where do you rank peter after last night?

[El Bombasto]

i would say unranked, but he has a title. so, top 10

[McGrain]

3

Weak division.

[El Bombasto]

3

Weak division.

who do have ahead of him?

[markbrooklyn]

I say Top 10 only because it's a weak division

[RUSKULL]

1. Klitschko
2. Chagaev
3. Maskaev
4. Ibragimov
5. Peter
6. Valuev
7. McCline

I think that's being fair and honest. I think the top 2 beat him fairly easily, the 3rd & 4th are more like 50-50 and could go either way.

[TRUEBELIEVER 66]

I thought Mccline won:huh Peter was damn lucky to make it out of that 3rd round, Wlad Klits would beat him again, Valuev would give him all he could handle, and if older Klits comes back he would expose Peter too if his body, health hold up? i say Peter is in the top 5..

[Relentless]

probably 3rd or 4th

klitschko
chagaev
peter

[madpup]

Kltischko and Chagaev are clear 1 and 2. Very hard to separate the next tier with Maskaev, Ibragimov, Peter and a few others

[McGrain]

who do have ahead of him?

Chagaev and Klit. This is actually how I saw things before last night.

Peter can beat anyone in this division. It's just that we now know that anyone at the top end of the division can beat him.

[Mendoza]

1. Klitschko
2. Chagaev
3. Maskaev
4. Ibragimov
5. Peter
6. Valuev
7. McCline

I think that's being fair and honest. I think the top 2 beat him fairly easily, the 3rd & 4th are more like 50-50 and could go either way.

I think Virchis or Povetkin would have beaten Peter that night, but a ranking of #5 sounds about right.

[Asterion]

Definitely below Wlad, Chagaev and Ibragimov.

Maybe below Maskaev.

He still won the fight so he shouldn't decrease so much his ranking.

I hope Wlad faces Chagaev or Ibragimov-Holyfield winner in Febraury.

[Heavyrighthand]

1. Klitschko
2. Chagaev
3. Maskaev
4. Ibragimov
5. Peter
6. Valuev
7. McCline

I think that's being fair and honest. I think the top 2 beat him fairly easily, the 3rd & 4th are more like 50-50 and could go either way.

I agree with this ranking.

No WAY is Peter above Oleg, Chagaev, or even Ibragimov.

But, PEter did win, and you gotta at least keep him in the top 5, but barely.

But then again, I am not sure I'd put Peter, even with the McCline win, above Valuev. Valuev is probably equal with Peter, as far as I'm concerned.

[brooklyn1550]

5th

[Ambition_Def]

His placement hasn't changed for me. I already had established champs in front, with Ibragimov being next to Maskaev as most takeable.

Once Sam beats Maskaev he will pass Maskaev and Ibragimov.

Don't forget fools, he WON the fight.

[Asterion]

1. Klitschko
2. Chagaev
3. Maskaev
4. Ibragimov
5. Peter
6. Valuev
7. Brock
8. Liakhovich
9. Byrd
10. Thompson

Just missing: Virchis, Ruiz, Povetkin, Chambers, Rahman

[El Bombasto]

His placement hasn't changed for me. I already had established champs in front, with Ibragimov being next to Maskaev as most takeable.

Once Sam beats Maskaev he will pass Maskaev and Ibragimov.

Don't forget fools, he WON the fight.

so about 5th now, maybe 3rd if he beats oleg?

[KobeIsGod]

1. Klitschko
2. Chagaev
3. Maskaev
4. Ibragimov
5. Peter
6. Valuev
7. Brock
8. Liakhovich
9. Byrd
10. Thompson

Just missing: Virchis, Ruiz, Povetkin, Chambers, Rahman

1-Wlad

GAP
2-Chagaev
3-Maskaev
4-Iggy
5-Valuev
6-Peter
7-Brock
8-Byrd
9-Povetkin
10-Virchis

[Relentless]

1-Wlad

GAP
2-Chagaev
3-Maskaev
4-Iggy
5-Valuev
6-Peter
7-Brock
8-Byrd
9-Povetkin
10-Virchis

i dont know if you were taught this in school, but there is no gap in between 1 and 2.

[Zakman]

probably 3rd or 4th

klitschko
chagaev
peter

Exactly, I dropped him down to the number 3 spot. Frankly having him any lower than five indicates unreasonable bias, even if you don't think Peter's that good. Who are the five fighters who've done more lately to be rated above him??

[kg0208]

Peter got KD 3x and came back and outboxed McCline. People are calling him fraud.

Wladimir Klitscho gets KD 3x by Peter, comes back to competely outbox Peter and gets praise for it.

People want to drop Peter out of the top 10 (some of them), people moved Wlad up after the same situation.

Its about your perception. People thought Peter had a granite chin and getting KD makes people think less of him. Wlad was supposed to have a glass chin, but he got up and won so people thought better of him.

[Heavyrighthand]

Peter got KD 3x and came back and outboxed McCline. People are calling him fraud.

Wladimir Klitscho gets KD 3x by Peter, comes back to competely outbox Peter and gets praise for it.

.

I agree, and I see that, too.

But the reason is that I think everyone is tired of calling Wlad a china chin, and a hyp job, and all that nonsense he's been called after his Sanders loss. It was getting old to hear and even to say. It had ran its course...

But calling Peter such names is a brand new high that is fun for all these 12 year old kids we have on this site. :lol:

[RUSKULL]

Exactly, I dropped him down to the number 3 spot. Frankly having him any lower than five indicates unreasonable bias, even if you don't think Peter's that good. Who are the five fighters who've done more lately to be rated above him??

For me it's a toss-up between Valuev & Peter for 5th & 6th place. At least Valuev won his belt in the ring, even if he lost it to the #2 ranked guy he seems just as worthy accomplishments wise as Peter & head to head Valuev probably beats him.

[igotJUIC3]

never liked him anyway....

[RUSKULL]

Peter got KD 3x and came back and outboxed McCline. People are calling him fraud.

Wladimir Klitscho gets KD 3x by Peter, comes back to competely outbox Peter and gets praise for it.

People want to drop Peter out of the top 10 (some of them), people moved Wlad up after the same situation.

Its about your perception. People thought Peter had a granite chin and getting KD makes people think less of him. Wlad was supposed to have a glass chin, but he got up and won so people thought better of him.

I can somewhat see your point but Wlad clearly outpointed Peter in the rest of the rounds where Peter fought close rounds with McCline that could've gone either way.

[radianttwilight]

I have Peter still in the top 10, but below the established belt-holders.

Anyone put any thought into how old man Holyfield plays into all this, though? :D

I think he could've KO'd the Sam Peter that McCline was tossing around last night...and I do know that Holyfield is pretty much a shell of his former self.

[El Bombasto]

I never thought much of him to begin with. But, in a strictly rational sense, he should be just barely ahead of McCline. So definitely top20

[T.S.]

I think Wlad KO's him within 3 rnds if they rematch

[cuchulain]

Prior to the fight I had him barely scraping the top 10

( That was based on lack of accomplishment against top fighters. He barely beat Toney the first time and he went the distance (losing 10 rounds) against a hyper-cautious Wlad, whose future was on the line and who fought conservatively that night.)

Last night, he would IMO, have lost to Iggy, Maskaev, Wlad, Ruslan, Tua, Sergei, Valuev, Byrd, McColl and maybe others.

He still hovers around # 10.

From the judges scores, not counting round 3, One of them had Sam winning 10 of the remaining 11 rounds, and another had him winning 9 of the remaining rounds with one even.

I haven't seen the entire fight yet, and I'll be interested in seeing if he even merited the W.

[brooklyn1550]

Slightly above Audrey Harrison

:roll:

Audley gets blasted by Sprott and stays down. Peter has taken shots from Klitschko and didn't go down and has gotten up off the canvas 3 times in 1 fight to come back and win.

[codeman99998]

WELL LOOK AT THIS SHIT!

I've said all along that Peter isn't #2 material, and now, after a WINNING EFFORT by Peter all of those that had him at #2 suddenly don't?

C'mon fellas.

[El Bombasto]

Prior to the fight I had him barely scraping the top 10

( That was based on lack of accomplishment against top fighters. He barely beat Toney the first time and he went the distance (losing 10 rounds) against a hyper-cautious Wlad, whose future was on the line and who fought conservatively that night.)

Last night, he would IMO, have lost to Iggy, Maskaev, Wlad, Ruslan, Tua, Sergei, Valuev, Byrd, McColl and maybe others.

He still hovers around # 10.

From the judges scores, not counting round 3, One of them had Sam winning 10 of the remaining 11 rounds, and another had him winning 9 of the remaining rounds with one even.

I haven't seen the entire fight yet, and I'll be interested in seeing if he even merited the W.

There are a few writers (some on Eastside) claiming that McCline got robbed, but there are also some who say the decision was fair. I thought McCline won, but it was close enough that I expected Peter to get the nod.

[andyZOR]

Below Chagaev, Ibragimov, Wlad, and Maskaev. Number 5.

[audio101]

ahh such a depressing division...

[Ambition_Def]

so about 5th now, maybe 3rd if he beats oleg?

If he beats Oleg then his resume will surpass Ibragimov's. Rightfully he will have earned his place at #3, possibly at #2 depending on what Chagaev plans on doing.

As of right now Waldo has the lead based on accomplishments. Same goes for Chagaev at number 2 for his two wins over Ruiz and Valuev. I have Ibragimov ahead of Maskaev because I feel Maskaev had weaker competition moving back up into title contention. But neither are far off.

Also keep in mind Ibragimov has a draw with Ray Austin. Whereas Sam has a win over McCline. The only one who has beaten Sam so far is Waldo and he had to struggle to get that victory. So Sam has to be ranked highly should he beat Maskaev and become the legitimate WBC beltholder.

[Marciano Frazier]

I never had him at #2 in the first place, so certainly not now. I used to have him in the 3-5 range, but I'd say he's dropped a couple spots. Probably somewhere around #6.

[Decker]

Prior to the fight I had him barely scraping the top 10

( That was based on lack of accomplishment against top fighters. He barely beat Toney the first time and he went the distance (losing 10 rounds) against a hyper-cautious Wlad, whose future was on the line and who fought conservatively that night.)

Last night, he would IMO, have lost to Iggy, Maskaev, Wlad, Ruslan, Tua, Sergei, Valuev, Byrd, McColl and maybe others.

He still hovers around # 10.

From the judges scores, not counting round 3, One of them had Sam winning 10 of the remaining 11 rounds, and another had him winning 9 of the remaining rounds with one even.

I haven't seen the entire fight yet, and I'll be interested in seeing if he even merited the W.Good post. I had him in the top 10 before the McCline fight, and that's about where he is now. Top 5 maybe, but that's pushing it. The 2 Toney fights and this performance don't drop him but they don't exactly leap frop him either. I mean how many top HWs couldn't beat that version of Toney? Barely beating McCline - highly disputed by many - should not change your ranking much in either direction.

[Boxfan1]

China Chin Sam should be ranked around 10th place.

[Heavyrighthand]

Barely beating McCline - highly disputed by many - should not change your ranking much in either direction.

.............

This certainly hurt his aura and reputation, but I don't think it hurt his ranking, nor did it improve it.

I bet it'll get him alot more fight offers, cause now, everyone will want a chance to beat his ass. LOL

[Boxfan1]

That's a good point. I think Peter is damaged goods. Has been since the Wlad fight. Wlad's punches did some permanent damage to this guy and he will always be a little shaky from now on.

[TheGrimReaper]

1. kevin mcbride

[Ambition_Def]

That's a good point. I think Peter is damaged goods. Has been since the Wlad fight. Wlad's punches did some permanent damage to this guy and he will always be a little shaky from now on.

Yea I suppose it had nothing to do with eating flush uppercuts and right hands from a very big heavyweight. :-(

Try and watch the knockdowns sometime. That second one would have dropped anyone. And likely would have knocked Waldo out cold.

[Boxfan1]

Dude, those uppercuts were nasty. I agree with you on that. But ever since Wlad laid a beating on Sam, he has not looked as durable as he did prior to the fight. For heaven's sake, Toney actually backed him up several times in their first fight.

[Decker]

Yea I suppose it had nothing to do with eating flush uppercuts and right hands from a very big heavyweight. :-( No doubt.

Try and watch the knockdowns sometime. That second one would have dropped anyone. And likely would have knocked Waldo out cold.I believe Waldo and "I fold up big time" have already faught. Try and watch it sometime. :lol:

[Cachibatches]

I have always have had Chag ahead of him. Virchis, Ruiz, Valuev- Chag has just beaten better competion.

An I always thought Peter was overrated.

So I would say that my oppinion hasn't changed much. He's somewhere in the top ten- I would move him down one or to notches to number 5 or so.

But the reality it, no one in this division is perfect. On a given night, anybody can beat anybody.

[Ambition_Def]

I believe Waldo and "I fold up big time" have already faught. Try and watch it sometime. :lol:

Yea Waldo was smart about his gameplan though. McCline is a big heavyweight with fast hands. You can't just wade in defensless against a guy like that. McCline's achilles heel is his stamina and his anxiety. Waldo took advantage of that and pretty much fought a perfect fight.

I wish Sam would have shown more respect for McCline's power early on. That and his progress from round 4 on would have said alot. As is, Sam still outboxed him which again shows Sam is improving as a boxer. Not many on here felt he had better technique than McCline.

I also feel that Sam would have gotten the late stoppage because McCline was seriously gassed and did nothing but punch and grab from the middle rounds on to the 12th. Unfortunately Ortega is as incompetent as Randy Newman.

[Marnoff]

I think Peter got used to being hit by a former Middleweight.

[Lacyace]

Peter's overrated. But he's top 5 because the division isn't great.

[Stezzie]

Yea Waldo was smart about his gameplan though. McCline is a big heavyweight with fast hands. You can't just wade in defensless against a guy like that. McCline's achilles heel is his stamina and his anxiety. Waldo took advantage of that and pretty much fought a perfect fight.

I wish Sam would have shown more respect for McCline's power early on. That and his progress from round 4 on would have said alot. As is, Sam still outboxed him which again shows Sam is improving as a boxer. Not many on here felt he had better technique than McCline.

I also feel that Sam would have gotten the late stoppage because McCline was seriously gassed and did nothing but punch and grab from the middle rounds on to the 12th. Unfortunately Ortega is as incompetent as Randy Newman.


:good

[jbrunner3]

1. Klitschko
2. Chagaev
3. Maskaev
4. Ibragimov
5. Peter
6. Valuev
7. TThompson
8. JC Gomez
9. Liakhovich
10. Povetkin

[divac]

Yea I suppose it had nothing to do with eating flush uppercuts and right hands from a very big heavyweight. :-(

Try and watch the knockdowns sometime. That second one would have dropped anyone. And likely would have knocked Waldo out cold.I whole heartedly agree.
I'm probably in the minority, but off of Peter's performance and dealing with adversity against McCline....his stock actually goes up in my book.

Having seen his much improved boxing skills against a small heavyweight in Toney and now a big Heavyweight in McCline......before then I would'nt have given Peter more than a punchers chance against Wlad, but this improved Peter imo actually has a legit chance and at the very least a much better chance at beating Wlad than he did before!

Peter imo is improving, and like Ambition said, that shot landed by McCline would have hurt anybody!

Peter has taken big shots before and took them well.....this particular shot in uppercut form he never saw comeing and those you dont see coming are the ones that put you on queer street, even those fighters with great chins!

......and guess what folks?????Peter got tested under fire and badly hurt and found a way to ride the storm.......the experience of having survived a difficutly like that may actually bring him down to earth and make him work harder on his defense so that it does'nt happen again.

:lol: This fight may actually make Peter a better fighter!:yep

[Stezzie]

I whole heartedly agree.
I'm probably in the minority, but off of Peter's performance and dealing with adversity against McCline....his stock actually goes up in my book.

Having seen his much improved boxing skills against a small heavyweight in Toney and now a big Heavyweight in McCline......before then I would'nt have given Peter more than a punchers chance against Wlad, but this improved Peter imo actually has a legit chance and at the very least a much better chance at beating Wlad than he did before!

Peter imo is improving, and like Ambition said, that shot landed by McCline would have hurt anybody!

Peter has taken big shots before and took them well.....this particular shot in uppercut form he never saw comeing and those you dont see coming are the ones that put you on queer street, even those fighters with great chins!

......and guess what folks?????Peter got tested under fire and badly hurt and found a way to ride the storm.......the experience of having survived a difficutly like that may actually bring him down to earth and make him work harder on his defense so that it does'nt happen again.

:lol: This fight may actually make Peter a better fighter!:yep

I agree completely agree...nobody even gave Peter a chance at winning the boxing match with McCline...and he did. He outboxed McCline. I think the fact that he got dropped in the first place is what people are stuck on...and that should not have happened. So he stays at the same level in my book. I was looking at this fight to see if I should move him up in my book but I can't because he was knocked down 3 times...