Just watched the 3rd round again and...

[swedeone]

... I've come to the conclusion that most, if not all heavyweights would have not made it out of that round. I've seen most guys chins and I can't come up with a guy that would have survived. That first KD in the round was fuccing brutal. What a shot.

Say what you want about Samuel Peter... bottom line is that he survived that onslaught which happened in the beginning of the round. Not only that, we completely outboxed McCline after being hurt like that. Not too shabby when you re-evaluate.

[Nawfal]

toney would have survived it no doubt

[AJAX]

he also learned a lesson not to take anybody too lightly and that he isn't head and heals above everybody. He must have been on ESB and read the posts that you Zackman, Amsterdam,fourtyonce and a few others were writing about him. He must have thought he was unbeatable if he read some of those things.

[swedeone]

toney would have survived it no doubt


Toney has a great chin and slips punches so well, but I'm not sure he would have survived that. :think

[fadeintobolivia]

A lot of people underestimate Mccline but all his problems are all mental problems i think when he put his mental problems away he can definitly bang
look at his body (real or not real) 6'6 and 260+ pounds
is there not even the rumour that Mccline knocked out the legendary
"Good times" Lennox Lewis in sparring out.

[dragosuhail]

swedeone you are correct. but i must say the hooks and uppercuts indicated he can be hurt. it seems peter is immune to straight right hands to the nose and forehead area. (well to me i've always thought fighters are weaker verses certain types of punches than others)

he'll need to be even fitter than he was in the wlad fight to have a punchers chance in rematch. if not wladiimir or even oleg will use many hooks and uppercuts to see if they can replicate mccllnes results.

i believe if peter had come into the wladimir fight at 250, we would not be talking about peter still. with peter's shortness compared to some other heavies he really needs to incorporate the duck and weave to increase his chances significantly.

can he? will he? only time will tell.

p.s. on a side note anyone notice the miscommunication between peter and jim gray?

"it was pure guts" - gray

"excuse me!?!" - peter

"pure guts... you know, pure heart" - gray

"oooh! right! yeah it was" - peter (while thinking for a moment that gray was saying it was his gut that caused the knock downs :rofl :rofl )

[brooklyn1550]

The second knockdown was a massive right hand that caught him flush on the chin when he didn't see it coming. I'm surprised he survived that...

[wrastla285]

... I've come to the conclusion that most, if not all heavyweights would have not made it out of that round. I've seen most guys chins and I can't come up with a guy that would have survived. That first KD in the round was fuccing brutal. What a shot.

Say what you want about Samuel Peter... bottom line is that he survived that onslaught which happened in the beginning of the round. Not only that, we completely outboxed McCline after being hurt like that. Not too shabby when you re-evaluate.

guess you'll say the same about wlad klitschko then

[hacim419]

They could have easily stopped it, Peter is lucky for that....

[madpup]

Those were real good punches, I think that Peter still has a hell of a chin. However, Mcline really poor stamina and lack of a killer instinct saved him, more than anything. I'd say any top 10 heavyweight would have finished him.

[Asterion]

Peter has heart. No question.

[geppy]

Other fighters would of finished Peter. Mccline fights scared and passive, it is not his nature to load up on power shots.

Look how severely he hurt Peter. But Mccline stopped throwing power punches after the midrounds , and was exhausted breathing with his mouth wide open. You have to wonder why Mccline ababonded the uppercut after it led to two KD's ?

[swedeone]

guess you'll say the same about wlad klitschko then


The only thing Wlad has to do with this thread is that he would have been stopped by the shots McCline landed on Peter. That is without question. :yep

[geppy]

The only thing Wlad has to do with this thread is that he would have been stopped by the shots McCline landed on Peter. That is without question. :yep


Wlad isnt a slow one dimenisional boxer though, that is easy to hit. Mccline is very conservative about throwing power punches, he is timid in the ring.

For Mccline to almost Ko someone, you really have to be asking to get hit! Because Mccline will not let his hands go.

[freddy-wak]

... I've come to the conclusion that most, if not all heavyweights would have not made it out of that round. I've seen most guys chins and I can't come up with a guy that would have survived. That first KD in the round was fuccing brutal. What a shot.

Say what you want about Samuel Peter... bottom line is that he survived that onslaught which happened in the beginning of the round. Not only that, we completely outboxed McCline after being hurt like that. Not too shabby when you re-evaluate.

:lol:

[swedeone]

Wlad isnt a slow one dimenisional boxer though, that is easy to hit. Mccline is very conservative about throwing power punches, he is timid in the ring.

For Mccline to almost Ko someone, you really have to be asking to get hit! Because Mccline will not let his hands go.


I said IF Wlad was hit with those shots. IF he was, he wouldn't have made it. His chin is much weaker than Peter's.

[AJAX]

why? Wlad has been on the canvas as much as anybody and has gotten up many times as well.

[geppy]

I said IF Wlad was hit with those shots. IF he was, he wouldn't have made it. His chin is much weaker than Peter's.


Sure, it is . But Peter is really going to have to depend on his chin as he starts fighting real HW's ( not Toney, or Jermery Williams) becuase he is so easy to hit! Being that critically hurt by Mccline and nearly stopped is not a good sign. That and he could not hurt Mccline, I didnt see him hurt once. That is what Peter depends on power, and chin!! And they may of been over-estimated.

[Ambition_Def]

why? Wlad has been on the canvas as much as anybody and has gotten up many times as well.

Well, Waldo has a better chin than some real china chins.

However he grabbed Sam ALOT in that fight. Just as McCline grabbed Sam ALOT this past saturday.

I have no doubts in my head about the holding. Had the refs done their job, points would have been taken or at the very least, warnings would have been dished out. Waldo was KO'd by Brewster because the ref Robert Byrd denied Waldo any sort of crutch. He wouldn't let him hold or lean on Brewster, forcing Waldo to fight and eventually get knocked out.

It's also a two way street. It would make the fight more interesting and at the same time more competitive. The clinch IS the crutch of the big men and it needs to go.

[BoxingGuru]

The only thing Wlad has to do with this thread is that he would have been stopped by the shots McCline landed on Peter. That is without question. :yep

That's funny considering he shut McCline down completely and dominated him. Your Sam Peter ball licking is just as bad as Showtimes.

[BoxingGuru]

I said IF Wlad was hit with those shots. IF he was, he wouldn't have made it. His chin is much weaker than Peter's.

Man you don't know shit do you. The FIRST top 10 guy Peter faced had him hurt bad in the 12th round and the SECOND guy (top 25) had him almost out in the 2nd round. You're bias is very clear here.

[platnumpapi]

toney would have survived it no doubt


toney would not have got hit with those type of punches in the 1st place.peter jaw is iron he took some greats hots flush.i mean he was taking combos punches on the jaw and in the face by 266 pd mccline.

i aint gone say shit about his draw, but peter cant take shots like that all night or he would go to sleep.

wald will fight peter to safe i think jab and clinch so i dont think he would ko peter.maybe in the last rd he might hurt him again but wald would not go for the finnish, now vitali his a different guy i think he would stop peter if he got him hurt.

[codeman99998]

... I've come to the conclusion that most, if not all heavyweights would have not made it out of that round. I've seen most guys chins and I can't come up with a guy that would have survived. That first KD in the round was fuccing brutal. What a shot.

Say what you want about Samuel Peter... bottom line is that he survived that onslaught which happened in the beginning of the round. Not only that, we completely outboxed McCline after being hurt like that. Not too shabby when you re-evaluate.

You are wrong. MOST top 10 HWs wouldn't have been completely defenseless against McCline, and wouldn't have gotten hit with those shots in the first place.

[Blacc Jesus]

toney would have survived it no doubt
True story.

[Marciano Frazier]

... I've come to the conclusion that most, if not all heavyweights would have not made it out of that round.

I've seen most guys chins and I can't come up with a guy that would have survived. That first KD in the round was fuccing brutal. What a shot.

Say what you want about Samuel Peter... bottom line is that he survived that onslaught which happened in the beginning of the round. Not only that, we completely outboxed McCline after being hurt like that. Not too shabby when you re-evaluate.
There are all kinds of heavyweights who could just altogether avoid being caught with anything serious by McCline, and some who could simply take it. Most of the heavyweights in the top 20 would not have had such wide-open defenses and gotten their faces beaten to mush by an over-the-hill average contender like McCline, and a few could have simply stood up to it. You think Jameel McCline would've hit David Tua harder than Lewis, Ibeabuchi, etc. did? McCline was never a monstrous offensive fighter even in his prime, and now he's an overweight, rusty 37-year-old. It is pretty impressive that Peter survived and came back to win, but it is a huge stroke against him and the idea of his being #2 in the world that he was A., caught so often and so easily by an old, sluggish ex-contender like McCline, and B. hurt so easily by him.

[Dstep]

... I've come to the conclusion that most, if not all heavyweights would have not made it out of that round. I've seen most guys chins and I can't come up with a guy that would have survived. That first KD in the round was fuccing brutal. What a shot.

Say what you want about Samuel Peter... bottom line is that he survived that onslaught which happened in the beginning of the round. Not only that, we completely outboxed McCline after being hurt like that. Not too shabby when you re-evaluate.


Most of the decent heavyweights would also never get caught by so many flush shots from slow McCline:lol:

[ralphc]

... I've come to the conclusion that most, if not all heavyweights would have not made it out of that round. I've seen most guys chins and I can't come up with a guy that would have survived. That first KD in the round was fuccing brutal. What a shot.

Say what you want about Samuel Peter... bottom line is that he survived that onslaught which happened in the beginning of the round. Not only that, we completely outboxed McCline after being hurt like that. Not too shabby when you re-evaluate.




If Sam Peter showed as much heart in training as he did you that 3rd round, he would now be the undisputed champion of the world. If he took the time to get in boxing shape he would have been able to finish off Klitschko when he had him in trouble. If he improved his skills just slightly he would not take so many hits.

[brooklyn1550]

Most of the decent heavyweights would also never get caught by so many flush shots from slow McCline:lol:

McCline isn't slow...for a very big man, he has decent hand speed, and is rather athletic.

[Nawfal]

i think toney took harder shots against peter than peter did against mccline

but you never know i guess.

[Coast]

This fight showed Peter can be badly hurt by uppercuts. Because he's short for a heavy with practically no neck straight rights and hooks aren't nearly as effective since they are less likely to land flush.

Wlad hardly threw any uppercuts at all when they fought. Mcline gave Peter's next opponents a blueprint to beat him.

[Betty Swollocks]

Peters was fucked up badly by powder puff McCline, he's got an egg chin.