Florian vs Gomi Spoiler

[Beebs]

God, Gomi just looked like a sub-standard fighter, lacking all mental, technical, and, outside of power, physical ability.

He looked better physically than in recent fights, but that was misleading; he was out of gas, or at least breathing hard, after a round of very slow paced boxing.

He also appears to be just as poor off his back against solid grapplers as he ever was.

[Cricket]

No more stims and roids like in Pride.

[québecwarrior]

yep, it even a surprise for me. The legend isnt there no more. He is well past his prime. Florian put a clinic, and finished another fighter. Great finishing skills.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

It isn't about being "past his prime". It is about not being jacked up on every drug imaginable while fighting in Pride. You guys haven't noticed the trend?

[Dehumanized]

No. It's the evolution of MMA. Gomi is the same fighter he was in 2004. He hasn't evolved and adapted to 2010. He's one of many.

[the beaver]

No. It's the evolution of MMA. Gomi is the same fighter he was in 2004. He hasn't evolved and adapted to 2010. He's one of many.

I believe it's a combination of the two

[scurlaruntings]

It isn't about being "past his prime". It is about not being jacked up on every drug imaginable while fighting in Pride. You guys haven't noticed the trend?Whoa you might be onto to something here!! :roll:

[scurlaruntings]

No. It's the evolution of MMA. Gomi is the same fighter he was in 2004. He hasn't evolved and adapted to 2010. He's one of many.Yes an no. The problem is Gomi lost interest in MMA since his days in PRIDE. He wasnt training properly and to be fair some of his opposition were sub standard. Because of this the "kid" just turned up did as little as possible in camp and was busy living the high life. He was a superstar in Japan.

Since his loss to Diaz (and im calling it a loss) he took a brief sabbatical and i assumed he was done with MMA. But it looks like he's back maybe because he has bills to pay. He looked pathetic when he fought Diaz. He was gassed by the end of the first round and his performance smacked of the usual arrogance and disdain he held for what he thought was a substandard opponent. Either way Gomi wont be in the UFC for long. This was a baptism of fire alright but theres no way Gomi has the minerals to hang with the best lightweights in the UFC. Gomi's career has been finished since PRIDE33.

[Koa]

Also, just might be something about him moving to the states to, "become a surfer, oh and do some mma too." He's not focused on mma.

[scurlaruntings]

Also, just might be something about him moving to the states to, "become a surfer, oh and do some mma too." He's not focused on mma.He was getting his surfs up in Japan. Doesnt his dojo do well to? Anyway it matters not Gomi's not interested in MMA and thats been evident for years.

[liger05]

Anyone who thought Gomi was going to make an impact in the UFC obviously hasnt been watching any MMA outside the US. Gomi has been finished for a while and his performance wasnt a surprise at all. His another one that needs to call it a day.

[scurlaruntings]

Anyone who thought Gomi was going to make an impact in the UFC obviously hasnt been watching any MMA outside the US. Gomi has been finished for a while and his performance wasnt a surprise at all. His another one that needs to call it a day.You sure its that? I thought it was the drugs....:think

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Whoa you might be onto to something here!! :roll:
Never mind... you must be right. All of the Pride fighters were just amazing and tremendous in Pride and then 75% of them all just happened to get washed up immediately when they began fighting outside of Pride, regardless of their age or recent performances directly beforehand.

[BewareofDawg]

I'd like to see Gomi fight Diego

[Rattler]

You have to take into consideration that most of those top flight PRIDE guys fought a lot of tough fights before they ever got to the UFC - where most of the top guys are coming into, are in or are just past their prime. It's as much about bad timing as anything.

[EL BULLY]

Even Kenny looked embarrassed at how easy it was.

[scurlaruntings]

Never mind... you must be right. All of the Pride fighters were just amazing and tremendous in Pride and then 75% of them all just happened to get washed up immediately when they began fighting outside of Pride, regardless of their age or recent performances directly beforehand.How did you come to that magical percentage? So lets see.
Nog wins the Interim title. Its pretty clear his wars have washed him up. Remember his wars in PRIDE with Fedor? Nah maybe not..
Rampage despite being on the end of career ending losses still wins the UFC title and had a decent run.
Silva... well is just Silva.
Wandy was shot after devasating losses to CC at the OWGP and Hendo as well as his bout with Hunt that knocked 7 bells out of him.
Sokodjou was he ever a stud? Two KO's over top tier opponents and everyone was ready to jump in his jock?
Mark Coleman shot to shit for YEARS.
CC looked awesome at the OWGP. Came to the UFC took opponents like Gonzaga lightly. Suffered some very awkward injurys from his days in PRIDE and has certainly not translated his talent. Could that be mental? Physical? Who knows. Drugs? Drugs dont turn you into a K1 and MMA ATG and walking highlight reel.
Henderson beat former UFC champ Franklin, Palhares, and completely dessimated Bisping but suffered losses to (oops) two ex PRIDE fighters Silva and Rampage. Despite a good run he's now in Strikeforce.

Now thats just a few thats come off the top of my head. So your magical 75% has just dwindled to a lascivious zero. As for Gomi dont even go there. You've either been watching MMA for a few days or you deliberatly pick and choose what you think is credible information.

[BewareofDawg]

How did you come to that magical percentage? So lets see.
Nog wins the Interim title. Its pretty clear his wars have washed him up. Remember his wars in PRIDE with Fedor? Nah maybe not..
Rampage despite being on the end of career ending losses still wins the UFC title and had a decent run.
Silva... well is just Silva.
Wandy was shot after devasating losses to CC at the OWGP and Hendo as well as his bout with Hunt that knocked 7 bells out of him.
Sokodjou was he ever a stud? Two KO's over top tier opponents and everyone was ready to jump in his jock?
Mark Coleman shot to shit for YEARS.
CC looked awesome at the OWGP. Came to the UFC took opponents like Gonzaga lightly. Suffered some very awkward injurys from his days in PRIDE and has certainly not translated his talent. Could that be mental? Physical? Who knows. Drugs? Drugs dont turn you into a K1 and MMA ATG and walking highlight reel.
Henderson beat former UFC champ Franklin, Palhares, and completely dessimated Bisping but suffered losses to (oops) two ex PRIDE fighters Silva and Rampage. Despite a good run he's now in Strikeforce.

Now thats just a few thats come off the top of my head. So your magical 75% has just dwindled to a lascivious zero. As for Gomi dont even go there. You've either been watching MMA for a few days or you deliberatly pick and choose what you think is credible information.
How about looking at the flip side....

Before Pride was evaporated, the UFC fighters, Middleweight and up were:

Franklin looked to be unbeatable
Liddel looked to be unbeatable
Couture was an MMA God
Silva and Arlovski were the top of the food chain

Franklin loses to:
Henderson - Former Pride Champ
Silva - Twice, former Pride Fighter

Liddel - Gets knocked the fuck out by Rampage and Shogun

Machida comes from Pride and is now the Best LHW in the world

Couture gets dominated by Nog

Sylvia gets choked out by Nog and annhialated by Fedor
Arlovski gets brutally knocked the fuck out and posterized by Fedor

[scurlaruntings]

How about looking at the flip side....

Before Pride was evaporated, the UFC fighters, Middleweight and up were:

Franklin looked to be unbeatable
Liddel looked to be unbeatable
Couture was an MMA God
Silva and Arlovski were the top of the food chain

Franklin loses to:
Henderson - Former Pride Champ
Silva - Twice, former Pride Fighter

Liddel - Gets knocked the fuck out by Rampage and Shogun

Machida comes from Pride and is now the Best LHW in the world

Couture gets dominated by Nog

Sylvia gets choked out by Nog and annhialated by Fedor
Arlovski gets brutally knocked the fuck out and posterized by FedorThats too easy. :thumbsup

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

How did you come to that magical percentage? So lets see.
Nog wins the Interim title. Its pretty clear his wars have washed him up. Remember his wars in PRIDE with Fedor? Nah maybe not..
Rampage despite being on the end of career ending losses still wins the UFC title and had a decent run.
Silva... well is just Silva.
Wandy was shot after devasating losses to CC at the OWGP and Hendo as well as his bout with Hunt that knocked 7 bells out of him.
Sokodjou was he ever a stud? Two KO's over top tier opponents and everyone was ready to jump in his jock?
Mark Coleman shot to shit for YEARS.
CC looked awesome at the OWGP. Came to the UFC took opponents like Gonzaga lightly. Suffered some very awkward injurys from his days in PRIDE and has certainly not translated his talent. Could that be mental? Physical? Who knows. Drugs? Drugs dont turn you into a K1 and MMA ATG and walking highlight reel.
Henderson beat former UFC champ Franklin, Palhares, and completely dessimated Bisping but suffered losses to (oops) two ex PRIDE fighters Silva and Rampage. Despite a good run he's now in Strikeforce.

Now thats just a few thats come off the top of my head. So your magical 75% has just dwindled to a lascivious zero. As for Gomi dont even go there. You've either been watching MMA for a few days or you deliberatly pick and choose what you think is credible information.
You don't have to label every fighter that has ever fought in Pride as a "Pride fighter"... that has always been silly to me. Anderson Silva was hardly a "pride fighter"... he definitely wasn't a long time staple of that organization. He is much more of a UFC fighter by that logic than he ever was a "Pride fighter". Anyways... my point stands.

Cro-Cop was on top of the world... people claiming that he would even beat Fedor if they fought again after the OWGP... he comes into the UFC and what do we hear? "He isn't the same fighter that he was in Pride".

Shogun was on top of the World at 205. He couldn't be touched outside of his fight with Coleman. He comes over to the UFC ONLY 7 MONTHS AFTER HE JUST KNOCKED OUT ALISTAIR OVERREEM IN PRIDE!! Loses in embarrassing fashion to Forrest Griffin and what do we hear? "Shogun isn't the same fighter that he was in Pride".

Big Nog comes to the UFC just a half a year after beating one of the best Heavyweights in the World in Josh Barnett. He comes over to the UFC and despite having won the "interm" title... has had a VERY rough run... even in his wins. What do we hear? "Big Nog isn't the same fighter that he was in Pride".

Heath Herring comes to the UFC. Having been a former successful Pride fighter. Loses in his first fight to an upstart no-name fighter. What do we hear? "Heath Herring isn't the same fighter that he used to be".

Wanderlei Silva comes into the UFC. Yes, he had just been knocked out twice in Pride to Hendo and Cro-Cop. However, he also had a big run in Pride and was still a beast in his fights over there directly before those losses. We all know about his wins a couple years before those losses, but even directly before he had beat Arona, and absolutely brutalized Fujita. He has looked very ordinary in the UFC outside of his great KO win over Jardine that was a blast to watch. Let's not forget that DIRECTLY before he was beat twice in pride everyone was talking about how great he was and how excited everyone was for a showdown between him and Couture or him and Liddell. People can lose two fights in a row without being washed up. Especially when they were against a Heavyweight in Cro Cop and Hendo. However... true to form... the first thing that we hear after Silva's first fight and loss in the UFC is "Silva isn't the same fighter that he was in Pride".

Yes... I list Gomi the exact same way. I don't give a shit what anyone says. He isn't old... he came in very good physical shape. He is still the same human being who fought in Pride. However, in this case I think everything is very simple. Gomi didn't really have any top level competition in Pride. I don't think Gomi was ever a great fighter. That's just reality. Very tough fighter and clearly better than what they had in his weight class in Pride for the most part. However... he would have never beaten the best guys in the UFC.

I remember when Rampage first came into the UFC and had his first fight with Eastman. I remember people coming on here even then and saying that Rampage wasn't the same fighter that he was in Pride. It's just amazing... and it drives me crazy.:lol: Rampage obviously went on to have a successful run in the UFC. Sokoudjou was hyped like crazy after knocking out Lil Nog and Arona in Pride. We all know what happened to him afterwards, and I saw you try to sweep that one under the rug real quick.;) I won't bother trying to look into this any deeper... but you guys get the point.

[scurlaruntings]

You wasnt doing too bad up until you mentioned Heath Herring. I stopped reading at that point.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

You wasnt doing too bad up until you mentioned Heath Herring. I stopped reading at that point.
:lol:

Anyways, I am not saying that all of the Pride fighters were on every drug imaginable. I was sort of getting a rise out of people with my first post. However, I do know from first hand sources that it was HORRIBLE over there with drugs. To the point where they give you a list of things that they will NOT be testing you for. Which obviously leads to fighters trying to use anything they can to keep up with the rest of the fighters and try to get an edge. I sure as hell can't blame them. I am sure not all of them were on something when they fought... but A LOT were. My point has always been that Pride fighters were really hyped up beyond what they were. I loved Pride, and watched it just as much as I watched the UFC. However, people really went over the top in pretending that these fighters were so much greater than they were, and it showed as soon as these fighters began to mix it up with fighters outside of Pride... outside of Japan.

[scurlaruntings]

:lol:

Anyways, I am not saying that all of the Pride fighters were on every drug imaginable. I was sort of getting a rise out of people with my first post. However, I do know from first hand sources that it was HORRIBLE over there with drugs. To the point where they give you a list of things that they will NOT be testing you for. Which obviously leads to fighters trying to use anything they can to keep up with the rest of the fighters and try to get an edge. I sure as hell can't blame them. I am sure not all of them were on something when they fought... but A LOT were. My point has always been that Pride fighters were really hyped up beyond what they were. I loved Pride, and watched it just as much as I watched the UFC. However, people really went over the top in pretending that these fighters were so much greater than they were, and it showed as soon as these fighters began to mix it up with fighters outside of Pride... outside of Japan.

PRIDE had the most depth in MMA at the time. The hype was legitimate.
Anyway if you want to talk drugs look no further than your boy Coleman. Him and Kerr were on everything you can think of. Coleman wasnt as juiced up to the gills as Kerr but he was defintly a long term abuser.

[québecwarrior]

How about looking at the flip side....

Before Pride was evaporated, the UFC fighters, Middleweight and up were:

Franklin looked to be unbeatable
Liddel looked to be unbeatable
Couture was an MMA God
Silva and Arlovski were the top of the food chain

Franklin loses to:
Henderson - Former Pride Champ
Silva - Twice, former Pride Fighter

Liddel - Gets knocked the fuck out by Rampage and Shogun

Machida comes from Pride and is now the Best LHW in the world

Couture gets dominated by Nog

Sylvia gets choked out by Nog and annhialated by Fedor
Arlovski gets brutally knocked the fuck out and posterized by Fedor
Since when Machida comes from Pride?

[BewareofDawg]

Since when Machida comes from Pride?
:huh

[québecwarrior]

:huh

I mean, he never fought for them , under their banner. I'm asking you?

[jimmie]

Im not going to get into Gomi possibly doing drugs or not. Ill say this watching his reflexes this guy is past his prime that cant be argued. Very good fighter still and outstanding performence by Kenny Florian he didnt struggle in the slightest in this fight so what could a prime Gomi really do ?

[Koa]

Depends on the rules.

BJJ guy, or wrestler goes for a single or double leg and Gomi happens to stuff it. They get knocked out, plain and simple knees to the head.

This, is one of the reasons I think there should be more merit to stuffs, in a sense they are just as bad as a full mount.

[chimba]

Its amazing to see Gomi like this. Not one iota of skill. This is the same fighter who defeated Luiz Azeredo (an incredibly technical striker) twice!

This is also the same guy who made quick work of Sakurai. Its pretty much a combination of no juice and lack of evolution as a fighter as been written already. Thats a lethal combo.

[boxingcar]

It isn't about being "past his prime". It is about not being jacked up on every drug imaginable while fighting in Pride. You guys haven't noticed the trend?

I don't think that would've made much of a difference...

He also lost in japan last year....Against Kitaoka...it only took Kitaoka 1 round to finish him. (in less than 2 minutes).

[boxingcar]

Even Kenny looked embarrassed at how easy it was.

It still took him 3 rounds to get the job done...Satoru Kitaoka got the job done in less than 2 minutes last year.

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[BewareofDawg]

I mean, he never fought for them , under their banner. I'm asking you?
I know, I posted that at myself because I just threw him down there not realizing he never fought there. :good

[RUSKULL]

I think the rules difference impacts former PRIDE fighers as much as anything else. No kicks or knees to the head are allowed to the opponent if one of his knees is down. That & fighting in an octogon shaped cage rather than a regular ring................to a lesser degree.

[EL BULLY]

It still took him 3 rounds to get the job done...Satoru Kitaoka got the job done in less than 2 minutes last year.

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Easy as in KF had to take no risks. Jab, jab, jab, jab, jab for two and a half rounds then RNC.

Gomi was shit on his feet and rolled into the sub like a novice. Did he hit, take down or trouble K-Flo at all?