Where does the Chagaev/Ibragimov match leave Wlad Klitschko ?

[UKITAZ]

Im excited about the unification match but im annoyed that none of them pushed for this fight with Wlad. If they had waited a couple of weeks they could have arranged a fight with Wlad later this year for undboubtebly a much bigger purse. Obviously there promoters know that neither has a chance against Wlad so have gone for the easy option. Lets hope after this fight there is enough pressure from media and fans for the winner to take on Wladimir Klitschko.

Where does everybody else think this leaves Wlad .... and the winner of the Peter/Maskaev/Vitali saga ??

[justaboxingfan]

I would like to see Vlad fight maskaev/peter winner as I dont see Vitali coming back despite all the talk. This would set up a unification belt or start something on that road. Either way, Vlad beats any current heavy

[MilesP]

I think if Ibragimov comes through we'll probably get another unification match against Wlad early next year.

Chagaev is promoted by Klit's former promoter. They had a falling out a couple of years ago and the Klits ended up suing him. There's a lot of bad blood there and I doubt there'll ever be a Chagaev-Wlad unification.

[Relentless]

see was it so hard to make a unification match??? wlad and his excuses, what does he have to say now???

i can imagine right now vitali coming back to fight sultan ibragimov just so he can stop unification.

[KobeIsGod]

Just cause sultan or ruslan will have two of the 4 major belts dont make em champ. the winner will establish themselves as #2 or #3 (some feel peter is penciled in at #2). til wlad loses, he is #1. Wasn't riddick bowe widely considered the #1 hw shortly after stopping evander even though he had no belt!?!

[Relentless]

no the winner is the real champ, we get a unified champ after 8 years and you will put him in no.2???

they will not need a paper telling them who they are.

[Guru_Too_You]

Just cause sultan or ruslan will have two of the 4 major belts dont make em champ. the winner will establish themselves as #2 or #3 (some feel peter is penciled in at #2). til wlad loses, he is #1. Wasn't riddick bowe widely considered the #1 hw shortly after stopping evander even though he had no belt!?!

The point is that unification is a lot easier when the titlists are willing to fight each other.

This is something that has been missing since Lennox left the scene.

[Danny Ocean]

how does klitschko have any excuses

god people on this site jump to conclusions so fuckin fast

how do you know he was offered anything

he has a fight scheduled for july

[Relentless]

he wans't offered anything but he should have been the one doing the offering.

looks to me like he wasn't really interested.

[Shotgun]

see was it so hard to make a unification match??? wlad and his excuses, what does he have to say now???


Guess who's NOT involved? You got it, Don King

This is the first time in years where DKP hasn't been able to hold up unification. What, you think it's coincidence that the first time in years that DKP has control of none of the belts we're finally seeing a unification? Or could you not see through Don King's BS?

[Relentless]

but how was don king stopping unifications??? wasn't he the one that set up 2 of the biggest unification tournaments?

just watch vitlay come back and try and get a shot at either the wba or wbo just to stop unification.

[DamonD]

Well, definitely looking to take on the Chagaev/Ibragimov winner I hope.
Especially since the WBC belt is tied up in loops at the moment...it would seem to be an obvious pick for Wladimir.

Fight Brewster, and if he wins that then get in another quick fight against an easier guy just to keep his hand in...then go after the new WBA & WBO champ.

[Shotgun]

he wans't offered anything but he should have been the one doing the offering.

looks to me like he wasn't really interested.
Sultan just won his title earlier this month in a mandatory bout, he wasn't the champ when Wlad-Brewster was signed. And he signed his fight with Brewster at almost the same time Chagaev-Valuev fought in another mandatory match. Neither Ibragimov nor Chagaev would have fought Wlad in July regardless, and if Wlad wins he can easily fight one more time this year

Wlad's last fight before this was also a mandatory

[Guru_Too_You]

but how was don king stopping unifications??? wasn't he the one that set up 2 of the biggest unification tournaments?

just watch vitlay come back and try and get a shot at either the wba or wbo just to stop unification.

Had nothing to do with unification. Only the dollar signs attached to Tyson and Trinidad's names.

[Relentless]

i dont remember wlad calling out anyone after winning the ibf, he could have made some noise, made himself heard show that he really wanted to be the best, he i just happy being a belt holder.

[Shotgun]

but how was don king stopping unifications??? wasn't he the one that set up 2 of the biggest unification tournaments?

just watch vitlay come back and try and get a shot at either the wba or wbo just to stop unification.
I've already explained exactly why Don King didn't want unification before, and don't feel like doing it again at length. Basically it comes down to him knowing all the heavyweights that he promotes are unmarketable without belts, and having the belts fragmented allows him to lock out other promoters, to promote fights between otherwise unmarketable fighters as "world heavyweight championship" fights, and also he doesn't run the risk of losing all his precious belts in one single night to another promoter's mandatory

Every time King pushed for unification in the past was because it was financially stupid not to. That wasn't the case in the past few years

[Relentless]

Had nothing to do with unification. Only the dollar signs attached to Tyson and Trinidad's names.

i think you forget tyson wasn't really in the tournament, he lost his belt in 1996.

[Shotgun]

i think you forget tyson wasn't really in the tournament, he lost his belt in 1996.

Which "tournament" are you referring to? There has been no heavyweight "tournament" in years. The last heavyweight unification fights were the Holyfield-Lewis fights. King kept Holyfield away from Lewis as long as he could, but it reached a point where it would have been financially foolish to prevent it any further. The Lewis-Holyfield fights were megafights, PPV hits, with huge financial benefits. He's willing to risk his cash cow losing a fight as long as he cashes out. It's all about risk-reward ratio

[joma86]

maybe he just wanted to wait till his elder brother would come back to leave him at least one belt, that they both could finally fulfill their dream of becoming Champions at the same time ;))

[Zakman]

'Guess who's NOT involved? You got it, Don King

This is the first time in years where DKP hasn't been able to hold up unification. What, you think it's coincidence that the first time in years that DKP has control of none of the belts we're finally seeing a unification? Or could you not see through Don King's BS?

Exactly. THAT'S why unification is finally happening, and I wouldn't be surprised if they are able to put together a deal with Wlad even if, as expected, Chagaev wins. And until the winner of the fight fights Wlad, he can't really be considered "the" champ.

[El Bombasto]

irrelevant

[codeman99998]

It's a fact that klitschko TRIED to sign to fight Briggs, he also claimed to have sent paperwork to every other HW champ out there at the time and no one wanted anything to do with it.

Add into the mix the sancitoning bodies making unification difficult. Check this out.

The sanctioning bodies allow your first defense to be a voluntary defense. The only reason Chagaev and Ibragimov are CAPABLE of doing this is because they haven't defended their titles once.

[KobeIsGod]

It's a fact that klitschko TRIED to sign to fight Briggs, he also claimed to have sent paperwork to every other HW champ out there at the time and no one wanted anything to do with it.

Add into the mix the sancitoning bodies making unification difficult. Check this out.

The sanctioning bodies allow your first defense to be a voluntary defense. The only reason Chagaev and Ibragimov are CAPABLE of doing this is because they haven't defended their titles once.

forget dude...don't waste the energy providing an objective-based argument. the only ones claiming wlad has/is avoiding unification are Waldo haters :yep

[RUSKULL]

see was it so hard to make a unification match??? wlad and his excuses, what does he have to say now???

i can imagine right now vitali coming back to fight sultan ibragimov just so he can stop unification.

You're are a pathetic idiot....................so it's the Klitschkos who are stopping unification, not Don King. Right, tell me another one. :rofl

Props to to both Ibragimov & Chagaev. This should be a good fight and I'd slightly favor Chagaev. Wlad or Vitali Klitschko would beat either, but it's def. a start.

[Relentless]

You're are a pathetic idiot....................so it's the Klitschkos who are stopping unification, not Don King. Right, tell me another one. :rofl

Props to to both Ibragimov & Chagaev. This should be a good fight and I'd slightly favor Chagaev. Wlad or Vitali Klitschko would beat either, but it's def. a start.

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[Relentless]

Which "tournament" are you referring to? There has been no heavyweight "tournament" in years. The last heavyweight unification fights were the Holyfield-Lewis fights. King kept Holyfield away from Lewis as long as he could, but it reached a point where it would have been financially foolish to prevent it any further. The Lewis-Holyfield fights were megafights, PPV hits, with huge financial benefits. He's willing to risk his cash cow losing a fight as long as he cashes out. It's all about risk-reward ratio

fair enough, but dont you think king could have made a guy like brewster big?

[RUSKULL]

he wans't offered anything but he should have been the one doing the offering.

looks to me like he wasn't really interested.

No again asshole. When you are the concidered the number 1 beltholder it's the other guys who should be making you offers you can't refuse.

Shit, you'll say anything to bash a Klitschko won't you?! :-(

[Relentless]

but i thought klitschko was the one who wanted to be the best and unify????

the evil german promoters, don king, golden boy promotions and bob arum were standing in his way right?

[RUSKULL]

:|:|

Dude, your credibility here is all but shot to shit, keep up the good work. :thumbsup

A couple more "Klitschko fan quote of the week" threads & another shitty pick or 2 and we'll probably never see your sorry ass around here.

[Shotgun]

fair enough, but dont you think king could have made a guy like brewster big?

Brewster is too big of a risk for King though, as a beltholder. We are talking about an exciting fighter who nonetheless should have lost to Kali Meehan and did lose to Lyakovich, another B-level contender. Brewster is exciting but he's very limited and also inconsistent. King would never put all his eggs in one basket with a guy that unpredictable if he could avoid it

[Relentless]

Dude, your credibility here is all but shot to shit, keep up the good work. :thumbsup

A couple more "Klitschko fan quote of the week" threads & another shitty pick or 2 and we'll probably never see your sorry ass around here.

yes and you certainly have alot of credibility, you're the guy claiming klitschko beats all the all time greats.

[codeman99998]

but i thought klitschko was the one who wanted to be the best and unify????

the evil german promoters, don king, golden boy promotions and bob arum were standing in his way right?

It's fine to dislike Klitschko but it is important to note that Chagaev and Ibragimov are voluntarily unifying. That means they both agreed to fight each other. Is it Klitschko's fault that NO ONE who already has a belt is willing to fight him for fear of losing their belt?

[RUSKULL]

It's fine to dislike Klitschko but it is important to note that Chagaev and Ibragimov are voluntarily unifying. That means they both agreed to fight each other. Is it Klitschko's fault that NO ONE who already has a belt is willing to fight him for fear of losing their belt?

Exactly.

[RUSKULL]

yes and you certainly have alot of credibility, you're the guy claiming klitschko beats all the all time greats.

I never claimed that at all, you are delushional :nut

[Stinky gloves]

This leaves Chagayev/Ibragimov vs Wald open.

Wlad will not fight Peter/Oleg because the next in the line
is Vitaly and probably the next after that is McCall.
If Vitaly win the Wlad vs Vitaly is off by definition, if not then the
WBC title will be clear not earlier than next summer.

So after Wlad supposedly beat Brewster he may face winner of C/I.

[MagnificentMatt]

Im excited about the unification match but im annoyed that none of them pushed for this fight with Wlad. If they had waited a couple of weeks they could have arranged a fight with Wlad later this year for undboubtebly a much bigger purse. Obviously there promoters know that neither has a chance against Wlad so have gone for the easy option. Lets hope after this fight there is enough pressure from media and fans for the winner to take on Wladimir Klitschko.

Where does everybody else think this leaves Wlad .... and the winner of the Peter/Maskaev/Vitali saga ??

Its called, "hey that guy is really good, and looks better everytime he steps back in the ring"...

Prolly the reason they didnt fight him, cause theyre pussies.

[Bubba]

Wlad needs to take this opportunity and rematch Corrie "I hurt my left hand" Sanders!!

[codeman99998]

Anyways, to answer the question the thread posed.

In an ideal world, this places the winner of Ibragimov/Chagaev in the #1 or #2 ranking, with Klitschko clearly holding the other spot. Ideally, it will be the #2 spot, as a Peter/Maskaev-Chagaev/Ibragimov bout would crown the ring champion if they are placed #1 and that is an unacceptably inaccurate ranking. Following the fight, I would expect Wlad to drop his strap and challenge the winner of Ibragimov/Chagaev, dropping the strap because the sanctioning bodies will probably do all in their power to prevent the fight from happening.

If the fight takes place in Europe, with the new legitimacy of the Chagaev/Ibragimov winner, it could garner lots and lots of money, something that Chagaev or Ibragimov would be hard to overlook. Clearly, the winner of Ibragimov/Chagaev will be no lower than #3 in the ring rankings, and as such, a fight with Klitschko will crown a new ring champ.

I know I am just speculating and hoping, but this could be exactly what the HW division needs to finally get a champion. That is the most ideal situation.

[Heavyrighthand]

I think if Ibragimov comes through we'll probably get another unification match against Wlad early next year.

Chagaev is promoted by Klit's former promoter. They had a falling out a couple of years ago and the Klits ended up suing him. There's a lot of bad blood there and I doubt there'll ever be a Chagaev-Wlad unification.

This sounds about right. I think if Sultan pulls it off (its doubtful that he can beat Chag, but we'll see), then he would be the most likely to unfiy with Wlad.

Wlad beats the hell out of either one of them, though. I think we can all agree on that point.

[EpsilonAxis]

IMO, the winner will be #1 contender to Klitschko's crown.

[Heavyrighthand]

Guess who's NOT involved? You got it, Don King

This is the first time in years where DKP hasn't been able to hold up unification. What, you think it's coincidence that the first time in years that DKP has control of none of the belts we're finally seeing a unification? Or could you not see through Don King's BS?

Exactly.

Its the LACK of King in this, that is finally getting it done. King taken out of the equasion finally means we are getting unfication.

At long last.......:good

f***k Don King and his bullshit. :good

[AJAX]

Exactly.

Its the LACK of King in this, that is finally getting it done. King taken out of the equasion finally means we are getting unfication.

At long last.......:good

f***k Don King and his bullshit. :good

exactly, It's amazing as soon as he loses his grip on the belts there getting unified, it's as simple as that.

[Heavyrighthand]

I bet King is lying awake at night, now, wondering about all that money he is NOT making, and how he can regain his dictator-like control of the heavyweight division.

Let him cook in his own jealousy and anger!!!

I LOVE it!

[uppa kut]

Guess who's NOT involved? You got it, Don King

This is the first time in years where DKP hasn't been able to hold up unification. What, you think it's coincidence that the first time in years that DKP has control of none of the belts we're finally seeing a unification? Or could you not see through Don King's BS?


Exactly!

[RAMPAGE0017]

I'm a little dissapointed that Wlad isn't apart of the unification, but I have to admit.. a fight between Chagaev and Ibragimov sounds awfully interesting. Neither fighter really has a significant advantage over the other.. it should make for a pretty competitive fight.