Another Thing That Bugs Me About Floyd

[surreal deal]

even his fans have to concede this one:
its fine to proclaim yourself as PFP1 in the sport.
its also fine to dismiss dangerous opponents,because they dont bring enough money to the table;after all, youre a businessman.
BUT YOU CANT DO BOTH!YOU CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

you can call yourself pfp1 but youre not obliged to prove it against certain dangerous opponents due to it being a 'bad business decision'?
WTF IS Wrong with this pIcture?:-(
Shane would still be pfp1 with that approach.
Fukn annoys me.

[See Me Flow]

even his fans have to concede this one:
its fine to proclaim yourself as PFP1 in the sport.
its also fine to dismiss dangerous opponents,because they dont bring enough money to the table;after all, youre a businessman.
BUT YOU CANT DO BOTH!YOU CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

Oh, I see. So DLH wasn't a dangerous opponent? :nono

[surreal deal]

Oh, I see. So DLH wasn't a dangerous opponent? :nono
thats NOT my point.oscar was dangerous(putting inactivty and age to one side)but he was fought because he brought the biggest payday and exposure.no other reason
there will be other opponents dismissed because theyre not 'big names'.
thats ok,but shut up about being the best

[surreal deal]

Prepare for the attack from Floyd dick suckers

I am inclined to agree with you though. I find it ridiculous when any champion proclaims that a possible opponent doesnt bring enough money to the table. Fucking bullshit, you fight the best out there.
How the fuck does anyone have the nerve to turn down a fight because they will only make 1 million as opposed to three million. If I was a fighter I would be happy if I could make $100,000 for every title fight. I would go 30-70 split in my opponents favor just to ensure I would fight the best. The old time guys never fucking complained that they didnt make enough money.
:good

[FlatNose]

Floyd is kind of a rerun of the Roy Jones days.Roy even rapped about his glorious skills in bad hip hop tunes.All the while , he also avoided potentially interesting opponents .Thats why when people talk about all time greats , the Roy Jones era is a question mark.No doubt about Billy Conn, Archie Moore, Bob Foster, or Michel Spinks, they pretty much cleaned out their divisions, and when they challenged the heavyweight champ, it was the REAL champ, not some second tier paper champ like Ruiz.Of course to hear Roy tell it, you'd think he beat Jack Dempsey.

[mattress]

Roy may have rapped about his talents and most of us agreed with him but what Mayweather does that pisses everyone off is to ridicule everyone he faces....and doesn't face. He disses great fighters from the past which there really is no need for. The man is a complete prick. He may well wipe the floor with Hatton's ass but Hatton is by far the better man.

[surreal deal]

agreed.

[Marnoff]

De La Hoya and Hatton aren't dangerous? No one has to concede anything.

[Des]

WTF is this topic about man??!!!

Marnoff is absolutely right, De la Hoya was a serious threat, Hatton is a danger for the "0" of Mayweather

And why the bad comment on Roy Jones Jr.:
Have you been world champion in 4 different weight classes??
In the title fights Roy Jones Jr. fought he all fought good fighters, otherwise they would not be a world champion in the first place!

Mayweather Jr. can fight anybody who he wants, ofcourse he picks the one who will bring the largest paycheck.

i'm wrong?

[Ambition_Def]

This was my argument for years man. He seems to be doing the right thing now by fighting Hatton.

It just pissed me off like you don't understand. So many monkeys just jock him and give him the P4P #1 even though he was fighting guys way past their best days.

Hopefully this fight with Hatton will erase all of that.

[Des]

Hopefully this fight with Hatton will erase all of that.

Do you mean you hope that Mayweather will lose?? or do you hope for a good quality fight?

I'm not saying mayweather is the greatest of all time, but he is a excellent fighter with great talent.

[digiram]

None of Floyd's oponnents will ever satisfy the haters b/c Floyd beats the oponnents and the haters love to hate.

[Pimp C]

PBF has one of the best current resumes in the sport.:deal

[Unchained]

thats NOT my point.oscar was dangerous(putting inactivty and age to one side)but he was fought because he brought the biggest payday and exposure.no other reason
there will be other opponents dismissed because theyre not 'big names'.
thats ok,but shut up about being the best

ODLH was not a dangeous opponent for PBF. All the respect to ODLH as a great all time fighter, but stylistically, everyone knew he would not touch Floyd and it would be a rough game of tag. Moselly, Cotto, Marg, are all more dangerous, not to mention Cintron, Clottey, etc.

[MJRJJ23]

The problem with the theory you stated above is that, even if it pleased you that Mayweather fought one of those you listed all the Hatton people would say that (ex. margo) is no threat why dont he fight hatton a real challenge. And this cycle will go on and on. Here's quite a bit of excuses for others to say regardless of who Mayweather fought...... Moselly was old, Margo was nothing but a journeyman, Cotto never beat any big names just beat up on journeymens, Williams one hit wonder that beat up an overrated Margo, Cintron lost to Margo so how is he gonna beat mayweather, Clottey same with Cintron and also lost to Baldo via DQ, and Mayweather ownd Baldo... Anyway you chalk it up somebody's gonna have a problem with who he fights.

[Ambition_Def]

The problem with the theory you stated above is that, even if it pleased you that Mayweather fought one of those you listed all the Hatton people would say that (ex. margo) is no threat why dont he fight hatton a real challenge. And this cycle will go on and on. Here's quite a bit of excuses for others to say regardless of who Mayweather fought...... Moselly was old, Margo was nothing but a journeyman, Cotto never beat any big names just beat up on journeymens, Williams one hit wonder that beat up an overrated Margo, Cintron lost to Margo so how is he gonna beat mayweather, Clottey same with Cintron and also lost to Baldo via DQ, and Mayweather ownd Baldo... Anyway you chalk it up somebody's gonna have a problem with who he fights.

Flawed logic.

Margarito was seen as a possibility because at the time he was the consensus #1 welterweight in the world. This was when Mayweather moved to welter.

DLH was not the best jr.middle. Judah was not the consensus #1 welter when Floyd got him and Castillo was arguably, one of the top guys at lightweight but not THE top guy.

Bascially this whole argument is over Mayweather being P4P #1 without having faced a top dog in any of those divisions for years, let alone clean them out. Had he faced Margarito, Johnston, and possibly Harris way back when there would be no arguments today.

His fight with Hatton will finally break that cycle. Hatton being the top dog at jr.welter.

[MJRJJ23]

Flawed logic.

Margarito was seen as a possibility because at the time he was the consensus #1 welterweight in the world. This was when Mayweather moved to welter.

DLH was not the best jr.middle. Judah was not the consensus #1 welter when Floyd got him and Castillo was arguably, one of the top guys at lightweight but not THE top guy.

Bascially this whole argument is over Mayweather being P4P #1 without having faced a top dog in any of those divisions for years, let alone clean them out. Had he faced Margarito, Johnston, and possibly Harris way back when there would be no arguments today.

His fight with Hatton will finally break that cycle. Hatton being the top dog at jr.welter.

I see your point..although it all depends on how you look at it. Although personally i think wins over DLH, Judah, and Baldo are better than wins vs Margo, Johnston and Vivian. Also according to rankings those guys where the top dogs. We might not agree but its the way its (BS rankings) but Baldo was ranked #1 (I believe) Gatti was champion and Hoya was ranked 1 or 2 at 154 which Mayweather took a chance and moved up weight to fight. Also Judah was believed to be a tough test for Mayweather due to style and the speed to match Mayweather. Now personally to i think a win over Margo would be better than a win over Baldo and Gatti, sure I do. I completely understand your logic what I was trying to say is that say if Mayweather chose to fight Cotto instead of Hatton all the Hatton people would be screaming that Mayweather dodged him to fight an unproven Cotto. Same is all the others, If he fought Margo all the Cotto people would be saying that Mayweather chose an over hyped journeyman (which I believe Margo is a little overhyped)

[surreal deal]

no,all you apologists, the issue is his modus operandi.he doesnt feel he has to defend his self acclaimed pfp1 status,unless its' box office.
He blatantly states he wont fight people unless its a moneyspinner.fine,but you cant legitimately call yourself numero uno either.its a conflict.
If,worthy, dangerous challengers are avoided based on this criteria,hell he'll be 'pfp1' until he's 40,but it doesnt wash with me.

[Stezzie]

Prepare for the attack from Floyd dick suckers

I am inclined to agree with you though. I find it ridiculous when any champion proclaims that a possible opponent doesnt bring enough money to the table. Fucking bullshit, you fight the best out there.
How the fuck does anyone have the nerve to turn down a fight because they will only make 1 million as opposed to three million. If I was a fighter I would be happy if I could make $100,000 for every title fight. I would go 30-70 split in my opponents favor just to ensure I would fight the best. The old time guys never fucking complained that they didnt make enough money.

That's you probably don't make much money...so therefore you whole concept is based on that fact. If you were a professional that made more than a 100k then you would have a greater understanding of money and the risk you take for money that really is worth different amounts to different people.

So you have to also realize when your logic is based on having "less than" verse another individual who is using logic from the perspective of a successful individual...

[BigReg]

Flawed logic.

Margarito was seen as a possibility because at the time he was the consensus #1 welterweight in the world. This was when Mayweather moved to welter.

DLH was not the best jr.middle. Judah was not the consensus #1 welter when Floyd got him and Castillo was arguably, one of the top guys at lightweight but not THE top guy.

Bascially this whole argument is over Mayweather being P4P #1 without having faced a top dog in any of those divisions for years, let alone clean them out. Had he faced Margarito, Johnston, and possibly Harris way back when there would be no arguments today.

His fight with Hatton will finally break that cycle. Hatton being the top dog at jr.welter.

Margarito was never the number 1 WW. When Floyd had a preliminary agreement to fight Zab, Zab was the undisputed WW champ. Unfortunately, Zab was beat by Baldomir which was supposed to be a tuneup fight. Floyd went on to beat both of them, and became the top guy. If Castillo wasn't THE top guy at 135, then who was? Who was THE top guy at 154 if not DLH?

[MJRJJ23]

no,all you apologists, the issue is his modus operandi.he doesnt feel he has to defend his self acclaimed pfp1 status,unless its' box office.
He blatantly states he wont fight people unless its a moneyspinner.fine,but you cant legitimately call yourself numero uno either.its a conflict.
If,worthy, dangerous challengers are avoided based on this criteria,hell he'll be 'pfp1' until he's 40,but it doesnt wash with me.


I have no problem with your opinion dude... to each his own. I'm not a Mayweather apologists. everyone has there own opinion on this issue though. I want to see Mayweather fight the best also. Though I have no problem with his last couple fights, with Oscar, Judah, and Baldo and now Hatton, to me thats 4 dangerous fights in a row with maybe the exception of Baldo. Alot of people where saying ODLH was to big for Floyd, and people where also saying Judah was a dangerious fight because of speed etc. It all depends on who you see as a danger to Floyd, I feel Cotto is Floyds biggest threat then Mosley. If Floyd choses not to fight the winner of these 2 (providing Floyd wins) then i'll be VERY dissapointed :thumbsup

[Thread Stealer]

Prepare for the attack from Floyd dick suckers

I am inclined to agree with you though. I find it ridiculous when any champion proclaims that a possible opponent doesnt bring enough money to the table. Fucking bullshit, you fight the best out there.
How the fuck does anyone have the nerve to turn down a fight because they will only make 1 million as opposed to three million. If I was a fighter I would be happy if I could make $100,000 for every title fight. I would go 30-70 split in my opponents favor just to ensure I would fight the best. The old time guys never fucking complained that they didnt make enough money.

Ever hear of Sugar Ray Robinson?

Fighters have always cared about making money. It's only natural. Why else would old time heavyweight champs be so inactive in defending their titles, but take part frequently in exhibition matches? Why were quality black fighters avoided by the champs?

Money.

[Ambition_Def]

Margarito was never the number 1 WW. When Floyd had a preliminary agreement to fight Zab, Zab was the undisputed WW champ. Unfortunately, Zab was beat by Baldomir which was supposed to be a tuneup fight. Floyd went on to beat both of them, and became the top guy. If Castillo wasn't THE top guy at 135, then who was? Who was THE top guy at 154 if not DLH?

I don't plan on spending much time with this, because facts have already been presented over the last few months.

Nobody at 135 was the top guy. Castillo, Johnston and Mayweather all had rights to say who was the best 135lber. Castillo had a victory and a draw with Johnston, where Mayweather had 2 wins over Castillo. Johnston and Mayweather never met. A guy who calls himself the best 135lber ever would have to have fought Johnston under those circumstances, without leaving any doubts.

Gatti was also not the best 140lber in the world. Several names including Ricky Hatton, Miguel Cotto, and Vivian Harris were more proven. Harris of course was upset by Maussa, but prior to that Mayweather wanted nothing to do with him. Deals and rumors flew about Mayweather vs Hatton and Mayweather vs Cotto. Whatever happened there, he didn't face them either.

Margarito was the number one welterweight after Zab Judah dropped his rank to 13-1 underdog Carlos Baldomir. This does not make Baldomir more accomplished than Margarito. One fight does not make a top dog. By that end anyone ranking Baldomir as the top dog at welter post-Judah is ridiculous. There are 4 titles campaigned at welter no different than heavyweight. 3 titles were unified under Cory Spinks, and that is where some of us disagree on the title undisputed, and unified. Hopkins was undisputed in my opinion, but Spinks was only unified. He didn't control the major 4 basically. Some call him undisputed, but I don't. It's a matter of opinion in that light.

Lastly, DLH controlled only one title which was one in the same fashion Sergei Dzinzurik won his. As well as Roman Karmazin and Jose Rivera. DLH was not any better or worse off than those guys. Yet somehow, mystically the full time promoter gets the #1 position.

[Thread Stealer]

Oscar had won 1 fight since 2004 at 154 lbs, and that was against Ricardo Mayorga.

Of course he wasn't the top guy @ 154.

[Club Fighter]

None of Floyd's oponnents will ever satisfy the haters b/c Floyd beats the oponnents and the haters love to hate.
Pretty much.

Hitman Hatton's (who everyone happens to love) resume (who, btw, is only one year younger than Mayweather and actually has more professional fights) after beating Kostya Tszyu reads:

Carlos Maussa - PBF would have gotten crucified for fighting this guy, belt or no belt

Luis Collazzo - PBF would have gotten crucified for even mentioning this guy, let alone fighting him.

Juan Urango - After accepting to fight this guy, PBF's p4p status and love for the sport would go into question.

Jose Luis Castillo - If PBF fought him (again) and lost, everybody woulda screamed, "EXPOSED!" If he woulda fought him and won, everybody woulda said PBF's fighting guys who are over the hill.

It's always a no win situation for PBF until he fights God in a fifteen rounder, bare-knuckles, no holds barred. No exceptions. Anything short of that is unacceptable and it shows him to be the money-grubbing whore that he is. Unfuckin'believable. Grow up, cocksuckers. Don't hate the man for being good. The naysayers will continue to naysay, but he's still P4P #1.

[MJRJJ23]

I don't plan on spending much time with this, because facts have already been presented over the last few months.

Nobody at 135 was the top guy. Castillo, Johnston and Mayweather all had rights to say who was the best 135lber. Castillo had a victory and a draw with Johnston, where Mayweather had 2 wins over Castillo. Johnston and Mayweather never met. A guy who calls himself the best 135lber ever would have to have fought Johnston under those circumstances, without leaving any doubts.

Gatti was also not the best 140lber in the world. Several names including Ricky Hatton, Miguel Cotto, and Vivian Harris were more proven. Harris of course was upset by Maussa, but prior to that Mayweather wanted nothing to do with him. Deals and rumors flew about Mayweather vs Hatton and Mayweather vs Cotto. Whatever happened there, he didn't face them either.

Margarito was the number one welterweight after Zab Judah dropped his rank to 13-1 underdog Carlos Baldomir. This does not make Baldomir more accomplished than Margarito. One fight does not make a top dog. By that end anyone ranking Baldomir as the top dog at welter post-Judah is ridiculous. There are 4 titles campaigned at welter no different than heavyweight. 3 titles were unified under Cory Spinks, and that is where some of us disagree on the title undisputed, and unified. Hopkins was undisputed in my opinion, but Spinks was only unified. He didn't control the major 4 basically. Some call him undisputed, but I don't. It's a matter of opinion in that light.

Lastly, DLH controlled only one title which was one in the same fashion Sergei Dzinzurik won his. As well as Roman Karmazin and Jose Rivera. DLH was not any better or worse off than those guys. Yet somehow, mystically the full time promoter gets the #1 position.


Wouldn't Castillo beating Johnston put Castillo as the guy that Mayweather should beat. What would it prove for Mayweather to beat Johnston that lost to Castillo.. Also at the time the Cotto vs Mayweather rumors started coming up when Mayweather fought Gatti, Gatti was more proven tha Cotto. Cotto just now got up to the top level with his beat down of Judah. At that time Cotto and Mayweather would have been considered a huge mismatch. I'm glad they didnt fight then cause now that Cotto is a big name it just creates bigger fights. Hatton is the one that did not want to fight Mayweather dude not the other way around, thats a pretty well known fact. Also its been "said" that Cotto's trainer or father didnt think Cotto was ready for Mayweather, I believe I heard the analysits talk about it during the Mayweather- Gatti fight. I agree with the Margo situation, I would have liked Mayweather to fight Margo instead of Baldo...

The problem with the ODLH thing is, say Floyd fought Karmazin then people would say he should've fought ODH, so on and so on, and dont worry Mayweather is still in his prime so he has tons of oppurtunities to fight everybody.

[mattress]

I loathe the slimy bastard but cannot deny that FMJ has exceptional skills and is a great boxer, without any doubt. As I said before, it's his stinking attitude that put's people off and it ain't put on for the cameras.

Could you imagine how big (popularity) this guy would be if he was a decent bloke and said the right things. The reason why people like Hatton and Pavlik have such dedicated followers (and pick up new fans all the time) is because of the way they carry themselves. They possess the most fundamental and also desired of all human qualities...respect. That's why they get so much in return.

[surreal deal]

I have no problem with your opinion dude... to each his own. I'm not a Mayweather apologists. everyone has there own opinion on this issue though. I want to see Mayweather fight the best also. Though I have no problem with his last couple fights, with Oscar, Judah, and Baldo and now Hatton, to me thats 4 dangerous fights in a row with maybe the exception of Baldo. Alot of people where saying ODLH was to big for Floyd, and people where also saying Judah was a dangerious fight because of speed etc. It all depends on who you see as a danger to Floyd, I feel Cotto is Floyds biggest threat then Mosley. If Floyd choses not to fight the winner of these 2 (providing Floyd wins) then i'll be VERY dissapointed :thumbsup
im not saying floyd doesnt fight good competition,just that he rules out other top drawer opponents for financial reasons.ruling out certain top fighters who can also challenge his pfp status and title, greatly compromises his exalted position.they dont fit together;'im the best,but i dont have to give a guy with a good chance of pushing me a fight because its inconvenient.