Has the Super Six been a complete farce?

[brown bomber]

OK, firstly let me start by saying that the idea is a good one. I for one wasn't too bothered about sitting through another shameful 27 defences by the latest modestly talented Super Middleweight title holder- while they called themselves great and fought part time sailors and fireman.

However this has been a farce thus far.......

1/ Fat Mick fails to get our entrants fights on TV, let alone the opposition. Surely the hole operation was to raise the profile of and crown an indisputable world champion.

2/ There is another title holder at Super middle not involved. All he's going to do is wait for the winner - all them out and he gets a straight shot. No wonder he didn't want to get involved.

3/ Jermain Taylor- WTF was he doing there? Outboxed by Sugar Ray Kelly Pavlik, he belonged in a rest home, not the boxing ring.

4/ Andre Dirrel boxing like a super middle hector Camacho and getting robbed.

5/ Mikkel Kessler been exposed as a complete fraud after been termed the eire to the throne.

6/ Arthur Abraham post slip punch of the tournament.


Its been a disaster.

[ishy]

:lol:

I love threads like these, just full of negativity, always looking to pick holes in things.

[Boro chris]

Er........... no?

Its not been perfect and could still fall apart yet. But do you really think these fights would've been made without this tournament?

[Beeston Brawler]

Not at all.

The format has it's flaws, but so would any other format that anyone could bother to put forward.

I'd rather have it this way than loads of ''champions'' hiding behind their titles.

You mention Jermain Taylor - at least he was willing to stick his balls on the line, could quite easily have re-built his confidence fighting clowns for the next year or two.

[brown bomber]

:lol:

I love threads like these, just full of negativity, always looking to pick holes in things.Ishy. I'm a positive person. I love life to the max

Please tell me who has gained as a result of this tournament?

[noonan]

The awfull Taylor who was 60 seconds away from taking Frochs title

[ishy]

Dirrell lost a close one in his first shot at a world title and instead of taking a tune up or something he went in with one of the most feared punchers in the world and produced a career best performance,

Kessler suffered a devastating lost but is now straight in against Froch. No easy fights in between, just tough fight after tough fight.

It's great for boxing.

[brown bomber]

Not at all.

The format has it's flaws, but so would any other format that anyone could bother to put forward.

I'd rather have it this way than loads of ''champions'' hiding behind their titles.

You mention Jermain Taylor - at least he was willing to stick his balls on the line, could quite easily have re-built his confidence fighting clowns for the next year or two. True Beeston.

[noonan]

Ishy. I'm a positive person. I love life to the max

Please tell me who has gained as a result of this tournament?

Carl Froch,

[brown bomber]

Good, good. My thoughts exactly.

[Flea Man]

Dirrell boxes like Camacho all right. Camacho was super negative when intimidated, Dirrell fought like that throughout the Frovh fight and without even beig stunned :lol:

Dirrell was impressive in the Abraham fight, but different angles have brought me to a different conclusion about the outcome.

A DQ: in all probability, yes. But if Dirrell wasn't really hurt, and couldve continued no bother, would it have garnered as much fuss as when Barrett smacked Haye whilst he was down?

As I say, Arthur probably deserved to be DQ'd, but if Dirrell really did act the trembling leg and all that (released from hosptal without concussion if I'm not mistaken, if I am I apologise) than that goes further than B-Hop feigning being low blowed and taking five minutes, that is sickenng and a massive insult to those who have suffered genuine injury in the ring.

And judging by the other angles, I think this may the case. That would be twice Dirrell has employed questionable tactics, and would lead me to believe he lacks the mental intangibles to truly succeed.

[djoc175]

Dirrell lost a close one in his first shot at a world title and instead of taking a tune up or something he went in with one of the most feared punchers in the world and produced a career best performance,

Kessler suffered a devastating lost but is now straight in against Froch. No easy fights in between, just tough fight after tough fight.

It's great for boxing.

I think that will make fighters, particularly younger ones, reluctant to enter into this format in future if they get the opportunity

[Pug1list]

Not a total farce, but farcical in some aspects, such as the ref in the last fight.

[Flea Man]

Camacho is actually an amazing comparison. Two fighters that get on their bike when punched back :lol:

all jokes aside I was ready to buy in to Dirrell as he outworked Abraham. At the end I thought 'poor kid, sparked by one of the hardest hitters P4P, he could be really messed up' but as I say....some skills and fearsome attributes no doubt, but has got the minerals?

I tend to think nit.

[brown bomber]

I'm looking forward to froch ending the kessler myth.

Then it will be interesting to see how he fares with ward.

Anyone think the new entry can do anything?

[GazOC]

Ishy. I'm a positive person. I love life to the max

Please tell me who has gained as a result of this tournament?

Ward.

[Flea Man]

I think that will make fighters, particularly younger ones, reluctant to enter into this format in future if they get the opportunity

Then we'll know not to bother investing our time in contemplating whether those fighters are good, potentially great or not. To be the best you have to beat the best. Bute's stock will lower as the Super 6 winner emerges.

He has no genuinely quality opponents out there for him really. Nit as consistently as the entrants do anyway. He's also perceived by some to be ducking the major players, which is never good for a fighters reputation.

So if certain fighters are put off by the prospect of losing their '0' I say fuck 'em, I'll watch the 'proper' fighters punch it out :good

[Beeston Brawler]

I'd like to think a similar format would be put in place in other divisions - the ones that have less depth would be a good experiment..... because it could crown one champion, and in the meantime allow some worthy contenders to emerge whilst ridding the weaker ones.

Would love for an oligarch like Abramovic to buy the main three alphabets and run boxing properly in conjunction with the TV companies.

[Son of Gaul]

Er........... no?

Its not been perfect and could still fall apart yet. But do you really think these fights would've been made without this tournament?

Exactly, it's been great for the sport overall despite a few challenges.

[Flea Man]

Ward has the perfect style to beat Frochy I think.

Although Abraham will bang Frochy out :deal Brutally and I'll be afraid to watch
the fight when it comes around.

[Son of Gaul]

Dirrell lost a close one in his first shot at a world title and instead of taking a tune up or something he went in with one of the most feared punchers in the world and produced a career best performance,

Kessler suffered a devastating lost but is now straight in against Froch. No easy fights in between, just tough fight after tough fight.

It's great for boxing.

Agreed.

[supremo]

I thionk its has been brilliant idea- look how many top notch 50/50 fights we have had in such a short space of time and promise to have in the future.

[djoc175]

Then we'll know not to bother investing our time in contemplating whether those fighters are good, potentially great or not. To be the best you have to beat the best. Bute's stock will lower as the Super 6 winner emerges.

He has no genuinely quality opponents out there for him really. Nit as consistently as the entrants do anyway. He's also perceived by some to be ducking the major players, which is never good for a fighters reputation.

So if certain fighters are put off by the prospect of losing their '0' I say fuck 'em, I'll watch the 'proper' fighters punch it out :good

I'm not saying they'll be put off by the prospect of losing their undefeated record.

Take Dirrell for example-let's say he fought Froch for the WBC title under more 'normal' circumstances and lost, his next fight certainly wouldn't be against AA. It must be a worry for fighters and promoters, especially when these fighters are young and entering the tournament with fewer than 20 pro fights-after 22 fights he'll have more miles on the clock than he'd have otherwise.

It's just a thought-I'm all in favour of this format. It's a great concept but these things must go through promoters' minds

[Flea Man]

I mean...the matchups are a fans DREAM! It's absurd in this day and age.

And the odd results so far. Froch-Dirrell, Taylor withdrawing, Watd dominating Kessler, Abraham being DQ'd, it all makes it more puzzling. We thought a pattern would emerge but everything thus far has been surprising?

Consistent fireworks? No. But as fighters gain the top scalps certain fighters will emerge as amongst the best in the division. But who knows what state they will be in? Will one of the finalists have got a gift in the semis? What sorta styles clash will it be? Maybe a rematch we HAD to see?

This is what makes it terrific. Anything can happen. Don't think Green will do
much at all, but he can whack a bit so will at least make things interesting. He isn't always fan friendly though, Id have preferred Bika. Ugly and crude but always comes to fight and has at least given Calzaghe a tough fight.

[Flea Man]

I'm not saying they'll be put off by the prospect of losing their undefeated record.

Take Dirrell for example-let's say he fought Froch for the WBC title under more 'normal' circumstances and lost, his next fight certainly wouldn't be against AA. It must be a worry for fighters and promoters, especially when these fighters are young and entering the tournament with fewer than 20 pro fights-after 22 fights he'll have more miles on the clock than he'd have otherwise.

It's just a thought-I'm all in favour of this format. It's a great concept but these things must go through promoters' minds

I know what you're saying, but ifsay Ward retires after 30 fights, the quality he may have amassed might not have been achieved in a super six-less career with 45 fights.

[conan666]

Er........... no?

Its not been perfect and could still fall apart yet. But do you really think these fights would've been made without this tournament?
i agree froch vs kessler would have taken years to make!

[brown bomber]

I think the best thing about the super six is that 'well timed step up' has been brutally exposed as a myth. neither Ward nor Dirrell would have been considered ready to 'step up' but both proved they belonged in world class.

This should happen more domestically.

[conan666]

I'm not saying they'll be put off by the prospect of losing their undefeated record.

Take Dirrell for example-let's say he fought Froch for the WBC title under more 'normal' circumstances and lost, his next fight certainly wouldn't be against AA. It must be a worry for fighters and promoters, especially when these fighters are young and entering the tournament with fewer than 20 pro fights-after 22 fights he'll have more miles on the clock than he'd have otherwise.

It's just a thought-I'm all in favour of this format. It's a great concept but these things must go through promoters' minds
good point kelly pavlik said the same thing it was something along the lines of ( let them guys all beat each other up for peanuts)

[brown bomber]

good point kelly pavlik said the same thing it was something along the lines of ( let them guys all beat each other up for peanuts) Kelly Pavlik should shut the fuck up and learn how to box. :lol:

[cheekyvid]

everyone's talking about, so its been the opposite of a disaster

[KingCobra]

No. I'm loving it!!!!

[Bonavena25]

Think it's been great. It's like years worth of boxing condensed into a relatively small amount of time and by the end of it, we may find ourselves looking at boxing in a different way, such as how much emphasis styles have on the outcomes of fights and importance of home advantage.

Without the super six random fights like Dirrell - Abraham would have never happened.

[KingCobra]

Kelly Pavlik should shut the fuck up and learn how to box. :lol:


and take another meaningful fight!

To be fair, I think Martinez is a decent test but it's taken long enough for the lush to get his act together....

[mcguirpa]

Ishy. I'm a positive person. I love life to the max

Please tell me who has gained as a result of this tournament?

Dirrel and Ward undoubtedly.

Dirrell might have found himself frozen out after losing to Froch, he certainly wouldn't have got a shot at Abraham on home turf.

The format has stopped the alphabet body/promoter circle jerk and got 6 of the best (if maybe not THE best)up against each other on a regular basis. That has to be applauded.

[El Cepillo]

Look how much debate its generated so far.

We have emerging talents in Dirrell and Ward.

Kessler fighting for his reputation.

Taylor beaten into retirement.

Froch getting a gift.

Arbaham being DSQ.

Dirrell being accused of acting.

World titles changing hands...

and we are still closer to the start than we are the finish.

I love it.

[slip&counter]

some people are never satisfied.

[TFFP]

What is a farce is that boxng fans are constantly criticizing our sport for shit matchmaking yet when something comes along that matches most of the best against the best in a division they are taking pops at it.

[thewinfella]

The only thing thats a farce is your shit thread !!!!

JT was in the S6 after completley dominating Lacy and going life and death with Froch in a very very close fight after dropping Froch , something the SMW Hector Camacho couldnt pull off .

Abraham knocks JT TFO in devestating fashion and gets slagged for it ??? :huh

Ward comes in a relativeley unknown fighter with one good name on his resume and schools the somewhat unbeatable Kessler !!!!!!!

Bute beats the gate keeper of the 168 lb division who remember nearly KO'd Bute and he's the second coming of SRR with Joppy and Bika on his resume :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: , there is good fights out there for Bute , Pavlik , Steiglitz , Dawson , Pascal .

Then AA gets schooled by Dirrell after Dirrell stunk the joint out against Froch .

Tell me ........................ why is the S6 a farce ?????? :patsch:huh:good

[pne buz]

Not at all.

The format has it's flaws, but so would any other format that anyone could bother to put forward.

I'd rather have it this way than loads of ''champions'' hiding behind their titles.

You mention Jermain Taylor - at least he was willing to stick his balls on the line, could quite easily have re-built his confidence fighting clowns for the next year or two.

Spot on.More super 6s please.Tremendous credit to all the fighters who agreed to it win or lose.

[conan666]

Kelly Pavlik should shut the fuck up and learn how to box. :lol:
do you think he is that bad?

[beadybea]

Personally I can't wait for the rest of the fights. OK it could have been better if Pavlik & Bute were involved but I'm sure they'll both be a little jealous of the respect the eventual winner gets. TV wise it was a disastrous start and although I - like everyone else, thought primetime was a complete joke at first it does seem that they've got their act together recently which can only be a positive thing for televised boxing.

[JonOli]

One thing that I like about it, is that it really does show how when normaly carefully picked match making styles are thrown out the window, expected results are thrown into the air.

[trotter]

It's been great. We've had loads of quality matchups. What the hell else do you want?

[TFFP]

There have been some strange things happening in seemingly all the bouts. And not all of it great. But as JonOli says, thats the beauty of matching tough against all different kinds of fighters. We've seen a messy fight, perhaps a bad or certainly questionable decision, a bad KO, frustration boiling over into a DQ, headbutt contraversy, bad cuts. It's all part and parcel of boxing.

Not everything has gone smoothy, we havn't seen 4 beautiful boxing bouts where everything went 'as expected'. But it definitely has not lacked drama and excitement and there is a lot more to come.

[Guy]

It's been great, every fight has had it's portion of drama and controversy

Bring on Froch/Kessler!

Looking forward to Ward/Green too:cool:

[Beeston Brawler]

The only beef I have with it is the gap in between fights.... but when you are talking about world class athletes it isn't all that in the grand scheme of things.

Not sure why Bute wasn't up for it - or rumoured not to be up for it, to be honest.

[loginistooshort]

What is a farce is that boxng fans are constantly criticizing our sport for shit matchmaking yet when something comes along that matches most of the best against the best in a division they are taking pops at it.

Exactly. Without this format Abraham would probably still be at middleweight or fighting some crappy supers. Dirrell would still be fighting boxers 1 or 2 levels below competition because he's too "green" same goes for Ward and Kessler would probably still be The Man.

[Mandanda]

I think so far it's had everything but a epic war and tactical battle and i see them two type of fights happening soon enough. We have had a brutal knockout,Controversial decision and a controversial ending to a fight. A shock when Ward beat Kessler.

We still got a lot of fights to come and it can only get better. Round One you could see all the fighters boxing unsure of whether to fight the fight and the championship bout or fight the tournament fight and go for KO. Now fighters feel more at home with every thing.

It's been a major positive for the sport imo

[Primadonna Kool]

Dirrell lost a close one in his first shot at a world title and instead of taking a tune up or something he went in with one of the most feared punchers in the world and produced a career best performance,

Kessler suffered a devastating lost but is now straight in against Froch. No easy fights in between, just tough fight after tough fight.

It's great for boxing.


How is it great for boxing man..?

1. No one in the UK even knows about the super six
2. It is badly advertised
3. Its taking far to long
4. Only hardcore fans know the format of the tournament...i think..?

When something is good for your sport, you want this "Good" to promote the sport and give it more exposure to the masses.

The Super six has done neither of these two things.

Because simply its not a big enough spectacle..

I think its been a total load of shit....

I have no problem with the fights being made, but people need to face facts that it has been a failure. None of these fighters, are becoming house hold names..which exposure will do.

For example

David Haye vs "The Beast"

Coursed more of a stir, and promoted the sport of boxing more than the super six so far. David Haye as a result of his world title fight, and his own witty..balls on the line..attitude and self promotion.

Has shot himself...into a household name in British sport.

Carl Froch is still a no mark in these terms......

I have no problem with the fights being made, but there was allot of talk of the supersix.....before it started.

"Like it was gonna save boxing"

Its done fuck all..

[Guy]

Primadonna that's a fair point about the marketing, it's almost a tournament for those previously educated in the sport rather than trying to attract new fans.

[brown bomber]

How is it great for boxing man..?

1. No one in the UK even knows about the super six
2. It is badly advertised
3. Its taking far to long
4. Only hardcore fans know the format of the tournament...i think..?

When something is good for your sport, you what this "Good" to promote the sport and give it more exposure to the masses.

The Super six has done neither of these two things.

Because simply its not a big enough spectacle..

I think its been a total load of shit....

I have no problem with the fights being made, but people need to face facts that it has been a failure. None of these fighters, are becoming house hold names..which exposure will do.

For example

David Haye vs "The Beast"

Coursed more of a stir, and promoted the sport of boxing more than the super six so far. David Haye as a result of his world title fight, and his own witty..balls on the line..attitude and self promotion.

Has shot himself...into a household name in British sport.

Carl Froch is still a no mark in these terms......

I have no problem with the fights being made, but there was allot of talk of the supersix.....before it started.

"Like it was gonna save boxing"

Its done fuck all..

This guy knows what i'm talking about. Good man.

[The Blackout]

I think, for a first attempt at a tournament of this kind, The Super Six has done pretty well so far.

Of course there are a few downsides -there should not be a hometown referee or hometown judges in the fights and the publicity of the upcoming fights could do with much improvement, especially in the UK.

However, we are getting to see some fantastic match ups at SMW. Froch taking on Dirrell, Kessler and Abraham in a row is quality to be honest, not mention the interesting match ups involving the two American fighters who are making a name for themselves.

We're seeing the best taking on the best at the end of the day and it's hard to pick a favourite in each fight. Can't ask for more than that from a boxing fans point of view, in my opinion.