was a fairly big step back from Limond.
I agree but Khan doesn't.
Since the fight he has been quoted as saying Lawton was a step up for him and is a better fighter than Limond, with all due respect. :admin
dwilson
10-08-2007, 06:00 PM
I thought he looked vastly improved from the Limond fight because he actually looked like e wanted to have a defense but due to Lawton not wanting to throw punches it became useless.
Good performance against a guy who usually does well and has talent a Brit level, Khan is obviousy well above that. Look out Earl and Thaxto because your number is up soon.
I agree but Khan doesn't.
Since the fight he has been quoted as saying Lawton was a step up for him and is a better fighter than Limond, with all due respect. :admin
Of course he is going to say that though. Don't really think you'd see Khan admitting he was taking a step backwards whilst already talking about World Titles.
The fact is, as pointed out here, Khan got a scare against Limond, and wanted a guarenteed victory to follow it up. Anyone with a pair of eyes and a slight knowledge of boxing could see Lawton was a step back from Willie. Limond turned up to fight, Lawton turned up to just be part of it.
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