Who ranks higher p4p , Bernard Hopkins or Lennox Lewis ?

[Hattons Hook]

Who had the better career, legacy etc. Basically, who was the better fighter ?

[Popkins]

Hopkins.

[lefthook31]

I think its close. Both undisputed champs, Hopkins unified his titles separately, Lewis probably fought a little better fighters in his respective division, but Hopkins was a longer reigning champ. Its close, but Hopkins probably ultimately gets ranked higher because of his accomplishments at middleweight as Lewis achievements at heavyweight are not as significant compared to other heavies throughout history.

[BENNY BLANCO]

I say Lennox Lewis ranks higher, Lennox just simply has a deeper resume than Hopkins.

[Boxed Ears]

Lennox had defeated tougher opposition through most of his career, as far as I'm concerned. I consider Bernard to be a better boxer, more durable, more longevity and more consistent. But Lennox simply had to prove more against more challenging men. It depends what you're going to grade more on. Lennox had a better ability to take decisions out of the judges hands with his power. He was no slouch as far as ring IQ himself. Bernard was quicker and beat the odds a little more as far as never really being groomed to be a fighter. His success is more interesting in a way, harder. I don't now. I'm usually a lousy fence sitter on a lot of this subjective p4p stuff and I have to go with my old chestnut of "I can see it argued both ways."

[mr. magoo]

I might have to go with Anthony Hopkins.... Lewis might rate higher in one perspective division, but Hopkins outranks him on an overall pound for pound basis.. He is a multiple division title winner and has longevity that is absolutely incredible.... He was also never KO'd by a second rater when in his perspective prime....

[Boxed Ears]

I might have to go with Anthony Hopkins.... Lewis might rate higher in one perspective division, but Hopkins outranks him on an overall pound for pound basis.. He is a multiple division title winner and has longevity that is absolutely incredible.... He was also never KO'd by a second rater when in his perspective prime....

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[Vanboxingfan]

Well I'm a pretty big Lewis fan, but he really doesn't rate well in a p4p sense, because of his enormous size. As far as careers go, I'd give Hopkins the edge based on longivity, consistency, and his run at lightheavy, not that Lewis had the option of moving up a division. But it's a close comparison.

[anarci]

I say Lennox Lewis ranks higher, Lennox just simply has a deeper resume than Hopkins. You mean getting KTFOD by 2 decent but far from great heavyweights,his 2 best wins over faded Evander and washed up Tyson:huh

Hopkins by far who is a top 4 MW imo and still a top pfp at 45, this wasnt even hard to answer.

Hopkins top 25 atg
Lewis top 75 atg

[ricardinho]

You mean getting KTFOD by 2 decent but far from great heavyweights,his 2 best wins over faded Evander and washed up Tyson:huh

Hopkins by far who is a top 4 MW imo and still a top pfp at 45, this wasnt even hard to answer.

Hopkins top 25 atg
Lewis top 75 atg

Lennox Lewis left boxing after robbing the public of his rematch with Vitali and he lost to so so talent in the most humiliating of ways.

[Boxed Ears]

You mean getting KTFOD by 2 decent but far from great heavyweights,his 2 best wins over faded Evander and washed up Tyson:huh

Hopkins by far who is a top 4 MW imo and still a top pfp at 45, this wasnt even hard to answer.

Hopkins top 25 atg
Lewis top 75 atg

Faded Holyfield? Okay, but we can pick on some of Bernard's best wins too. Never should have been a middleweight ODLH, Never fought as a light heavyweight bronchitis burdened Pavlik, never fought as a light heavyweight Wright, dreaded vanquisher of 47-year-old Duran corpse Joppy, on his third weight class Trinidad...Did either guy necessarily beat an ATG in their prime, at their best weight class? I think this one is still arguable. I don't see them as being unquestionably far apart. And Lewis may not have been beaten by great fighters, but he avenged both losses in completely decisive manner. Bernard can't make a claim there.

[anarci]

Faded Holyfield? Okay, but we can pick on some of Bernard's best wins too. Never should have been a middleweight ODLH, Never fought as a light heavyweight bronchitis burdened Pavlik, never fought as a light heavyweight Wright, dreaded vanquisher of 47-year-old Duran corpse Joppy, on his third weight class Trinidad...Did either guy necessarily beat an ATG in their prime, at their best weight class? I think this one is still arguable. I don't see them as being unquestionably far apart. And Lewis may not have been beaten by great fighters, but he avenged both losses in completely decisive manner. Bernard can't make a claim there.

TITO was more of natural middle than Oscar and that was a great win, TIto would have beaten alot of past Mw champions he just fought an atg that night, Oscar was not a MW but even Beating an atg like Oscar who was moving up 6 lbs was still a better win than the the guys Lewis beat. People wanna bash Hopkins for beating former JM and WW champs but its the same thing when it comes to HWs where it is not uncommon to find a 10,20,30 or even 40 lb difference. At least Oscar and Tito are ATGs, and either in their prime(Tito) or not far from it (Oscar). Bottom line what does it for me is Hopkins has never been KTFOD or convincingly beat. Thought Jones won but Hopkins was at least competetive and this was when Jones was prime and Hopkins had was maybe at 75% his prime.

[Boxed Ears]

TITO was more of natural middle than Oscar and that was a great win, TIto would have beaten alot of past Mw champions he just fought an atg that night, Oscar was not a MW but even Beating an atg like Oscar who was moving up 6 lbs was still a better win than the the guys Lewis beat. People wanna bash Hopkins for beating former JM and WW champs but its the same thing when it comes to HWs where it is not uncommon to find a 10,20,30 or even 40 lb difference. At least Oscar and Tito are ATGs, and either in their prime(Tito) or not far from it (Oscar). Bottom line what does it for me is Hopkins has never been KTFOD or convincingly beat. Thought Jones won but Hopkins was at least competetive and this was when Jones was prime and Hopkins had was maybe at 75% his prime.

I don't want to bash Hopkins at all. Just so we're clear, that wasn't me having an argument against Bernard's career. That was my argument for showing you can slant things negatively on his accomplishments in the same manner as faded Holyfield and washed up Tyson. I'm saying you can pick apart most resumes if you want to use that all-timers in their prime at their best or there's an asterisk style rule. Then not too many records look particularly glowing. That's my only point.

I'd take a faded Holy over most of Bernard's victories at MW, honestly if we're reducing careers down to their few best wins, which I'm not. As far as beating Oscar being a better win than any of the guys Lewis beat? I can't agree with that either. Oscar had no middleweight identity as far as I'm concerned and Hopkins is an ATG middleweight. That doesn't strike me as a great win. Oscar had only scraped past a lackluster Sturm as far as being a proven middleweight. Tito was possibly Bernard's best win. And to me, stopping Vitali at thirty-eight will be looked upon with more and more weight as time passes, no matter how much he struggled in doing it and I wouldn't say it was unquestionably the lesser to any of Bernard's wins. That may be a highly unpopular opinion, which I'm fine with but that's my opinion. Either way, I'm just rambling now and I won't even remember any of this tomorrow, until I come across it again and you or somebody else is chewing me out for it.

[bodhi]

Hopkins and pretty clearly. Resume is pretty much even but Hopkins´ achievements, longevity and dominance is above that of Lewis.

[Silver]

without a doubt hopkins. lewis got ktfo out twice by guys he had no business losing. both men dominated their respective divsions. neither divison was particularly great at the time but both men did what they had to do but hopkins did without ever being starched like lewis.

[Boxed Ears]

Hopkins and pretty clearly. Resume is pretty much even but Hopkins´ achievements, longevity and dominance is above that of Lewis.

Judging by the answers here, I'm starting to think I'm just stuck in one of my moods where I've got a buzz on and it's the middle of the night and I feel sympathetic for one guy and turn my devil's advocate nature up to ten. I'm going to vow to myself not to reply on this thread until tomorrow.

[Bill Butcher]

Stupid question.

Hopkins of course.

[MAG1965]

Hopkins

[lefthook31]

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[Abdullah]

Hopkins

[itrymariti]

Hopkins based on ability. Lewis has more depth to his record, but Hopkins best victories are probably better than Lewis' best victories, and he was more dominant, and he was around for longer. But the real deciding factor for me is H2H value. I rate Hopkins as one of the best H2H 160-pounders OAT, above Monzon and Hagler, for instance.

[Hattons Hook]

Stupid question.

Hopkins of course.


Stupid question how ?

I'd say they're both very close on achievements and ability myself, but it's all about opinion. To say Hopkins is so clearly ahead to warrant it being a stupid question is in itself stupid.
The fact that Lewis beat everyman he ever faced is a big one for me.

[Silver]

Stupid question how ?

I'd say they're both very close on achievements and ability myself, but it's all about opinion. To say Hopkins is so clearly ahead to warrant it being a stupid question is in itself stupid.
The fact that Lewis beat everyman he ever faced is a big one for me.
but hopkins never got iced like lewis did, and it happened twice

[darthhutchence]

I say Hopkins wins easily on longevity points. and bigger wins.

[BENNY BLANCO]

but hopkins never got iced like lewis did, and it happened twice Yeah but Lennox avenged both losses in a one sided fashion, whereas Hopkins failed to do that against Taylor. And me personally I rank Lennox last victory over Vitali higher than any Hopkins victory due to circumstances and hindsight. And just overall Lennox like I said before has the deeper resume.

[Boxed Ears]

Yeah but Lennox avenged both losses in a one sided fashion, whereas Hopkins failed to do that against Taylor. And me personally I rank Lennox last victory over Vitali higher than any Hopkins victory due to circumstances and hindsight. And just overall Lennox like I said before has the deeper resume.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that rates the Vitali victory so highly. I think a lot of dislike for Klitschko has forced this down to virtual overall career insignificance in many posters' minds.

[Silver]

Yeah but Lennox avenged both losses in a one sided fashion, whereas Hopkins failed to do that against Taylor. And me personally I rank Lennox last victory over Vitali higher than any Hopkins victory due to circumstances and hindsight. And just overall Lennox like I said before has the deeper resume.
but what you fail to mention is that hopkins was no longer in his prime when he lost to taylor consecutively while lewis was brutally knocked out in the middle of his title reign. as for the vitali fight, well, the fight never finished. in fact a rematch was talked about but lewis retired. in short, neither mans resume is overly impressive but hopkins was the more consistent fighter, edge to hopkins.

[Boxed Ears]

but what you fail to mention is that hopkins was no longer in his prime when he lost to taylor consecutively while lewis was brutally knocked out in the middle of his title reign. as for the vitali fight, well, the fight never finished. in fact a rematch was talked about but lewis retired. in short, neither mans resume is overly impressive but hopkins was the more consistent fighter, edge to hopkins.

So, knockout victories do not count...because the fights are not finished. They end before the end. I get it. :?

[PowerPuncher]

Lennoxs reign at HW pisses on any reign from BHOPs, the division was so much tougher 1 of the best in HW history and Lennox always sought out the best. As for the P4P, its more questionable but lets not pretend Hopkins was fighting any bigger men with the possible exception of Tarver, Lennox fought more bigger men Vitali/Akiwande/Grant. Compare resumes:

Lennox

Holyfield
Vitali
Tyson
Tua
Rudduck
Golota
Grant
Akiwande
Bruno
Morrison
Mercer
Mason
McCall
Rahman
Tucker

Hopkins

Tito
Tarver
Wright
DLH
Holmes
Echols
Johnson
Joppy
Pavlik
Brown
Allen
Vanderpool
Eastman
Jackson

Lennox's certainly has more depth of quality, greater names (albeit past prime), Hopkins has done it in 2 divisions but the neither were as strong and the HWs obviously have a wider range of weights than 160-175

[Bummy Davis]

Lennox had some solid dominant wins. He had 2 bad KO loses but that is the heavyweight danger and the bigger they are the harder they fall. Bernard's early resume was weak and he got some good wins over blown up Welters his best wins IMO were at light heavweight and by an Older,stronger and more polished B-hopper Tarver, Pavlick, and a losing effort vs Calzage, although I did not like the cheap, faken a foul tactics that Clottley used vs Cotto, I thought B-Hop lost but put on a good effort. His fights against Taylor were good but he was weakened at 160.

Lewis had great blow-outs over Golota, Botha, Tyson,Grant, Rudduck, while fighting tough with Marovic,Mercer,Holyfield and winning smooth vs Tua...he showed versaility
He came out on top of a young Vitali and avenged his losses to McCall and an impressive KO over Rahman

This is close IMO