If Kessler beats Froch?! [Archive] - East Side Boxing Forum

GazOC

03-19-2010, 07:21 PM

If Kessler beats Froch...

...what does this do to his status, record/resume and legacy?

Gets it back on track but nothing more than that IMHO. He'll need to win the Super 6 and/ or beat Ward to fully redeem himself.

GazOC

03-19-2010, 07:22 PM

does that mean they both stay in the tournament ?

Yep, I think so.

Flea Man

03-19-2010, 07:23 PM

I think Kessler will beat Froch but not as convingly as he did Andrade. Froch will be a little too cagey for that, and he's not a guy that's always on the inside. But it doesn't do a huge amount for Kesslers legacy IMO as the blueprint to beat him has been laid out and I can't see him going that far in the tournament.

I'm going for an Abraham-Ward finale :deal both undefeated when they get there.

LP_1985

03-19-2010, 07:24 PM

If Kessler beats Froch...

...what does this do to his status, record/resume and legacy?

froch's legacy or kessler's

Guy

03-19-2010, 07:24 PM

Yep, I think so.

Thanks;)

so Kessler's out if he loses and Dirrell and does Green inherit Taylors loss?:huh hehe jokin

KingCobra

03-19-2010, 07:26 PM

its only a matter of time for froch anyway. one schooling and he will fade out prety fast.

It's only a matter of time for any of us :hey Froch will beat Kessler IMO.

Primadonna Kool

03-19-2010, 07:45 PM

Froch will hurl some insults in Joe Calzaghe's direaction...........

anjawnaymiz

03-19-2010, 07:46 PM

ive got froch stopping kessler late but i think abraham will put froch to bed and win the whole tournament.

JonOli

03-19-2010, 07:54 PM

froch's legacy or kessler's

Kessler's

JonOli

03-19-2010, 07:55 PM

ive got froch stopping kessler late but i think abraham will put froch to bed and win the whole tournament.

I'm not sure Arthur throws enough to do that.

LP_1985

03-19-2010, 07:55 PM

Kessler's

oh rite. wwho does he box after froch. i think its green but not sure

Grant1

03-19-2010, 08:01 PM

Froch; nothing really. He just gets a pin stuck in him which is going to come at some point regardless.

Kessler; possibly his best win, albeit expected. He needs to beat Ward to redeem himself. I've not ruled that out yet.

s23041983

03-19-2010, 08:02 PM

It's only a matter of time for any of us :hey Froch will beat Kessler IMO.
i disagree, but lets see which kessler and which froch turns up ay?! :good

Beeston Brawler

03-19-2010, 08:06 PM

I'm not sure Arthur throws enough to do that.

I could imagine this one being a bit cagey early on, both wary of each other to a degree.

Once it warmed up though :hey

I don't see how anyone can dislike Froch. Sure, he talks shit every now and then, but is willing to lay it all on the line and will fight anyone, anywhere.

JonOli

03-19-2010, 08:21 PM

I guess it would be seen as his best win?

JonOli

03-19-2010, 08:41 PM

I think it will be a good win and comeback for Kessler (certainly so, given his last one sided defeat... a win would show a lot of things, and credit to him), but personally, I don't think it warrants his resurrection as Superman on here, for beating Froch... but you just know it's gonna happen.

Grant1

03-19-2010, 08:46 PM

I think it will be a good win and comeback for Kessler (certainly so, given his last one sided defeat... a win would show a lot of things), but personally I don't want to see his resurrection as Superman on here for beating Froch... but you just know it's gonna happen.

Nah, I don't see it.

Beating Froch would give him some credit but he'd need to beat Ward for redemption.

JonOli

03-19-2010, 08:48 PM

Nah, I don't see it.

Beating Froch would give him some credit but he'd need to beat Ward for redemption.

Not to be too harsh, it still would be a good win for him and possibly/probably his best. He certainly would deserve credit for it, especially after coming off the loss he is doing.

icemax

03-19-2010, 08:57 PM

its only a matter of time for froch anyway. one schooling and he will fade out prety fast.

Froch; nothing really. He just gets a pin stuck in him which is going to come at some point regardless.

Come on, this is fairly lazy punditry....of course there is an almost certain chance that a fighter will get beat at least once during the course of his career.

Bit of a moot point in this fight anyway...Froch wins by stoppage (cuts) round 7 after Kessler has been eating Carls peachy straight rights all fight...take that to the bank

JonOli

03-19-2010, 08:58 PM

Not sure how much this headline rings true.

Kessler: I lose, it's over

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Strong words, though they may be lost in translation...

Grant1

03-19-2010, 09:00 PM

Come on, this is fairly lazy punditry....of course there is an almost certain chance that a fighter will get beat at least once during the course of his career

Of course, but for me a loss does almost no harm to Froch's legacy.

icemax

03-19-2010, 09:04 PM

Of course, but for me a loss does almost no harm to Froch's legacy.

It shouldn't to any fighters, especially if they are mixing in the company that Froch is at the moment:thumbsup

Grant1

03-19-2010, 09:26 PM

It shouldn't to any fighters, especially if they are mixing in the company that Froch is at the moment:thumbsup

Eh?

Wins and losses = +'s & -'s

Them's the rules.

p.Townend

03-19-2010, 09:40 PM

Kessler has everything there to beat Froch so if he does not i think it shows his best days are behind him.

JonOli

03-19-2010, 10:09 PM

Kessler has everything there to beat Froch so if he does not i think it shows his best days are behind him.

So if Kessler looses to Froch, it simply means that he is/was no longer as good as he once was?

DOM5153

03-20-2010, 07:33 AM

I believe Kessler has faded a bit and suffered from bad preparation for the Ward fight, i find Mikkel a much nicer character than Froch which is probably why i want him to win.

If the Kessler from the Andrade fight turns up then he wins by comfortable yet exciting UD

If the Kessler from the Ward fight turns up then Froch should be able to punish Kessler to a late stoppage.

My prediction for the fight is Kessler to show up wanting to prove a point and comes out like a man that wont be denied on his way to a close UD

A win over Froch has to be rated highly as hes beaten some good names, a win over Kessler coming off a loss im not so sure and i wont pass comment until i see how he looks in defeat.

icemax

03-20-2010, 07:50 AM

Eh?

Wins and losses = +'s & -'s

Them's the rules.

:huh So Calzaghes record is better than Jimmy Wildes? or Roman Greenbergs is better than Ali?

Grant1

03-20-2010, 09:43 AM

:huh So Calzaghes record is better than Jimmy Wildes? or Roman Greenbergs is better than Ali?

Course not.

But to suggest a loss against Kessler means nothing implys the reverse is also true and a win would mean nothing.

It's nonsensical.

icemax

03-20-2010, 09:50 AM

Course not.

But to suggest a loss against Kessler means nothing implys the reverse is also true and a win would mean nothing.

It's nonsensical.

I didn't say that it meant nothing, you have missed out the "almost". A loss against Kessler would have a significantly lesser impact on Frochs legacy than if he had lost against Mathew Barnie or Brian Magee. The mythical "0" is massively overrated, especially if you do not pit your skills against the very, very best around as Froch is doing and instead feed on skimmers and B or C class opposition.

GazOC

03-20-2010, 09:52 AM

Will Froch be "exposed" if he loses to Kessler?

;O)

Beeston Brawler

03-20-2010, 09:55 AM

I didn't say that it meant nothing, you have missed out the "almost". A loss against Kessler would have a significantly lesser impact on Frochs legacy than if he had lost against Mathew Barnie or Brian Magee. The mythical "0" is massively overrated, especially if you do not pit your skills against the very, very best around as Froch is doing and instead feed on skimmers and B or C class opposition.

I can see where this discussion is heading.... good job Dan is offline :hey

icemax

03-20-2010, 09:55 AM

I can see where this discussion is heading.... good job Dan is offline :hey

I have no idea what you mean :hey

GazOC

03-20-2010, 09:56 AM

I can see where this discussion is heading.... good job Dan is offline :hey

All roads lead to Calzaghe.:lol:

Beeston Brawler

03-20-2010, 09:58 AM

:yep

Whatever Ice :hey

I'm still not settled on a pick for this fight..... a year ago I'd have said Kessler KO in a heartbeat.

Yeah all roads to lead to Slappy unfortunately :-(

bailey

03-20-2010, 07:05 PM

It would definately enhance Kesslers legacy, which I dont think is bad anyway. If he beats Froch he will be a 2 time WBC & a 2 time WBA champ which is good going, not to mention Kesslers great attitude in that hes defended away to Mundine, away to Haussler, met Calzaghe away in a unification bout, and put his title on the line away to Ward, along with other names on his resume in undefeated Andrade, Lucas, 3 time WBC champ Beyer, Siaca and WBA regular champ Sartison (regular champ, what rubbish that is, but.....).
All in all Kesslers had a good career and nothing to be ashamed of

Guy

03-20-2010, 07:33 PM

Kessler seemed a bit fragile against Ward, inactivity got to him or age..

JoeAverage

03-21-2010, 07:41 AM

Kessler and Froch are in a league of their own in terms of balls. The only ones to repeatedly have taken their biggest fights abroad - despite the statistics showing that going abroad equals defeat in 99% of cases.

Mazallan

03-21-2010, 07:43 AM

This fight is epic for Joe Calzaghes legacy.

GazOC

03-21-2010, 07:49 AM

No Fear

03-21-2010, 09:15 AM

This fight is epic for Joe Calzaghes legacy.

I'm worried for Calzaghe.

He will be having sleepless nights thinking about this fight and I genuinely think there will be a missing persons search if Froch stopped Kessler.

Grant1

03-21-2010, 10:31 AM

Will Froch be "exposed" if he loses to Kessler?

;O)

I wrote something similar in the General about Haye.

I fitted right in.

NB - this is my first sober post in this thread. Some of my contradictions have been class.

EnglishWay

03-22-2010, 03:49 PM

ive got froch stopping kessler late but i think abraham will put froch to bed and win the whole tournament.
thats what i reckon but im dreaming that froch is gonna pull it off and win the whole tournament how good it would be..

46and0

03-22-2010, 04:19 PM

Kessler losing doesn't effect Calzaghe's record in the slightest. They fought two and a half years ago and Kessler has since had a period of inactivity due to promotional disputes and then suffered a bad loss to Ward, in which his Chevy Chase was sliced open with deliberate headbutts.

I'll be very surprised if Froch doesn't win this fight. He seems stronger physically at this point in their careers.