Barney Ross - Discussion

[GPater11093]

Just watching through all the footage I have of Ross.

Now I think this guy is absolutely superb, one of the best boxers of all time. His skill set is absolutely fantastic yet everything is kept technically perfect.

Check this out (part 1 of the second Petrolle fight)

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In this fight Ross demonstrates his full repertoire, in fact this is his most balanced performance on film IMO.

His offence is superb; everything is worked off the jab. The jab is not only used as a rangefinder, but to start the combinations by throwing off Petrolle’s balance as well as being used defensively by keeping Petrolle at distance. The combinations set up by the jab are superb; the right hand is throwing straight and almost always followed by a left hook. The only criticism you can attribute these combos is he doesn’t go to the body enough, although he does later on.

As well as his offence his defense is equally as eye catching. He uses his movement expertly to avoid Petrolle’s long hooks before quickly stepping back into range with left hook counters. When in the pocket he keeps his head to one side with his hands high and slips punches. As well as blocking shots.

That is just one performance; I would like to here your guy’s thoughts on it.

Also I would like to get a discussion going on Ross in general.

[techks]

Oh I have this fight on DVD. If you don't have 45 Fantastic Fights of the Century then I highly recommend it.

[GPater11093]

I have it on DVD aswell. Just put it up incase someone dosent have it but wants to see it

[Dempsey1238]

I have a 20 min of this fight, all ten rounds.

I put this as his 2nd best fight on film, I belive the III McLarin fight tops the Petrolle fight. But thats just me, Ross was dealing with a bigger skill Jimmy McLarin, and was able to out box Jimmy to win the welterweight title back.

[GPater11093]

I agree Dempsey that is his best performance, i just think this fight shows off his full skillset and illustrates the point I was making. It was you who sent me the film of this bout anyway.

[Popkins]

GPater: I agree about Ross. I think he is often widely underrated, when it comes to ATG lists and the like. For me, he should be somewhere between 8 and 12. Any lower is unacceptable.

Oh I have this fight on DVD. If you don't have 45 Fantastic Fights of the Century then I highly recommend it.

I have that dvd too, it's fucking ace!!

[techks]

I have that dvd too, it's fucking ace!!
It's great it has a bit of everything for everyone. I dusted it off this morning and will watch a few fights this week.

[My2Sense]

I rank Ross in the top 20, maybe 15 P4P ATGs. What's probably most impressive about his career is that he won the WW title and made several defenses while only natural LW/jr.WW himself. I would've loved to have seen a match between Ross and Benny Leonard to see who was the best Jewish fighter of all time.

[My2Sense]

I put this as his 2nd best fight on film, I belive the III McLarin fight tops the Petrolle fight. But thats just me, Ross was dealing with a bigger skill Jimmy McLarin, and was able to out box Jimmy to win the welterweight title back.

I think I'd rate the Canzoneri rematch as his best performance (on film, at the very least) myself.

[asero]

why did he retired too early?

[My2Sense]

why did he retired too early?

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[bodhi]

I think I'd rate the Canzoneri rematch as his best performance (on film, at the very least) myself.

Well, and it was still close, just shows how great Canzoneri himself was.


Ross was great and I think it´s astonishing that the people of his day didn´t think so but instead thought of him as an average, workman-like fighter. I´d rank him inside my Top10 for sure.

I can remember one guy on here who made a decent case for him beeing number one quite a while back. I think this stretches it a bit but even that a an argument can be made is amazing. :good

[Mr Butt]

why did he retired too early?


after the armstrong fight he said something like for the first 4 rounds he felt good then he i think he said he had nothing in his legs ,he even said to the ref dont stop it this is my last fight i will never fight again if you dont stop it. during the war he ko'd a 200lb samoan warrior with 16oz gloves :cool:

[Mendoza]

Oh I have this fight on DVD. If you don't have 45 Fantastic Fights of the Century then I highly recommend it.

I don't have this one. What fights are 45 fantastic fights of the century?

[turpinr]

yes, ross was a beautiful boxer with a lions heart as shown at guadalcanal as well as his fights in the ring

[techks]

I don't have this one. What fights are 45 fantastic fights of the century?
Too long to list on here but just to name a few:
Johnson/Ketchel
Dempsey/Willard
Dempsey/Firpo
Tunney/Carpentier
Robinson/Bobo
Kid Chocolate/Battalino
Ross/McLarin
Carnera/Loughran
Ross/Petrolles
Canzoneri/Ambers

Check it out someone bought one for me on ***zon.com.(Put ama in stars. Dont know if I'll get banned recommended websites)

[TheGreatA]

I also like his performance in the third fight against Ceferino Garcia, in which both men looked good.

Here are some short clips:

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He fought with a broken left hand.

[GPater11093]

GPater: I agree about Ross. I think he is often widely underrated, when it comes to ATG lists and the like. For me, he should be somewhere between 8 and 12. Any lower is unacceptable.



I have that dvd too, it's fucking ace!!

Yeh, he really is a truly great fighter, I think what marks him down is his consistency on film, you watch a guy like Pacquiao and you see these amazing moments of brilliance he performs that really blows your mind, while Ross dosent have these moments, he is just very good for the full fight and that is what is mindblowing just the consistency he has in a fight, just takes a moment to realise.

I think I'd rate the Canzoneri rematch as his best performance (on film, at the very least) myself.

I actually thought Canzoneri deserved the edge in that fight, thought his better ring generalship and jab carried the day for him in a very close fight.

Well, and it was still close, just shows how great Canzoneri himself was.


Ross was great and I think it´s astonishing that the people of his day didn´t think so but instead thought of him as an average, workman-like fighter. I´d rank him inside my Top10 for sure.

I can remember one guy on here who made a decent case for him beeing number one quite a while back. I think this stretches it a bit but even that a an argument can be made is amazing. :good

I think P4P number 1 is out of his realm but he is definitly one of the best ever.

[Dempsey1238]

I thought the 2nd Canzi fight was pretty one sided, I have highlights of all 15 rounds, that runs about 25 or so mins.

The thing in that fight is Tony relly had no answer for the jab, Ross was putting presser, and making Toney know his place for the first 8 or 9 rounds.

By round 12 Toney started winning rounds in my book, but he was just too far behide by that point, it relly didnt matter.

[GPater11093]

I thought the 2nd Canzi fight was pretty one sided, I have highlights of all 15 rounds, that runs about 25 or so mins.

The thing in that fight is Tony relly had no answer for the jab, Ross was putting presser, and making Toney know his place for the first 8 or 9 rounds.

By round 12 Toney started winning rounds in my book, but he was just too far behide by that point, it relly didnt matter.

I see it completly different I thought Canzoneri was dictating the pace with his jab and being the ring general, he landed the harder blows whereas Ross was more volume.