View Full Version : If Paul Williams fought Mayweather........
klion22
10-09-2007, 09:12 AM
I know most people want to avoid Paul Williams because he's an incredible tall welterweight, is left handed, and throws a ton of punches per round but if PBF were to get in the ring with Williams, who do you think will win?
I think it would be an interesting matchup. Any news on who Williams might fight next? He is being avoided by pretty much everyone is he not? I think the only guy who can really beat him is Cotto because he's so good at going to the body and he would have a lot to hit with Williams.
Your thoughts?
LogDog69
10-09-2007, 09:18 AM
Out of all of the welterweights I believe Shane and Williams have the best shot of beating Mayweather. I think the combination of everything that Paul has will bother Mayweather...it's one thing to be taller and have more reach than Mayweather but to have the ungodly punch output that he has along with the height and reach advantage is something I really see Floyd having problems handling. Some might say that Floyd's footwork would keep Paul off balance and keep him from throwing so many punches but Paul constantly throws punches whether his feet are set or not. If I had to bet money I would always put it on Mayweather but I would consider the fight a toss-up.
klion22
10-09-2007, 09:34 AM
Right now, Paul Williams is a little too green to go against PBF. He needs a few fights before going there.
Yeah, i agree. I was going to add that in my original post that he would still need some more experience to take on a guy like PBF. But assuming he does, i think he would give PBF trouble.
LogDog69
10-09-2007, 09:34 AM
Right now, Paul Williams is a little too green to go against PBF. He needs a few fights before going there.
Yea his chances against Floyd will only increase with each fight. I'd like to see him fight someone about Floyd's size with comparable speed and see how he does. Maybe a Zab, Mosley, or Berto fight would help me get a better idea of who I think would win between Paul and Floyd.
klion22
10-09-2007, 09:39 AM
On a side note, what is your take on Berto?
I saw him fight a couple of times including his last bout with Estrada and it looks like he's got all the tools. He's incredibly muscular for a welterweight and has very good hand speed. He also seems to have good power.
He looks sort of like a poor man's PBF. You guys think he can do some great things in the near future?
charlievint
10-09-2007, 09:58 AM
I know most people want to avoid Paul Williams because he's an incredible tall welterweight, is left handed, and throws a ton of punches per round but if PBF were to get in the ring with Williams, who do you think will win?
I think it would be an interesting matchup. Any news on who Williams might fight next? He is being avoided by pretty much everyone is he not? I think the only guy who can really beat him is Cotto because he's so good at going to the body and he would have a lot to hit with Williams.
Your thoughts?
I'd have to go with Mayweather just b/c he is the most talented and skilled fighter out there today...BUT, with that said Paul has the physical attributes and style to give Mayweather all kinds of problems. Not only that Floyd seems to be taking his craft a bit lightly as of late...partly b/c he's facing a guy that is tailor made for him like Hatton.
BUT ANYONE CAN LOOSE! Especially if he doesn't train up to par when facing a determined young fighter like a Paul Williams or a Ricky Hatton. Out of all the young guns out there Paul Williams has the stuff to hand Mayweather his first defeat....even a WELL prepared Mayweather!
If Mayweather was doing this dancing with the stars mess and it was paul he was suppose to be facing next I'd be betting my house that Paul pulls off the upset when they would meet b/c an ill-prepared Mayweather could not beat the punisher when he's at his BEST.
charlievint
10-09-2007, 10:00 AM
On a side note, what is your take on Berto?
I saw him fight a couple of times including his last bout with Estrada and it looks like he's got all the tools. He's incredibly muscular for a welterweight and has very good hand speed. He also seems to have good power.
He looks sort of like a poor man's PBF. You guys think he can do some great things in the near future?
Berto really impressed me in his last outing....I knew before he had the skills, speed, power and talent but he never put them all together like he did agaisnt Estrada. He didn't look like a poor mans Mayweather last time, he looked like a young and green Mayweather, but I see big things in Berto's future...if his handlers bring him along properly and keep him active.
LogDog69
10-09-2007, 10:04 AM
On a side note, what is your take on Berto?
I saw him fight a couple of times including his last bout with Estrada and it looks like he's got all the tools. He's incredibly muscular for a welterweight and has very good hand speed. He also seems to have good power.
He looks sort of like a poor man's PBF. You guys think he can do some great things in the near future?
Yea a poor man's PBF is a good way to describe him. I think he can do great things if just keeps gradually stepping up his level of competition. I assume though that if you watched the Estrada fight, you saw that he definitely needs to work on his defense.
klion22
10-09-2007, 10:07 AM
Yea a poor man's PBF is a good way to describe him. I think he can do great things if just keeps gradually stepping up his level of competition. I assume though that if you watched the Estrada fight, you saw that he definitely needs to work on his defense.
I don't know that it was his poor defense. It's just that Berto has always been the aggressor and stronger fighter and when Estrada came forward, he didn't want to back up and was willing to trade. So that left him more open. It's not like he was getting tagged with clean shots time and time again. Well, earlier in the fight but again, i think it was more Berto willing to exchange more than a flaw in his game. He did take some good shots from Estrada early and they seemed to have no effect whatsoever.
He's another young kid to keep an eye on and this makes boxing more fun.
john b
10-09-2007, 10:10 AM
The Only fights I have seen of williams was the mitchell and margarito fight but I couldn't saya if he could beat pbf because I was half asleep watching those fights.
Relentless
10-09-2007, 10:12 AM
Yea a poor man's PBF is a good way to describe him. I think he can do great things if just keeps gradually stepping up his level of competition. I assume though that if you watched the Estrada fight, you saw that he definitely needs to work on his defense.
more like a poor mans judah.
sues2nd
10-09-2007, 10:13 AM
I know most people want to avoid Paul Williams because he's an incredible tall welterweight, is left handed, and throws a ton of punches per round but if PBF were to get in the ring with Williams, who do you think will win?
I think it would be an interesting matchup. Any news on who Williams might fight next? He is being avoided by pretty much everyone is he not? I think the only guy who can really beat him is Cotto because he's so good at going to the body and he would have a lot to hit with Williams.
Your thoughts?
Williams. Quite easily. I think he is the only one that can do it tho. And Floyd aint stupid, he wont make this fight happen.
Relentless
10-09-2007, 10:16 AM
Williams. Quite easily. I think he is the only one that can do it tho. And Floyd aint stupid, he wont make this fight happen.
shane mosley can do it too:yep
LogDog69
10-09-2007, 10:16 AM
I don't know that it was his poor defense. It's just that Berto has always been the aggressor and stronger fighter and when Estrada came forward, he didn't want to back up and was willing to trade. So that left him more open. It's not like he was getting tagged with clean shots time and time again. Well, earlier in the fight but again, i think it was more Berto willing to exchange more than a flaw in his game. He did take some good shots from Estrada early and they seemed to have no effect whatsoever.
He's another young kid to keep an eye on and this makes boxing more fun.
Definitely! :good
klion22
10-09-2007, 10:18 AM
shane mosley can do it too:yep
I think what PBF is going to do with Shane is wait a year or two where Mosley's skills decline just enough where PBF is going to feel confident that he can outquick and outland him. And that will be the smart thing to do IMO.
Anyone else think this might be the case?
El Bombasto
10-09-2007, 10:27 AM
I know most people want to avoid Paul Williams because he's an incredible tall welterweight, is left handed, and throws a ton of punches per round but if PBF were to get in the ring with Williams, who do you think will win?
I think it would be an interesting matchup. Any news on who Williams might fight next? He is being avoided by pretty much everyone is he not? I think the only guy who can really beat him is Cotto because he's so good at going to the body and he would have a lot to hit with Williams.
Your thoughts?
i don't care if he's able to land 100%, 30 punches per round won't cut it against a guy that averages over 100.
williams by ud, don't expect floyd to ever take this fight
Lampley
10-09-2007, 11:27 AM
I would make Williams a clear favorite over Mayweather. You obviously can't discount an ATG like Floyd, but the Punisher is a terrible matchup for him.
Williams isn't the kind of fighter who needs to see an opening to punch. This is the problem ODLH and many others have had against Floyd. Even Gatti wanted visual recognition to fire his shots, and Mayweather is so shifty, they just don't can't get comfortable.
But Williams throws for the sake of throwing, and his jab is so long and prolific -- with pretty good speed -- that he'll take rounds by outworking Floyd.
Mayweather isn't accustomed to fighting at that pace, and where Williams is vulnerable -- power -- PbF doesn't have the ability to exploit at the higher weights.
The bad matchup for Williams is Cotto, with Cintron also posing a real threat.
Floyd will never fight Williams.
DrunkenShad
10-09-2007, 11:56 AM
First and foremost, Floyd would get hit in this fight. ALOT. There is no avoiding it for 12 rounds when a guy has the kind of reach and punch output that Williams has. He might not be getting hit clean every time, but Williams would punch ever inch of him.
Floyd can't hurt Williams to make him pick his shots either. Frankly I can only see Floyd winning this one on the inside, where he would have to be the aggressor. Floyd has proven himself to be nothing but a career boxer, and I simply don't see him willing to take it to Williams in order to win. He could, but he doesn't have a fighters mentality.
This fight will never happen.
Relentless
10-09-2007, 12:12 PM
I would make Williams a clear favorite over Mayweather. You obviously can't discount an ATG like Floyd, but the Punisher is a terrible matchup for him.
Williams isn't the kind of fighter who needs to see an opening to punch. This is the problem ODLH and many others have had against Floyd. Even Gatti wanted visual recognition to fire his shots, and Mayweather is so shifty, they just don't can't get comfortable.
But Williams throws for the sake of throwing, and his jab is so long and prolific -- with pretty good speed -- that he'll take rounds by outworking Floyd.
Mayweather isn't accustomed to fighting at that pace, and where Williams is vulnerable -- power -- PbF doesn't have the ability to exploit at the higher weights.
The bad matchup for Williams is Cotto, with Cintron also posing a real threat.
Floyd will never fight Williams.
thats right, williams throws even when his oponents are blocking, he doesn't care if the shots land or not.
achillesthegreat
10-09-2007, 02:45 PM
Many thought Hernandez, Corrales, Judah, DLH even Baldo and Gatti could beat Floyd. There is always someone who can supposedly beat Floyd.
At the moment we are on Ricky Hatton - let's talk after the bout.
gutto
10-09-2007, 04:04 PM
:good I AGREE WILLIAMS NEEDS A FEW MORE FIGHTS BEFORE PBF BUT COULD HAVE THE TOOLS TO DO THE JOB WILL IT EVER HAPPEN I THINK NOT
klion22
10-09-2007, 04:07 PM
What do you guys think would've been the bigger fight?
PBF/Hatton or PBF/Mosley?
I personally think it would've been slightly Mosley because of their similiarities in their styles. And i really do think that PBF wants to put Mosley on his resume but that he is waiting a little longer for Mosley to lose some of his skills.
Anyone else think this is the case?
swedeone
10-09-2007, 04:27 PM
You pegged the only man I can see defeating PBF. He is as quick, throws a ton of punches and Floyd wouldn't be able to get close to Paul.
Williams by decision. :good
Ring Master
10-09-2007, 04:48 PM
PW needs to improve his balance, technique and power before I put him in with PBF.
gutto
10-09-2007, 04:53 PM
Would Love To See Mosley Vs Pbf I Think Shane Could And Will Kick His Ass
Ring Master
10-09-2007, 05:26 PM
What do you guys think would've been the bigger fight?
PBF/Hatton or PBF/Mosley?
I personally think it would've been slightly Mosley because of their similiarities in their styles. And i really do think that PBF wants to put Mosley on his resume but that he is waiting a little longer for Mosley to lose some of his skills.
Anyone else think this is the case?
No. He was ready for Mosley right after the Vargas fight but mosley had a tooth ache and wanted to go on vacation with his family.
ripcity
10-09-2007, 06:32 PM
I haven't seen enough of Willams. I know he is good but how good? He's tall but how dose he take advantage of his natural advantage?
Relentless
10-09-2007, 06:33 PM
No. He was ready for Mosley right after the Vargas fight but mosley had a tooth ache and wanted to go on vacation with his family.
did you stop to think that oscar de la hoya had something to do about this?
Pimp C
10-09-2007, 07:14 PM
Williams will be avoided at 147 by all the big names except Margo who wants revenge. He will have to go to 154 to get a decent fight. Williams is a stylistic nightmare for PBF southpaw long, decent speed, good stamina, good jab and workrate. I can't really blame PBF for ducking him.
brooklyn1550
10-09-2007, 07:25 PM
Williams is the guy who can beat Mayweather at 147. Why? His height, reach, and workrate. All freakish for the division. Floyd would have a lot of trouble, but I'd still love to see this fight. I'm curious to see how Floyd would handle Williams.
Paul Williams can't beat Floyd Mayweather and I feel anybody who thinks so is crazy.
I don't care how many punches Paul Williams throws he's going to have to land them.
The stats would look like
Williams- 75 punches thrown in round 3 15 landed. Mayweather- 44 punches thrown in round 3 22 of them landed
Who won round 3 the guy with the higher punch rate or the guy who landed more punches???
He's not fast enough. His reach will be his down fall he'll get timed all fight and cracked everytime he draws his arms back.
His body would get broke down while Floyd stay's in the pocket all night he would bully Paul Williams believe it or not.
You think he timed and potshotted Baldomir and Delahoya lol. You won't really see pot shotting at its finest unless he fights Paul Williams.
But like he said he knows this and Paul Williams isn't on his level and never will be what Paul should do is go to 154 and 160 develop a little muscle mass and some power or learn how to use his ranginess better like Pavlik because he has the skill I just think he's to slow.
pbf is never gonna fight paul.
It won't be because he doesn't think he can beat him.
41fever
10-09-2007, 08:49 PM
I don't see PBF ever clamoring for a fight with THE PUNISHER for good reason, too dang big! PBF vs HATTON/ MOSLEY/ COTTO or any other smaller welter would be better suited for FLoyd.
Relentless
10-09-2007, 09:32 PM
This would be a one sided mismatch. Floyd would box Williams' ears off. It would resemble the Trinidad/Hopkins fight with Floyd gettin the china chinned Williams out of there in the late rounds.
hi pimp c:hi:
brooklyn1550
10-09-2007, 09:32 PM
This would be a one sided mismatch. Floyd would box Williams' ears off. It would resemble the Trinidad/Hopkins fight with Floyd gettin the china chinned Williams out of there in the late rounds.
How do you see Floyd doing against Tommy Hearns?
Relentless
10-09-2007, 09:35 PM
ask for his top 20 all time p4p list, he'll disappear for weeks.
sure, whatever u say newb!
Trust me I'm not that new and I know boxing and I definetly know Floyd Mayweather old timer:tong
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