View Full Version : Why has Peter been so hyped anyhow?
Did it really start with the Jeremy Williams KO? his fight with Wlad where he had him down 3 times wern't a good determination because those knock downs were shady at best and Wlad fell more than anything. And even after the knock downs Wlad won every round besides them. Most think he lost the first James Toney fight and in the second people were raving about his "improvement" in the second Toney fight. But most people feel a victory over a shot 5'9 heavyweight is no determination of how good he is.Not to mention Toney barely got by a tomato can in his next fight. And his "mythical power" he still hasn't Ko'd a top 30 guy yet so that's out the window.And his cast iron chin which was shattered by the feather fisted Mcline. But that being said he showed he has heart and he can go 12 rounds and win UD's.
BewareofDawg
10-08-2007, 12:48 PM
It really got out of control. Last week I got into it with some posters claiming he would not only beat Ibeabuchi, but had a better chin then Tua. Better chin then Tua, I'm not kidding. Fucking ridiculous.
Kaino
10-08-2007, 12:51 PM
It really got out of control. Last week I got into it with some posters claiming he would not only beat Ibeabuchi, but had a better chin then Tua. Better chin then Tua, I'm not kidding. Fucking ridiculous.
Who said that? :patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch
BewareofDawg
10-08-2007, 12:52 PM
Who said that? :patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch
Oh just some Newbie who used to post here every so often. You might remember him......goes by the name 'Radar'! :patsch
Lampley
10-08-2007, 12:54 PM
I think it was the Williams KO along with the fact that Peter fought the "manlier" fight against Wladimir. He came forward and wanted to slug, while WK clinched a lot and was determined to box.
The fact that Wladimir fought such a timid fight -- due mostly to his confidence issues at that time, I believe -- made something of a myth out of Peter.
The worst part is I think Peter believes this -- or did believe this -- himself. He has improved his boxing and deserves credit for that, but I just don't see him ever having the craft to beat a variety of fighters to unify or to stay upright against today's WK.
But I like him and hope he keeps winning.
LogDog69
10-08-2007, 01:04 PM
I think it was the Williams KO along with the fact that Peter fought the "manlier" fight against Wladimir. He came forward and wanted to slug, while WK clinched a lot and was determined to box.
The fact that Wladimir fought such a timid fight -- due mostly to his confidence issues at that time, I believe -- made something of a myth out of Peter.
The worst part is I think Peter believes this -- or did believe this -- himself. He has improved his boxing and deserves credit for that, but I just don't see him ever having the craft to beat a variety of fighters to unify or to stay upright against today's WK.
But I like him and hope he keeps winning.
Yea I like him too because it seems like he'll fight anybody. It's just strange that he took to many flush shots from Klit and never went down and McCline put him down 3 times...it seems like something has happened to his chin since the Klit fight. Klit must have put a pretty big dent in it or something. :think
thewoo
10-08-2007, 01:06 PM
It's simply because people want to see an exciting power punching heavyweight so they put all their hope into peter. He had an impressive KO record against very low quality opposition and was promoted very well as the hardest puncher ever.
Asterion
10-08-2007, 01:19 PM
The hype exceeded levels after the second Toney fight.
He knocked him down and outboxed him.
yep he had posters like Zackman baited hooked and reeled in. But at the same time it's not like he's terrible he can still give anybody a good fight and should not be counted out against anybody.
Shpion
10-08-2007, 01:20 PM
Yea I like him too because it seems like he'll fight anybody. It's just strange that he took to many flush shots from Klit and never went down and McCline put him down 3 times...it seems like something has happened to his chin since the Klit fight. Klit must have put a pretty big dent in it or something. :think
I already mentioned it in another thread but Klitschko's 204 punches landed in their fight definetly had thier toll on Peter's chin.
wlad was the only real puncher that he had faced, Toney certainly does not quailfy.I could see getting caught and having a flash knock down but 2 more times in the next round was surprising for sure. I think he was caught off guard and would still consider him to have a sound chin, look at his head it's like a block and should be able to with stand some punishment.
Loufatski
10-08-2007, 03:36 PM
Did it really start with the Jeremy Williams KO? his fight with Wlad where he had him down 3 times wern't a good determination because those knock downs were shady at best and Wlad fell more than anything. And even after the knock downs Wlad won every round besides them. Most think he lost the first James Toney fight and in the second people were raving about his "improvement" in the second Toney fight. But most people feel a victory over a shot 5'9 heavyweight is no determination of how good he is.Not to mention Toney barely got by a tomato can in his next fight. And his "mythical power" he still hasn't Ko'd a top 30 guy yet so that's out the window.And his cast iron chin which was shattered by the feather fisted Mcline. But that being said he showed he has heart and he can go 12 rounds and win UD's.
Just about every new fighter that steps up gets hyped.
Stinky gloves
10-08-2007, 03:39 PM
Its like with someone who sink, he would grab an open razor to survive.
Peter looked good as a prospect and some people miss the times when
a single fighter ruled whole division (Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, ...).
So even Peter was highly unskilled some people believe he might
knock everybody out .... the hype begins with unreasonable hope.
It's like cattle who just follow but really don't know why. I require a liitle bit of proof before I jump on a band wagon.
El Bombasto
10-08-2007, 04:19 PM
Did it really start with the Jeremy Williams KO? his fight with Wlad where he had him down 3 times wern't a good determination because those knock downs were shady at best and Wlad fell more than anything. And even after the knock downs Wlad won every round besides them. Most think he lost the first James Toney fight and in the second people were raving about his "improvement" in the second Toney fight. But most people feel a victory over a shot 5'9 heavyweight is no determination of how good he is.Not to mention Toney barely got by a tomato can in his next fight. And his "mythical power" he still hasn't Ko'd a top 30 guy yet so that's out the window.And his cast iron chin which was shattered by the feather fisted Mcline. But that being said he showed he has heart and he can go 12 rounds and win UD's.
The problem is that most of his fans can tell the difference between what he is and what they wish he was.
achillesthegreat
10-08-2007, 04:21 PM
Because he landed 3 punches on Wlad. Never has a fighter received so much credit after being dominated skillfully. He showed intangiables though.
He also ges credit for outboxing Toney. I never bought into that. He still looked funny and if he outboxes Toney, it shows more how shit Toney was.
Peter has ALOT of talent - big, strong, powerful, with good speed BUT his talent has not been nurtured.
RAMPAGE0017
10-08-2007, 04:21 PM
The problem is that most of his fans can tell the difference between what he is and what they wish he was.
Exactly. He's just a shell of what everyone wants to reign in the division right now.. big, aggressive puncher, with a supposed iron chin.
dragosuhail
10-08-2007, 04:27 PM
he's the Great African Hope. and also known as the Saviour of the Heavyweight Division. :lol:
well that's for the haters who can't stand guys from europe at the top.
as for fans who are not haters they simply want peter to win because he is a brawling, power punching kinda mold. admittedly not a great one, but to them, a boxer like wladimir who has been ko'ed is boring and cowardly (as hard as that is to believe).
so there's two camps:
HATERS, whether it's nationalism or racism they simply see what they want to see and nothing more.
FANS OF HIS STYLE. who prefer peter's tough man attidude willing to walk through hell to land his own bombs.
brooklyn1550
10-08-2007, 04:28 PM
He was so hyped up because of the time he started to come up into the rankings. The heavyweight division was even worse than it is now, and people were looking for a savior - a guy who could thrill fans with excitement and power, brining casual fans back into the sport. Peter's scary knockouts of Jeremy Williams and Taurus Sykes along with his unblemished record and powerful build caused people to hype him up, saying he was the next Tyson. I didn't buy into the "next Tyson" hype, but I did buy into the hype that he could become the top guy in the division.
Even after his loss to Wladimir, I still continued, as many fans did, to believe he would improve and be a champion or even a unified champion. He seemed to have big power and a rock solid chin even after the loss.
His first fight with James Toney was disappointing. He was overweight, terribly slow, and was plodding around the ring. And on top of that, lucky to come away with the win. The rematch may have been the best thing to happen to him as he improved his skills, straightened out his punches, and stuck to a gameplan. Things were looking good...
Until the McCline fight. Yes, he won, but it seems as though the two things which made him so hyped (concussive power and a granite chin) were somewhat exposed. He doesn't have great power - he is strong and heavy handed, but a KO artist and a great puncher he is not. He has 1 KO in his last 6 outings and his KO percentage has dropped from 88 around the Klitschko fight to 73. Peter is young and can still improve, but I think he is becoming more of a boxer-puncher than the devestating, brutal slugger.
His most recent outing raised questions which should be addressed in a fight with Maskaev sometime in 2008. Can he KO a top 10 heavyweight? Does he have a shaky chin? I think he can KO Maskaev and I think his chin is good, but do I think of him as a potential savior, dominant champion, or a destrucive force? No....I'm thinking more along the lines of a poor-man's Ray Mercer.
But I'll be a fan of his regardless, just a realistic one who knows that 1) he needs a lot of work and 2) many fighters would have a good chance against him.
Zakman
10-08-2007, 05:04 PM
yep he had posters like Zackman baited hooked and reeled in. But at the same time it's not like he's terrible he can still give anybody a good fight and should not be counted out against anybody.
Well, the jury's still out. It does seem that Peter may not be all many of us thought he was, although he's still young and has more fights left in him. If he fights Maskaev and blows him out in a couple of rounds, the view of him could turn around pretty quick.
Boxing fans - and I fully admit I'm one of 'em - love powerpunching HWs. Why do people think Tyson was the most popular HW since Ali - and the last one to really "cross over" into the consciousness of the general public??
A powerpunching HW who blows guys away is not only exciting to watch, he's good for the sport - this is why many of us like Peter, and hope that he can become dominant in the division. What's wrong with that??
I agree with most people wanting a hardhitting heavyweight who ko's people but my point is he still hasn't ko'd a top 30 guy yet. And as he fights guys with better skills and defense I don't think they will come I think we will see more KO's from Klitchko then we will peter.
brooklyn1550
10-08-2007, 05:14 PM
A powerpunching HW who blows guys away is not only exciting to watch, he's good for the sport - this is why many of us like Peter, and hope that he can become dominant in the division. What's wrong with that??
Good point - let's just hope Peter can blow a respected heavyweight out real quickly.
He needs a performance like that to get some respect back as well as a fight where he gets hit by a hard puncher and doesn't go down.
brooklyn1550
10-08-2007, 05:15 PM
And as he fights guys with better skills and defense I don't think they will come I think we will see more KO's from Klitchko then we will peter.
Agreed....
Zakman
10-08-2007, 05:32 PM
I agree with most people wanting a hardhitting heavyweight who ko's people but my point is he still hasn't ko'd a top 30 guy yet. And as he fights guys with better skills and defense I don't think they will come I think we will see more KO's from Klitchko then we will peter.
Truthfully, I can't argue with you. In terms of power, Peter hasn't been all that impressive since he stepped up the competition. It remains to be seen if he can "rediscover" his power and start blowing away top HWs.
No question he's not gonna get as many early rounds KOs against rated fighters as he got against tomato cans - that's true of ANY powerpuncher, whether it's Tyson, Tua, whoever. The problem is that Peter hasn't been getting ANY - and, yes, that is a disappointment to those of us who were hoping for a dominant powerpunching HW to emerge.
Maybe Peter's not that guy, maybe he could be. Hopefully, he does something to bring it out again.
brooklyn1550
10-08-2007, 05:34 PM
Hopefully, he does something to bring it out again.
He could get a better trainer, but I doubt he will since he seems comfortable with Pops Anderson.
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