PACS defense was most improved!!! [Archive]

chimba

10-07-2007, 10:32 PM

I was shocked with his defense last night

PAC never got hit in the middle of thering when the fight was in neutral..Only time he got hit was when he tried to aggress taking 1 in order to land 2.

“I lost my head in a few rounds,” said a somber Barrera, whose record now stands at a still-impressive 63-6 (42). “I shouldn’t have lost my head and fought the way I did a few times, I should have boxed more.

“My corner told me I needed to take it too him and land more punches, but [Pacquiao] had such a good defense that it was hard to do so.”

This is what Barrera said, I saw the fight and I was saying all along that PACs Defense was marvelous. It was shockingly good. And to think some bitches are in denial.:-( :smoke

KO Boxing

10-07-2007, 10:38 PM

His defence has certainly improved no doubt, and is possibly apart of the reason why his offense didn't seem so effective either (coupled with Barrera fighting to "survive", or box, however way you look at it).

chimba

10-07-2007, 10:43 PM

I thought he got tagged way too much. DOn;t know what fight you were watching.

I watch the fight that your blind eye cant see. In the middle of the ring he got tagged??? Maybe when he was being agressive and brawling he did. Do you know how to watch a fight. because you are arguing with his opponent who was in the ring..

Seriously, its a dumb post...I hope you're not stupid

theunderdog

10-07-2007, 10:56 PM

if mab was willing to exchange, you would have seen more of pac's lack in defense. sadly, mab didn't want to do that

janorasiii

10-07-2007, 11:04 PM

as you might have noticed the pacman that we saw last night is the real pacman, stubborn and not focused... don't get me wrong, i am a pacman fan and a FILIPINO, however the sad part of yesterdays fight was that he was not listening to his coach.. he could take out barrera any time but he chose not to for reasons he alone can answer.. disgusting fight... i hope that he would be able to get his act together and balance his fighting tactics (offense and defense) not just defense!!!
:fire:thumbsup

janorasiii

10-07-2007, 11:14 PM

Wsup with all these excuses? he was only 80% of himself in the Solis fight and he was 82% percent himself against Barrera?

So when will we be able to see the 100% pacman?
yep i agree to that...when is the right question...

compukiller

10-07-2007, 11:17 PM

Pac did get tagged way too much, but that's his thing. He won the fight fair and square though.

chimba

10-07-2007, 11:17 PM

if mab was willing to exchange, you would have seen more of pac's lack in defense. sadly, mab didn't want to do that

If PAC didnt engaged he would have won by a wider margin because he was out jabbing Barrera and he was still sneaking 2 or 3 lefts a round.

Again the only reason Pac was getting hit was he was going in trying to make the fight exciting. In the middle of the ring MAB did not connect once but some weak jabs

chimba

10-07-2007, 11:19 PM

Pac did get tagged way too much, but that's his thing. He won the fight fair and square though.

did get tagged too much??? your boy said he couldnt hit him unless its during an exchange. I thought your a real Barrera fan but you disrespect his opinion? Are you a real MAB fan or a PAC hater??

compukiller

10-07-2007, 11:25 PM

did get tagged too much??? your boy said he couldnt hit him unless its during an exchange. I thought your a real Barrera fan but you disrespect his opinion? Are you a real MAB fan or a PAC hater??

Any true boxing fan cannot hate PAC. He always comes to fight, and I could tell he would gladly die in the ring for glory.

But MAB created many, many openings for offensive attacks with his footwork, but could not pull the trigger often enough. Manny needs to correct his lack of balance.

4Rounder

10-07-2007, 11:25 PM

You were shocked by his defense last night???
What a surprise.

He did get tagged too much, and there were many openings in which Barrera failed to act as he was not fast enough or hesitated to much.

Didn't you see that Barrera was trying to stay safe? It was MAB's age that showed more than anything.

PATSYS

10-07-2007, 11:30 PM

I thought he got tagged way too much. DOn;t know what fight you were watching.

Try to compare it with his previous fights and you will notice he didn't get hit half of what he used to.

And everytime MAB hits him, he rolled with the punches. He bobbed more and somehow I can see a little glimpse of Toney-like defensive moves in him.

compukiller

10-07-2007, 11:32 PM

Try to compare it with his previous fights and you will notice he didn't get hit half of what he used to.

And everytime MAB hits him, he rolled with the punches. He bobbed more and somehow I can see a little glimpse of Toney-like defensive moves in him.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

chimba

10-07-2007, 11:34 PM

Any true boxing fan cannot hate PAC. He always comes to fight, and I could tell he would gladly die in the ring for glory.

But MAB created many, many openings for offensive attacks with his footwork, but could not pull the trigger often enough. Manny needs to correct his lack of balance.

Im not hating on MAB. Theres a reason why MAB wasnt pulling the trigger. Why even engage?? Did you watch the fight. Everytime he hit PAC pac came back with two. Even a PAc hater like Stewart was calling this every minute. MAB had a plan A he didnt have any plan beyond that..Hes in there with a stronger, significantly faster fighter. Yeah PAc was open for a split, but he hit him he comes back with three..you saw it. Hes collecting 2 million why take this much risk

I cannot be more honest and MAB cannot be mor honest that when the fight was in neutral a very boring fight. He coudnt hit PAC

compukiller

10-07-2007, 11:43 PM

Im not hating on MAB. Theres a reason why MAB wasnt pulling the trigger. Why even engage?? Did you watch the fight. Everytime he hit PAC pac came back with two. Even a PAc hater like Stewart was calling this every minute. MAB had a plan A he didnt have any plan beyond that..Hes in there with a stronger, significantly faster fighter. Yeah PAc was open for a split, but he hit him he comes back with three..you saw it. Hes collecting 2 million why take this much risk

I cannot be more honest and MAB cannot be mor honest that when the fight was in neutral a very boring fight. He coudnt hit PAC

Truthfully I saw alot of missed punches on both sides, but PAC got out of position WAY too much, and MAB would counter once or twice, but not enough to stop PAC from throwing 8 punches in return.

If Manny is serious about a move to 135, he must correct his balance and defensive issues. His offensive skills will give those guys problems, but he must not take as many punches. If he gets more defensive minded, we may have a new 135lb champ.

chimba

10-07-2007, 11:50 PM

Truthfully I saw alot of missed punches on both sides, but PAC got out of position WAY too much, and MAB would counter once or twice, but not enough to stop PAC from throwing 8 punches in return.

If Manny is serious about a move to 135, he must correct his balance and defensive issues. His offensive skills will give those guys problems, but he must not take as many punches. If he gets more defensive minded, we may have a new 135lb champ.

The balance you wont hear any argument...hes way too clumsy..he runs and lunges with that left..cmon who does that??? This is it for PAC he is a very Unusual for a Filipino fighter...he moves side to side ala mike Tyson but then all of a sudden he's behind Barrera :rofl

his only hope is get that right jab better to keep people a bit honest.

You know what Im being very honest here...I cannot see him as a complete fighter, im deluding myself

Frankly right now...Im more inclined to throw more support for some up and coming flip fighters who he inspired. I think he lost a bit of hunger and now hes in contract for a singing record, two movies, 5 commercials..how the hell he gets up to train for his next fight is beyond me.

thai-hardhitter972

10-08-2007, 12:10 AM

Of course your going to get tagged fighting MAB just look at MAB VS JMM , MAB VS EM , Hell MAB even droped JMM , anyone who plays the role of aggressor will usually eat couple of punches before landing their own against a runner , he may not be slick but he did avoided/blocked alot of MABS shot ...Lets give him some credit.

boxbox

10-08-2007, 12:20 AM

Hey, that was the best MAB can do. He trained hard for this, with all he's got. And when MAB says he wont get KO'd, he wont. Plain and simple. He was fighting not to get knocked out and to last the full 12. What happened was nothing to complain about. That fight was MAB's night. He survived. Pac being hit by MAB is insignificant. Its boxing right?

theHawtness

10-08-2007, 01:44 AM

hooligan

10-08-2007, 01:57 AM

chimba

10-08-2007, 01:59 AM

what defense?

pacs best defense is his offense...mab didnt throw enough cause he was to cautious of pacs offense not by his defense hence pac didnt get tagged that much because mab didnt want to engage...

Dont tell us..Tell that to MAB, hes the one that said it..I just agreed with him. This myth that PAc doesnt have a defense has to stop. Yes when he brawls he leaves himself wide open, but hes very hard to jab and potshot

koko of phil

10-08-2007, 05:18 AM

I didn't notice any extra ordinary defense in Pac but just a cautious fighter against Barrera. I think his defense in his other fight was much better.

theunderdog

10-08-2007, 05:19 AM

La Zorrita would keep pacman at bay with his piston like jab and catch him with sneaky right hands and uppercuts on his way in..

blah blah blah

mad_takamura

10-08-2007, 05:30 AM

I thought he got tagged way too much. DOn;t know what fight you were watching. unbeatable, watch the fight again: he was tagged by mab with clean shots, but the ratio wAS 4-1 actually. if mab tags pac pac would come back with 4 or 3 combinations. mab was sometimes hitting pac in the gloves (watch you tube) that's why pac,at one point, raised his gloves and slammed it: indicating that mab was only hitting pac's gloves. if mab would get a clear hit of pac, that was only when pac was throwing a punch as when pac throws he is open. or when mab jabs pac cause pac's gloves was on the side of his head..or when mab was throwing a hook in pac's sidesection.. no matter what all of you say that pac was one-dimensional, the statment of mab alone proves it all. no hating tonight dick riders..

mad_takamura

10-08-2007, 05:38 AM

La Zorrita would keep pacman at bay with his piston like jab and catch him with sneaky right hands and uppercuts on his way in..indeed pac's weakness is the opponent's jab, i admit it. he got tagged with those but not many times by mab. maybe 2 per round i don't know. he is sometimes open on his leftside when he is throwing his left. pac is prone too to:
a lead right when he is coming straight forward.
a rifgt hook to pac's head then go to pac's left side at close distance.
a flurry of rabbit punch when pac gets his head down.
an overhead right.
right now pac is having problems in finding his range and a good boxer can play a little bit with that weakness. this is evident in his last 2 fights.
but that said pac has improved in his defense and when pac notices this weakness or flaws, the best way for him to do is minimize it.
uppercuts are no use to pac, pac knows when an uppercut is coming mab missed a lot of that in the last fight.
so what do you think black? am i right? :good

theunderdog

10-08-2007, 05:43 AM

actually, i think some pac fans are just trying to come up with something to cheer about when pac came up with a sub-par performance. saying his defense improved a lot is merely patting youselves in the back fellas

Chert

10-08-2007, 05:51 AM

well, mab did say in the post-fight conference that pac had good D and it was hard to penetrate it.

mad_takamura

10-08-2007, 05:52 AM

the statement of mab alone will make pbf fans paranoid..

theunderdog

10-08-2007, 06:08 AM

well, mab did say in the post-fight conference that pac had good D and it was hard to penetrate it.

the question is, did mab REALLY try to penetrate the defense of pac? or was it his excuse for not letting his hands go most of the time?

Raden

10-08-2007, 06:25 AM

All of you shut the fuck up... The only reason why Barrera was not KOed is because he did nothing but running...so Pac's throws always short... not Pac non-aggressiveness..It's Barrera's cowardly....

Raden

10-08-2007, 06:44 AM

Whatever you say, MAB is lost..no more argument...

SweetScience

10-08-2007, 09:02 AM

If PAC didnt engaged he would have won by a wider margin because he was out jabbing Barrera and he was still sneaking 2 or 3 lefts a round.

Again the only reason Pac was getting hit was he was going in trying to make the fight exciting. In the middle of the ring MAB did not connect once but some weak jabs

IMO he did not out jab MAB. We did not even see too much of that right jab of his. He focused more on the right hook during the fight.

digiram

10-08-2007, 10:34 AM

if mab was willing to exchange, you would have seen an early KO. sadly, mab didn't want to do that

Corrected that for you bud.

:good

Chert

10-08-2007, 10:48 AM

IMO he did not out jab MAB. We did not even see too much of that right jab of his. He focused more on the right hook during the fight.
according to the punch stats of the fight, pac did out-jab mab. pac threw more and landed more.

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SweetScience

10-08-2007, 11:05 AM

[quote=Chert]according to the punch stats of the fight, pac did out-jab mab. pac threw more and landed more.

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WTF LOL :lol: I guess he did outjab barrera. HAHA. But didnt see him really use that jab as much if you know what I mean.

Imperial1

10-08-2007, 11:19 AM

Barrera was very close to turning Manny into a one punch fighter ..If he had pulled the trigger everytime Manny missed that left it would have been a diffrent fight ..But repsect to Manny can't take nothing away from him for someone to have soo many distractions he always brings his A game !

SweetScience

10-08-2007, 11:25 AM

Imperial1

10-08-2007, 11:27 AM

And from the 6th round onwards, that's when Manny really started to think

Not so much because Manny just kept coming the prob was Marco couldn't keep him honest ..There was nothing that MAB threw that had Manny second guessing his stragedy .He gave MAB more respect than anything but nothing really stopped Manny in his tracks unless he was off balanced or something..

SweetScience

10-08-2007, 11:57 AM

No so much because Manny just kept coming the prob was Marco couldn't keep him honest ..There was nothing that MAB threw that had Manny second guessing his stragedy .He gave MAB more respect than anything but nothing really stopped Manny in his tracks unless he was off balanced or something..

Yeah, the punches that MAB landed on Manny didnt really hurt him.

chimba

10-08-2007, 01:14 PM

Yeah, the punches that MAB landed on Manny didnt really hurt him.

I saw Manny stunned but he was never really hurt. Anytime you risk leaving yourself open against a puncher in the caliber of MAB, you'll get hurt. I think this was also his thinking, hey I can outjab him and fight like this..shoot why even bother. I was impressed with PACs low gear fighting Saturday

Chert

10-08-2007, 01:23 PM

I saw Manny stunned but he was never really hurt. Anytime you risk leaving yourself open against a puncher in the caliber of MAB, you'll get hurt. I think this was also his thinking, hey I can outjab him and fight like this..shoot why even bother. I was impressed with PACs low gear fighting Saturday

i think it seems worst than it actually is since pac is off-balanced when mab lands a counter. the only time i think pac was actually stunned is when mab threw that illegal punch on the break in the 11th.

Imperial1

10-08-2007, 01:27 PM

I saw Manny stunned but he was never really hurt. Anytime you risk leaving yourself open against a puncher in the caliber of MAB, you'll get hurt. I think this was also his thinking, hey I can outjab him and fight like this..shoot why even bother. I was impressed with PACs low gear fighting Saturday

I did like how Many coverd up and got out of punching range after he threw his left ..

The only thing left reallly to fine tune is his counter punching ..Stewart brought the fact that when Many throws nothing follows ..There were some nice improvments but still some areas that need tweaking ..If you were to rate his performance what u give him ?

chimba

10-08-2007, 01:31 PM

I did like how Many coverd up and got out of punching range after he threw his left ..

The only thing left reallly to fine tune is his counter punching ..Stewart brought the fact that when Many throws nothing follows ..There were some nice improvments but still some areas that need tweaking ..If you were to rate his performance what u give him ?

Manny needs to improve that footwork, if its the only thing he trains for 6 months..he cant be lunging with that left and be at MABS back when hes done:rofl I mean how do you punch and be behind a fighter after??

I mean hes taking this lateral, sidestepping movement to another level..hes so way out balance..I understand he doesnt want to get hit but his head movement and reflexes like you said gives him a good straight up D..no need to end up 5 feet away

chimba

10-08-2007, 01:33 PM

i think it seems worst than it actually is since pac is off-balanced when mab lands a counter. the only time i think pac was actually stunned is when mab threw that illegal punch on the break in the 11th.

I think he was faking that to get MAB DQ'd..:lol: .unless he naturally has a 5 seconds delayed reaction..watch it again its funny:lol:

Chert

10-08-2007, 01:50 PM

well, it could be a delayed reaction with all that adrenaline pumping inside pac. he had mab in very big trouble with his best offensive onslaught of the fight. the break due to that illegal punch may have saved mab from tasting the canvas.

chimba

10-08-2007, 01:52 PM

well, it could be a delayed reaction with all that adrenaline pumping inside pac. he had mab in very big trouble with his best offensive onslaught of the fight. that break due to that illegal punch may have saved mab from tasting the canvas.

That was true had it continued MAB would have gone down...hey MAB is a cerebral fighter theres a reason he punched him after the break, to get one:deal

PolishPummler

10-08-2007, 01:54 PM

It's hard to tell how good his D was when MAB wasnt really throwing anything.

chimba

10-08-2007, 01:57 PM

It's hard to tell how good his D was when MAB wasnt really throwing anything.

Nah it was good, MAb even admitted in the 10th and 11th they thew alot and they missed alot. PAcs got the tools, his problem is his footwork and balance..and of course when he attacks hes willing to take 1 for 2. As far as straight up conservative fighting, hes not easy to hit or jab