Duran challenges Benitez instead of Palomino

[PowerPuncher]

How does it go down. A repeat of their fight? Or does Montreal Duran have mystical powers :D

[Flea Man]

The Duran that faced Palomino was a wee bit fleshy, not the Montreal Duran, but he was far more up for that fight than he would be for any version of Benitez IMO.

Benitez still wins a decision, as he's slightly darker than Duran, that is after all what you want to here is it not PP?

[Sister Sledge]

Fighters like Duran seem made for Benitez' style. Wilfred was much harder to hit as cleanly as SRL was, so Roberto would always have a much tougher fight with Wilfred. Benitez would never try to trade with Duran. Benitez by close UD.

[Boxed Ears]

The Duran that faced Palomino was a wee bit fleshy, not the Montreal Duran, but he was far more up for that fight than he would be for any version of Benitez IMO.

Benitez still wins a decision, as he's slightly darker than Duran, that is after all what you want to here is it not PP?

:lol:

[MAG1965]

How does it go down. A repeat of their fight? Or does Montreal Duran have mystical powers :DBenitez would not fight Duran's fight like Ray did,and Benitez was faster than Duran. Wilfred wins a 15 round decision over Duran similar to how he beat Duran a year or two after this fight would have happened.

[arther1045]

The Duran that faced Palomino was a wee bit fleshy, not the Montreal Duran, but he was far more up for that fight than he would be for any version of Benitez IMO.

Benitez still wins a decision, as he's slightly darker than Duran, that is after all what you want to here is it not PP?


Duran beats Benitez in 1979. Too much for Benitez at that point.

[The Wanderer]

Duran was at his most effective when he could do at least one of the following three things:

1. Bully a guy.
2. Go to war inside with him.
3. Counter him.

I don't think Benitez ever gives him a chance to consistently do any of those. As such, it would always be, at best, an extremely difficult fight for Duran.

That said, the version of Duran from Montreal or from the Palomino fight would almost surely do better than the version of him that stepped into the ring against Benitez.

[WhataRock]

From the first Curry fight to the Leonard fight...how do people feel about Wilfredo's welterweight form overall?

[Flea Man]

From the first Curry fight to the Leonard fight...how do people feel about Wilfredo's welterweight form overall?

Pissed about and coasted with lesser opponents.

No dishonour from the Leonard fight; stupid stoppage anyway.

I think he proved he still had a lot to offer post-147 with Maurice Hope.

[WhataRock]

I think he lacked motivation there outside the ring..Young, unbeaten maybe a little arrogant didnt think he needed to train that hard...his training habits for some of his fights at welter seemed to be stuff of legend in regards to the shortness and lack of intensity in his training camps but Ive read plenty of reports he teared it up in training for the Duran and Hearns bout.

I dont know if Benitez had the mental strength back then...He had the skills, size and style but I dont know if he was matured enough in 79 to take on an animal like Roberto. You cant underestimate the mental aspect of Roberto's performance in Montreal.

[MAG1965]

some people do seem to think Wilfred Benitez best weight was 154 since he trained and looked almost more complete as a fighter at 154. Beating Duran and going 15 with Hearns in a good effort did not hurt that thinking. 154 was a good weight for him.

[JohnThomas1]

I give Benitez a good chance here and am glad to see others do too.

[GPater11093]

From the first Curry fight to the Leonard fight...how do people feel about Wilfredo's welterweight form overall?

As Flea summed up he was almost disinterested but at times he showed excellance i.e the Palomino fight, Weston II etc...

The Palomino fight IMO is one of Benitez's best performances he just out classed Palomino in every department at all times. The 14th round where he goes to the ropes offering to fight in Palomino's office and then he trades with Palomino and makes him look like a bum, it was pure poetry and just amazing.

I think he lacked motivation there outside the ring..Young, unbeaten maybe a little arrogant didnt think he needed to train that hard...his training habits for some of his fights at welter seemed to be stuff of legend in regards to the shortness and lack of intensity in his training camps but Ive read plenty of reports he teared it up in training for the Duran and Hearns bout.

I dont know if Benitez had the mental strength back then...He had the skills, size and style but I dont know if he was matured enough in 79 to take on an animal like Roberto. You cant underestimate the mental aspect of Roberto's performance in Montreal.

Good points about the mental strength. At times he looked brilliant against Leonard but he coasted, was it because he didnt want to try his best so he would have an excuse? Is that why he trained little, tp have an excuse?

Sorry to bring this thread up, just it is interesting.

[Lobotomy]

One rap on Benitez was that he didn't take a particularly good punch on the chin. Like Palomino, Duran would have been going to Wilfred's body, where Benitez could take it extremely well. Duran was better defensively than Carlos, and he didn't start slowly like Palomino was notorious for doing.

I don't think Wilfred had the physical or mental maturity at 147 to beat the Duran of Palomino and Montreal. He could be out hustled, and I think Roberto would be just the man to do it. The best version of Benitez was the one who decisioned Duran at 154. Although it was a clear UD win, it wasn't a complete scorecard blowout.

[Clinton]

People forget Carlos Palomino lost a split decision to Wilfred in Puerto Rico around the same time Duran beat Carlos far more convincingly.I think Lobotomy's assessment is dead on.

[Titan1]

I think Wilfred takes a UD by a a good margin, but probably closer than the 82 verdict was.If he didn't train for Roberto like the Leonard fight, however, he would dearly pay for it, and Roberto would stop him late.

[red cobra]

Benitez had Duran's number.

[Il Duce]

At Madison Square Garden,,,,,,,,

Well, if that fight took place in 1978,,,,,,,,,,can't you just see Roberto Duran pummeling
Wilfred in the middle rounds, then stopping him in 10.

Then jump over the ropes, and start pounding on PaPa Benetiz,,,,,,,,,

[Titan1]

At Madison Square Garden,,,,,,,,

Well, if that fight took place in 1978,,,,,,,,,,can't you just see Roberto Duran pummeling
Wilfred in the middle rounds, then stopping him in 10.

Then jump over the ropes, and start pounding on PaPa Benetiz,,,,,,,,,


That scenario, I would love to see!:good

[Pachilles]

Duran

[Bokaj]

It's quite interesting that Leonard, when commentating Benitez-Duran, says that Duran was stronger in Montreal than in New Orleans. He's clear about there being a significant difference. I'm amazed that he's that honest about it and see no reason to doubt his word.

[Il Duce]

The Duran vs. Benetiz fight for a possible 1977 or 1978 time in Madison Square Garden
would have been done, if it wasn't for;

PaPa 'I'm a Lunatic' Benetiz,,,,,,,,,changing weight levels and money demands.

[teeto]

Duran

:deal

[bodhi]

The Duran that faced Palomino was a wee bit fleshy, not the Montreal Duran, but he was far more up for that fight than he would be for any version of Benitez IMO.

Benitez still wins a decision, as he's slightly darker than Duran, that is after all what you want to here is it not PP?

:deal

[bodhi]

It's quite interesting that Leonard, when commentating Benitez-Duran, says that Duran was stronger in Montreal than in New Orleans. He's clear about there being a significant difference. I'm amazed that he's that honest about it and see no reason to doubt his word.

That´s one thing I always admire about Leoneard. He seems to be a brutally honest guy, with himself and others. Most boxers aren´t.

[Bokaj]

That´s one thing I always admire about Leoneard. He seems to be a brutally honest guy, with himself and others. Most boxers aren´t.

It's him and Tyson more or less. The rest range from being almost delusional to just lacking a bit of perspective.

[Bokaj]

That´s one thing I always admire about Leoneard. He seems to be a brutally honest guy, with himself and others. Most boxers aren´t.

It's funny also that many Duran and Hagler fans protrait Leonard as this sly, dishonest sneak when he's actually much more honest about things than they are.

[Il Duce]

Sugar Ray Leonard had an absolutely brilliant manager/lawyer..............Mike Trainer

Everything went thru him.......down to the color of the towels in the hotel suites.

[bodhi]

It's him and Tyson more or less. The rest range from being almost delusional to just lacking a bit of perspective.

Young Tyson, yeah. :good When he got older he got a bit delusional. But yeah. :good



It's funny also that many Duran and Hagler fans protrait Leonard as this sly, dishonest sneak when he's actually much more honest about things than they are.

Well, he was, when it came to matchmaking. Everything had to go his way and he took the matches when he knew every advantages were on his side. That´s the bad thing. The good thing is, he knew it and is honest about it. But I can see where the dislike for him comes from. I have huge respect for the guy.

[duranimal]

It's funny also that many Duran and Hagler fans protrait Leonard as this sly, dishonest sneak when he's actually much more honest about things than they are.

:yep Yep there's one born every minute:lol:

Yeh a most recent phenom once he'd realised & could'nt understand why he is the least popular of the fab 4 & only honest enough to admit he's a dishonest dishonourable manipulative treacherous cunt once he realised what the popular consenus actually is & now has flipped the issue into now trawling for votes from the geneticly like-minded & he's got your vote in the bag:hey

[PowerPuncher]

I watched this fight again the other day, very ver underrated win, Benitez's footwork/defense and countering completely neutralised Duran early, great performance, at 147 he takes it, at 140 he may well not be developed enough

[Il Duce]

A bit of History.

When the proposed bout between Wilfred Benetiz and Roberto Duran at
Madison Square Garden for November 1977 fell through or 'was a markeing ploy'.

Don King had offered Wilfred Benetiz (PaPa Benetiz) a 2-fight deal for $150,000,
if he would sign to fight Carlos Palomino.
This offer was made in April/May 1977, even before the Benetiz-Duran fight was
discussed.

Of course they passed, and took that 'made up title' NYSAC Light Welterweight Championship, August 1977,
against Ray Chavez Guerrero for $40,000.

In February 1978, just before fighting Bruce Curry in the rematch, Benetiz signed an agreement to fight Carlos Palomino.

Carlos Palomino had just defended his tite with a Knock-out over Ryu Sorimachi.
Palomino was lining up his title fights for 1978 and 1979.

[Bokaj]

Well, he was, when it came to matchmaking. Everything had to go his way and he took the matches when he knew every advantages were on his side. That´s the bad thing. The good thing is, he knew it and is honest about it. But I can see where the dislike for him comes from. I have huge respect for the guy.

Thing is, most probably try to play the angles, but few admit to it.

[Bokaj]

:yep Yep there's one born every minute:lol:

Yeh a most recent phenom once he'd realised & could'nt understand why he is the least popular of the fab 4 & only honest enough to admit he's a dishonest dishonourable manipulative treacherous cunt once he realised what the popular consenus actually is & now has flipped the issue into now trawling for votes from the geneticly like-minded & he's got your vote in the bag:hey


Yeah, that's probably one of Leonard's gravest concerns. How he is viewed by the Internet boxing nerds of this world. Too bad for him that there are those like you who just won't be duped. If guys like you aren't the true heroes of today, I don't know who is. Don't stray from the path, even though it's a cold and lonely one. Remember that you're doing this for all of us.

[PowerPuncher]

Yeah, that's probably one of Leonard's gravest concerns. How he is viewed by the Internet boxing nerds of this world. Too bad for him that there are those like you who just won't be duped. If guys like you aren't the true heroes of today, I don't know who is. Don't stray from the path, even though it's a cold and lonely one. Remember that you're doing this for all of us.

Leonard strikes me as a very self deprecating modest man compared to many of the big egos in the sport. Many downplay his achievements because of this

[Bokaj]

Leonard strikes me as a very self deprecating modest man compared to many of the big egos in the sport. Many downplay his achievements because of this

Guys like Holmes, Duran, Frazier, Foreman and Hagler come off as they still carry a large chip on their shoulder. And I thought Lewis was being quite smug too when interviewed recently. An excuse for every loss and don't give much of a due to the guys that beat them.

Tyson and Leonard are among the few that are upfront with losses they suffered or should have suffered. I respect that a lot.

[Pachilles]

Guys like Holmes, Duran, Frazier, Foreman and Hagler come off as they still carry a large chip on their shoulder. And I thought Lewis was being quite smug too when interviewed recently. An excuse for every loss and don't give much of a due to the guys that beat them.

Tyson and Leonard are among the few that are upfront with losses they suffered or should have suffered. I respect that a lot.

Guys like Holmes, Duran, Frazier and Foreman are just MEN. Double man, raw meat eating bastards.

Lewis has that kind of chip on his shoulder that those gay people who try to hard to be bitchy girls have

[Il Duce]

Its not always what goes on in the ring,,,,,,,50% of the boxing game is what goes on outside the ring.

The stuff we don't get to see.

Just who knew the S**T that was going on between all these 'big money fights'.

Nobody was in the meetings, except the fighters lawyers, managers and promoters.

[duranimal]

Yeah, that's probably one of Leonard's gravest concerns. How he is viewed by the Internet boxing nerds of this world. Too bad for him that there are those like you who just won't be duped. If guys like you aren't the true heroes of today, I don't know who is. Don't stray from the path, even though it's a cold and lonely one. Remember that you're doing this for all of us.

:lol: Please please no more of your attempts at interlectual wit just because yer ego has been a tad pricked, it's a big fail:dead

Start again by saying something constructive & original!! Maybe along the lines of " I was'nt around at the time of Leonard" so i really & truthfully don't know that much about his character in practise at the time other than what i've read from boxing mags i acquired off of ebay & never have been party to the boxing scene of the late 70/80's as being too young so i'am disquilifying myself from any futher debate on this issue of being an authority on SRL as i'll only make myself look a bigger wank that i already am/have:dealnow there's a start for yer:lol:

[bodhi]

Guys like Holmes, Duran, Frazier, Foreman and Hagler come off as they still carry a large chip on their shoulder. And I thought Lewis was being quite smug too when interviewed recently. An excuse for every loss and don't give much of a due to the guys that beat them.

Tyson and Leonard are among the few that are upfront with losses they suffered or should have suffered. I respect that a lot.

They are honest with themselves. They don´t need to excuse the losses to themselves, their confidence isn´t shaken by accepting they lost. Something most people can´t or won´t.

[Bokaj]

:lol: Please please no more of your attempts at interlectual wit just because yer ego has been a tad pricked, it's a big fail:dead

Start again by saying something constructive & original!! Maybe along the lines of " I was'nt around at the time of Leonard" so i really & truthfully don't know that much about his character in practise at the time other than what i've read from boxing mags i acquired off of ebay & never have been party to the boxing scene of the late 70/80's as being too young so i'am disquilifying myself from any futher debate on this issue of being an authority on SRL as i'll only make myself look a bigger wank that i already am/have:dealnow there's a start for yer:lol:

Only four smilies? You can do better than that.

[Il Duce]

8)

PaPa Benetiz took a big hit on the $$$, to get Bob Arum promoted Carlos Palomino
to go to Puerto Rico.

Wilfred Benetiz took less $$ against Palomino, than he would have gotten to fight
Roberto Duran in New York or Las Vegas.