View Full Version : Can Mccall become WBC champ?
Punisher33
10-09-2007, 12:08 AM
I always liked Mccall, he can take a good punch and give one as well. I kinda feel sorry for him in way, because guys that are less deserving always seem to get the chance before him. He trains hard and has always did the best he can to live down the incident that happend to him 97 against Lewis, is it finally Mccalls time to regain the belt thats been alluding him all these years. Do you see Mccall beating Gomez, and if wins will he finally get his chance at the belt either against Peter or Maskaev?
SteveO
10-09-2007, 12:16 AM
Why, yes. Yes he can.
Punisher33
10-09-2007, 12:43 AM
Why, yes. Yes he can. I really hope he gets the chance that he deserves, if he beats Gomez and doesnt get a title shot, that would be a tragedy.
magnificentdave
10-09-2007, 12:47 AM
McCline gassed so quickly, and still made a close fight with Peter, I feel like McCall would outbox and outwork peter right now... I mean geez
Zakman
10-09-2007, 12:58 AM
In today's HW division, anything's possible. I wouldn't bet on it though. Virtually any of the top level guys would beat him.
compukiller
10-09-2007, 01:23 AM
In today's HW division, anything's possible. I wouldn't bet on it though. Virtually any of the top level guys would beat him.
His chin would probably see him go the distance though. And if he cracks one of em' on the chin??? Could be sleepytime. :yep
Boom_Boom
10-09-2007, 01:27 AM
no, but he has a better chance of becoming champ than Holyfield does.
Caliboxing
10-09-2007, 05:10 AM
If he Mccall beats Gomez, I think he stands a good chance against either Peter or Maskaev.
Caliboxing
10-09-2007, 05:25 AM
I'd like to see how Maskaev would do against Mccall now. Mccall would come in very confident because of that knockout win years ago.
See Me Flow
10-09-2007, 05:59 AM
In today's lethargic heavyweight division, unfortunately yes.
LogDog69
10-09-2007, 09:49 AM
Hell yes!...HW division sucks a high hard one right now! :D
El Bombasto
10-09-2007, 10:22 AM
If he Mccall beats Gomez, I think he stands a good chance against either Peter or Maskaev.
even at his advanced age, i would favor him over both
TRUEBELIEVER 66
10-09-2007, 10:31 AM
A 42 year old unpredictable former crackhead/drug addict, who has soundly beaten by Frank Bruno what seems like a 100 years ago, the fact that this is even a topic just shows that the Heavyweight division is seriously lacking in talent..:verysad
BTW- My money would be on Peter to whip Mccall..
Dorfmeister
10-09-2007, 10:33 AM
I believe he can if he sticks to the same steady pressure and cautious strategy utilized against Samil Sam in Ankara but it would be very, very even between him and Peter at that game and the Nigerian's strength and youth would probably negate Oliver's chances of pulling it.
Superheavyweight
10-09-2007, 12:20 PM
If he beats Gomez?
What makes you guys think he can beat Gomez?
Gomez already schooled him.
Ok McCall has the greatest chin of all-time, but he’s just a slugger.
When has McCall ever out boxed a ‘boxer’ in his entire career?
Juan Carlos Gomez will be the next WBC heavyweight champion, and a 2-weight champ… he’s going to school the greatest chin of all-time (again), then he’s going to do the same to Peter… by then the aging Oleg would have retired from injuries.
4themind
10-09-2007, 12:26 PM
Yes, all they'd have to do is make an interim interim belt for him
Dorfmeister
10-09-2007, 01:39 PM
If he beats Gomez?
What makes you guys think he can beat Gomez?
Gomez already schooled him.
Ok McCall has the greatest chin of all-time, but he’s just a slugger.
When has McCall ever out boxed a ‘boxer’ in his entire career?
Juan Carlos Gomez will be the next WBC heavyweight champion, and a 2-weight champ… he’s going to school the greatest chin of all-time (again), then he’s going to do the same to Peter… by then the aging Oleg would have retired from injuries.
Nothing has been said about Gomez, the question was supposed to consider his chances against WBC interim Champ Peter and WBC Titlist Maskaev... But if you look at the whole picture, he is a WBC international Champ and needs to win against Gomez to look forward to the aforementioned.
What makes me think that he can beat Gomez, besides the Cuban long period of inactivity ( and we've seen what happens in Klitschko vs Brester II), is fellow Cuban Yanqui Diaz who TKOed him shockingly and was beaten by Oliver. It's a matter of chins as you made it clear, even more so cause they're older, will move less and thus more open to blows.
Oliver McCall is a slugger and he can't box with finesse but that's why he gets the upper-hand, others work hard to build something - he just has to destroy what they come to produce... Unfair but Still Real.
Oliver McCall had a stiff boxing test by the hands of Larry Holmes in Chicago, Illinois and passed, didn't come through Bruno in Wembley but that is another story.
I always believed Juan Carlos Gomez would be the Dark Horse above 200-pounds, he certainly can repeat their first confrontation result and do the same to Peter in boxing terms... I also believe Oleg will not be back or if he gets back it'll be like Patterson vs Liston... Still, I say Gomez the Dark Horse, not the future HWT champ, how come? He has the ability, not just about the strength/resilience/experience at this weight or else what can prevent us from saying that David Haye is sure to become a 2 weight champ, let alone a cruiser champ?
Bigcat
10-09-2007, 02:19 PM
Of course he can, he hasn't lost an actual fight since Davarryll Williamson end before that one the rematch with Lewis.. that was over 10 years ago...
Who is going to deny him this time..?
If the likes of Chagaev and Brewster can win belts , McCall is extremely capable of becoming champ once more.. The only kind of kid who can stop him is a good fast Eddie Chambers or a motivated Arreola.. Klitschko is the best and he would be the hardest night Ollie would face , but i see him steering clear and grabbing a chance against one of the lesser holders.. Sultan would be ideal and even Sammy had better be on his A-Game..
Very interesting
Asterion
10-09-2007, 02:30 PM
A 42 year old unpredictable former crackhead/drug addict, who has soundly beaten by Frank Bruno what seems like a 100 years ago, the fact that this is even a topic just shows that the Heavyweight division is seriously lacking in talent..:verysad
BTW- My money would be on Peter to whip Mccall..
It is not because he is one of the best, it is because he is getting a title shot for beating Sinan Samil Sam. The division is alright, but the sanctioning bodies are doing some damage.
Dorfmeister
10-09-2007, 02:42 PM
It is not because he is one of the best, it is because he is getting a title shot for beating Sinan Samil Sam. The division is alright, but the sanctioning bodies are doing some damage.
... Specially as Jose Sulaiman promised Oliver and Samil Sam that the winner would get a shot at the HWT title, so should we assume Juan Carlos Gomez to get that guarantee if he beats Oliver like there is a direct line International-Interim-Main Title?... Then, Frank ****** mentioned the winner of Skelton and Sprott to get a crack too cause GB cannot be forgotten, and Germany and Russia, Vladimir Virchis also would cause he's the EBU representant in the first place... Too many promises, assumptions, injuries, postponements, very poor boxing action and still that rotten smell - what's that?
Bigcat
10-09-2007, 02:58 PM
Oliver outboxed some decent fighters adequately , he has a good jab and knows how to throw hard shots off that jab.. He beat James Stanton with some clever boxing a few years ago in Miami, and more recently he picked and poked at a crafty Samil Sam ... He placed a power shot at Lewis (who has a very hard jab to get past) and made him re think his whole future..
I remember the Seldon fight, Seldon couldn't hit him with a bag of rice..
then in round 9 .. McCall handed Bruce his first ever loss..
He is a great boxer when he has to be, he just relies on power and granite too often.. He had to avoid the shots from a prime young Tyson in the gym round after round as cheif sparring partner.. he is a master of survival..
what u talkin bout....
Loufatski
10-09-2007, 03:01 PM
McCall will wipe the floor with Wladima, and Sam Peterless on the same night.
Let's not get crazy now...
brooklyn1550
10-09-2007, 03:01 PM
Yes, he can
Loufatski
10-09-2007, 03:03 PM
Hell yes!...HW division sucks a high hard one right now! :D
Why does it suck? ... because Tyson and Lewis are out?? Lots of people say that but I think the division is fine!
Loufatski
10-09-2007, 03:07 PM
A 42 year old unpredictable former crackhead/drug addict, who has soundly beaten by Frank Bruno what seems like a 100 years ago, the fact that this is even a topic just shows that the Heavyweight division is seriously lacking in talent..:verysad
BTW- My money would be on Peter to whip Mccall..
I don't see McCall around for long...
Punisher33
10-09-2007, 03:14 PM
Why does it suck? ... because Tyson and Lewis are out?? Lots of people say that but I think the division is fine! Well it definitely hurts the division when there isnt a reconized champ, it also hurts that the titles change hands so fast anymore, just think less than 2 years we had completely different champs. We had Ruiz, Bryd, Brewster, Rahman.
Dorfmeister
10-09-2007, 03:23 PM
Oliver outboxed some decent fighters adequately , he has a good jab and knows how to throw hard shots off that jab.. He beat James Stanton with some clever boxing a few years ago in Miami, and more recently he picked and poked at a crafty Samil Sam ... He placed a power shot at Lewis (who has a very hard jab to get past) and made him re think his whole future..
I remember the Seldon fight, Seldon couldn't hit him with a bag of rice..
then in round 9 .. McCall handed Bruce his first ever loss..
He is a great boxer when he has to be, he just relies on power and granite too often.. He had to avoid the shots from a prime young Tyson in the gym round after round as cheif sparring partner.. he is a master of survival..
what u talkin bout....
I suppose you r talkin to me... Big Cat, Oliver looks like a mummy and his body is becoming soft around the waist band... Crafty Samil Sam, that fatso, won't y'all please gimme a break?...Bruce Seldon, how many years ago was that?... If McCall is amaster of survival, he looked pretty vulnerable against Bruno, Lewis and others, even against Yanki Diaz he seldom used the jab and was worthless in circling and using lateral movement, just caught him with that uppercut... I don't know what all those years sparring with Tyson made to him, but I wanted McCall for Evander so that Holy could step up to Peter and Maskaev... Forgive me, Big Cat, but this last post can't be yours, you know better than that!
Bigcat
10-09-2007, 03:34 PM
I guess when Oliver is a close friend i can get a bit blinkered, I hope he gets his opportunity again, but he is not as zippy as in 1989.. I wish that damn jab would emerge again, don't hate him for having a fat belly, he is not a spring chikn no mo.. I do feel though that he has a chance of a belt aganst the right cat..
I just hope the best for him.. He has come a long way..
(He would give Evander fits if he was on his A-Game..) but you never know with Evander he seems rejuvinated.
God bless..
gutto
10-09-2007, 03:42 PM
with the heavy weight divison beeing so week any thing is possable
Dorfmeister
10-09-2007, 03:43 PM
I guess when Oliver is a close friend i can get a bit blinkered, I hope he gets his opportunity again, but he is not as zippy as in 1989.. I wish that damn jab would emerge again, don't hate him for having a fat belly, he is not a spring chikn no mo.. I do feel though that he has a chance of a belt aganst the right cat..
I just hope the best for him.. He has come a long way..
(He would give Evander fits if he was on his A-Game..) but you never know with Evander he seems rejuvinated.
God bless..
God bless you Big Cat and Oliver McCall, you are genuine man and I wish Oliver the best... Unfortunatelly there r a lot of guys just joking around and I feel I am a bit naive for takin sum things serious here like capfunds, I am really looking for a miracle next sat night and get touchy. Pardon.
Punisher33
10-09-2007, 03:48 PM
Mccall knows in his head that one more loss could be the end of the road for him, I really wish he would of signed on to fight Peter and just took the pay cut. I mean more and likely he was going to have to fight him anyways if he beat Gomez, Mccall deep down wishes he would of fought Peter last saturday night. I just hope the WBC doesnt fuck him over if he beats Gomez, the man deserves a shot as much as anyone else out there.
Ambition_Def
10-09-2007, 03:49 PM
He can, but he has to realize that if he isn't the mandatory he cannot make demands on his purse.
And even then as the mandatory you get what the organization gives you. I think he would have gotten the shot if he woulda taken the purse offer. Because he compares better with Maskaev than McCline.
Anyhow all he has to do is stay active at the top. Eventually the WBC will make a mandatory or a mandatory eliminator again once this mess clears up.
McCall will not beat Gomez but he would beat Peter. The hype surrounding Peter was was he had a iron chin and a big punch. He may have a big punch but he has not landed it since he moved from the "C" grade fighters he made his name on. As for his chin to say it is glass is a insult to glass. Thoes shots that had him on queer street were not big punches. Brock got nailed harder by McCline and got up and won the round. So lets just say even though Brock is not the most durable fighter in the divsion he certianlly is a lot more solid that Sam Peter. Peter has been exposed or should I say his chin has been exposed. McCall knocks him out before the fight is half over.
Punisher33
10-09-2007, 05:04 PM
McCall will not beat Gomez but he would beat Peter. The hype surrounding Peter was was he had a iron chin and a big punch. He may have a big punch but he has not landed it since he moved from the "C" grade fighters he made his name on. As for his chin to say it is glass is a insult to glass. Thoes shots that had him on queer street were not big punches. Brock got nailed harder by McCline and got up and won the round. So lets just say even though Brock is not the most durable fighter in the divsion he certianlly is a lot more solid that Sam Peter. Peter has been exposed or should I say his chin has been exposed. McCall knocks him out before the fight is half over. One bad night doesnt consitute a bad chin, he didnt get knocked out and ended up coming back to win the fight. Wlad has been knocked down 11 and has been TKOd 3 times, wouldnt you say thats more of a glass chin?
One bad night doesnt consitute a bad chin, he didnt get knocked out and ended up coming back to win the fight. Wlad has been knocked down 11 and has been TKOd 3 times, wouldnt you say thats more of a glass chin?
They are both glass but Peter cannot box so he has nothing to fall back on. Thoes shots that decked Peter were not huge punches. Like I said before Brock took a harder shot from McCline than any of the punches that had the frail Peter is so much trouble. He got up and won the round. Peter is nothing but a showtime hype job. He will get ktfo as soon as he fights a real contender for the paper belt Don King scored for him.
Ambition_Def
10-09-2007, 05:21 PM
They are both glass but Peter cannot box so he has nothing to fall back on. Thoes shots that decked Peter were not huge punches. Like I said before Brock took a harder shot from McCline than any of the punches that had the frail Peter is so much trouble. He got up and won the round. Peter is nothing but a showtime hype job. He will get ktfo as soon as he fights a real contender for the paper belt Don King scored for him.
Someone ban this retard please.
Punisher33
10-09-2007, 05:27 PM
They are both glass but Peter cannot box so he has nothing to fall back on. Thoes shots that decked Peter were not huge punches. Like I said before Brock took a harder shot from McCline than any of the punches that had the frail Peter is so much trouble. He got up and won the round. Peter is nothing but a showtime hype job. He will get ktfo as soon as he fights a real contender for the paper belt Don King scored for him. And you could also say that Tyson took harder shots from Ruddick than he did from Williams and didnt go down, you must understand that Peter was not only rusty but didnt know his oppenent till a week and half before he was to fight him. If your sparring with a guy 6'2 in preperation for Maskaev and end up getting in with a guy whos 6'6 that fights nothing like Maskaev, how well do you expect a guy to do in there against a game oppenent?
Someone ban this retard please.
The only retards around here are the suckers that bought into the Peter hype. The paper champ has had a total of 4 real fights against 3 real fighters. He has been hurt in 3 of them. Glass chin without a doubt.
And you could also say that Tyson took harder shots from Ruddick than he did from Williams and didnt go down, you must understand that Peter was not only rusty but didnt know his oppenent till a week and half before he was to fight him. If your sparring with a guy 6'2 in preperation for Maskaev and end up getting in with a guy whos 6'6 that fights nothing like Maskaev, how well do you expect a guy to do in there against a game oppenent?
I expect him to take a normal shot and not do the rubber chicken.
Punisher33
10-09-2007, 05:43 PM
I expect him to take a normal shot and not do the rubber chicken. While Im not a huge Peter, I still think he just had a bad night as most fighters usually do and will come back against Maskaev better than ever. He made a mistake against Mccline and should learn from it, as most Peter haters are Im guessing your a huge Wlad fan?
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