If Evander wins...who does he face?

[letsrun4it]

I think the odds are fairly long that Holyfield can win this fight but if SI doesn't show up who knows...

IF he does pull the upset and win the heavyweight title, he will have his choice of opponents. 1) He is clearly the most lucrative opponent besides Klit 2) He carries the lowest risk of any top 10 heavyweight

He could choose to unify like he claims he wants to....and fight the easiest belt holder available or he could face Klit. I think if he wins within 3 days on the site that talks about boxing Hopkins will call him out.

[Icemmann]

He should face his daddy, John Ruiz.

[Dorfmeister]

I think the odds are fairly long that Holyfield can win this fight but if SI doesn't show up who knows...

IF he does pull the upset and win the heavyweight title, he will have his choice of opponents. 1) He is clearly the most lucrative opponent besides Klit 2) He carries the lowest risk of any top 10 heavyweight

He could choose to unify like he claims he wants to....and fight the easiest belt holder available or he could face Klit. I think if he wins within 3 days on the site that talks about boxing Hopkins will call him out.

Murad Muhammad offered 20 million to Wlad's handlers, was turned down and Wladdy wants to fight the IBF tourney winner... I guess Hopkins is a more courageous and deserving opponent for Holy, it's put up or shut up for Wladdy and his supporters!

[LennoxGOAT]

I really don't think he will win, but I will be shocked (if he does win) if he fights Wlad. Evander dragged his feet as long as he could ten years ago with Lennox, I can't imagine he would be quick to sign over his life in a fight against Wlad.

[Dorfmeister]

I really don't think he will win, but I will be shocked (if he does win) if he fights Wlad. Evander dragged his feet as long as he could ten years ago with Lennox, I can't imagine he would be quick to sign over his life in a fight against Wlad.

Evander dragged his feet 10 years ago but still your man didn't follow up one single time from that thing he puts in your face and leaves there and got a dubious decision at the Staples only based on reach advantages, Big Daddy and Commander Vander were the real 90s hwts, Bowe even called Lewis and I quote "Yo Faggot"!

[pipe wrenched]

Go Evander!

[Sonny's jab]

I really don't think he will win, but I will be shocked (if he does win) if he fights Wlad. Evander dragged his feet as long as he could ten years ago with Lennox, I can't imagine he would be quick to sign over his life in a fight against Wlad.

The idea that Holyfield was attempting to duck Lewis is typical and extreme Lewis nuthugger propaganda.
Holyfield wanted to be undisputed champ as much as Lewis did, (and still does, in case you haven't heard), and the fight was made after negotiations and extending wranglings on BOTH SIDES were finalized.

Holyfield's record in regards to fighting the best and ducking no one is beyond reproach, as is Lewis's.

[Zakman]

He should face his daddy, John Ruiz.

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Sorry, but losing a decision, faking a low blow to avoid getting counted out, and getting a gift draw doesn't qualify that cheating clubfighter to work Holyfield's corner, let alone face him in the ring. :-(

[Icemmann]

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Sorry, but losing a decision, faking a low blow to avoid getting counted out, and getting a gift draw doesn't qualify that cheating clubfighter to work Holyfield's corner, let alone face him in the ring. :-(

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[Rollo]

Wlad - to secure his retirement!

[McGrain]

Anyone he likes, and for proper money.

[cuchulain]

Evander dragged his feet 10 years ago but still your man didn't follow up one single time from that thing he puts in your face and leaves there and got a dubious decision at the Staples only based on reach advantages, Big Daddy and Commander Vander were the real 90s hwts, Bowe even called Lewis and I quote "Yo Faggot"!

Lennox defeated Holy by a WIDE margin (and Holy said as much) in their first fight (the 'draw'). He beat him less convincingly the second time, but still by a clear margin.

As for Bowe (who was KO'd by Lennox in the Olympics), he threw his belt away rather than face Lennox.

[cuchulain]

Wlad - to secure his retirement!


That would secure his wife's life insurance payout (provided the policy didn't have a no-suicide clause).

[LennoxGOAT]

Evander dragged his feet 10 years ago but still your man didn't follow up one single time from that thing he puts in your face and leaves there and got a dubious decision at the Staples only based on reach advantages, Big Daddy and Commander Vander were the real 90s hwts, Bowe even called Lewis and I quote "Yo Faggot"!


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[LennoxGOAT]

The idea that Holyfield was attempting to duck Lewis is typical and extreme Lewis nuthugger propaganda.
Holyfield wanted to be undisputed champ as much as Lewis did, (and still does, in case you haven't heard), and the fight was made after negotiations and extending wranglings on BOTH SIDES were finalized.

Holyfield's record in regards to fighting the best and ducking no one is beyond reproach, as is Lewis's.


I didn't say he ducked, I said he dragged his feet. Evander did everything in his power to extend the wait for the Lewis fight by making ridiculous contract demands.

[Butch Coolidge]

maskaev would probably be his safest credible opponent

[Heavyrighthand]

I think Evander is dead set on this being merely the start of a belt collecting tour, and after he takes Ibrag's title (fairly likely), I think he'll at least try to set up a unification fight with one of the other three titleholders. But, it takes two to tango, as we all know.

And seeing as how the WBC is all tied up with a long line of mandatories, interims, emerituses, and such, it'll then be down to the WBA, or the IBF.

And I just bet that Holyfield will try to get a Chagaev fight, next, as he'll see Wlad as his final conquest; his toughest fight, and his most rewarding.

I think he'll seek out Chagaev, next. Holy can't just get the fight he wants, but he can certianly call them out publiclly, and with the money that a Holy fight will certianly bring for Chagaev, and Chagaev's confidence in his ability to beat the aging warhorse, I think Chagaev just may accept Holy as his next fight back after his sickness. (supposed sickness)

A victorious and newlyl crowned WBO titleholder, Holyfield, vs. the undefeated and younger Chagaev would probalby do very well.

But, this is merely my opinion of what Holy will try to do next. I guess we'll see.

[andyZOR]

Golota!

[CHEF]

Murad Muhammad offered 20 million to Wlad's handlers, was turned down and Wladdy wants to fight the IBF tourney winner... I guess Hopkins is a more courageous and deserving opponent for Holy, it's put up or shut up for Wladdy and his supporters!

I know for a fact that is not true.....never happened. Wlad offered to holly before the Brewster fight...Holly said "NO"

[Butch Coolidge]

all this boxing crap is bull shit just like wwf all fake shit they know who going to win before the fight why do you even waste you time with this bull shit

[See Me Flow]

It all depends HOW Holyfield wins. If he wins convincingly he should fight another top ten opponent before he's eligible to compete for the WBA, WBC or IBF titles.

[sjc]

Who should he face?

Mr Retirement.

He has had an outstanding career, time to hang em up.

[ChrisPontius]

I think Holyfield will be stupid enough to have whatever he has left knocked out of him by Wlad.

[Icemmann]

Let's hope so so he can finally retire and spend time with his 30 children.

What about the other 20?

[Dorfmeister]

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I don't know where is the doubt... Riddick Bowe and Evander Holyfield fought three times at a relentless pace, give and take, stoic and enthusiastic bouts whereas Lewis was called a fag by Bowe after the Nov 1992 fight where Lewis was as a commentator... Holyfield also gave no respect to this guy when he leaned all over Evander in the end of the 1st round, 1st fight, and Holy carried him like a baby in front of referee Arthur Mercante Jr., Lewis stumbling all ova da place, still giving that stupid smile of his the same way when Bowe insulted him... Tell you more, Lewis never followed up any of his jabs (that he leaves there in his shorter opponent's face as a range finder, against Holyfield, Bruno, et cetera) and he didn't follow up cause he was afraid of what could come back at him... Both Lewis and Wlad have that in common, both big and strong on the outside, fragile and scared in the inside... Nobody cares about Lewis or remembers about him when Holyfield's name is brought up.

[Dorfmeister]

Lennox defeated Holy by a WIDE margin (and Holy said as much) in their first fight (the 'draw'). He beat him less convincingly the second time, but still by a clear margin.

As for Bowe (who was KO'd by Lennox in the Olympics), he threw his belt away rather than face Lennox.

Even some of the Brits doubt about the second fight's verdict in Staples Center, LA, CA and the first fight in NYC was as such, could have gone either way... Lewis won the second fight cause he and Manny and biased HBO crew made such a fuss after the 1st fight...

Bowe called Lewis out and called him a faggot in his face after winning the unified title in Nov 1992 and Lewis was standing still and smiling like an idiot. Understand me, I am not a hater but there's no doubt in my mind Lennox only got brave much later against guys such as Shannon Briggs, Michael Grant and Andrew Golota... Actually why should the brits care? He was born in Canada, Jamaican origin and Bruno fought him with "True Brit" written in his trunks... Burt Sugar ranked Holyfield as nº11 HWT ATG after Holmes in 10th position, both Tyson and Lewis only at nº20 or some position, and he's a better analyst than you and me.

[cuchulain]

Even some of the Brits doubt about the second fight's verdict in Staples Center, LA, CA and the first fight in NYC was as such, could have gone either way... Lewis won the second fight cause he and Manny and biased HBO crew made such a fuss after the 1st fight...

Bowe called Lewis out and called him a faggot in his face after winning the unified title in Nov 1992 and Lewis was standing still and smiling like an idiot. Understand me, I am not a hater but there's no doubt in my mind Lennox only got brave much later against guys such as Shannon Briggs, Michael Grant and Andrew Golota... Actually why should the brits care? He was born in Canada, Jamaican origin and Bruno fought him with "True Brit" written in his trunks... Burt Sugar ranked Holyfield as nº11 HWT ATG after Holmes in 10th position, both Tyson and Lewis only at nº20 or some position, and he's a better analyst than you and me.

First, who cares what the Brit's think?

Second, who do you think won the first Lewis-Holy fight?

Third, who cares what nationality Lewis is/was?

Fourth, how do you know Bert Sugar is a better analyst?

Oh, almost forgot, Do you think it shows a lot of class to call someone out and call them a faggot?

Lennox did his talking in the ring, Knocking Bowe out when they met Seoul. Bowe showed his spine when he tossed the belt in the garbage rather than take a second shit-kicking from Lewis. Facts.

[Dorfmeister]

First, who cares what the Brit's think?

Second, who do you think won the first Lewis-Holy fight?

Third, who cares what nationality Lewis is/was?

Fourth, how do you know Bert Sugar is a better analyst?

Oh, almost forgot, Do you think it shows a lot of class to call someone out and call them a faggot?

Lennox did his talking in the ring, Knocking Bowe out when they met Seoul. Bowe showed his spine when he tossed the belt in the garbage rather than take a second shit-kicking from Lewis. Facts.

First, I give credit to what the Brits think as anyone else does but we should not care for this particular person or that thinking, true.

Second, I honestly think Lewis won their first fight ( not sure about the second).

Third, it doesn't matter what's Lewis nationality to me, it shouldn't matter but still it plays an important part in some people's mind ( but then we get back to the first point and I wanna move forward).

Fourth, Bert Sugar is an accomplished boxing historian and I only mentioned him cause he not only compared Lewis to Holyfield but various other heavies between themselves, check it in ESPN with Larry Holmes and George Chuvalo present. He has tools that we may not have, that seems logical, but that doesn't descredit your opinion or mine for that matter.

I don't think Bowe acted properly when he went to ringside and insulted Lewis for Chrissake neither do I accept Bowe's supporters thugster attitudes in the Golota fights... You have a point that Lennox had Riddick's senses reeling in Seoul ( yes, I have that fight of course) but I believe you go to far when you say that he would have done the same in 1993 or later, remember Cuban Jorge Luis Gonzales beat both Lewis and Bowe in the amateurs and Bowe pulverized him later... Bowe would have beaten Lewis had they met and had they performed like they did against common opponent Holyfield, that is my opinion ( not a fact like you claim your opinion is).

What is my interest in heavyweight box nowadays ( and this week in particuar) is Holyfield vs Ibragimov, not Lewis vs Bowe, Wlad Klitschko- Sam Peter claims to be Nº1 HWT, IBF tourneys or WBA eliminators so keep that in mind next time you ask me something... At the mean time, accept my apologies for any misunderstanding between two grown up ESB members.

[TheGrimReaper]

golota

[brooklyn1550]

Golota or Thompson

I wouldn't mind seeing Holyfield-McCline, but McCline needs to work his way back up to a shot.

[cuchulain]

First, I give credit to what the Brits think as anyone else does but we should not care for this particular person or that thinking, true.

Second, I honestly think Lewis won their first fight ( not sure about the second).

Third, it doesn't matter what's Lewis nationality to me, it shouldn't matter but still it plays an important part in some people's mind ( but then we get back to the first point and I wanna move forward).

Fourth, Bert Sugar is an accomplished boxing historian and I only mentioned him cause he not only compared Lewis to Holyfield but various other heavies between themselves, check it in ESPN with Larry Holmes and George Chuvalo present. He has tools that we may not have, that seems logical, but that doesn't descredit your opinion or mine for that matter.

I don't think Bowe acted properly when he went to ringside and insulted Lewis for Chrissake neither do I accept Bowe's supporters thugster attitudes in the Golota fights... You have a point that Lennox had Riddick's senses reeling in Seoul ( yes, I have that fight of course) but I believe you go to far when you say that he would have done the same in 1993 or later, remember Cuban Jorge Luis Gonzales beat both Lewis and Bowe in the amateurs and Bowe pulverized him later... Bowe would have beaten Lewis had they met and had they performed like they did against common opponent Holyfield, that is my opinion ( not a fact like you claim your opinion is).

What is my interest in heavyweight box nowadays ( and this week in particuar) is Holyfield vs Ibragimov, not Lewis vs Bowe, Wlad Klitschko- Sam Peter claims to be Nº1 HWT, IBF tourneys or WBA eliminators so keep that in mind next time you ask me something... At the mean time, accept my apologies for any misunderstanding between two grown up ESB members.

Thanks for the well reasoned response. That clears matters up somewhat.

Re: Bert Sugar; I'm sure he's probably a better analyst than I am. I don't have the time nor the resources to devote to it, nor have I been around as long. However, i don't always agree with him.

Re: facts. I only meant it was a fact that Lewis triumphed in the Olympics and that Bowe threw away the belt rather than defend it against Lewis.

As to how such a fight would have turned out, my OPINION was that Lennox would have prevailed, but that part is not a fact.

Lennox reached prime 1998/99 and was prime till mid 2003. During that period, I have him top 5 head-to-head all time.

Once again, thank you for a clear and reasonable response.

Regards.

[marcin1786]

Golota....that fight is money in the bank for both fighters and a battle of 2 of the 90's biggest stars. Plus loser is forced into retirement

[Asterion]

Holyfield should face Wlad (but he would be killed).

[Dorfmeister]

Holyfield should face Wlad (but he would be killed).

The point should be whether or not the IBF would "release" Wlad from (t)his actionless captivity so that he could make a voluntary defense of the same against a WBO heavyweight titlist if Holyfield is to come out successful of his next fight assignement. I don't believe so because the IBF refused to sanction such a bout before and was the main reason Wlad refused a 20 million dollars proposal from M. Muhammad, and the IBF tournament winner is supposed to face Wlad and not whoever wins the title in the mean time - remember that the IBF made that deal with Wlad's, Povetkin's, Byrd's and Brock's handlers... Good news would be that Holy doesn't get "killed";)

[darkness]

Fight Golota that would be exciting and Hugly succesful box office wise.

[ChrisR]

If Holyfield wins, they'll start going backwards starting with Briggs.

[KO byBRIGGS]

If Holyfield wins, they'll start going backwards starting with Briggs.I`d like to see that fight but im positive its not happening. Holyfield will unify if he gets the belt, hes done it before and he has the money and political pull to make it happen again.