Tommy Gilmour Good or Bad promotor?

[bluenoseshf]

What is everyones opinion on argueably Scotlands top Promotor Tommy Gilmour? Do you think young scottish pros should go with Tommy and fight in Scotland or is it better for there carears to go with a bigger promotor eg. ****** and fight on bigger show but maybe not getting as much attention.

Personally i dont rate Gilmour, I feel he can develop fighters to british level but struggles to get them beyond this. Kevin Anderson for me is a prime example, Kevin Anderson was the british and commenwealth champion looking to be heading towards European title but within a year he had lost both his title and never fought again. Im not 100% sure why Anderson gave it up but ive heard that it was because he didnt want to fight for the fraction of the purse that he was getting as champion, surely a decent promotor would be able to convince his fighter that he could get him the big fights again. A more recent example would be Paul Appleby, I felt that gilmour should have got the fight over here to give Paul a better chance as i feel he got caught up in the atmosphere. I know that he got good money for fighting over there but that shouldnt be the main objective.

[Greg Houston]

I think he has done a lot for the sport here in Scotland but I have my reservations about him at times. Due to my income I can't afford to go to dinner shows so I've never been to a St Andrew's show. Whilst I'm sure it's a good night out I hate the fact that I miss the majority of bouts in Scotland beacause of this (taking into consideation that most of Morrison's fights are on dinner shows too)
I also don't like the way he tries to convince people that his boxers deserve title shots. His argument usually seems to be "He's had a certain number of fights and therefore deserves a British title shot," even if they've never fought a decent opponent.
As for the man himself i find him nice enough to talk to and you can get a good laugh out of him. At the area council agm's he normally talks more than anyone and makes them drag on for ages, but at least he cares enough to be there and contribute.

I wonder if Craig Stephen will comment on this thread

[cheekyvid]

get the feeling he's a good manager, no so good promoter

[bluenoseshf]

The lack of Non-dinner show is also a problem for me as i am a student and have limited income at the moment. Although this may not be entirely Tommys fault because i dont know if there is a market for boxing in scotland and so that might be the only way he can make money. I used to go to the shows when they were on at Kircaldy Ice rink and felt they were always good value for money and enjoyed them all.

[fatcity]

Does he promote any fights in an arena or are all his fights in this dinner club?I had heard at one point he co-promoted with Barry Hearn.

[saturday_kid]

He does do a lot with Barry Hearn, has his hands in Prizefighter and all Matchroom shows down here that involve any socttish fighters.

On a personal note he annoys me, probably a decent fella just has somethin about him on TV that makes me dislike him, also a lot of away fighters have been shafted on his St Andrews dinner shows.

[bluenoseshf]

He does the odd non-dinner shows the last one was at the Bellahouston centre in January. Yes he used to co-promote with Hearn for the Shows at Kirkcaldy Ice Rink which were on SKY, dont know if they still work together.

[fatcity]

Cheers guys!:hi:

[craig stephen]

I wonder if Craig Stephen will comment on this thread

What do you expect me to say, Greg?


I think he has done a lot for the sport here in Scotland but I have my reservations about him at times.


I hope that you tell him that next time that you see him :lol:










There is no way that I can comment on this without bias, I work for the guy.

As I said on another thread about Scott Harrison, you can only speak as you find. I haven't got a clue what Tommy's deals are with his boxers as, quite frankly, it's none of my business but he's always been good with me. He is loyal to those who are loyal to him.

One thing that I do know is that shows are hugely expensive to put on, from the ambulance, doctors, venue, officials, printing, administration etc..... and that's before you even think of paying the boxers. If you think that I'm lying, ask Willie Limond, he's done it himself.

Tommy Gilmour puts on 8 boxing shows per season at the St. Andrews Sporting Club and I'm sure that some of them will cost him money, but he puts them on regardless. He's also heavily involved with Matchroom sport, bringing Sky TV to Scotland whenever he can. As far as I can see, he puts on local small hall shows whenever he can, local boxers within their own area, like Ryan Brawley in Irvine, Gary McArthur in Clydebank, Kevin Anderson in Kirkcaldy and Barry Morrison in Motherwell.

So, biased or not, Greg. Good promoter

[NO MAS]

I don't know the fella but he gets involved in plenty of shows, I guess there will be politics and disagreements to be found with everyone I guess...:think

[Greg Houston]

Craig, I'm not saying he's a bad promoter. I suppose my comment about title shots is more as a manager than as promoter.
The reason I wondered if you would comment was because you work for him, just being a wee bit cheeky.
The dinner show thing is just my general frustration at what I miss out on in the sport and I can only comment from my own experience. I will admit that I should have said that I do appreciate the work he does to get public shows on through his links with Matchroom and I have been to a good few of them and always enjoyed myself.

[Greg Houston]

I think I should also mention that the shows he's been involved with promoting in Aberdeen have generally been a good night out and worth the 3 hour journey.

[kerrminator]

Pushes his prospects a bit too fast imo and will give away home advantage to save a few quid.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Pushes his prospects a bit too fast imo and will give away home advantage to save a few quid.

A certain paul Applebey springs to mind;)

[Dunky McCafferty]

Gilmours better than Alex Morrison I suppose, but Im not a fan. Hes got too many of his fighters shafted cos he only cares about the money, NOT his fighters.

IMHO of course.

[TheUzi]

Is there an 'ugly' option?

[NO MAS]

A certain paul Applebey springs to mind;)

Didn't he get Appleby £100k for that fight...:think that was the pre and post fight chatter apparently...:think

If that was the case they defo rolled the dice and Appleby is young enough to come again and learn from the experience...:yep

[bluenoseshf]

Yea i heard it was a large purse, but surely it would have been better to secure home advantage then go on to bigger and better things, now Paul will be making a fraction of this until he gets back up to this level. ALthough Paul left Gilmour soon after this so maybe Gilmour was trying to milk paul for as much money as possible from Paul before he left.

[NO MAS]

Yea i heard it was a large purse, but surely it would have been better to secure home advantage then go on to bigger and better things, now Paul will be making a fraction of this until he gets back up to this level. ALthough Paul left Gilmour soon after this so maybe Gilmour was trying to milk paul for as much money as possible from Paul before he left.

Who has Paul gone with...:think

[bluenoseshf]

Hes just signed a deal with ******, which could go either way i feel. It may allow him to develop and reach a new level fighting on bigger shows or he may stall and just become an undercard fighter as Arthur did after he lost the title under ******.

[NO MAS]

Hes just signed a deal with ******, which could go either way i feel. It may allow him to develop and reach a new level fighting on bigger shows or he may stall and just become an undercard fighter as Arthur did after he lost the title under ******.


I think if Appleby delivers he will be good with his new promoter...:good

[billy nelson]

Gilmours better than Alex Morrison I suppose, but Im not a fan. Hes got too many of his fighters shafted cos he only cares about the money, NOT his fighters.

IMHO of course.how can you make that statement? alex manages the best 3 boxers currently in Scotland Burns,Simpson and Limond as well as Hughes who imo will win thw SBW title when hes ready

[Greg Houston]

how can you make that statement? alex manages the best 3 boxers currently in Scotland Burns,Simpson and Limond as well as Hughes who imo will win thw SBW title when hes ready

What I would suggest on that Billy is that Gilmour is maybe a better promoter as he does put on more shows, especially public ones (although I did really enjoy myself at the Pavillion when Alex promoted).

As for management I really couldn't say who is better.

[Dunky McCafferty]

how can you make that statement?


& wheres the big fights? Burns maybe or maybe not will be fighting Martinez, but thats only cos of ******. Simpson has been getting sent into everyones backyard for years, stuck fighting at the same level & getting robbed more than once. Best wee Simmy can hope for is a fight against Lindsey in his Martins back yard... Limond? Last I saw him, he was on an undercard at the Pavilion.

Sorry Billy, but Alex Morrison is awful. Who can forget recently when he was saying in the papers that he thought Simpson had made a mistake by giving up the booze? & didnt he have Ricky Burns fighting in a bloody chinese restaurant not so long ago? Oh theres plent more things I could slag him off about, but that should do for starters.

[Dunky McCafferty]

(although I did really enjoy myself at the Pavillion when Alex promoted)

Aye, that would be the one where Alex tried to make a speech to the audience, but was too drunk to talk:lol:

There wasnt even any steps leading up to the ring FFS, Alex put a chair where they should have been so the ringcard girl could get in & out of the ring!
Funny stuff, but utterly shambolic...

& Billy wonders why I dont rate him...

[Greg Houston]

& didnt he have Ricky Burns fighting in a bloody chinese restaurant not so long ago? .

What the hell?

[Dunky McCafferty]

What the hell?

Yup, Alex was gloating about it a while back:patsch

[Greg Houston]

Aye, that would be the one where Alex tried to make a speech to the audience, but was too drunk to talk:lol:

There wasnt even any steps leading up to the ring FFS, Alex put a chair where they should have been so the ringcard girl could get in & out of the ring!
Funny stuff, but utterly shambolic...

& Billy wonders why I dont rate him...

There were some things that wrre a bit stupid, but I still enjoyed myself. There was one of the most amazing knockouts I've ever seen, the main event was intriguing, although not great and the atmosphere was good enough. Added with how good a seat I had it made for a god night apart from my missus going mental at me about the time when I finally got back to Bathgate

[Dunky McCafferty]

There were some things that wrre a bit stupid, but I still enjoyed myself. There was one of the most amazing knockouts I've ever seen, the main event was intriguing, although not great and the atmosphere was good enough. Added with how good a seat I had it made for a god night apart from my missus going mental at me about the time when I finally got back to Bathgate

Dont get me wrong Greg, I had a good night too, even though I was off the booze for once:good However, Billy asked me to explain myself, & thats what I did. Its what I always do. Its how I roll. You gotta roll with it. Roll with the punches. keep rollin rollin rollin like a rollin stone.

[NO MAS]

Am I the only Englishman on this thread...:hi:

[tonysaprano]

What is everyones opinion on argueably Scotlands top Promotor Tommy Gilmour? Do you think young scottish pros should go with Tommy and fight in Scotland or is it better for there carears to go with a bigger promotor eg. ****** and fight on bigger show but maybe not getting as much attention.

Personally i dont rate Gilmour, I feel he can develop fighters to british level but struggles to get them beyond this. Kevin Anderson for me is a prime example, Kevin Anderson was the british and commenwealth champion looking to be heading towards European title but within a year he had lost both his title and never fought again. Im not 100% sure why Anderson gave it up but ive heard that it was because he didnt want to fight for the fraction of the purse that he was getting as champion, surely a decent promotor would be able to convince his fighter that he could get him the big fights again. A more recent example would be Paul Appleby, I felt that gilmour should have got the fight over here to give Paul a better chance as i feel he got caught up in the atmosphere. I know that he got good money for fighting over there but that shouldnt be the main objective.


To be fair to Gilmour, the reason Anderson lost was because he changed his trainers, he went to Shannons and was never the same again, slow sloth like, not the thunderous fast mover of before. So it aint Gilmours fault, Kevs and Shannons more like. Again with Appleby, he must be a good promoter to get the kid into the position in the first place, he just got beaten by a better fighter on the night, a bit more experience cant go amiss, although going with Terry McCormack:huh not sure its a good idea, didnt exactly do Arthurs any good did it? Gilmour is the best we have for sure, up here at least. Who else is there Morrison, come on now:-(

[kerrminator]

Ando was another one who was in too many tough fights before he had fully developed and now as a result he seems a bit punchy. Maybe Gilmour knows if he gets a decent fighter its only a matter of time til ****** swoops in and steals them so he bleeds them like a vampire before they get the chance to leave him.

ps. Appleby getting paid 100k was just a rumour.

[PaddyD1983]

Gilmour must have a huge stable?!

I know he's got a fair few Scousers signed up like.

[Top Dog]

Gilmour must have a huge stable?!

I know he's got a fair few Scousers signed up like.


I heard he had 50 odd guys?! dont know for a fact though

[billy nelson]

& wheres the big fights? Burns maybe or maybe not will be fighting Martinez, but thats only cos of ******. Simpson has been getting sent into everyones backyard for years, stuck fighting at the same level & getting robbed more than once. Best wee Simmy can hope for is a fight against Lindsey in his Martins back yard... Limond? Last I saw him, he was on an undercard at the Pavilion.

Sorry Billy, but Alex Morrison is awful. Who can forget recently when he was saying in the papers that he thought Simpson had made a mistake by giving up the booze? & didnt he have Ricky Burns fighting in a bloody chinese restaurant not so long ago? Oh theres plent more things I could slag him off about, but that should do for starters.Burns is fighting for the world title,simpson will fight any european featherweight and gladly fight martin in Belfast if he wins tonight.simpson comment was tounge n cheek dunky and the show in the chinese was a great night of boxing 600 or so attended ask any promoter they would be delighted with that at a show

[Dunky McCafferty]

Burns is fighting for the world title,simpson will fight any european featherweight and gladly fight martin in Belfast if he wins tonight.simpson comment was tounge n cheek dunky and the show in the chinese was a great night of boxing 600 or so attended ask any promoter they would be delighted with that at a show

Well Billy, I take my hat off to old Alex if he managed to fit 600 folk in here
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[Top Dog]

Well Billy, I take my hat off to old Alex if he managed to fit 600 folk in here
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:lol::lol::yep Classic

[billy nelson]

Brilliant dunky we got them in bit by bit lol

[slipandmove]

hard to say but heard gilmours abit grippy when it cums to paying fighters and has too many fighters to manage so forgets about sum!
Alexs few fighter that he has are decent,burns,hughes,limond,simpson,mcmillan, also all scots!

[maka]

Well Billy, I take my hat off to old Alex if he managed to fit 600 folk in here
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:lol:


"fly like a butta-fly sting like ...... ra cully sauce"

[Dunky McCafferty]

:lol:


"fly like a butta-fly sting like ...... ra cully sauce"

You are crack.ers Maka:D

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[MIK1000]

I've heard that he is an absolute tosser.

[MIK1000]

Ando was another one who was in too many tough fights before he had fully developed and now as a result he seems a bit punchy. Maybe Gilmour knows if he gets a decent fighter its only a matter of time til ****** swoops in and steals them so he bleeds them like a vampire before they get the chance to leave him.

ps. Appleby getting paid 100k was just a rumour.



Yes, apparently is was closer to a quarter of that.

[MIK1000]

& wheres the big fights? Burns maybe or maybe not will be fighting Martinez, but thats only cos of ******. Simpson has been getting sent into everyones backyard for years, stuck fighting at the same level & getting robbed more than once. Best wee Simmy can hope for is a fight against Lindsey in his Martins back yard... Limond? Last I saw him, he was on an undercard at the Pavilion.

Sorry Billy, but Alex Morrison is awful. Who can forget recently when he was saying in the papers that he thought Simpson had made a mistake by giving up the booze? & didnt he have Ricky Burns fighting in a bloody chinese restaurant not so long ago? Oh theres plent more things I could slag him off about, but that should do for starters.

Agree with you Dunky. Sending young fighters down to the lions den against top fighters where even if they do manage to win, they get shafted by the judges. Ricky Burns getting sent down to fight Graham Earl in his 10th fight???? A 10-0 Martin Watson fighting Steve Murray down south?? Getting shafted in Brit title elimator against Lee Meager.
He couldn't promote a piss up in a brewrey.

[themacallan]

...He is loyal to those who are loyal to him...:think

[alba]

i think he does the job in some cirucmstances but he is very biased towards west coast fighters and venues,but sometmes that can make finacial sense i suppose.

[billy nelson]

i think he does the job in some cirucmstances but he is very biased towards west coast fighters and venues,but sometmes that can make finacial sense i suppose.promoters will stage fights were fighters will sell tickets at the end of the day,not one boxer from the east coast in the last 10 years is a ticket seller i know thats a fact.

[D Coldwell]

Got to say, the money that Appleby got for Lindsay was more than some fighters get for World title challenges.
So for a young kid to get that kind of money in a fight that was a 50/50 going into, i don't see the problem.
If Appleby didn't want the fight, he should have said and not taken it, boxed for a few quid against hand picked opponents and not learnt anything from the fights.
He will have learnt plenty from that fight, a good fight against a good boxer. If he had beaten Martin, who was being beaten by Derry Mathews until landing the big shot, would people have blamed Tommy Gilmour for taking the fight then?
Before the fight, plenty inc team Appleby thought they were going to win, he lost in a terrific fight that will have made him better in the long run. Shame he has been out so long and lost the momentum.

[MIK1000]

Got to say, the money that Appleby got for Lindsay was more than some fighters get for World title challenges.
So for a young kid to get that kind of money in a fight that was a 50/50 going into, i don't see the problem.
If Appleby didn't want the fight, he should have said and not taken it, boxed for a few quid against hand picked opponents and not learnt anything from the fights.
He will have learnt plenty from that fight, a good fight against a good boxer. If he had beaten Martin, who was being beaten by Derry Mathews until landing the big shot, would people have blamed Tommy Gilmour for taking the fight then?
Before the fight, plenty inc team Appleby thought they were going to win, he lost in a terrific fight that will have made him better in the long run. Shame he has been out so long and lost the momentum.


See my last post. I have from a reliable source that it was closer to a quarter of the hundred grand that was rumoured.

[D Coldwell]

See my last post. I have from a reliable source that it was closer to a quarter of the hundred grand that was rumoured.

No offence mate, but it was ME who did the deal so i'm quite a good source.

[kosaros]

No offence mate, but it was ME who did the deal so i'm quite a good source.

:lol:

[Beeston Brawler]

It makes me laugh that people think it was bad promoting putting two young, undefeated fighters in with each other.

In the UK there's way too much of this ''let's do it when it's bigger'' shite - it's ok in America where there are plenty of decent quality over there to keep them fighters occupied.

We should want high quality fighters in British title fights as often as possible.

[D Coldwell]

It makes me laugh that people think it was bad promoting putting two young, undefeated fighters in with each other.

In the UK there's way too much of this ''let's do it when it's bigger'' shite - it's ok in America where there are plenty of decent quality over there to keep them fighters occupied.

We should want high quality fighters in British title fights as often as possible.

I agree with you, good fight, both learnt plenty and got paid well.
Appleby is a talent and will come again.
Like u say, we' ve seen plenty of good never happen because they wait and one of them gets beat.

[Beeston Brawler]

I just remember what Gilmour said in the interview, that it was a setback but Appleby would come back, making reference to Haye losing to Carl Thompson and becoming undisputed cruiser champion only a couple of years later.

Never a truer word spoken. Some of the fights people talk about building.... crazy. We don't have the depth here to wait for both to hold titles ala Leonard & Hearns!

Winning and losing go hand in hand, I'm not saying Appleby will get to world level or not, but he wouldn't be the first to do so after a KO loss on the way up. Likewise plenty of winners in such fights don't do much of note afterwards.

[billy nelson]

Got to say, the money that Appleby got for Lindsay was more than some fighters get for World title challenges.
So for a young kid to get that kind of money in a fight that was a 50/50 going into, i don't see the problem.
If Appleby didn't want the fight, he should have said and not taken it, boxed for a few quid against hand picked opponents and not learnt anything from the fights.
He will have learnt plenty from that fight, a good fight against a good boxer. If he had beaten Martin, who was being beaten by Derry Mathews until landing the big shot, would people have blamed Tommy Gilmour for taking the fight then?
Before the fight, plenty inc team Appleby thought they were going to win, he lost in a terrific fight that will have made him better in the long run. Shame he has been out so long and lost the momentum.my personal opinion was that Martin dominated Paul in there fight Dave hardly a fantastic fight,it will be interesting to see how Paul looks when he gets back.

[jinks]

billy are you sure about your facts as i been on gary youngs buses and did big alex morrision no thank the wise men from the east for making his show a great success and also why did sportsnet work keep running show in the east if they cant sell tickets

[Dunky McCafferty]

No offence mate, but it was ME who did the deal so i'm quite a good source.

So you did the deal.

Did that mean Appleby actually got the whole hundred grand paid straight into his bank account? Cos his mother certainly didnt think he seen all the money, & she posts here.

So that means someone is lying... am I right?

(damn I love acting all Columbo here:hey)

[jinks]

i been to the st andrew sport club many times and nine times out of ten it has up and coming boxers learning there trade its more of a night out for proment buisness men but i remeber years ago there was a bout with i think chris mchale it was a ******* . but i think gilmour has got some of his boxers title fight a lot quicker than most he can open doors so with regard him looking after his boxer i dont no i known a lot of them critises him but he been there for years so must be doing something right. ps billy i phoned gary young about you saying no one from the east sells tickets he says that after two years out he sold 150 tickets in glasgow and before he had his lay off he was well know for selling tickets

[D Coldwell]

So you did the deal.

Did that mean Appleby actually got the whole hundred grand paid straight into his bank account? Cos his mother certainly didnt think he seen all the money, & she posts here.

So that means someone is lying... am I right?

(damn I love acting all Columbo here:hey)

People can keep talking figures but i'm not gonna say how much his purse was mate. It wasn't a hundred grand, that is a ridiculous amount but like I said the purse he got was more than what a lot of boxers get for world title challenges.
He must have been happy with it to have accepted it surely?

[Mazallan]

I like Gilmour. Seems to do a good job.

[alba]

promoters will stage fights were fighters will sell tickets at the end of the day,not one boxer from the east coast in the last 10 years is a ticket seller i know thats a fact.

i think lee mccallister sells well Billy,im sure Dave will be able to confirm that.

[alba]

I agree with you, good fight, both learnt plenty and got paid well.
Appleby is a talent and will come again.
Like u say, we' ve seen plenty of good never happen because they wait and one of them gets beat.

Dave wat is the situation with martin lindsay ,is he still with hayemaker promotional and manger wise or is he now with maloney!

[Top Dog]

i think lee mccallister sells well Billy,im sure Dave will be able to confirm that.


Yeah think your right, also Kevin Anderson used to sell bundles of tickets when he boxed.

[billy nelson]

billy are you sure about your facts as i been on gary youngs buses and did big alex morrision no thank the wise men from the east for making his show a great success and also why did sportsnet work keep running show in the east if they cant sell ticketsyes im very sure,remember all the west coast boxers on your shows?how many shows did they run with in Edinburgh?:good

[billy nelson]

i been to the st andrew sport club many times and nine times out of ten it has up and coming boxers learning there trade its more of a night out for proment buisness men but i remeber years ago there was a bout with i think chris mchale it was a ******* . but i think gilmour has got some of his boxers title fight a lot quicker than most he can open doors so with regard him looking after his boxer i dont no i known a lot of them critises him but he been there for years so must be doing something right. ps billy i phoned gary young about you saying no one from the east sells tickets he says that after two years out he sold 150 tickets in glasgow and before he had his lay off he was well know for selling ticketsYes Gary was the best by far at selling tickets but in comparison with burns 700 or more for the gomez fight,willie limond took 1,000 or so to the khan fight theres simply no argument sorry

[billy nelson]

i think lee mccallister sells well Billy,im sure Dave will be able to confirm that.Lees really North East but a good ticket seller all the same

[Dunky McCafferty]

Yeah think your right, also Kevin Anderson used to sell bundles of tickets when he boxed.

Any word on Ando TD my good man? Its like hes done a Lord Lucan on us

[Dunky McCafferty]

People can keep talking figures but i'm not gonna say how much his purse was mate. It wasn't a hundred grand, that is a ridiculous amount but like I said the purse he got was more than what a lot of boxers get for world title challenges.
He must have been happy with it to have accepted it surely?

All I know is this.

Someones lying, & its my job to get to the bottom of it.

Just kidding Coldy, I couldnt care less how much he got, Im just pissed off to this day that Apples got jobbed in Ireland for a few dollars more. Gilmours not daft, he set young apples up for a fall.

However, the story has a happy ending, now that Mr ****** has signed Appleby up, I can see Scotland having another world champ in the next few years, while Lindsay & co are still scrapping it out on the domestic scene:yep

Back to the money... Knowing Apples though, he probably blew the cash on cheap hookers & spray tans anyway. Young uns today, eh?;)

[tony mush]

All I know is this.

Someones lying, & its my job to get to the bottom of it.

Just kidding Coldy, I couldnt care less how much he got, Im just pissed off to this day that Apples got jobbed in Ireland for a few dollars more. Gilmours not daft, he set young apples up for a fall.

However, the story has a happy ending, now that Mr ****** has signed Appleby up, I can see Scotland having another world champ in the next few years, while Lindsay & co are still scrapping it out on the domestic scene:yep

Back to the money... Knowing Apples though, he probably blew the cash on cheap hookers & spray tans anyway. Young uns today, eh?;)
lindsays gone with frank maloney

[kerrminator]

Appleby fought a tough fight in Glasgow to earn that title and regardless of what he was paid against lindsay he should have been defending it at home instead of facing a very hostile crowd. He was no way ready for an atmosphere like that after about 10 or so fights so the blame lies at one door imo and thats his management

[billy nelson]

good luck to Gary Young in Denmark friday

[kerrminator]

good luck to Gary Young in Denmark friday
Good shout.

All the best Gary :happy

[boxing fan]

morrison or gilmour,what does it matter,you love them or hate them , but the bottom line is what would scottish boxing do without them,they are professional boxing in scotland and without them there is no pro boxing in scotland,

[robster]

morrison or gilmour,what does it matter,you love them or hate them , but the bottom line is what would scottish boxing do without them,they are professional boxing in scotland and without them there is no pro boxing in scotland,

Not very fuckin subtle, but a very valid point. wonder if old Tommy's secretly quite chuffed there's a 5 page thread about him

[Top Dog]

Any word on Ando TD my good man? Its like hes done a Lord Lucan on us


Awright Dunky, no word on Ando mate, never heard from him once he went downsouth to train, that was the end mate, shame really.

[jinks]

good luck to gary young in demark

[Dunky McCafferty]

Awright Dunky, no word on Ando mate, never heard from him once he went downsouth to train, that was the end mate, shame really.

Shannon definitely ruined wee ando TD, thats for sure. I was hoping against hope that some of our contacts would have heard something, but it looks like Kevin Anderson is done & dusted.

Thanks for nothing Shannon, imagine this guy making ando do army training, it still rankles me to this day:twisted:

[Dunky McCafferty]

As for the poll result, Gilmour wins the bad promoter award by wide UD:deal

[apps1]

Didn't he get Appleby £100k for that fight...:think that was the pre and post fight chatter apparently...:think

If that was the case they defo rolled the dice and Appleby is young enough to come again and learn from the experience...:yeppaul never got anywhere near 100 k

[apps1]

Got to say, the money that Appleby got for Lindsay was more than some fighters get for World title challenges.
So for a young kid to get that kind of money in a fight that was a 50/50 going into, i don't see the problem.
If Appleby didn't want the fight, he should have said and not taken it, boxed for a few quid against hand picked opponents and not learnt anything from the fights.
He will have learnt plenty from that fight, a good fight against a good boxer. If he had beaten Martin, who was being beaten by Derry Mathews until landing the big shot, would people have blamed Tommy Gilmour for taking the fight then?
Before the fight, plenty inc team Appleby thought they were going to win, he lost in a terrific fight that will have made him better in the long run. Shame he has been out so long and lost the momentum.the money that paul ended up with was no where near what people are making out he got and definately no where near what world title challenger gets all the rumours that keep flying about are highly highly inflated i can personally say he didnt even get a quarter of what people are sayin . Paul got beat fair and square by a better fighter on the night there is no doubt about that . There is alot of stuff that wasnt done for and with paul in the run up to the fight but that makes it sound like i am making excuses , but take nothing away from lindsay he deserved to win and have the title , a complete gentleman . Hopefully now he is havin a fresh start maybe his career will turn around.

[apps1]

No offence mate, but it was ME who did the deal so i'm quite a good source.
i feel that wht deal was made and wht money paul ended up with were alot diffrent but paul accepted what he was given so no one else is to blame , Paul hopefully has a long and successfull career ahead of him a setback which had a big effect on paul and his boxing but everything ion life is a learning curve i just hope paul takes his defeat and learns from it . Complete off the subject though hayemaker were fantastic in belfast .

[HairyHighlander]

I fucking love ESB !!!!!!!!


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[Dunky McCafferty]

I WARNED Coldwell that Pauls mum posted here!

Now lets see him talk his way out of this one:hey

Where are ya Coldwell, were waiting:DD:

P.S Apps one, I was only joking in my earlier post about your boy blowing his purse on cheap whores!







OR WAS I...;)

[apps1]

I WARNED Coldwell that Pauls mum posted here!

Now lets see him talk his way out of this one:hey

Where are ya Coldwell, were waiting:DD:

P.S Apps one, I was only joking in my earlier post about your boy blowing his purse on cheap whores!







OR WAS I...;)I am not posting on here to cause any animosity or that with Mr Coldwell as i said hayemaker were fantastic with us and paul i just strongly disagree with certain rumours that are flying around and keep coming up about how much money Paul recieved for his fight against Lindsay it is a constant thing that gets brought up every now and then that he got 100k and i just think that it gives certain young up and coming boxers ideas that this is what they get paid when it clearly doesnt happen , i dont know if i am making sense or not so i do apologize . You go into certain deals and certain fights and get told or read about how much money you are supposed to be getting and you get no where near it . Each promoter / manager makes there own deals and each fighter ends up gettin completetly diffrent amounts forfights , be it title fights or just normal fights . I guess what i am trying to say is that wht amount paul ended up with for his defence and what someone else gets for the same title defence could be completely diffrent it is never the same it depends on the deal made at the time . I dont know if this sounds right or i have just confused people so i do apologize .

[maka]

looks like i forkin love ESB too :good:bbb

[BigDes]

What is everyones opinion on argueably Scotlands top Promotor Tommy Gilmour? Do you think young scottish pros should go with Tommy and fight in Scotland or is it better for there carears to go with a bigger promotor eg. ****** and fight on bigger show but maybe not getting as much attention.

Personally i dont rate Gilmour, I feel he can develop fighters to british level but struggles to get them beyond this. Kevin Anderson for me is a prime example, Kevin Anderson was the british and commenwealth champion looking to be heading towards European title but within a year he had lost both his title and never fought again. Im not 100% sure why Anderson gave it up but ive heard that it was because he didnt want to fight for the fraction of the purse that he was getting as champion, surely a decent promotor would be able to convince his fighter that he could get him the big fights again. A more recent example would be Paul Appleby, I felt that gilmour should have got the fight over here to give Paul a better chance as i feel he got caught up in the atmosphere. I know that he got good money for fighting over there but that shouldnt be the main objective.
What I do know is his wife is the rudest woman I have ever met.