View Full Version : Peter throwing his career away!!!!
Chief_Second
10-08-2007, 01:08 PM
What's happened to the up and coming stirling figure who was sending shockwaves through the heavyeight division? he's hugely overweight and looked terrible against mccline. i can't see that he really trained for the fight and has been between 250-257 since about 2005.
I can see nothing other than defeat to wladimir in a rematch, or infact any of the fitter top 10 right now.
i hope saturdays farce will give him a wakeup call and get down to 245 otherwise he'll fall to defeat anytime soon.
anyone else pissed off with this waste of talent?
BTW a clip of a young peter looking a sharp and excellent prospect [Only registered and activated users can see links]
thewoo
10-08-2007, 01:09 PM
anyone else pissed off with this waste of talent?
What talent?
Lampley
10-08-2007, 01:13 PM
What's happened to the up and coming stirling figure who was sending shockwaves through the heavyeight division? he's hugely overweight and looked terrible against mccline. i can't see that he really trained for the fight and has been between 250-257 since about 2005.
I can see nothing other than defeat to wladimir in a rematch, or infact any of the fitter top 10 right now.
i hope saturdays farce will give him a wakeup call and get down to 245 otherwise he'll fall to defeat anytime soon.
anyone else pissed off with this waste of talent?
BTW a clip of a young peter looking a sharp and excellent prospect [Only registered and activated users can see links]
1) He is talented but not as talented as some thought.
2) He has become out of shape.
3) He has stepped up in class. It's easy to look good against someone who doesn't throw back, such as in the clip you linked.
I agree with #3 beating up tomato cans doesn't translate into beating top 10 guys which he has proven by not stopping anybody of note.
Chief_Second
10-08-2007, 01:16 PM
What talent?
in the heavyweight division talent comes differently to welterweights IMO. peters has an excellent jap, big punch and is a natural heavyweight - all he needs to be is in shape. wlad has no more talen IMO he's just good because he can also jab and hit hard and is a big guy - wlad is no willie pep
DoumB
10-08-2007, 01:20 PM
in the heavyweight division talent comes differently to welterweights IMO. peters has an excellent jap, big punch and is a natural heavyweight - all he needs to be is in shape. wlad has no more talen IMO he's just good because he can also jab and hit hard and is a big guy - wlad is no willie pep
wow do you knw this sport?
Chief_Second
10-08-2007, 01:22 PM
wow do you knw this sport?
more than you could imagine. the heavyweights today are all about fitness. anyone fit enough to last 12 good rounds is almost guarenteed to be champ.
FlatNose
10-08-2007, 01:22 PM
A lot of heavyweights today are fat.Could it be because they don't have to make weight, and see this as an excuse to consume an entire buffet?Even if you work out, you still have to excercise restraint.But I even wonder if a lot of these guys like Peter or the flabby , double chinned Russians are doing much roadwork.The same thing happened to David Tua.Early in his career, he weighed in the 220's.By the time he fought Lennox Lewis, he was in the 40's and looked hog fat.You see what he accomplished against Lennox.Now he's just another fatso, so slow he can't get out of his own way.The same may happen to Peter, who doesn't seem to have the potential that Tua once did.
Shpion
10-08-2007, 01:23 PM
What talent?
I had the same question.
Besides good chin (which now seems to be gone) and good punch (also seems non existent anymore) Peter has never had any other talents.
Loufatski
10-08-2007, 01:30 PM
What's happened to the up and coming stirling figure who was sending shockwaves through the heavyeight division? he's hugely overweight and looked terrible against mccline. i can't see that he really trained for the fight and has been between 250-257 since about 2005.
I can see nothing other than defeat to wladimir in a rematch, or infact any of the fitter top 10 right now.
i hope saturdays farce will give him a wakeup call and get down to 245 otherwise he'll fall to defeat anytime soon.
anyone else pissed off with this waste of talent?
BTW a clip of a young peter looking a sharp and excellent prospect [Only registered and activated users can see links]
Look at Michael Grant, another hyped bum.
Asterion
10-08-2007, 01:32 PM
Peter wasn't overweight.
Although McCline had his moment, Peter also showed a better jab and good outboxing skills. Now he's not the typical monodimensional slugger.
Jose FM
10-08-2007, 01:38 PM
Peter was always a hype job, Klitschko Haters just needed someone to make them feel as if there was actually a chance of someone taking out Wlad and the division. I mean if you look at the Wlad-Peter if it wasnt for the KD's the match was as onesided as it gets. People just refused to believe that Peter wasnt as good as they thought. He has no skills and when Vitaly fights him next year hes gonna finish what McCline already exposed - An overrated hype ob.
iceman
10-08-2007, 01:46 PM
1) He is talented but not as talented as some thought.
2) He has become out of shape.
3) He has stepped up in class. It's easy to look good against someone who doesn't throw back, such as in the clip you linked.
Exactly and his power is not what we thought either
skier47
10-08-2007, 01:53 PM
in the heavyweight division talent comes differently to welterweights IMO. peters has an excellent jap, big punch and is a natural heavyweight - all he needs to be is in shape. wlad has no more talen IMO he's just good because he can also jab and hit hard and is a big guy - wlad is no willie pep
C'mon now, Vlad throws much straighter punches than Peter and
his combinations are more fluid and accurate. Sure Wlad is big
but he is also much taller and has much greater reach than Peter.
This makes him a way more effective and dangerous fighter when
he boxes from distance. Vlad also keeps himself in much better shape
in between fights than Sam. Manny can't keep Wlad out of the
gym as he loves to train. All in all Wlad is a much better representative
of what a heavyweight champ should be both in and out of the
ring. Peter's boxing ability has improved somewhat but not nearly
enough to tackle Wlad IMO.
HandsOfGold
10-08-2007, 01:56 PM
Looks to me like he's doing pretty well for himself.
mattress
10-08-2007, 02:05 PM
Peter wasn't overweight.
He may well have been at his fighting weight but he looked seriously out of shape to me. Fat sack.
fightingmajor
10-08-2007, 02:13 PM
Peter has the best physical talent base to build from in the division, but he does appear to be on the verge of wasting his talent due to lack of conditioning. His training has got to dramtically change if he is to reach the top of the division.
This fight fits into similar historical patterns for HW's when a fighter struggles against a late replacement. Holyfield was in trouble against Bert Cooper, who was a late replacememt as did Ali in the same situation.
However, it is clear that Peter had better get his fat ass in shape if he wants to reach his potential.
thewoo
10-08-2007, 02:23 PM
in the heavyweight division talent comes differently to welterweights IMO. peters has an excellent jap, big punch and is a natural heavyweight - all he needs to be is in shape. wlad has no more talen IMO he's just good because he can also jab and hit hard and is a big guy - wlad is no willie pep
There is really nothing special about his jab. It's got some pop on it but it is slow and telegraphed and when he throw it he leaves himself wide open to be coutnered.
Wlad is so much more talented than peter it's strange to even hear them compared in the same sentence. Wlad throws text book punches, he has much greater handspeed. His punches are straight down the middle while peter's are telegraphed in looping.
Shotgun
10-08-2007, 02:40 PM
Peter is nowhere near as good as some people would have you believe. He is crude, one dimensional, and his power or at least the ability to deliver it effectively is extremely overrated. He just isn't that great, and never has been. The more fights he has against legit top 10 heavyweights the more apparent that will become
what the hell are you guys blabbing about conditioning for? He had a good punch output for 12 rounds. How is that unconditioned???
He only weighed 1 more pound than he did for the second JT fight.
When he was up and coming. . people ran their mouth that he was 1 dimensional
He works on his boxing skills and head movement. . now apparently thats not enough for people
He gets floored REALLY 1 time by a huge monstrous uppercut from a guy that probably had 30 pounds and 4 inches height on him. . now all the sudden hes "glass jawed"
seriously. . what do people expect from the man?
codeman99998
10-08-2007, 02:55 PM
in the heavyweight division talent comes differently to welterweights IMO. peters has an excellent jap, big punch and is a natural heavyweight - all he needs to be is in shape. wlad has no more talen IMO he's just good because he can also jab and hit hard and is a big guy - wlad is no willie pep
This is simply the most ridiculous thing I've ever read here.
marting
10-08-2007, 03:19 PM
In our knockout obsessed world, Peter, like almost all guys who come on the scene with a lot of flashy knockouts, gets overrated.
This vast improvement that the announcers keep talking about with Peter is nonsense to me. I think Peter has added more jabbing but he is still very one-dimensional. His defense is amateurish. He'll always be susceptible to an accomplished boxer. He's too slow and predictable but he's good enough to beat the vast majority of the heavies on the scene today.
swedeone
10-08-2007, 03:21 PM
I had the same question.
Besides good chin (which now seems to be gone) and good punch (also seems non existent anymore) Peter has never had any other talents.
That is such nonsense. C'mon man, try a be a little fair for cripes sake. :patsch
Sam has a good chin despite this past showing. he has a very good jab for a short HW. He has a super hook as well. He does need to imrove on his right hand and straighten it out quite a bit. He also needs to improve his defense. But saying that he is talent-less is just assinine.
BTW... he's got some heart as well. There are others that would have never made it out of those early rounds if they were clocked like he was. :yep
brooklyn1550
10-08-2007, 03:21 PM
Peter's best punch? His jab
swedeone
10-08-2007, 03:35 PM
Peter's best punch? His jab
:rofl
Yeahh.. ask jeremy Williams what his best punch is and something tells me you'll get a much different answer.
Can't make the shyt up sometimes, I swear. :nut
Shpion
10-08-2007, 03:35 PM
That is such nonsense. C'mon man, try a be a little fair for cripes sake. :patsch
Sam has a good chin despite this past showing. he has a very good jab for a short HW. He has a super hook as well. He does need to imrove on his right hand and straighten it out quite a bit. He also needs to improve his defense. But saying that he is talent-less is just assinine.
BTW... he's got some heart as well. There are others that would have never made it out of those early rounds if they were clocked like he was. :yep
Ok. To be fair, he had a great chin before he fought Klitschko and would go right trough McCline's punches back then. However, that fight obviously left a mark. The important question is how big of a mark???
His jab is decent at most. His defense is still awful. The first improvement he needs is to get into a good shape to improve his mobility and endurance which are interrelated to his defense, speed and punch strength at the later rounds.
Zakman
10-08-2007, 03:45 PM
Peter was always a hype job, Klitschko Haters just needed someone to make them feel as if there was actually a chance of someone taking out Wlad and the division. I mean if you look at the Wlad-Peter if it wasnt for the KD's the match was as onesided as it gets. People just refused to believe that Peter wasnt as good as they thought. He has no skills and when Vitaly fights him next year hes gonna finish what McCline already exposed - An overrated hype ob.
No doubt some of the support for Peter came from Klit-haters, but some of us were excited about him because we love hard-hitting HWs who knock people OUT and can take a punch.
Unfortunately, based on recent performance, all of this is now subject to doubt. I haven't given up on Peter - remember, he's still young - but things don't look as bright as when I first heard about him several years ago.
getup
10-08-2007, 03:55 PM
No doubt some of the support for Peter came from Klit-haters, but some of us were excited about him because we love hard-hitting HWs who knock people OUT and can take a punch.
Unfortunately, based on recent performance, all of this is now subject to doubt. I haven't given up on Peter - remember, he's still young - but things don't look as bright as when I first heard about him several years ago.
im always impressed when a guy gets floored or rock bad gets up and COMES forward and wins a fight!!!!sam looks solid at 250...,hes not gonna show good boxing skill against tall opponents.never has never will.but some one more his size and height hes shown he can box.go back and watch the last haly of his second fight with toney.the guy put punches together and moved.against tall guys hes forced to come forward...,
hell be ok...,i sure hes still all about takin olegs head right off!!!!!:deal
DAN LAW
El Bombasto
10-08-2007, 04:28 PM
What talent?
Beat me to it.
brooklyn1550
10-08-2007, 04:35 PM
:rofl
Yeahh.. ask jeremy Williams what his best punch is and something tells me you'll get a much different answer.
Can't make the shyt up sometimes, I swear. :nut
His left hook is obviously much harder than his jab, but his jab is long, quick for a guy of his build, and powerful. The key to him winning the McCline fight and the second Toney fight was the jab.
swedeone
10-08-2007, 04:42 PM
His left hook is obviously much harder than his jab, but his jab is long, quick for a guy of his build, and powerful. The key to him winning the McCline fight and the second Toney fight was the jab.
Can't argue there. Good point. :good
brooklyn1550
10-08-2007, 04:43 PM
Can't argue there. Good point. :good
Do you think he's becoming more of a boxer-puncher than a go-for-broke-slugger?
Cruiser1
10-08-2007, 04:43 PM
He does seem to have a nice little jab and he throws punches in combinations so he's got that going for him. The problem is that he's flat footed and he just kind of plods around the ring. His weight is defnitely an issue.
scurlaruntings
10-08-2007, 04:44 PM
What's happened to the up and coming stirling figure who was sending shockwaves through the heavyeight division? he's hugely overweight and looked terrible against mccline. i can't see that he really trained for the fight and has been between 250-257 since about 2005.
I can see nothing other than defeat to wladimir in a rematch, or infact any of the fitter top 10 right now.
i hope saturdays farce will give him a wakeup call and get down to 245 otherwise he'll fall to defeat anytime soon.
anyone else pissed off with this waste of talent?
BTW a clip of a young peter looking a sharp and excellent prospect [Only registered and activated users can see links] was about 20lbs lighter there. Right now his slow and ponderous. He cant afford this as he doesnt have the core fundamentals to mask that disadvantage. He looks around the 230 mark there and needs to get back to that weight if he wants to be remotely effective.
brooklyn1550
10-08-2007, 04:45 PM
I'd like to see a trainer help Samuel's footwork and balance.
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