PAC offense was most degraded!!!

[Stinky gloves]

I was shocked with his offense last night

He supposed to knock MAB out in 6 (that was average prediction).
PAC was more experienced with much bigger punching arsenal than in the first fight.
MAB was 4 years older and not in his prime anymore as in the first fight.
So it supposed to be blow out ... and what happened?

MAB was controling the fight clearly, however his workrate was shit he
was not able to steal the rounds with faster and more active PAC.

But PAC was not able to hurt MAB in any point during the fight
and he was hurt himself at least two times ... lightly however.

Conclusions and questions:
Is PAC power degrading?
Is he aging and clearly slopping over the hill?

[chimba]

I was shocked with his offense last night

He supposed to knock MAB out in 6 (that was average prediction).
PAC was more experienced with much bigger punching arsenal than in the first fight.
MAB was 4 years older and not in his prime anymore as in the first fight.
So it supposed to be blow up ... and what happened?

MAB was controling the fight clearly, however his workrate was shit he
was not able to steal the rounds with faster and more active PAC.

But PAC was not able to hurt MAB in any point during the fight
and he was hurt himself at least two times ... lightly however.

Conclusions and questions:
Is PAC power degrading?
Is he aging and clearly slopping over the hill?

Cant do it at 130 anymore...This kid has to lose 4 punds at hours before the weigh in. Then be bloated at 144 the next day. You dont need Bill Phillips to tell you that this is going to fuck your body up.

Theres a reason that after the bell ring, evryone in PACS camps yelling 135 next!!

[Chert]

nah. mab simply didn't want to mix it up w/ pac and risk being ko'd. but pac did have difficulty making 130 at the weigh-in.

[Stinky gloves]

Cant do it at 130 anymore...This kid has to lose 4 punds at hours before the weigh in. Then be bloated at 144 the next day. You dont need Bill Phillips to tell you that this is going to fuck your body up.

Theres a reason that after the bell ring, evryone in PACS camps yelling 135 next!!

If his natural weight is 144lb then maybe he supposed to try
.... Floyd (natural 147 lb) in the fight of the century?

I would root for PAC in this fight, not now however but
if he move up to 135 and beat one or two beltholders then why not?

[chimba]

nah. mab simply didn't want to mix it up w/ pac and risk being ko'd.

Brother Chert, I think Pac didnt look great either...there has been plenty of fighters wary of PAC and wants to box but Pac chases them down..I was very surprised that he didnt let it all out in the 12th. He wasnt the same, He had to lose 4 pds at the weigh in this is a very serious problem

[chimba]

If his natural weight is 144lb then maybe he supposed to try
.... Floyd (natural 147 lb) in the fight of the century?

I would root for PAC in this fight, not now however but
if he move up to 135 and beat one or two beltholders then why not?

Lets go 135 first and we have the Diazes there, Casa, Guzman, Valero and if Soto and JMM wants some money then they can follow

[Imperial1]

I was shocked with his offense last night

He supposed to knock MAB out in 6 (that was average prediction).
PAC was more experienced with much bigger punching arsenal than in the first fight.
MAB was 4 years older and not in his prime anymore as in the first fight.
So it supposed to be blow out ... and what happened?

MAB was controling the fight clearly, however his workrate was shit he
was not able to steal the rounds with faster and more active PAC.

But PAC was not able to hurt MAB in any point during the fight
and he was hurt himself at least two times ... lightly however.

Conclusions and questions:
Is PAC power degrading?
Is he aging and clearly slopping over the hill?

Supposed to knock out MAB in 6 was the 1st problem ..


2nd MAB just took Manny's left away as his primary weapon ..I agree his work rate was shit but its not like Manny did anything diffrent ..The diffrence was MAB stragedy thats it ..If anything Manny made some improvements but this fight did force him to think..Not every opponent becomes the pavement for Manny to steam roll through ..It was a tactical fight at least MAB tried to make it that ..Manny was able to maintain his aggression even though Mab was able to fluster him through the fight ..

[Jose FM]

He was clearly drained, he added 14 pounds overnight! I havent added 14 pounds in years let alone overnight. He will better at lightweight where he wont have to starve himself. Also MAB is an ATG i dunno why people hate on him, in my eyes hes coming off a win against JMM so hes still got alot left in him. I bet if MAB wanted to go up to lightweight and get a title he could.

[chimba]

He was clearly drained, he added 14 pounds overnight! I havent added 14 pounds in years let alone overnight. He will better at lightweight where he wont have to starve himself. Also MAB is an ATG i dunno why people hate on him, in my eyes hes coming off a win against JMM so hes still got alot left in him. I bet if MAB wanted to go up to lightweight and get a title he could.

Yo Jose Cotto or Shane??

[Jose FM]

Yo Jose Cotto or Shane?? For me its a 50/50 fight, i mean i think that Collazo breaking his hand didnt do Mosley justice in terms of where he's really at at this point in his career. Mosleys fighting a live fighter in Cotto who is very very hungry. Cotto can fight but will Mosley overwhelm him with punches and speed? Will Mosley capitalize on Cotto holes? Can Cotto cut off the ring as beautifully as he did against Judah? Is Judah a good measuring stick to where Cotto is really at? I mean those are the questions that im asking myself. As of right now, im not sure. I will make up my mind closer to the fight. I gotta see some training camp videos, i mean they will both be in excellent shape as both are gyms rats but i need to get some reinforce as to who i think will win.

I know my answers a cop-out, i hope itll be a draw, cause both can beat Gayweather, and i know Gayweather will be happy not to fight one of these guys. I know hes going for Mosley so he can get the older version of Mosley and wont have to fight Cotto.

You?

[Chert]

Brother Chert, I think Pac didnt look great either...there has been plenty of fighters wary of PAC and wants to box but Pac chases them down..I was very surprised that he didnt let it all out in the 12th. He wasnt the same, He had to lose 4 pds at the weigh in this is a very serious problem

yep. having to lose 4 pds at the actual day of the weigh-in was a big concern before the fight. it was quite a relief that pac was able to overcome it but it surely had an effect on his performance.

[Stinky gloves]

Isn't PAC struggling with weight from a long time... or that just a recent problem?

[aliwasthegreatest]

For me its a 50/50 fight, i mean i think that Collazo breaking his hand didnt do Mosley justice in terms of where he's really at at this point in his career. Mosleys fighting a live fighter in Cotto who is very very hungry. Cotto can fight but will Mosley overwhelm him with punches and speed? Will Mosley capitalize on Cotto holes? Can Cotto cut off the ring as beautifully as he did against Judah? Is Judah a good measuring stick to where Cotto is really at? I mean those are the questions that im asking myself. As of right now, im not sure. I will make up my mind closer to the fight. I gotta see some training camp videos, i mean they will both be in excellent shape as both are gyms rats but i need to get some reinforce as to who i think will win.

I know my answers a cop-out, i hope itll be a draw, cause both can beat Gayweather, and i know Gayweather will be happy not to fight one of these guys. I know hes going for Mosley so he can get the older version of Mosley and wont have to fight Cotto.

You?

in a thread that has nothing to do with mayweather he still manages to poke his head out.

[Jose FM]

Isn't PAC struggling with weight from a long time... or that just a recent problem?
Well the more time that passes the more of a problem its becoming...Hell be fine at 135, but i really believe that by the time Pac is fighting his last fight itll be at Welter.

[Stinky gloves]

Well the more time that passes the more of a problem its becoming...Hell be fine at 135, but i really believe that by the time Pac is fighting his last fight itll be at Welter.

A recent time Durran ....

[chimba]

For me its a 50/50 fight, i mean i think that Collazo breaking his hand didnt do Mosley justice in terms of where he's really at at this point in his career. Mosleys fighting a live fighter in Cotto who is very very hungry. Cotto can fight but will Mosley overwhelm him with punches and speed? Will Mosley capitalize on Cotto holes? Can Cotto cut off the ring as beautifully as he did against Judah? Is Judah a good measuring stick to where Cotto is really at? I mean those are the questions that im asking myself. As of right now, im not sure. I will make up my mind closer to the fight. I gotta see some training camp videos, i mean they will both be in excellent shape as both are gyms rats but i need to get some reinforce as to who i think will win.

I know my answers a cop-out, i hope itll be a draw, cause both can beat Gayweather, and i know Gayweather will be happy not to fight one of these guys. I know hes going for Mosley so he can get the older version of Mosley and wont have to fight Cotto.

You?

I love both guys and its a shame they are pitted against one another instead of either against Floyd. You know stamina and heart wont be a problem..I like Cotto if I had to pick one because of his upside.

I think his jab which was very effective against Judah could be the difference although Mosley can damage him in the early rounds.. Ahh I take Cotto by UD winning the later rounds, wouldnt be surprised if he hit the canvas though.

A draw will be fine :good

[Jose FM]

in a thread that has nothing to do with mayweather he still manages to poke his head out.
I was answering a question to Cotto-Mosley and Gayweather comes up cause supposedly hes the best at 147 meanwhile all the guys under him are fighting the better competition. I dont see how he gets away with it. Its sad.

[chimba]

A recent time Durran ....

A bit more weight classes, he was champ at Fly.. and what a dynamo at 122 (might have been his best) His destruction of Julio and Lebwadha both world class was something else

[Chert]

i don't think pac will stay long enough in boxing to reach welter in his last fight. i think he will retire when he reaches 30 or maybe even a bit earlier. he has a lot of things happening in his life other than boxing. so, enjoy him while he's still here.

[Marnoff]

Barerra, though older, would still be very difficult to knock out if that's what he was trying to not do. A skilled fighter who is thinking defensively can be tough to crack. Add that to the fact that people overestimate what Pacquaio can do, and you have a disappointment on your hands.

[Jose FM]

i don't think pac will stay long enough in boxing to reach welter in his last fight. i think he will retire when he reaches 30 or maybe even a bit earlier. he has a lot of things happening in his life other than boxing. so, enjoy him while he's still here.
Well hes 28, and still seems like he wants to fight. I guessing maybe 32, 33 thats still 5 or so more years, so he might.

[dangerousity]

Pac just wasnt hurt enough or put in a fight therefore he was content with simply outboxing Barrera. Morales took him to war so he went to war, before Solis cut him he was happy to outbox Solis, after he got cut he went crazy and tried to KO him. Never in the fight was Manny in danger of loosing so he didnt have that urgency to hurt and KO MAB, he was happy to win a loopside decision.

[Jose FM]

Pac just wasnt hurt enough or put in a fight therefore he was content with simply outboxing Barrera. Morales took him to war so he went to war, before Solis cut him he was happy to outbox Solis, after he got cut he went crazy and tried to KO him. Never in the fight was Manny in danger of loosing so he didnt have that urgency to hurt and KO MAB, he was happy to win a loopside decision. :good I agree but beware of his haters cause they will certainly look at your post and think your a nuthugger.

[chimba]

:good I agree but beware of his haters cause they will certainly look at your post and think your a nuthugger.

The problem with this site is that they think that Flips are the only ones that loves PAC, and boy do they ever love to bash ..ignorant fools...

if they show all the people who supports PAC and loves his style, theyd notice that all nationalities loves him even here at ESB, America loves this guy...I cant say that about Floyd though:good

[Stinky gloves]

Pac just wasnt hurt enough or put in a fight therefore he was content with simply outboxing Barrera. Morales took him to war so he went to war, before Solis cut him he was happy to outbox Solis, after he got cut he went crazy and tried to KO him. Never in the fight was Manny in danger of loosing so he didnt have that urgency to hurt and KO MAB, he was happy to win a loopside decision.

Nuthugger !!!

[Stinky gloves]

The problem with this site is that they think that Flips are the only ones that loves PAC, and boy do they ever love to bash ..ignorant fools...

if they show all the people who supports PAC and loves his style, theyd notice that all nationalities loves him even here at ESB, America loves this guy...I cant say that about Floyd though:good

PAC is definitely more popular in US than Floyd ever was or will

[chimba]

PAC is definitely more popular in US than Floyd ever was or will

PAC is more popular than Floyd in Africa, I can say that with certainty:D

[Stinky gloves]

PAC is more popular than Floyd in Africa, I can say that with certainty:D
He have nice/likable personality probaly as most Filipinos (beside Domngo of course) ...
People in Africa are honest and they will probaly throw bananas at Floyd if he manage to travel over there ...

[chimba]

He have nice/likable personality probaly as most Filipinos (beside Domngo of course) ...
People in Africa are honest and they will probaly thow bananas at Floyd if he manage to travel over there ...

:rofl :rofl :rofl theyd be like who the hell is the MOFO? hes ugly as hell:rofl :rofl BTW wheres Domngo??Is this kid banned forever?:-(

[Lampley]

A bit more weight classes, he was champ at Fly.. and what a dynamo at 122 (might have been his best) His destruction of Julio and Lebwadha both world class was something else

I agree that 122 was Manny's best class. He was dynamite there. Considered that he's still in his 20s and from where he started, it confuses me why he should struggle to make 130.

He's not as powerful now as he was at 122 or 126, and at 135 I wonder if he'll lose speed as well.

[chimba]

I agree that 122 was Manny's best class. He was dynamite there. Considered that he's still in his 20s and from where he started, it confuses me why he should struggle to make 130.

He's not as powerful now as he was at 122 or 126, and at 135 I wonder if he'll lose speed as well.

Yo Jim, have you ever had filipino food?? we throw away the lean meat on the steak and eat the fat.:lol: But yeah just watching old videos? at 122 he was dynamite

[Stinky gloves]

:rofl :rofl :rofl theyd be like who the hell is the MOFO? hes ugly as hell:rofl :rofl BTW wheres Domngo??Is this kid banned forever?:-(
Hopefully, in comparison to him conversations with you are like being in heaven ....

[Lampley]

Yo Jim, have you ever had filipino food?? we throw away the lean meat on the steak and eat the fat.:lol: But yeah just watching old videos? at 122 he was dynamite

Ha! For the record, no, but I'd like to try it out.

[Spitfire7]

MAB was controling the fight clearly, however his workrate was shit he
was not able to steal the rounds with faster and more active PAC.

But PAC was not able to hurt MAB in any point during the fight
and he was hurt himself at least two times ... lightly however.

Conclusions and questions:
Is PAC power degrading?
Is he aging and clearly slopping over the hill?

1. It was Pac dictating the tempo of the fight, what fight were you watching?:huh

2. Not hurt? That furious Pac flurry in the 11th that resulted to a nasty cut--not only had MAB backtracking and wobbly, it got him mad and determined to retaliate in any manner possible howbeit illegally (possibly to buy some precious recovery time?).:deal

[Stinky gloves]

1. It was Pac dictating the tempo of the fight, what fight were you watching?:huh

2. Not hurt? That furious Pac flurry in the 11th that resulted to a nasty cut--not only had MAB backtracking and wobbly, it got him mad and determined to retaliate in any manner possible howbeit illegally (possibly to buy some precious recovery time?).:deal

He tried to be fast in order to get to MAB chin, and he was not succesfull for the 11 rounds.
Its mean MAB was controlling the fight not letting PAC to land anything sepctacular and countering him all the time.
The problem for MAB was he did not bring anything offensive either.
So PAC rightfully won most of the rounds due to his activity and amount of trown punches.

11 round was ony one when PAC was testing MAB chin but seriously, he is good actor ...

[PATSYS]

I was shocked with his offense last night

He supposed to knock MAB out in 6 (that was average prediction).
PAC was more experienced with much bigger punching arsenal than in the first fight.
MAB was 4 years older and not in his prime anymore as in the first fight.
So it supposed to be blow out ... and what happened?

MAB was controling the fight clearly, however his workrate was shit he
was not able to steal the rounds with faster and more active PAC.

But PAC was not able to hurt MAB in any point during the fight
and he was hurt himself at least two times ... lightly however.

Conclusions and questions:
Is PAC power degrading?
Is he aging and clearly slopping over the hill?

There are many factors that contributed why MAB did nto get koed:

1. MAB was contented to avoid any kind of slugfest, save for very few where is saw some safe openings. The MAB we saw there studied JMM - Pac fight for 3 full months and he executed as best as he could.

2. Pac was more defensive minded than ever that I ever seen.

3. MAB is not as shot as most people think, and he really conditioned himself greatly for this one.

[SweetScience]

I think Manny will be able to transition well in 135 without any problems. During the MAB fight he was at 144. Sure he looked a bit slow but I think if he trains hard in this division, then we might see him tear up that division as well.

[psychopath]

I was shocked with his offense last night

He supposed to knock MAB out in 6 (that was average prediction).
PAC was more experienced with much bigger punching arsenal than in the first fight.
MAB was 4 years older and not in his prime anymore as in the first fight.
So it supposed to be blow out ... and what happened?

MAB was controling the fight clearly, however his workrate was shit he
was not able to steal the rounds with faster and more active PAC.

But PAC was not able to hurt MAB in any point during the fight
and he was hurt himself at least two times ... lightly however.

Conclusions and questions:
Is PAC power degrading?
Is he aging and clearly slopping over the hill?

Degrading? Aging? Slopping over the hill? Just because he didn't knock out Mab?

Nah nah nah :nono . . . are these questions intended to agitate Pac fans again stinky? :D

By saying that he's suppose to K.O. MAB within 6 rounds . . . you have a very high expectation on Pac and fully discounting MABs capabilties at this point.

Barrera came in there not to win but only to make sure he survives the whole 12 rounds . . . and he is very much succesful on that.

But on MAB controlling the fight . . . that's plain bullshit. :yep :D

[charlievint]

I was shocked with his offense last night

He supposed to knock MAB out in 6 (that was average prediction).
PAC was more experienced with much bigger punching arsenal than in the first fight.
MAB was 4 years older and not in his prime anymore as in the first fight.
So it supposed to be blow out ... and what happened?

MAB was controling the fight clearly, however his workrate was shit he
was not able to steal the rounds with faster and more active PAC.

But PAC was not able to hurt MAB in any point during the fight
and he was hurt himself at least two times ... lightly however.

Conclusions and questions:
Is PAC power degrading?
Is he aging and clearly slopping over the hill?

Nah....MAB just faught a very smart fight....or "DEFENSIVE" fight for the most part. His experience and intelligence in the ring proved to be a pretty complicated puzzle that PAC had to piece together. It wasn't PAC's best preformance but he was in there with a VERY Good MAB. MAB proved that he still has a lot left in him, but I think this was his last GREAT preformance...unfortunately it wasn't enough against PAC.

[Ramshall1]

It was a mix of Pac's poor training and MAB's defense first strategy.

[Stinky gloves]

Degrading? Aging? Slopping over the hill? Just because he didn't knock out Mab?

Nah nah nah :nono . . . are these questions intended to agitate Pac fans again stinky? :D

By saying that he's suppose to K.O. MAB within 6 rounds . . . you have a very high expectation on Pac and fully discounting MABs capabilties at this point.

Barrera came in there not to win but only to make sure he survives the whole 12 rounds . . . and he is very much succesful on that.

But on MAB controlling the fight . . . that's plain bullshit. :yep :D

Yes, it was intended exactly to agitate PAC fans, don't like to be agitated?

However Chimba didn't felt into the trap like you always do and gave reasonable
explanation of PAC highly diminished skills ;) so your screaming is a little bit late. :blabla

It wasn't me who was expecting PAC KO in 6, my prediction was MAB KO PAC in 1st round :lol: ...
I was wrong :cry: but who wasn't :conf

[Stinky gloves]

Yo! Im new here, but wats up with all this criticism about Pac. So he didn't knock da ol man out. So what? If you're up by like 4-5 rounds like Pac was, the smart strategy is to wait for the other guy to open. Yes, pac is now a thinking fighter...hard to believe for u haters isnt it. The onus was on MAB to give himself a chance to win coz obviously his jab/clinch/duck/backpedal/cover-up strategy wasn't winning him any rounds. Unfortunately MAB forgot to bring his balls.

I see you are young, someday you will undrstand ... hate is hate, what you can do?

[charlievint]

He tried to be fast in order to get to MAB chin, and he was not succesfull for the 11 rounds.
Its mean MAB was controlling the fight not letting PAC to land anything sepctacular and countering him all the time.
The problem for MAB was he did not bring anything offensive either.
So PAC rightfully won most of the rounds due to his activity and amount of trown punches.

11 round was ony one when PAC was testing MAB chin but seriously, he is good actor ...

LOL...what kind of logic is that?:rofl So becuase PAC wasn't abel to land "SPECTACTULAR" puches MAB controlled the fight? :lol: PAC still landed more than MAB every round and was "PUSHING" the fight. Wouldn't that mean the Pace along with the action was controlled by the more active fighter who happened to be Manny? Landing more and doing more would warrant "Controlling the fight".

[Mind Reader]

I was impressed with Manny, I thought he looked very strong. I was also impressed with Barrera too he just didn't throw enough punches to win the fight. And Barrera got the better of some of those exchanges too, after a point it seemed he was totally content to not get KO'ed.

[Mind Reader]

I figured from the start that this fight was going to be alot closer despite Pac getting better and MAB 4 years older.

[Scar]

I was answering a question to Cotto-Mosley and Gayweather comes up cause supposedly hes the best at 147 meanwhile all the guys under him are fighting the better competition. I dont see how he gets away with it. Its sad.

He gets away with it because he beat the undisputed champion, those guys didn't, that simple whether you want to accept it or not.

[Stinky gloves]

LOL...what kind of logic is that?:rofl So becuase PAC wasn't abel to land "SPECTACTULAR" puches MAB controlled the fight? :lol: PAC still landed more than MAB every round and was "PUSHING" the fight. Wouldn't that mean the Pace along with the action was controlled by the more active fighter who happened to be Manny? Landing more and doing more would warrant "Controlling the fight".
The reasoning from the beginning was that PAc was SUPPOSED to blow out
MAB in 6 rounds, ask any Filipino kid if they had different prediction?

From that PAC did not fulfill his expectations, he did not bring anything
which was expected from him ... he failed :lol: in delivering p4p excitement.

The reason he outpointed MAB and send him for retirement is rather
MAB offensive incativity than PAC intimidiating offensive skills.

Since MAB was clarly past his best and PAC much iproved since their last fight
I just raised the obvious question: what happened to the Mexican killer?
Thanks to Chimba we have reasonable and satisfactory answer.

[theunderdog]

and stiny said mab will ko pac in 1 round

[psychopath]

Yes, it was intended exactly to agitate PAC fans, don't like to be agitated?

However Chimba didn't felt into the trap like you always do and gave reasonable
explanation of PAC highly diminished skills ;) so your screaming is a little bit late. :blabla

It wasn't me who was expecting PAC KO in 6, my prediction was MAB KO PAC in 1st round :lol: ...
I was wrong :cry: but who wasn't :conf

Nah I don't ever fell into traps . . . I immediately call it bullshit as I see one. :yep . . . if the thread starter tries to drag me into his bullshits then he gets it from me.

I don't usually give logical replies to illogical posts or threads . . . I whacked the thread starter immediately because obviously that's what he wanted to get. :D :lol:

[Toopretty]

The way Barrera fought constantly moving sliding and staying far far away from the ropes and pretty much not leading with jabs or any offense at all. That would be impossible for almost any fighter to stop him. If Manny turned into old Manny and went after him with evil intent he would of got countered silly which is what happend. Manny is not a retarded fighter. He tried to taunt Barrera into standing his ground more and by popping him with good str8 lefts to make Barrera want to retaliate which is in his nature. Barrera fake retaliated then kept moving and never actually setting up any offense. It was like fighting cory spinks. Nothing you can do...

[chimba]

The way Barrera fought constantly moving sliding and staying far far away from the ropes and pretty much not leading with jabs or any offense at all. That would be impossible for almost any fighter to stop him. If Manny turned into old Manny and went after him with evil intent he would of got countered silly which is what happend. Manny is not a retarded fighter. He tried to taunt Barrera into standing his ground more and by popping him with good str8 lefts to make Barrera want to retaliate which is in his nature. Barrera fake retaliated then kept moving and never actually setting up any offense. It was like fighting cory spinks. Nothing you can do...

Great Post!!!:good and yes Manny is not retarded.. he may look it sometimes

[Stinky gloves]

and stiny said mab will ko pac in 1 round

Who is Stiny? :lol:

[Stinky gloves]

Great Post!!!:good and yes Manny is not retarded.. he may look it sometimes

Manny looks like retarded sometimes :lol:
I really hope Manny do not read your posts, you are in big big trouble now!

[theunderdog]

i'm quite surprised that you're still around. you said that pac will get schooled be mad then you said that he will get ko'd in the first round. but then your boy mab fought to survive.

still you have the guile to say that pac offense "was most degraded" when it was mab who failed to launch. you are a pathetic excuse for a boxing fan.

[charlievint]

The reasoning from the beginning was that PAc was SUPPOSED to blow out
MAB in 6 rounds, ask any Filipino kid if they had different prediction?

From that PAC did not fulfill his expectations, he did not bring anything
which was expected from him ... he failed :lol: in delivering p4p excitement.

The reason he outpointed MAB and send him for retirement is rather
MAB offensive incativity than PAC intimidiating offensive skills.

Since MAB was clarly past his best and PAC much iproved since their last fight
I just raised the obvious question: what happened to the Mexican killer?
Thanks to Chimba we have reasonable and satisfactory answer.

:rofl Sounds like thats "YOUR" fault for setting up false expectations. You can't have "P4P excitment" when you have a fighter who is set on BOXING rather than getting into some toe to toe trading.

Pac can't go by the expectations set by the average boxing fan or hater. That would be ridicoulous. he has his own set expectations but in boxing anything can happen. MAB faught a very intelligent fight against a young and aggressive fighter like PAC.

Boxing was MAB's only opportunity to go the distance and he boxed as well as he could under the pressure that PAC presented him with. Todays MAB is clearly past his prime, but he's also ALOT more experienced! At this point there aren't many that could beat MAB. JMM had a VERY hard time with Marco and I feel he's #2 behind PAC.

PAC is still a dominant force at this weight and yes he is dropping the Mexican greats left and right. B/c he didn't KO MAB doesn't mean he's been hyped....his track record speaks for itself and can't be denied by knowledgable and reasonable boxing fans. Pac proved tonight he was much imporved by fighting a smart fight against an even more experienced and intelligent fighter. You are use to seeing PAC just fight non stop and PAC is smart enough to know you can not fight that way all the time. MAB was proabably expecting that and he may have had an answer to that kind of game plan should PAC have came to the fight with that in mind.