Evander Holyfield vs Joe Frazier

[Quitali Bitchko]

Two fighters that are among my very favourite's; would the real deal be able to get past that smokin' one or would there be too much smoke for the real deal to get past by? :think

In their prime's of coures, at HW, 12 rounds.

I think this would be a close fight. I can see Holyfield troubling Joe early on with fast combinations but when Joe would ˙˙wake up˙˙ and apply more pressure it would be smokin'. I dont think Joe could stop Evander, I can see Holyfield taking a close descision in a 12 round fight...but im not sure about 15 rounds.

Oh and I messed up the poll, in the UD it should be descision - not UD. As there's no way this could be a UD for either imo. :lol:

[Pachilles]

I picked Frazier Decision only to credit Holy's chin and heart, stylistically i think Frazier has him beat. It'd be trench warfare and Frazier would paint the ring with sharp, relentless, powerful hooks and uppercuts on the inside. Possibly causing a referee stoppage in the late rounds. However its not so farfetched to predict Holy hanging in there with discouraging power shots of his own and quite abit of grappling, then Frazier tiring late on and Holyfield finishing him. But if it goes the distance i say clear UD for Frazier.

[tommygun711]

Evander Holyfield by decision
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[McGrain]

Evander Holyfield by decision
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:lol: "I heard a lot of people call Joe Frazier a bum. Frazier was by no means a bum."

[MAG1965]

I think Evander beats Frazier up similar to how he beat up Tyson.

[Pachilles]

I think Evander beats Frazier up similar to how he beat up Tyson.

prime heavyweight Frazier is a different animal to 1996 Tyson. He'd be trying to take more than just an ear off

[djanders]

I'm going with Evander in this match, but it wouldn't be an easy win for him...in my opinion.

[Bill1234]

I think Joe would beat him. I see Joe digging in his usual vicious body shots and wacking the head a few times too. Evander would very game though, and keep it a very competitive fight, probably landing some hard combinations that might back Joe up.

[Kalasinn]

I think Evander beats Frazier up similar to how he beat up Tyson.
That's a massive insult to Joe, 1967-1971 Frazier is significantly better than the 1996 Tyson from Holyfield I.
Yes Holyfield can win this fight, but Frazier will put him through hell with relentless bobbing pressure, Eddie Futch should be an important factor too.
Frazier UD.

[Primadonna Kool]

Evander Holyfield UD...

Evander Holyfield could etheir slug it out with Joe Fraizer, or out box him like Muhammad Ali did in Al vs Fraizer II...!

Joe Fraizer was great at what he did, but he was slightly one demensional...

Evander Holyfield was'nt thats the fucking difference...!!!!!!

[PaulyJ]

prime heavyweight Frazier is a different animal to 1996 Tyson. He'd be trying to take more than just an ear off

Yeah, I totally agree. Frazier was a much better infighter than Tyson. Frazier was a pitbull and would absolutely NEVER quit. I think that Holyfield would be troubled by Frazier's awkward aggressive style and would have trouble hitting him early in the fight. However, Holyfield would not quit either. If he could find the range with Frazier, you might have one of the best slugfests in history. I don't see either of them being knocked out.

[Lobotomy]

Joe would get under Evander and pummel his body. Frazier didn't like dealing with opponents his own height, because they could get below his shots. No problem with Holyfield. Evander would have his moments, but he's not outworking Joe.

[essexboy]

That's a massive insult to Joe, 1967-1971 Frazier is significantly better than the 1996 Tyson from Holyfield I.
Yes Holyfield can win this fight, but Frazier will put him through hell with relentless bobbing pressure, Eddie Futch should be an important factor too.
Frazier UD.

I agree, Frazier by decision in a war.

[Waynegrade]

I see `Smokin` Joe coming out on top in this one, UD or maybe late stoppage. You needed to be Ali or a BIG puncher to get Joe. Holy, while a true warrior, wouldn`t be able to keep Joe fom Smokin... He damn sure couldn`t beat him on the inside, Bowe tore up Holy inside. And practically noone did it better on the inside than Frazier. Frazier was always in tip top shape, and couls `smoke` for the whole 15. This would be an unbelieveable fight, a true crowd pleaser. It would be nip and tcuk, with Evander having plenty of moments in this one. Please don`t compare how Holy fought Tyson. Tyson, if he couldn`t run through you, would sometimes check out mentally when it got tough. And thats why Holy could break him. Not so with Frazier, who RELISHED getting into a good fight. Great close fight all the way, tremendous work rate inside by Frazier, which takes some gas out of Holy down the stretch... Frazier UD, or late stoppage. Don`t foget Frazier could get it done late too, he dropped Ali in the 15th rd of a tough grueling war. I just can`t see Holy beating `71` edition Frazier...

[Muchmoore]

I like Frazier.

What a fight though.

[Primadonna Kool]

I see `Smokin` Joe coming out on top in this one, UD or maybe late stoppage. You needed to be Ali or a BIG puncher to get Joe. Holy, while a true warrior, wouldn`t be able to keep Joe fom Smokin... He damn sure couldn`t beat him on the inside, Bowe tore up Holy inside. And practically noone did it better on the inside than Frazier. Frazier was always in tip top shape, and couls `smoke` for the whole 15. This would be an unbelieveable fight, a true crowd pleaser. It would be nip and tcuk, with Evander having plenty of moments in this one. Please don`t compare how Holy fought Tyson. Tyson, if he couldn`t run through you, would sometimes check out mentally when it got tough. And thats why Holy could break him. Not so with Frazier, who RELISHED getting into a good fight. Great close fight all the way, tremendous work rate inside by Frazier, which takes some gas out of Holy down the stretch... Frazier UD, or late stoppage. Don`t foget Frazier could get it done late too, he dropped Ali in the 15th rd of a tough grueling war. I just can`t see Holy beating `71` edition Frazier...

Joe Frazier was shit and throwing straight punches...!! could he even throw them..?

Evander Holyfeild was faster, and was not one demensional..! he could box if he wanted to, and mix it up inside...!!!

[PhillyPhan69]

We just had this fight in the Boxrec tourney sweet 16 rd last week and Frazier won 12-5...as of now this poll is 10-4 in favor of Frazier. This seems to be a fairly consistant consensus!

I personally pick Frazier on what I feel would be a ultracompetitive fight, and give him the edge on a higher workrate. I have not heard from anyone on either side though who does not think that this would be an absolute war. If there are any I would love to hear their reasoning for a one sided fight!

[rekcutnevets]

The Holeyfield that faced Bert Cooper would have been in trouble.

The Holyfield that faced Tyson would have been interesting. I remember reading about Don Turner's strategy, and Holyfield's preparation for this bout. Most orthodox fighters line up with their lead legs between the other opponent's feet. Turner wanted Holyfield to line up with his rear leg between Tyson's. This helped take away Tyson's left hook. This also lined Holyfield up for a straight right hand. Tyson didn't take advantage of this, and I doubt Frazier would either.

[PaulyJ]

Joe would get under Evander and pummel his body. Frazier didn't like dealing with opponents his own height, because they could get below his shots. No problem with Holyfield. Evander would have his moments, but he's not outworking Joe.

Evander surprisingly was able to handle a shorter, stronger fighter in Tyson, but for the most part HE liked to be the guy on the inside against taller opponents. Just like you said, Frazier gets inside and under. From this position he will truly frustrate Holyfield and probably catch him a few times. I think Holyfield would like some space in this fight and Joe will not give it to him. This would truly test Evander's boxing skills. The only way Evander wins this fight is to stay outside, throw quick, hard combinations and move. I do not think he would be sucessful trying to clinch Frazier in close quarters. I mean, Ali had trouble clinching Frazier. It would also be worthless to pot shot Frazier. The only way Holyfield can hurt Frazier is those hard, athletic combinations he threw against Bowe and Foreman from a distance. Its doubtful that he could land enough solid headshots to really shake Frazier. I still do not see either of these guys being knocked out. Great thread Quitali Bitchko!

[Primadonna Kool]

Could Joe Frazier throw straight punchers..?

Evander Holyfield could box and use the ring or go inside with Joe Frazier....

What the fuck is Joe Frazier going to do to Evander Holyfield inside..? Evander Holyfield would man handle Frazier inside and tie him up...

Joe Frazier crumbled against bigger and stronger guys..!!!

Evander Holyfield did'nt..!!!!

[rusty nails]

ive always felt this would be the best heavyweight fight never to be made.
i cant pick a winner but there would be no knockout.

[anut]

i hate to say this but evander holyfeld had the will and style to beat joe frazier.....back frazier up......counter punch ect.....i would say even knock joe frazier out.....guys like tyson/frazier/marciano/qauwi/shavers/.......were the rite style for evander(evander had much tougher times with techinal fighters like holmes/lewis/bowe......but guys that came foreward evander was totally the wrong style for them....evander holyfield knocks joe frazier out..?????

[anut]

The Holeyfield that faced Bert Cooper would have been in trouble.

The Holyfield that faced Tyson would have been interesting. I remember reading about Don Turner's strategy, and Holyfield's preparation for this bout. Most orthodox fighters line up with their lead legs between the other opponent's feet. Turner wanted Holyfield to line up with his rear leg between Tyson's. This helped take away Tyson's left hook. This also lined Holyfield up for a straight right hand. Tyson didn't take advantage of this, and I doubt Frazier would either.

i agree with this guy......

[Waynegrade]

People tend to forget that Bowe tore up Holy on the inside... Holy has stright shots sure, but I don`t see him keeping Frazier off him. Where inside Frazier`s hooks and devastating body attack would take its toll. Someone mentioned Bert Cooper, a poor mans Frazier, and he gave Holy hell...

[PaulyJ]

Could Joe Frazier throw straight punchers..?

Evander Holyfield could box and use the ring or go inside with Joe Frazier....

What the fuck is Joe Frazier going to do to Evander Holyfield inside..? Evander Holyfield would man handle Frazier inside and tie him up...

Joe Frazier crumbled against bigger and stronger guys..!!!

Evander Holyfield did'nt..!!!!

The only guy who decimated Frazier was Foreman. You might be right about Joe not being able to do much head damage inside, but I do not think Evander would have enough room to do much either. Frazier could definitely get his attention with a left hook to the kidneys! I do not think that Evander would be comfortable fighting Joe inside all night and I do not think he manhandles him. Your point about Evander's boxing skills is well taken. That would be the winning strategy for Holyfield in my opinion. Honestly, I would love to just see them stand toe to toe and exchange punches. I really think that they have awkward styles for each other and it would be a tough fight for both of them.

[ATP]

Smokin Joe by decision........

What a fight it would be....Battle of the hearts!

[duran duran]

prime heavyweight Frazier is a different animal to 1996 Tyson. He'd be trying to take more than just an ear offi agree with you pachilles frazier in 71 was in his prime the tyson of 96 was well past his best if tyson wasnt so controversial and disliked by the media the holyfield win in 96 would have been dismissed as a a good win against a badly faded fighter:good

[zadfrak]

Joe Frazier was shit and throwing straight punches...!! could he even throw them..?

Evander Holyfeild was faster, and was not one demensional..! he could box if he wanted to, and mix it up inside...!!!

The only thing Frazier did with his right hand was to throw a straight right hand to the body. The irony is that the guy is not given 1 iota of credit for it. But if you watch Frazier closely, you'll see it was a tremendously accurate punch and he threw a ton of them. Then came the lefthooks everyone talks about. But it was never a case of the guy keeping his right hand glued to his cheekbone.

[Stevie G]

I see Frazier winning. Evander would take the early rounds with a bit of movement and countering while Frazier's warming up. The middle stanzas would be a battle of attrition with Frazier just about getting the better of the exchanges. It would be Joe's pressure which would decide things in the end. If this is a rwelve rounder,frazier would take a close but clear decision,and if it's scheduled for fifteen,the referee would rescue a brave Holyfiedl in the thirteenth or fourteenth.

[leverage]

I'd have to go with frazier based on the pressure factor. Evander has never dealt with anyone that applied pressure like frazier, not even tyson.

[tommygun711]

i would like to see this match no matter the winner
the pressure cooker that fought Ali, and the holyfield that fought bowe
that would be a fight. I can imagine them exchanging punches in the middle of the ring, with holyfield having the edge seeing as he has more of a repertoire of punches, and Frazier only has a left hook.
it would be a great fight, nobodies getting blown away by a random left hook or something

[Mr Butt]

fight in a phone booth time :happy:happy.frazier for me wins a close ud over 15 rounds in a war

[junior-soprano]

evander had great heart but... he is outclassed by joe if it comes to : stamina, heart and guts. joe had more power also then holyfield. i think evander never faced a fighter like 68-71 frazier. and joe did face fighters with the quality of a prime holyfield

[james5000]

Prime for prime Holyfield beats Frazier convincingly I believe by atleast 8 rounds to 4

Offensively Holyfield has too many tools for Frazier to deal with.
Fraziers head first style eats a combination of hooks and upper cuts all night

Holyfield in his prime was quicker, and far more slick

I don't think Frazier hits hard enough for Evander to be worried about going toe 2 toe with him. I think if they do go to the trenches Holyfield's quicker combination's punish Frazier, who only know's one way and that's forward, and his bobbing head first would be an easy target for Holyfield.

Frazier's heart might get him to the finish line but he will be beaten badly

[Vince Voltage]

Frazier in the championship rounds, after taking a pounding earlier. Sound familiar?

[bodhi]

Frazier UD.

[Shake]

Joe Frazier choo-choo's his way to a UD, winning the majority of the late rounds. His engine can run at a pace that Holyfield will not sustain throughout the match. Not that his tongue will be at his heels, but he'll drop rounds.

[the cobra]

My Heavyweight dream fight.


I'd go with peak, FOTC Frazier to take the decision. If he's anything less than that form, he loses.

[Stevie G]

Two fighters that are among my very favourite's; would the real deal be able to get past that smokin' one or would there be too much smoke for the real deal to get past by? :think

In their prime's of coures, at HW, 12 rounds.

I think this would be a close fight. I can see Holyfield troubling Joe early on with fast combinations but when Joe would ˙˙wake up˙˙ and apply more pressure it would be smokin'. I dont think Joe could stop Evander, I can see Holyfield taking a close descision in a 12 round fight...but im not sure about 15 rounds.

Oh and I messed up the poll, in the UD it should be descision - not UD. As there's no way this could be a UD for either imo. :lol:
Holyfield would build up an early lead,untill Frazier's pressure takes it's toll. Joe wears Evander down,resulting in a late rounds stoppage.
Good fight.

[PowerPuncher]

Holyfield would win, he's so much of a better technical boxer, in the early rounds he'd outbox Frazier clearly with his jab, movment and combinations, when Frazier puts the pressure on Holyfield would counter and hold his own in the exchanges and pushing Frazier back the way he did to Tyson and Tua (sparring)

Holyfield UD or late KO

[Goyourownway]

Holyfield,at his peak,was capable of sustaining a phenomenal pace throughout the entire course of a fight.


Holyfield is simply the tougher,much stronger,more durable,more skilled,more complete fighter of the two.Frazier never came close to ever stepping in the ring with a fighter with the offense and punch variety that Evander Holyfield at his peak brought.Holyfield had it all: speed,power,accuracy,volume - he was an offensive machine at his very best.A terrific combination puncher and excellent counter puncher,too.





The fight is Holyfield's regardless of where it takes place.Too quick and sharp for Frazier on the outside,and too strong and imposing for him on the inside.Frazier tries that inside shit with Holyfield and he'll find alot of uppercuts coming in his direction.

[DannyL12345]

Frazier by decision over 12
Frazier by TKO over 15.

[round15]

Frazier TKO inside 12 rounds or earlier.

He'd finish Holyfield where Bert Cooper didn't. Evander would land some good shots, might drop Joe from a counter early in the fight, but he's not stopping him. Frazier=too much pressure, too much body attack for the beefed up cruiserweight.

[crippet]

Well theres not gonna be a stoppage.

So we have a man who never fought 15 rounds at heavyweight against the man who had arguably the most impressive 15 round win in HW history

Frazier UD

[MAG1965]

prime heavyweight Frazier is a different animal to 1996 Tyson. He'd be trying to take more than just an ear offHolyfield was a warrior also. And stylistically I think he would control Frazier (who was smaller than Tyson when he was heavyweight champion).

[left right left]

Left hooks don't bother Holyfield.

Holyfield KO late

[Waynegrade]

First of all, Frazier had zero quit in him... Tyson quit to Holy, his will was broken. Second, does anyone hear really think that Holy could engage `Smokin` Joe in the trenches and come out on top ??? Holyfield was torn up on the inside by Bowe, watch the films. He really got taken to school by Bowe inside. Who was taught the nuances of infighting by the legendary Eddie Futch. Who showed those tricks to Frazier as well. Frazier would get to Holy, who can`t resist a good old fashioned brawl. Frazier, UD or late stoppage. Holy wasn`t the big banger typ heavy that was a nighmare for Frazier (Foreman) and holy doesn`t have one punch juice to keep Frazier off of him.Comparing Frazier to Tyson ? Frazier`s a whole other animal...

[Waynegrade]

I can`t see Holy beating `71` edition Smokin Joe...

[Goyourownway]

Second, does anyone hear really think that Holy could engage `Smokin` Joe in the trenches and come out on top ??? Holyfield was torn up on the inside by Bowe, watch the films. He really got taken to school by Bowe inside. Who was taught the nuances of infighting by the legendary Eddie Futch.




Absolutely.It's important to remember that Bowe always outweighed Holyfield by some thirty pounds when the two fought.This weight advantage allowed Bowe to absorb Holyfield's punches alot easier and such a great weight advantage is always going to be decisive at close quarters.


The fact that Holyfield was able to compete on the inside with Bowe is an amazing feat in itself.Frazier never fought anybody that size with the offensive inside skills that Bowe possessed.

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

Frazier UD