INTERESTING about Gerald McClellan.....

[IceJohnScully]

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"But then I looked more closely and he was blinking non-stop, the exact same way he was that one day in the Kronk gym when I hit him with that jab...blinking continuously...non stop....I couldn't believe it. Right then, I knew there was a connection to that one day that we sparred in the gym. We all know what happened to Gerald after that fight...
To this day, I believe Nigel Benn did not do that to Gerald. Gerald McClellan was hurt prior to the Nigel Benn fight and never knew it."

I will tell you another thing... look at the tape of Gerald in the ring after the first Julian Jackson fight..he tells HBO that he feels good despite the massive headache he is enduing at that moment... the next fight he had that went some distance was... the Benn fight... Just food for thought

[sues2nd]

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"But then I looked more closely and he was blinking non-stop, the exact same way he was that one day in the Kronk gym when I hit him with that jab...blinking continuously...non stop....I couldn't believe it. Right then, I knew there was a connection to that one day that we sparred in the gym. We all know what happened to Gerald after that fight...
To this day, I believe Nigel Benn did not do that to Gerald. Gerald McClellan was hurt prior to the Nigel Benn fight and never knew it."

I will tell you another thing... look at the tape of Gerald in the ring after the first Julian Jackson fight..he tells HBO that he feels good despite the massive headache he is enduing at that moment... the next fight he had that went some distance was... the Benn fight... Just food for thought


Ive always felt the same way.

Benn did damage to him...permanant damage....there is no arguing that. But to get the type of injuries and long term effects that Gerald endured, that couldnt have been all due to that one fight.

Still a very, very sad end to a very, very talented fighter.

[kg0208]

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"But then I looked more closely and he was blinking non-stop, the exact same way he was that one day in the Kronk gym when I hit him with that jab...blinking continuously...non stop....I couldn't believe it. Right then, I knew there was a connection to that one day that we sparred in the gym. We all know what happened to Gerald after that fight...
To this day, I believe Nigel Benn did not do that to Gerald. Gerald McClellan was hurt prior to the Nigel Benn fight and never knew it."

I will tell you another thing... look at the tape of Gerald in the ring after the first Julian Jackson fight..he tells HBO that he feels good despite the massive headache he is enduing at that moment... the next fight he had that went some distance was... the Benn fight... Just food for thought


Wow....never read that before. Good information. Did anyone ever tell Benn this?

[brooklyn1550]

Thanks for this....I always thought there was something wrong with McClellan even before the Benn fight. I know I'm not alone...

Something was not right

[SteveO]

I hope Nigel reads this. I know he feels horrible about what happened.

[Thread Stealer]

There has been reports for awhile that G-Man was already suffering from head problems after the first Jackson fight. I guess we won't know exactly to what extent his current condition came from the Benn fight and how much came from other fights (and his excessive drying out) going in.

[chimba]

Good post and info, he did looked off/odd... ala AAron Davis off..awkward

[SteveO]

Head injuries are very cumulative especially since the brain does not repair itself well, if at all.

Scientific studies of boxer's brains show the same neurofibrillary tangles that are present in the brains of persons with Alzheimer's.

Punches add up.

[El Bombasto]

Gerald was already hurt prior to the Benn fight, Nigel just finished him

[SteveO]

It's horrible what happened to Nigel but at the same karma is a bitch. This is the same guy who used to fight dogs and kill them execution style (ala Vick and others in the South). I've read some horrible things regarding what he used to do to these poor dogs.

I also read an article where they interviewed a friend of his. They were both at a mall, and the G-Man made sport of running down flamingos with his car in the parking lot.

But at the same time, I am sorry he is in his condition.

[TRUEBELIEVER 66]

It's horrible what happened to Nigel but at the same karma is a bitch. This is the same guy who used to fight dogs and kill them execution style (ala Vick and others in the South). I've read some horrible things regarding what he used to do to these poor dogs.
Indeed Karma is a bitch:deal not only did he kill dogs but ran over the FlamingoS :-( he was a sadistic fuck, and i know a lot of folks feel bad for him- BUT I SURE AS HELL DON'T..:twisted:

[sjc]

Fuck him, he was a scumbag and i'm glad he got fucked up, so there.

I do feel sorry for his sister though.

[David UK]

It's horrible what happened to Nigel but at the same karma is a bitch. This is the same guy who used to fight dogs and kill them execution style (ala Vick and others in the South). I've read some horrible things regarding what he used to do to these poor dogs.

There's a lesson in life for us all. What goes around comes around. I have no sympathy whatsoever for the McClellan scumbag. He got what he deserved

[Slicknick56]

:lol: because he killed dogs and flamingos?

[Lampley]

All McClellan threads end up in the same place. I'm staying away from this one, but to the original point, I think it's fairly obvious he brought a condition into the ring that night.

It doesn't do anything to detract from Benn's courageous performance, but it does illuminate the circumstances that led to tragedy.

[sjc]

:lol: because he killed dogs and flamingos?

:lol:

Yeah, since you mention it like that, there ain't nothing wrong with maiming / mutilating / torturing helpless animals for your own sick gratification.

Stand up guy that Gerald, I wish he was still walking around, doin that shit.

[dagame328]

Good story by Tarick Salmaci, he's a good guy.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Fuck him, he was a scumbag and i'm glad he got fucked up, so there.

I do feel sorry for his sister though.

the woman who said 'we want benn's money, then we want him dead!'? fuck her too, of course i have sympathy for her having to look after her POS brother for the rest of his/her life, but she said some fucking unnecessary shit after that fight.

benn attempted suicide, that fight ruined him, but all she wanted was revenge and for benn to suffer.

[bill poster]

Nigel Benn is a great guy and I hope he reads this thread- despite his losses in the uk he achieved arguably more ( by beating the best in usa and holding a legit belt) than any british fighter i can think of.

[Bigcat]

There's a lesson in life for us all. What goes around comes around. I have no sympathy whatsoever for the McClellan scumbag. He got what he deserved

bit harsh

[Bigcat]

i often watch Oliver McCall when he throws a lot of his combinations, he blinks three / four times on his way in .. (its very odd to watch) I guess its morelike anticipation of getting caught by a counter punch.. That is a very good observation Iceman, Gerald won his title on a night that i was in another fighters team at the thomas and mack.. I remember how he used to touch his forehead during fights and blink.. its a shame, i did like him..

[dangerousity]

Humans > animals. He maybe deserved to go to prison but he certainly doesn't deserve to be disabled for life.

You're a fucking idiot.

If you have pets, specially dogs and some guy comes over and starts cutting them up, torturing them for fun...im sure you'd just shake his hands cos his life is more valuable than your animals...

[dangerousity]

I haven't the time, nor inclination, to deal with your moronic ass.

You can make no comparison without knowing me and you can't make a judgement on McLellan without knowing him. In short, you're an idiot.

Yet you are making judgement on him by reffering to him as an idiot...without knowing him. Hypocrite?

[Shake]

I'm convinced it was actually Jackson that put the timebomb in there.

[dangerousity]

Ok, to answer your first point:

My contention still stands – humans are worth more than animals. If someone was to brutalise my pets (though I don’t own any), sure I might lamp them one or call the police, but I certainly wouldn’t kill them.

I’m not celebrating Mclellan if he did what is often accused of him, but there is still no reason to wish mental illness on him.

Second:

I am referring to him as an idiot not because I am judging him, but simply on the basis of his ignorant and callous “opinion” which revolves around a ridiculous notion that killing dogs means you deserve to die.

That is idiotic – hence, he is an idiot.

Well I guess we differ in opinon. I do not care for the life itself, but the person. A psychotic murderer in prison can rot in hell for all I care, his life is meaningless to me, infact it is a nuisance and so is its existance. My pet's would bring more joy to me than some psycho's life therefore I would choose my pet, an animals life over that psycho'shuman life. I believe it is the same for everyone wether they know it or not. People would be very sad if their dog died today, yet millions die everyday but they couldnt care less because they dont know those people and their lives have no bearing on theirs. Between spending £1000 a year to feed some starving kid in africa and feeding their dog, most people would choose their dog. So in that sense, yes I put more value on a person rather than what kind of life it is, animal or human. In this case I believe Mclellan to be a scum so I really couldnt care less for him.

You are judging him based on his post and calling him an idiot. The other poster is judging Mclellan based on his actions of cruelty against animals and calling him a scum. Sounds very simmilar to me. You dont know Bin Laden or Saddam but Im sure youve judged him based on what you know of them...this poster is simply doing the same thing with Gerald.

[gutto]

all a bit harsh for me a shame imo i enjoyed his fights but no hiding from what goes around comes around but had to be more than a bit of dog fighting to warent that imo

[TRUEBELIEVER 66]

There's a lesson in life for us all. What goes around comes around. I have no sympathy whatsoever for the McClellan scumbag. He got what he deserved
:good Pretty much sums it up!!

[ThePlugInBabies]

Benn attempted suicide in 1998 because he was addicted to sex. It didn't go public until years after

he also talked of suicide due to what happened that night in '95 when he was interviewed by itv not so long ago prior to the fund raiser for gerald.

[C Money]

About 2 weeks later, Gerald leaves to England for the Nigel Benn fight. I'm watching it on Showtime from Florida. I thought Benn was finished in the first round. (NOTE: If that fight was held in the US, Benn would have not been allowed to continue!) I couldn't believe the comeback he made. It was amazing, but then, all of a sudden, in the 10th round, Gerald just takes a knee and appears to quit. I couldn't believe it because the Gerald I knew would never quit, no matter what. But then I looked more closely and he was blinking non-stop, the exact same way he was that one day in the Kronk gym when I hit him with that jab...blinking continuosley...non stop....I couldn't believe it. Right then, I knew there was a connection to that one day that we sparred in the gym. We all know what happened to Gerald after that fight...


It was also PHYSICALLY and FORCEFULLY INLUENCED AND HELPED BY REFEREE ALFRED ASARO!! :twisted: :fire Allowing it to continue wasnt as BLATANTANTLY TERRIBLE as the interfering, bad timing, pushing off, and admonishing that TOOK PLACE after the KD!!! There was over 2 minutes left and Benn was in no mans land. Without Asaro's biased OR APPARENTLY PAID MIS PERFORMANCE?? It's at least very likely that Benn never makes it out of the 1st round.

Without Asaro? It would have been McClelland KO 1 and perhaps not suffering the hemorrhage as he hadnt taken many shots to that point:nono Maybe he could have gotten tested afterwards and had different choices and options. What he was getting piad and how Mcclellan got used is beyond:-((

Ultimately, that tragedy is a BLACK EYE on the SPORT!! McClellAn had more bills and problems the function and money and there was VERY INADEQUATE SUPPORT. It clearly indicates a need for some improvement in the financial and medical handling of its fighters in cases like this. Credit Roy Jones Jr, who was a real friend to McClellan, and pot his money where his heart was at.

If McClellan was hurt before as is suggested? Raises some more questions :-(

I STILL SAY :fy :finger :finger5 to the REFEREE. I wonder how well he sleeps at night:huh

[Marnoff]

Indeed Karma is a bitch:deal not only did he kill dogs but ran over the FlamingoS :-( he was a sadistic fuck, and i know a lot of folks feel bad for him- BUT I SURE AS HELL DON'T..:twisted:

I have no sympathy for animal abusers either. An animal can't defend itself.

[Marnoff]

Humans > animals. He maybe deserved to go to prison but he certainly doesn't deserve to be disabled for life.

You're a fucking idiot.

So because you view humans as greater than animals, that gives humans a license to kill? What a retard argument you've made.

[C Money]

I'm avidly AGAINST Mistreating and dog fighting AND you can view McClellan however you want as a person but what happened at that event WAS BS!! I've been VERY CRITICAL of Michael Vick, but I dont feel deciding him to be comatose a fair or rational solution.

The type of corrupt, neglectful, and shameful behaviour that makes everyone look BAD, and DEFILES the credibility and respect of everyone involved.

Whatever someone thinks McClellan deserved for the things he did?
It wasnt for Alfred Asaro to decide:nono

[Marnoff]

I'm avidly AGAINST Mistreating and dog fighting AND you can view McClellan however you want as a person but what happened at that event WAS BS!! I've been VERY CRITICAL of Michael Vick, but I dont feel deciding him to be comatose a fair or rational solution.

You don't have to wish for a person to become comatose, but you sure as fuck don't have to feel bad either. Child abusers and animal abusers are the worst scum on the planet.

[Relentless]

child abusers and animal abusers are not the same.

[C Money]

You don't have to wish for a person to become comatose, but you sure as fuck don't have to feel bad either. Child abusers and animal abusers are the worst scum on the planet.

I didnt say one should FEEL BAD on a personal level.

My PROBLEM with what took place isnt anything PERSONAL. The outcome was biased and interfered with. That's fucked in terms of the sport's credibility and respect.

The subsequent mishandling and lack of support for the resultant tragedy is absurd and keep in mind COULD HAPPEN TO ANYONE. I tend to think you might feel a little different if say, Floyd had cotto out in the first round, the ref does what Asaro did, gets Cotto through the round, and Cotto then comes back and leaves floyd basically in a coma?

How would that make you feel??


I agree in that I HATE CHILD ABUSERS AND THOSE WHO FIGHT, HURT, TORTURE, MAIM, MISTREAT, AND KILL DOMESTICATED ANIMALS!!

Those things have nothing to do with Benn vs McClellan.

[C Money]

child abusers and animal abusers are not the same.


perhaps in some cases. But I find that once either group has crossed certain lines? I have just as little regard for both.

[Marnoff]

child abusers and animal abusers are not the same.

They're both scum.

[Marnoff]

I didnt say one should FEEL BAD on a personal level.

My PROBLEM with what took place isnt anything PERSONAL. The outcome was biased and interfered with. That's fucked in terms of the sport's credibility and respect.

The subsequent mishandling and lack of support for the resultant tragedy is absurd and keep in mind COULD HAPPEN TO ANYONE. I tend to think you might feel a little different if say, Floyd had cotto out in the first round, the ref does what Asaro did, gets Cotto through the round, and Cotto then comes back and leaves floyd basically in a coma?

How would that make you feel??


I agree in that I HATE CHILD ABUSERS AND THOSE WHO FIGHT, HURT, TORTURE, MAIM, MISTREAT, AND KILL DOMESTICATED ANIMALS!!

Those things have nothing to do with Benn vs McClellan.

My point isn't that I'm happy someone was punched into a coma. My point is that I don't feel bad for someone who is in a coma, who was a scumbag when he wasn't. That has nothing to do with boxing or how it happened, I just have no remorse for someone who brought unnecessary harm to creatures just because he could.

[Wige247]

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"But then I looked more closely and he was blinking non-stop, the exact same way he was that one day in the Kronk gym when I hit him with that jab...blinking continuously...non stop....I couldn't believe it. Right then, I knew there was a connection to that one day that we sparred in the gym. We all know what happened to Gerald after that fight...
To this day, I believe Nigel Benn did not do that to Gerald. Gerald McClellan was hurt prior to the Nigel Benn fight and never knew it."

I will tell you another thing... look at the tape of Gerald in the ring after the first Julian Jackson fight..he tells HBO that he feels good despite the massive headache he is enduing at that moment... the next fight he had that went some distance was... the Benn fight... Just food for thought

Write in a font that we can read w/o highlighting the text. Everytime you write like this, you're just screaming "I'm an asshole!"

[IceJohnScully]

Write in a font that we can read w/o highlighting the text. Everytime you write like this, you're just screaming "I'm an asshole!"

Dear Killer. You, my friend, are the first one to complain....and even if everybody else thought it they commented enough for me to know they were able to read it. Actually, and don't tell anybody, but I did it that way on purpose because I knew you in particular would have a lot of trouble with. I, my friend, was out to get you.

[bigeddie27]

If you have pets, specially dogs and some guy comes over and starts cutting them up, torturing them for fun...im sure you'd just shake his hands cos his life is more valuable than your animals...
Ok but on the same token its not like mcllelan was doing this to other's people property. If some guy came in my house or in my yard and cut up my dog he is:

a: trespassing
b: robbing me of the money i spent on the dog
c: disrespecting my house
d: will probably get shot and killed because i have the right of self defense on that one not knowing what he would do next.

now if my dog ran loose and some guy found him and killed him. I would probably not be as mad because all he did was:

a: robbing me of the money i spent on the dog (which I cannot really be mad about because the dog got loose and thats on me)

So that comment you made was a terrible analogy. And btw, animals aren't people. We eat animals. We kill animals every day. I dont even think someone should go to jail for fighting dogs. I believe it should be legal.

[Marnoff]

Where did I say that?

If you want to talk about retard arguments, then don't post one that actually wins the Illiterate of the Week Prize.

I am saying that the mistreatment of an animal, while cruel and deserving of punishment, does not equate to wishing brain damage on someone.

This is not a difficult statement: Mclellan is a human being who, more than likely, is mentally ill to have enjoyed the alleged acts. He deserved treatment, not brain damage.

You did in fact say it though. No reason to dodge what you actually said.

[pit]

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"But then I looked more closely and he was blinking non-stop, the exact same way he was that one day in the Kronk gym when I hit him with that jab...blinking continuously...non stop....I couldn't believe it. Right then, I knew there was a connection to that one day that we sparred in the gym. We all know what happened to Gerald after that fight...
To this day, I believe Nigel Benn did not do that to Gerald. Gerald McClellan was hurt prior to the Nigel Benn fight and never knew it."

I will tell you another thing... look at the tape of Gerald in the ring after the first Julian Jackson fight..he tells HBO that he feels good despite the massive headache he is enduing at that moment... the next fight he had that went some distance was... the Benn fight... Just food for thought


I did a thread on this already , Julian jackson is quoted as saying that Gerald was Seriously complaining of headache in his dressing room after there fight.

[pit]

Fuck him, he was a scumbag and i'm glad he got fucked up, so there.

I do feel sorry for his sister though.

Why is it that every time there a thread written about Gerald you fucks always fucking spam it.

some of us do not share your opinion of Gerald, nor do we share your opinion of Animals over people .

This thread is about Gerold and his injuries he sustained during his career that led to his current state.

you should respect that .

[Mankind]

Fuck him, he was a scumbag and i'm glad he got fucked up, so there.

I do feel sorry for his sister though.

you're a fucked up dude:-(

[Mankind]

It was also PHYSICALLY and FORCEFULLY INLUENCED AND HELPED BY REFEREE ALFRED ASARO!! :twisted: :fire Allowing it to continue wasnt as BLATANTANTLY TERRIBLE as the interfering, bad timing, pushing off, and admonishing that TOOK PLACE after the KD!!! There was over 2 minutes left and Benn was in no mans land. Without Asaro's biased OR APPARENTLY PAID MIS PERFORMANCE?? It's at least very likely that Benn never makes it out of the 1st round.

Without Asaro? It would have been McClelland KO 1 and perhaps not suffering the hemorrhage as he hadnt taken many shots to that point:nono Maybe he could have gotten tested afterwards and had different choices and options. What he was getting piad and how Mcclellan got used is beyond:-((

Ultimately, that tragedy is a BLACK EYE on the SPORT!! McClellAn had more bills and problems the function and money and there was VERY INADEQUATE SUPPORT. It clearly indicates a need for some improvement in the financial and medical handling of its fighters in cases like this. Credit Roy Jones Jr, who was a real friend to McClellan, and pot his money where his heart was at.

If McClellan was hurt before as is suggested? Raises some more questions :-(

I STILL SAY :fy :finger :finger5 to the REFEREE. I wonder how well he sleeps at night:huh


Yea that lousy referee prevented McClellan from knocked Benn the Fuck out early with all his interfereing.:twisted:

[C Money]

My point isn't that I'm happy someone was punched into a coma. My point is that I don't feel bad for someone who is in a coma, who was a scumbag when he wasn't. That has nothing to do with boxing or how it happened, I just have no remorse for someone who brought unnecessary harm to creatures just because he could.

Nor do I suggest you should. Remove McClellan and Benn and insert two other names:yep

It was a TRAGEDY that could and :-( ly did PLAY OUT. It exposes issues and problems that the sport could and should address in a better manner from both management, insurance, and medical perspectives:good

Like I said, If its the Floyd/Cotto scenario? Neither man has hurt animals and children to any public knowledge, would handling it the same way there, make sense to you?


:lol: We already KNOW the answer:good AND? You'd BE RIGHT:hey

My problem with the whole thing goes beyond the individual's.

[El Bombasto]

They're both scum.

:yep

[Ethan Trims]

I am saying that the mistreatment of an animal, while cruel and deserving of punishment, does not equate to wishing brain damage on someone.

This is not a difficult statement: Mclellan is a human being who, more than likely, is mentally ill to have enjoyed the alleged acts. He deserved treatment, not brain damage.

Stfu, anyone can wish anything on anyone with out having to be punished by the law. Youre a giant fucking hypocrite and obsessed with this topic, which makes me wonder about your true motives.

You are right though, animal abuse is not equal to wishing things on people. Id say it's worse.

[Ethan Trims]

Ok but on the same token its not like mcllelan was doing this to other's people property. If some guy came in my house or in my yard and cut up my dog he is:

a: trespassing
b: robbing me of the money i spent on the dog
c: disrespecting my house
d: will probably get shot and killed because i have the right of self defense on that one not knowing what he would do next.

now if my dog ran loose and some guy found him and killed him. I would probably not be as mad because all he did was:

a: robbing me of the money i spent on the dog (which I cannot really be mad about because the dog got loose and thats on me)

So that comment you made was a terrible analogy. And btw, animals aren't people. We eat animals. We kill animals every day. I dont even think someone should go to jail for fighting dogs. I believe it should be legal.




I cant fault ya man for you personally thinking and feeling something should be legal. Hell, I think it should be legal for me to fuck your mom in the ass and steal her car. Anarchy baby.

[Relentless]

i killed quiet a few mouses and roaches, do i deserve to be brain damaged?

[Ethan Trims]

i killed quiet a few mouses and roaches, do i deserve to be brain damaged?

How can you deserve something you already have?

[El Bombasto]

How can you deserve something you already have?

:lol:

[Relentless]

How can you deserve something you already have?

did i deserve to get it in the first place?

[Ethan Trims]

did i deserve to get it in the first place?

What the hell do mouses and cockroaches have to do with killing a puppy? Those animals are pests and nuisances, not quite the same as killing a store bought puppy and feeding it to a pitbull.

Why do I have to explain this to you, damn you dumb.

[griff]

Check out the first McClellan/Jackson fight...he started blinking it that war.

[Ethan Trims]

ohh poo hoo who gives a fuck if he was into dog fighting.. Killing cocroaches, rats, dog, cats, pigs, cows, and chickens are all same shit.. So what if he killed a few dogs, does he deserve to be braindead for the rest of his life? Hell no... We kill millions of animals to eat so there's nothing wrong with dog fighting... It's all the same..

Real intelligent response, but humans are animals too. Hey, animals are all the same. Humans equal cockroaches in your view.

[Marnoff]

Nor do I suggest you should. Remove McClellan and Benn and insert two other names:yep

It was a TRAGEDY that could and :-( ly did PLAY OUT. It exposes issues and problems that the sport could and should address in a better manner from both management, insurance, and medical perspectives:good

Like I said, If its the Floyd/Cotto scenario? Neither man has hurt animals and children to any public knowledge, would handling it the same way there, make sense to you?


:lol: We already KNOW the answer:good AND? You'd BE RIGHT:hey

My problem with the whole thing goes beyond the individual's.

I see what you're saying. See what I'm saying as well.

[Marnoff]

You claim i said:



Ok, let's examine what i said:



Ok - this part says that human life is worth more than an animals.



And here I say that killing an animal doesn't mean you deserve to be brain damaged.

if from that you have inferred that I said humans have a licence to kill animals then, clearly, you need to work on your comprehension skills, because I say nothing even pertaining to that sentiment.

I'm not dodging anything, you just don't seem to be able to read a simple sentence stating a very simple opinion.

I'll quote myself to conclude this discussion:

Explain to me why you bother offering the premise that humans are more important than animals. Explain why you even brought it up, because aside from justifying what he did, there was no point.

[Marnoff]

How can you deserve something you already have?

No kidding.

[Orishaman]

Well...Benn didn't do it but he finished it...unfortunately....but it could have been anybody that was going to finish...it happened to be Benn....

[Ethan Trims]

I don't think you understand what hypocrite means.

Either way, I have my opinion and you have yours, my "obsession" isn't with Mclellan, it's that I don't like people telling me what I'm saying when they have clearly misunderstood.

Not really much to misunderstand.

You think its wrong for people on this topic to wish harm on mcclellan. The important thing is no one is actually carrying out these so called revenge acts so thats all you need to know for you to shut the fuck, and worry about something else other than what people wish.

[Stickandmove]

Mcclellan had a great chin, but a terrible defence; a recipe for disaster when facing murderous punchers like Jackson and Benn. The 1st fight against Jackson probably caused a lot of damage, and the Benn fight compounded that damage to a critical degree.

How did Benn escape brain damage though? He faced a lot of big punchers and took a lot of big punches....................perhaps it was lucky he never faced Julian Jackson.

[ThePlugInBabies]

It was also PHYSICALLY and FORCEFULLY INLUENCED AND HELPED BY REFEREE ALFRED ASARO!! :twisted: :fire Allowing it to continue wasnt as BLATANTANTLY TERRIBLE as the interfering, bad timing, pushing off, and admonishing that TOOK PLACE after the KD!!! There was over 2 minutes left and Benn was in no mans land. Without Asaro's biased OR APPARENTLY PAID MIS PERFORMANCE?? It's at least very likely that Benn never makes it out of the 1st round.

Without Asaro? It would have been McClelland KO 1 and perhaps not suffering the hemorrhage as he hadnt taken many shots to that point:nono Maybe he could have gotten tested afterwards and had different choices and options. What he was getting piad and how Mcclellan got used is beyond:-((

Ultimately, that tragedy is a BLACK EYE on the SPORT!! McClellAn had more bills and problems the function and money and there was VERY INADEQUATE SUPPORT. It clearly indicates a need for some improvement in the financial and medical handling of its fighters in cases like this. Credit Roy Jones Jr, who was a real friend to McClellan, and pot his money where his heart was at.

If McClellan was hurt before as is suggested? Raises some more questions :-(

I STILL SAY :fy :finger :finger5 to the REFEREE. I wonder how well he sleeps at night:huh

i'm sick of this fucking myth that benn was given too much time to get back in the ring and should have been counted out for not getting back in 10. here's a rule i bet you didn't know existed...

"If a boxer is knocked out of the ring, he gets a count of 20 to get back in and on his feet. He cannot be assisted."

you give too much attention to the ref and too little credit to benn.

[David UK]

i'm sick of this fucking myth that benn was given too much time to get back in the ring and should have been counted out for not getting back in 10. here's a rule i bet you didn't know existed...

"If a boxer is knocked out of the ring, he gets a count of 20 to get back in and on his feet. He cannot be assisted."

you give too much attention to the ref and too little credit to benn.

You are spot on PluginBaby. So many posters on ESB are either kids or blokes(mainly American) that no almost nothing about boxing. In addition to your above example I will supply two others:-

1) The ignorance of how to score a fight, leading to many thinking that Collazo should have received the decision over Hatton.

2) A thread a few months back entitled 'Who wins? Prime Hagler v Prime Plopkins? Not only that, but Plopkins received more votes!!!!:patsch

[PowerPuncher]

It was also PHYSICALLY and FORCEFULLY INLUENCED AND HELPED BY REFEREE ALFRED ASARO!! :twisted: :fire Allowing it to continue wasnt as BLATANTANTLY TERRIBLE as the interfering, bad timing, pushing off, and admonishing that TOOK PLACE after the KD!!! There was over 2 minutes left and Benn was in no mans land. Without Asaro's biased OR APPARENTLY PAID MIS PERFORMANCE?? It's at least very likely that Benn never makes it out of the 1st round.

Without Asaro? It would have been McClelland KO 1 and perhaps not suffering the hemorrhage as he hadnt taken many shots to that point:nono Maybe he could have gotten tested afterwards and had different choices and options. What he was getting piad and how Mcclellan got used is beyond:-((

Ultimately, that tragedy is a BLACK EYE on the SPORT!! McClellAn had more bills and problems the function and money and there was VERY INADEQUATE SUPPORT. It clearly indicates a need for some improvement in the financial and medical handling of its fighters in cases like this. Credit Roy Jones Jr, who was a real friend to McClellan, and pot his money where his heart was at.

If McClellan was hurt before as is suggested? Raises some more questions :-(

I STILL SAY :fy :finger :finger5 to the REFEREE. I wonder how well he sleeps at night:huh

Benn was allowed 20seconds for falling out of the ring - that is the rule. The ref was incompetant but its not his fault McCellan used his face as his defensive guard

[El Bombasto]

You are spot on PluginBaby. So many posters on ESB are either kids or blokes(mainly American) that no almost nothing about boxing. In addition to your above example I will supply two others:-

1) The ignorance of how to score a fight, leading to many thinking that Collazo should have received the decision over Hatton.

2) A thread a few months back entitled 'Who wins? Prime Hagler v Prime Plopkins? Not only that, but Plopkins received more votes!!!!:patsch

Agreed, though Hatton barely beat Collazo IMO

[C Money]

The WORST of the referee's terrible performance took place AFTER THE KD. I never said that he shouldnt have been allowed to continue:nono :nono


wasnt as BLATANTANTLY TERRIBLE as the interfering, bad timing, pushing off, and admonishing that TOOK PLACE after the KD!!! There was over 2 minutes left and Benn was in no mans land. Without Asaro's biased OR APPARENTLY PAID MIS PERFORMANCE?? It's at least very likely that Benn never makes it out of the 1st round.


The referee is a huge piece of shit that ALTERED THE REALITY OF THAT FIGHT:yep Yes, Benn should have been allowed to continue and McClellan SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO FINISH:good Asaro made SURE that didnt happen:-(

[ThePlugInBabies]

he was poor yes, but the g-man still had chances to take benn out in that round when he had him in the ropes but didn't take them. tough fucking shit, benn survived, and went onto to tragically batter gerald.

[C Money]

he was poor yes, but the g-man still had chances to take benn out in that round when he had him in the ropes but didn't take them. tough fucking shit, benn survived, and went onto to tragically batter gerald.

What about THE CHANCES HE SHOULD HAVE HAD AND WAS DENIED:huh

McClellan didnt hip toss Benn out of the ring, he EARNED his opportunities, which where then DENIED.

Tough fucking shit??:lol: More like, BULL FUCKING SHIT:yep

The resultant tragedy just amplifies how wrong it was and illustrates that combatants and athletes putiing it ALL ON THE LINE, have a right to a fair and unbiased fight. Let actions speak, not ref's INTERFERE:nono

It was AND WILL ALWAYS BE A FUCKING DISGRACE on the sport.