mayweather mosley face off

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[Lee Mc]

I love the way they're trying to make this fight look competitive.

Some people are in for a BIG shock if they think Mosley has any chance.

[avidlemon]

but i DO

[Flea Man]

Floyds feet make this a totally uncompetitive match.

That and the fact that Mosley is very good rather than great.

[KingCobra]

This is a fight I'm excited about.

[avidlemon]

all i will say is it will be a lot closer than people think

[Lee Mc]

but i DO

He's got no chance :deal

He'll either be pulled out to save him from taking a worse beating or will lose every, or almost every, round.

[Flea Man]

Can't see him getting pulled out.

Fact is, Shane doen't have the intangibles to beat Floyd. That's exactly why Floyd has taken the fight. We know he doesn't fight people who have the attributes to beat him.

[avidlemon]

He's got no chance :deal

He'll either be pulled out to save him from taking a worse beating or will lose every, or almost every, round.

at least this time, shane is a far more legit opponent than JMM was ever going to be

[Mazallan]

I do not think Mayweather will try at all to impress anjd he will take a clear UD in a boring fight.

[Flea Man]

at least this time, shane is a far more legit opponent than JMM was ever going to be

Still, not one to confirm Floyds apparently impenetrable skillset is it?

[avidlemon]

Still, not one to confirm Floyds apparently impenetrable skillset is it?

I think it depends on what shane turns up tbh. But really the only guy right now who is going to do that is manny. I still have slight doubts as to whether that will defo go ahead or not. what do you reckon?

[Flea Man]

Manny vs Floyd will never happen IMO.

Paul Williams for Floyd to really prove his 'greatness' :deal

[kosaros]

He's got no chance :deal

He'll either be pulled out to save him from taking a worse beating or will lose every, or almost every, round.

I will eat my hat if he gets pulled out, stopped, knocked out etc.

I'm guessing it will be something like a 116-112 scorecard to Mayweather. Mosley will have some success.

[diggler]

think its closer tham people think but think flyod wins close on points

[avidlemon]

Manny vs Floyd will never happen IMO.

Paul Williams for Floyd to really prove his 'greatness' :deal

would love williams to get in the same ring as floyd.

[diggler]

id love to see pacman v williams

[ScouseLad]

Can't see him getting pulled out.

Fact is, Shane doen't have the intangibles to beat Floyd. That's exactly why Floyd has taken the fight. We know he doesn't fight people who have the attributes to beat him.

You're absolutely relentless!

[Flea Man]

You're absolutely relentless!

I'm a realist:lol::good

[Flea Man]

would love williams to get in the same ring as floyd.

Same here. If Floyd could win a UD it would show how good he is.

If Williams wins.....well, it would be a pasting.

[avidlemon]

i think i would be looking forward to that fight more than manny v floyd tbh

[threethirteen]

If you dismiss Shane's chances, you're going to get a shock.

[Flea Man]

If you dismiss Shane's chances, you're going to get a shock.

I fuckin hope so.

[icemax]

I don't believe in giving drugs cheats a second chance, SS shouldn't be in the same ring as PBF

[Flea Man]

Doesn't Floyd use a substance banned in many states for his hands?

[icemax]

Doesn't Floyd use a substance banned in many states for his hands?

Banned in many states, but not banned by the boxing organisations...you can't compare a hand ointment to out and out perfomance enhancing drugs cheating...Floyd hasn't been dragged in front of a grand jury for what he does

[Addie]

Doesn't Floyd use a substance banned in many states for his hands?

Smarten up, Fleaman. :verysad

[Flea Man]

I'm only winding Icemax up Addie :lol:

P.S your avi from earlier on today=Much better :deal

[Addie]

I'm only winding Icemax up Addie :lol:

P.S your avi from earlier on today=Much better :deal

This one? I have made over a 100 now. :lol:

[Flea Man]

No the one that was kinda' sombre and sepia toned.

[Hooch]

Prime Mosley beats the piss out of Floyd. FACT

Floyd will run in this and take it by about 3 rounds

[Tony Bellew]

Mayweather is the truth.. The greatest fighter I've ever seen...:good

There's nothing this guy can't do..;)

[wrimc]

I think floyd will win but would love for mosley to give him a scare ot two and a few problems and expose a weakness. it would make the build up to Manny even more insane

[Hooch]

Mayweather is the truth.. The greatest fighter I've ever seen...:good

There's nothing this guy can't do..;)

He cant last in a hard sparring session with you Tony, oh how I would love to see you smash that right hand through his shoulder roll - breaking both his shoulder and chin at the same time. Fook weight divisions.

Seriously he is a great fighter but he aint Mr Boxing like he thinks he is and is imo screwing the sport up with his bullshit ways.

[Little Tyson]

To much respect in the face-off laughing at each other. Hopefully it aint a boring affair come May 1st.

[Hooch]

To much respect in the face-off laughing at each other. Hopefully it aint a boring affair come May 1st.

Its clear they get on, they prob have a lot in common and will be pals after the fight i'm sure. Like you say hope it dont affect the fight as Shane needs to be all snarly teeth come May.

[Flea Man]

Mayweather is the truth.. The greatest fighter I've ever seen...:good

There's nothing this guy can't do..;)

Kid Gavilan takes a shit on his head, wipes it clean, then shits all over him again.

In a strictly puglistic sense of course.............

[HitmanHatton]

Kid Gavilan takes a shit on his head, wipes it clean, then shits all over him again.

In a strictly puglistic sense of course.............

Fleaman, can I ask how old you are please because the way you go on about fighters from '' back in the day '', you sound about 90.

[Flea Man]

Fleaman, can I ask how old you are please because the way you go on about fighters from '' back in the day '', you sound about 90.

Age? 21.

And seeing as there is ample footage of Gavilan looking 3x as impressive as Floyd, and the fact he fought MUCH better fighters (not debatable) I doubt anyone who has watched The Cuban Hawk will disagree. :good

[Tony Bellew]

Gavalain was special, I just feel with time sport evolves.. I am a firm believer that the best footballer 50 years ago would not be the best now and it's the same with boxing.. I think Mayweather has just took the sport to a new level as Usuain Bolt has done in athletics.. With time you find progress and also the science of the sport is now looked up on.. I also work with a strength & conditioning coach and 5 years ago I would have laughed at the sound of working with one..

The things that are aviliable today make fighters better it's that simple, The fighters from yester year didn't have these things at there disposal. We are lucky to know and now have these things there for us to make us better athletes.. This is why I feel that the best Mayweather is the G.O.A.T well that is my opinion although as you can all see I do get wrong more times than I get it right:yep:good:yep

[Flea Man]

Gavalain was special, I just feel with time sport evolves.. I am a firm believer that the best footballer 50 years ago would not be the best now and it's the same with boxing.. I think Mayweather has just took the sport to a new level as Usuain Bolt has done in athletics.. With time you find progress and also the science of the sport is now looked up on.. I also work with a strength & conditioning coach and 5 years ago I would have laughed at the sound of working with one..

The things that are aviliable today make fighters better it's that simple, The fighters from yester year didn't have these things at there disposal. We are lucky to know and now have these things there for us to make us better athletes.. This is why I feel that the best Mayweather is the G.O.A.T well that is my opinion although as you can all see I do get wrong more times than I get it right:yep:good:yep

I respect your opinion big time Tony, you're the chap getting in there and taking/throwing shots :good

But if gavilan from the 40's/50's fought the Floyd of today I have no doubt Gavilan would batter him. You only have to watch him to know his style is timeless:good

Even as near as Leonard, Benitez, Duran and Sweet Pea; all more accomplished and more skilled than Floyd IMO. I just don't get the respect he gets.

I would add that the numerous useless titles and more weight classes than ever make fighters appear to be better than they are.

[rhinocoote]

Can't see him getting pulled out.

Fact is, Shane doen't have the intangibles to beat Floyd. That's exactly why Floyd has taken the fight. We know he doesn't fight people who have the attributes to beat him.

hear,hear-the last sentence is the most honest i've heard about floyd recently.

floyds annual itinery:

retire
wait for the good-uns to have a couple of hard fights
fight the easiest/oldest
retire

i know many will say "surely that makes sense?"
but,come on ..........

[Flea Man]

Well, it's only my opinion after all, but his legacy is hardly worth the praise he gets. His apparent 'impenetrable defence' would not look as good if he'd actually faced some quality offensive fighters.

Good opposition, but no one to warrant the amount of kudos he gets, no questions asked.

[pne buz]

Ive got a sneaking feeling for Mosley.Easy too say Margarito wasnt this and that but Mosley put on a boxing masterclass that night and a similar display gives him a good chance against Mayweather.

[LP_1985]

Gavalain was special, I just feel with time sport evolves.. I am a firm believer that the best footballer 50 years ago would not be the best now and it's the same with boxing.. I think Mayweather has just took the sport to a new level as Usuain Bolt has done in athletics.. With time you find progress and also the science of the sport is now looked up on.. I also work with a strength & conditioning coach and 5 years ago I would have laughed at the sound of working with one..

The things that are aviliable today make fighters better it's that simple, The fighters from yester year didn't have these things at there disposal. We are lucky to know and now have these things there for us to make us better athletes.. This is why I feel that the best Mayweather is the G.O.A.T well that is my opinion although as you can all see I do get wrong more times than I get it right:yep:good:yep

greatest ever football player: Zidane
Greatest ever boxer: Marco Barrera:thumbsup

[Flea Man]

I won't argue with Zidane, though the best player I've ever seen is Matt Le Tiss.

Barrera, as great as he is, is 64 places off being the greatest boxer ever. In terms of fighters we have footage of, Armstrong is the best IMO. Although I'd have Greb head and shoulders above anyone in terms of quality opponents faced/beaten, his resume is preposterous.

[Guy]

Shane isn't getting a beating, more like a peppering from afar ...

[Flea Man]

Ive got a sneaking feeling for Mosley.Easy too say Margarito wasnt this and that but Mosley put on a boxing masterclass that night and a similar display gives him a good chance against Mayweather.

Ever heard the adage 'styles make fights'? Never has it been more appropriate than for the comparison above.

Shane does not have the feet to pressure Floyd enough to win enough rounds. I'll be rooting for Shane, who is one of my favourite active fighters, but at this stage of his career he's made for Floyd in my opinion.

[s23041983]

all i will say is it will be a lot closer than people think
cant see it to be honest mate. i smell another oscar vs floyd stinker... but im always entertained by floyd so i know IM gonna enjoy it :hey

[s23041983]

has anyone on here studied 'Sun Tzu: Art of War'? if you have then you will know why floyd will win :deal

[s23041983]

greatest ever football player: Zidane
Greatest ever boxer: Marco Barrera:thumbsup
Greatest ever footballer: Maradonna
Greatest ever boxer: Audley Harrisson :rofl

[LP_1985]

Ever heard the adage 'styles make fights'? Never has it been more appropriate than for the comparison above.

Shane does not have the feet to pressure Floyd enough to win enough rounds. I'll be rooting for Shane, who is one of my favourite active fighters, but at this stage of his career he's made for Floyd in my opinion.

dont know much bout old fighters but why barrera so low.

he cud box, brawl. has a great resume

[brown_bomber]

Greatest ever footballer: Maradonna
Greatest ever boxer: Audley Harrisson :rofl

:twisted: show respect audler harrisons WBF heavyweight champion :good

[Flea Man]

dont know much bout old fighters but why barrera so low.

he cud box, brawl. has a great resume

65 is quite high actually.

There are fighters out there that have even more mind blowing resumes, and that are absolutely sickening to watch!!! I love Barrera, his resume is very good and his skillset, which took on different forms a his career progressed, was intimidating.

But my top 50 is packed full of fighters that, on paper and film, did more, showed more. But as I say, I'm really not slagging him off. My process was tortorous, Barreras placing is very high praise indeed from me mate :good

[LP_1985]

65 is quite high actually.

There are fighters out there that have even more mind blowing resumes, and that are absolutely sickening to watch!!! I love Barrera, his resume is very good and his skillset, which took on different forms a his career progressed, was intimidating.

But my top 50 is packed full of fighters that, on paper and film, did more, showed more. But as I say, I'm really not slagging him off. My process was tortorous, Barreras placing is very high praise indeed from me mate :good

fair point mate. ur list must have sent ur head screwing at times:hey:good

[Flea Man]

Still does, I'm nowhere near happy with it, and as I learn new things all the time/realise I was wrong before, things change on a daily basis.

Hard to do, but not unachievable. All pretty pointless in the end though, unless someone says 'ok smart arse let's see your list!' upon which I can go, 'here you are, feel free to ask questions' :rofl

[LP_1985]

Still does, I'm nowhere near happy with it, and as I learn new things all the time/realise I was wrong before, things change on a daily basis.

Hard to do, but not unachievable. All pretty pointless in the end though, unless someone says 'ok smart arse let's see your list!' upon which I can go, 'here you are, feel free to ask questions' :rofl

:lol:id never to be able to do 1. not being cocky just interested who'sn ur top 20:good

[LP_1985]

dont have to give reasons if u dont want to. just a list will do

[Flea Man]

Will do, will have to copy and paste it: am on iPhone at the mo. I will PM you my top 50 tomorrow morning mate, any questions about it, from individual placings to 'who?', feel free :good

[LP_1985]

Will do, will have to copy and paste it: am on iPhone at the mo. I will PM you my top 50 tomorrow morning mate, any questions about it, from individual placings to 'who?', feel free :good

sound mate. nice 1 for that:thumbsup

[Primadonna Kool]

Same here. If Floyd could win a UD it would show how good he is.

If Williams wins.....well, it would be a pasting.

Should Pacman face Paul Williams, or are there some special rules for Pacman...?

[Flea Man]

Well, Paul Williams is rangy and throws a lot of punches. I think it would be difficult for Floyd to win rounds at Williams pace, and defend against all the punches. Besides, you've taken it out out of context: I was putting forth an opponent that Floyd can gain a higher ranking by beating if a Pacman fight doesn't happen. Lad.

Pac is a southpaw, and Williams has had a close fight last time out against a southpaw, and lost his only fight to a southpaw (brutally avenged of course) so I guess Roach could build a gameplan using that. I wouldn't favour Pac to beat Williams though, he's an oddity. Great fight though. Lad.

[Primadonna Kool]

Gavalain was special, I just feel with time sport evolves.. I am a firm believer that the best footballer 50 years ago would not be the best now and it's the same with boxing.. I think Mayweather has just took the sport to a new level as Usuain Bolt has done in athletics.. With time you find progress and also the science of the sport is now looked up on.. I also work with a strength & conditioning coach and 5 years ago I would have laughed at the sound of working with one..

The things that are aviliable today make fighters better it's that simple, The fighters from yester year didn't have these things at there disposal. We are lucky to know and now have these things there for us to make us better athletes.. This is why I feel that the best Mayweather is the G.O.A.T well that is my opinion although as you can all see I do get wrong more times than I get it right:yep:good:yep



Are you fucking for real..?


Can Floyd Mayweather throw combinations like "Roy Jones Junior, or Sugar Ray Leonard"..?


Technically inside of the ring, Floyd Mayweather has not taken boxing to a whole new level. Guys like Roy Jones Junior, Sugar Ray Leonard, Muhammad Ali did just that. From a pure athletic and technical point of view.


Usain Bolt has reshaped and redefined sprinting, just like Maurice Greene/Ato Boldon did before him. Bolt is making all the top coaches and sport doctors and what not.......rethink what they thought was possible.


Pound for Pound Floyd Mayweather has not taken the sport to a whole new level, he is just simply the best around today.

"Roy Jones" was doing things inside of the ring, that no one had ever seen before. I remember commentators saying..."Thats a combination that i have never seen before"........"Unheard of".......just afew of the quotes.


Floyd Mayweather is just simply the best boxer, of his era....so far.

[Primadonna Kool]

Well, Paul Williams is rangy and throws a lot of punches. I think it would be difficult for Floyd to win rounds at Williams pace, and defend against all the punches. Besides, you've taken it out out of context: I was putting forth an opponent that Floyd can gain a higher ranking by beating if a Pacman fight doesn't happen. Lad.

Pac is a southpaw, and Williams has had a close fight last time out against a southpaw, and lost his only fight to a southpaw (brutally avenged of course) so I guess Roach could build a gameplan using that. I wouldn't favour Pac to beat Williams though, he's an oddity. Great fight though. Lad.

Why does Floyd Mayweather have to face Paul Williams...to prove his greatness.....?

[Flea Man]

I also think that boxing is not comparable to other sports for evolution.

In conditioning? Yes. But we have SEeN older fighters do 15 hellish rounds, have SEEN them do miraculous things, SEEnlN them fight other great fighter, with same day weight Ins, ONE world title and know that, unlike football boots, skills, training methods may have refined, when you've got two guys punching each other it doesn't really matter when you fought. Bone density hasn't improved in 50 years or whatnot, advancements in training would not make a modern fighter harder for a fighter from a byegone era to compete against, just helps the modern fighter make the 15 rounds they SHOULD be fighting.

With te amount of titles nowadays and the big fights not always beig made, I think boxing had regressed a bit. Fighters don't need to prove their greatness asucj, they can grab baubles in a few weight divisions and proclaim themselves a 'two weight world champ'.

Oppositions is more important, and by fighting many more fights against Elite level opposition, the likes of Gavilan, Ike Williams, Jose Napoles, Luis Rodriguez, Alexis Arguello, I could go on and on but they piss all over Mayweathers resume, which is good rather than amazing, and who doesn't have any more technical skill than any of the aforementioned fighters, just a different style. Is he any more impressive defensively than Locche? Benitez? Sweet Pea? Zapata?!? Not IMO.

He gets a free pass, for what reason I still cannot figure out.

[Primadonna Kool]

Ever heard the adage 'styles make fights'? Never has it been more appropriate than for the comparison above.

Shane does not have the feet to pressure Floyd enough to win enough rounds. I'll be rooting for Shane, who is one of my favourite active fighters, but at this stage of his career he's made for Floyd in my opinion.

Castillo was hardly Michael Jackson, when he faced Floyd Mayweather....

Did'nt he pressure Floyd Mayweather..? yes he did.

We are talking about Shane Mosley right..? or is there a "brick wall "named after Shane Mosley..?

[Flea Man]

Kool, read back and you will see how I came onto that. You don't need me to explain just look back a few pages.

It was a tiny tidbit of a discussion, and doesn't warrant discussing. Just musing on who Floyd could face to improve his resume IF he doesn't face Pac.

[Addie]

Revenge Of The Nerds is on now guys. Trying to figure out which character looks more like Fleaman.

[Flea Man]

Kool, your posts are like surrealist poetry.

I'm far too stoned, and ts far too late for ke to discuss with you something that isn't interesting or noteworthy enough to discuss.

I write in plain English; if you can't decipher my prose, that's your problem not mine. Lad.

[Flea Man]

Revenge Of The Nerds is on now guys. Trying to figure out which character looks more like Fleaman.

I'll watch The Toxic Avenger over that.

That's the avi I was on about :good

and nerds don't have granite chins :deal

[Primadonna Kool]

Kool, your posts are like surrealist poetry.

I'm far too stoned, and ts far too late for ke to discuss with you something that isn't interesting or noteworthy enough to discuss.

I write in plain English; if you can't decipher my prose, that's your problem not mine. Lad.

Your saying Shane Mosley, does not have the feet to pressure Floyd Mayweather.

Castillo was nothing special in the mobility department, never was...never has been.

Technique and ring smarts, cutting off the ring etc....can make things allot easier for a fighter.

Shane Mosley is not slow by any means, on his feet...he still has decent agility and speed.

[Addie]

I'll watch The Toxic Avenger over that.

That's the avi I was on about :good

and nerds don't have granite chins :deal

I'm madly in love with Winona Ryder.

[Flea Man]

Floyd-post Castillo moves a lot more. Look at how cautious he boxed against web Marquez.

His workrate has gone down, he'll use excessive movement and pit shorting in this one.

Te feet refers to movement and angles: stand anywhere other than in front of Shane and you're posing him problems.

It's crazy you make a comment on a fighter and you're a borderline hater. I'm a big Mosley fan, I'm just stating fact: Mosley does not have the movement down to effectively pressurise the overtly negative Floyd I assume will turn up, and the inactivity will do him more harm than Floyd I reckon.

Again, of je wins, a good win for Floyd, but not one that catapults him into the elite level of ATG's IMO. His resume is still sparse with Mosley on it.

[Addie]

Floyd-post Castillo moves a lot more. Look at how cautious he boxed against web Marquez.

His workrate has gone down, he'll use excessive movement and pit shorting in this one.

Te feet refers to movement and angles: stand anywhere other than in front of Shane and you're posing him problems.

It's crazy you make a comment on a fighter and you're a borderline hater. I'm a big Mosley fan, I'm just stating fact: Mosley does not have the movement down to effectively pressurise the overtly negative Floyd I assume will turn up, and the inactivity will do him more harm than Floyd I reckon.

Again, of je wins, a good win for Floyd, but not one that catapults him into the elite level of ATG's IMO. His resume is still sparse with Mosley on it.

i think Floyd would humiliate Manny Pacquiao for most part.

[Flea Man]

I'm madly in love with Winona Ryder.

Youll get over it as, sorry to break it to you, but she's unattainable. Unless you were in an 80s movie, then you coudl go back in time, or make her in a machine, or just be a cool cad and chat her up.

But for now, the avatars should suffice. Hopefully :lol:

[Flea Man]

i think Floyd would humiliate Manny Pacquiao for most part.

Nope.

[Addie]

Nope.

I don't wanna hear about Manny's socks when it happens, Fleaman.

[Flea Man]

Hey, don't be lumping me in with the Pactards, you know I dont allow bias to figure in my stylistic analysis'.

Anyway I'm off to bed, all this hatred makes me tired......

[Addie]

Hey, don't be lumping me in with the Pactards, you know I dont allow bias to figure in my stylistic analysis'.

Anyway I'm off to bed, all this hatred makes me tired......

No hatred on my part, I just think Mayweather is Manny's worst nightmare stylistically.

[Flea Man]

I think the same, but in reverse. And you can't say that's not arguable, what with Mannys attributes.

[Dunky McCafferty]

what a great show Face off is, you young boxing fans dont know how good you got it nowadays.

As for my fight prediction? Im keeping that one for the inevitable 'Floyd v Shane fight predictions' thread.

[kerrminator]

I reckon Floyd is in a league of his own too. There has deffo been a lot of shit hot defensive fighters in the past but Floyd has taken a little bit of each of them and polished it up. He is also regarded as a non puncher but thats more to do with the style he uses than his power. Every now and then you see little flashes of his offensive game and imo its up there with the best of them....he's just never really needed to use it as he has the tools to win without fighting carelessly. No point in risking a tough night when you have the talent to pretty much canter to a near guaranteed win. If he had been more explosive throughout his career and went for the KO's I reckon he would still be 40-0 but he would be regarded as an ATG by some of his critics. Some people just prefer to watch an all out but defensively inept fighter like Pacman whereas I prefer to watch Floyd who imo is like a grandmaster chess player when it comes to boxing. (not that I dont like a good tear up too)

[JonOli]

Watching that clip there appears to be some friendly history and/or chemistry between these two, it hardly lives up to the title, "face off".

[Bill Butcher]

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Thanks for this :good

I like this kinda stuff, they should do more of this.

This fight doesnt need hype but I enjoy this type of thing, personally.

[Bill Butcher]

I reckon Floyd is in a league of his own too. There has deffo been a lot of shit hot defensive fighters in the past but Floyd has taken a little bit of each of them and polished it up. He is also regarded as a non puncher but thats more to do with the style he uses than his power. Every now and then you see little flashes of his offensive game ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) and imo its up there with the best of them....he's just never really needed to use it as he has the tools to win without fighting carelessly. No point in risking a tough night when you have the talent to pretty much canter to a near guaranteed win. If he had been more explosive throughout his career and went for the KO's I reckon he would still be 40-0 but he would be regarded as an ATG by some of his critics. Some people just prefer to watch an all out but defensively inept fighter like Pacman whereas I prefer to watch Floyd who imo is like a grandmaster chess player when it comes to boxing. (not that I dont like a good tear up too)

This is similar to the way I view things.