Rank these guys in order please im putting a list together

[anarci]

Ok im in the starting process of putting a all time best Mexican-American fighters list together im pretty set on my top 10. But these guys just outside thettop 10 list are pretty much on par as far as Resume,Skill,HTH and prestige in their career. im gonna give points on 10 1st 9for 2nd and so forth.

Carlos Palomino
Genaro Hernandez
Fernando Vargas
Paulie Ayala
Art Aragon
Mando Ramos
Diego Corrales
Albert Davila
Tony Lopez
Gabriel Ruelas

[anarci]

Did i put too many guys or is this list to hard for ESB?

[Boxed Ears]

Pongsak-....uh...You better wait a while. I have some comments to get out of my system first.

[Pachilles]

Albert Davila
Art Aragon
Carlos Palomino
Diego Corrales
Fernando Vargas
Gabriel Ruelas
Genaro Hernandez
Mando Ramos
Paulie Ayala
Tony Lopez

[lora]

Some of them are really hard to seperate.

I'd say Mando Ramos, Palomino and Davila were the best at their peak.Ruelas was a fine talent too imo, but didn't do as much sadly.

Paulie Ayala and Corrales were the least talented\effective to me.Corrales was a top puncher always overhyped and fragile.

The others all relatively equal.

[anarci]

Some of them are really hard to seperate.

I'd say Mando Ramos, Palomino and Davila were the best at their peak.Ruelas was a fine talent too imo, but didn't do as much sadly.

Paulie Ayala and Corrales were the least talented\effective to me.Corrales was a top puncher always overhyped and fragile.

The others all relatively equal.
Well thanks for your perspective but i kind of knew that. THat is why i made this thread cause some fighters are better than others in the skill department while the others have a better resume,and some a combination of both. If you can rank these guys id appreaciate the feedback, as i like hearing your opinion on boxing:good

I agree with RUelas he looked like a future ATG, but was never the same after he killed Jimmy Garcia. What about Vargas,Aragon,Tony Lopez,Chicanito? I was gonna throw Tony Ayala,Jesse Leija,Richie Sandoval in here too but i didnt want to make this list bigger than it already is.

[Pachilles]

Well thanks for your perspective but i kind of knew that. THat is why i made this thread cause some fighters are better than others in the skill department while the others have a better resume,and some a combination of both. If you can rank these guys id appreaciate the feedback, as i like hearing your opinion on boxing:good

I agree with RUelas he looked like a future ATG, but was never the same after he killed Jimmy Garcia. What about Vargas,Aragon,Tony Lopez,Chicanito? I was gonna throw Tony Ayala,Jesse Leija,Richie Sandoval in here too but i didnt want to make this list bigger than it already is.

what do you think of my list?

[anarci]

what do you think of my list?

I think Corrales was a little high and Mando and Genaro kind of low but overall its pretty decent, i cant argue with too many variations as there is not a whole lot seperating these guys, thats why i posted this thread. Having a tough time putting them in order,

I see you like Davila he had some great skills only lost to the best. Used to see him at the Gym back in the days he was training David Kamau had a lot of spunk, the type of trainer to ride your ass if you were slacking. Kind of like Mick from Rocky:lol:

[Flea Man]

Alberto Davila was a very tidy operator. One of my 'cult favourites' so to speak, I have no doubt he'd clean up Bantam and super Bantam in todays current climate.

[anarci]

Alberto Davila was a very tidy operator. One of my 'cult favourites' so to speak, I have no doubt he'd clean up Bantam and super Bantam in todays current climate. Even though i think the Bantams are one of the best divisions in boxing right know, id say i agree with you, I would pick him over Hasegawa,Perez,Darchinyan,Montiel,Agbeko.

Hey Flea can you giveme your ranking of those 10 i posted?

[anarci]

Alberto Davila was a very tidy operator. One of my 'cult favourites' so to speak, I have no doubt he'd clean up Bantam and super Bantam in todays current climate.

What do you think about Mando Ramos? wpuld you have Vargas towards the top or bottom out of these guys?

[Pachilles]

I think Corrales was a little high and Mando and Genaro kind of low but overall its pretty decent, i cant argue with too many variations as there is not a whole lot seperating these guys, thats why i posted this thread. Having a tough time putting them in order,

I see you like Davila he had some great skills only lost to the best. Used to see him at the Gym back in the days he was training David Kamau had a lot of spunk, the type of trainer to ride your ass if you were slacking. Kind of like Mick from Rocky:lol:

well tbh i've never even heard of half those guys, i just put them in alphabetical order

[anarci]

well tbh i've never even heard of half those guys, i just put them in alphabetical order Well maybe thats cause you dont know anything about boxing:yep YOUR hero that you have in your avi isnt any better than any of these guys, in fact i would rate at least half these guys over him.

[darling dame]

Id have to put Ramos,Davila,Aragon up there.HONESTLY I THInk Vargas was very very overated. Mando didnt take care of himself.maybe he would have been better off moving up to welter aftewr Laguna beat the tar out of him.

[Pachilles]

Well maybe thats cause you dont know anything about boxing:yep YOUR hero that you have in your avi isnt any better than any of these guys, in fact i would rate at least half these guys over him.

Didnt mean anything by it babes, was just messing around.

I don't claim to know anything other than what ive seen. And my hero doesn't have to be good, he just has to fight his heart out in every single fight hes in.

[anarci]

Didnt mean anything by it babes, was just messing around.

I don't claim to know anything other than what ive seen. And my hero doesn't have to be good, he just has to fight his heart out in every single fight hes in. LIke every guy on that list? Except Hernandez fight with ODLH

[anarci]

:bbb

[My2Sense]

Carlos Palomino
Genaro Hernandez
Fernando Vargas
Paulie Ayala
Art Aragon
Mando Ramos
Diego Corrales
Albert Davila
Tony Lopez
Gabriel Ruelas

Lopez
Palomino
Aragon
Corrales
Ruelas
Vargas
Ramos
Hernandez
Ayala
Davila

[anarci]

Lopez
Palomino
Aragon
Corrales
Ruelas
Vargas
Ramos
Hernandez
Ayala
Davila Really? I would have had Lopez near the bottom.
:goodFor putting out a list though

[My2Sense]

Really? I would have had Lopez near the bottom.


He has a very good resume and set of achievements. I'd say he has to be among the top 3-4 on that list.

[anarci]

He has a very good resume and set of achievements. I'd say he has to be among the top 3-4 on that list.

So does Hernandez and id put money on him in a HTH matchup.

[ricardinho]

Ok im in the starting process of putting a all time best Mexican-American fighters list together im pretty set on my top 10. But these guys just outside thettop 10 list are pretty much on par as far as Resume,Skill,HTH and prestige in their career. im gonna give points on 10 1st 9for 2nd and so forth.

Carlos Palomino
Genaro Hernandez
Fernando Vargas
Paulie Ayala
Art Aragon
Mando Ramos
Diego Corrales
Albert Davila
Tony Lopez
Gabriel Ruelas


Vargas
Palomino
Corrales
Aragon
Ramos
Genaro
Ruelas
Ayala
Lopez
Davila

its kind of tough but this is my list for now....

[anarci]

Vargas
Palomino
Corrales
Aragon
Ramos
Genaro
Ruelas
Ayala
Lopez
Davila

its kind of tough but this is my list for now....
How much of Davila have you seen Ricardo? I think Corrales is a little high but:good for putting up alist.

[ricardinho]

How much of Davila have you seen Ricardo? I think Corrales is a little high but:good for putting up alist.

I have seen none of Davilas fights..

I had a concern where I placed corrales as well....I think I placed him higher than he deserves as well.

[ricardinho]

Vargas
Palomino
Aragon
Ramos
Corrales
Genaro
Ruelas
Ayala
Lopez

--I don't know where to place Davila

[anarci]

Vargas
Palomino
Aragon
Ramos
Corrales
Genaro
Ruelas
Ayala
Lopez

--I don't know where to place Davila I would put him in the top 5 out of these 10, you could make a case for top 3. Davila was a great technichian tough chin fast, short with average power. He fought in a great era of bantams too bad he didnt win a title till he was older when he tragically killed Kiko Bejines in the ring. Loss to 2 greats Gomez and Zarate. But went 1-1 with Pintor beat a faded Rodolfo Martinez,Alberto "super Fly"Sandoval and 1-1 with Frankie Duarte.

[My2Sense]

So does Hernandez ...

I don't know about that. He has a nice notch on his belt with Nelson, but on the whole I'd say he has one of the less deep resumes out of the fighters listed.

[ricardinho]

I would put him in the top 5 out of these 10, you could make a case for top 3. Davila was a great technichian tough chin fast, short with average power. He fought in a great era of bantams too bad he didnt win a title till he was older when he tragically killed Kiko Bejines in the ring. Loss to 2 greats Gomez and Zarate. But went 1-1 with Pintor beat a faded Rodolfo Martinez,Alberto "super Fly"Sandoval and 1-1 with Frankie Duarte.

I think that Vargas in his weight is #15 all time at Junior Middle ...

Genaro was awesome if he had never hurt his wrist he would have been top ten materiel

Tony Lopez and Ayala are the worst in the bunch

Ruelas ...could have gone far if he had never fought Garcia

Ramos is a badass that would be competitive in any era.

Your Paisa Art was really solid

[anarci]

I don't know about that. He has a nice notch on his belt with Nelson, but on the whole I'd say he has one of the less deep resumes out of the fighters listed.
His resume was pretty decent he defended his title 12x and the win over Nelson was definitely big, Beat a prime Paez,Famoso and had a number of solid defenses over solid(not spectacular) opposition. Only 2 losses and that was against 2 elite fighters of this past generation Mayweather and ODLH. I think Hernandez should be able to get in the HOF one day.

[ricardinho]

His resume was pretty decent he defended his title 12x and the win over Nelson was definitely big, Beat a prime Paez,Famoso and had a number of solid defenses over solid(not spectacular) opposition. Only 2 losses and that was against 2 elite fighters of this past generation Mayweather and ODLH. I think Hernandez should be able to get in the HOF one day.

Anarci... do you remember what Genaro did to Jibaro Perez... that body punch was awesome. So good that Oscar canceled negotiations to fight him. He was set to fight him for his title....in fact Oscar was in the audience and got scared when Genaro ko'd the guy for half an hour.

Plus Genaro was a superfeather when he fought Oscar at 135 ... had Mosley not broken his nose who knows?

[anarci]

I think that Vargas in his weight is #15 all time at Junior Middle ...

Genaro was awesome if he had never hurt his wrist he would have been top ten materiel

Tony Lopez and Ayala are the worst in the bunch

Ruelas ...could have gone far if he had never fought Garcia

Ramos is a badass that would be competitive in any era.

Your Paisa Art was really solid Actually Vargas is easy top 10 JM i have him roughly around 7 or 8. I agree with you on Genaro, but i think it was his hands that were the problem he through very hard punches but his hands were brittle, can you imagine Genaro with big power? Man he would have been an ATG if he did, and he would have had it not been for his hands as it was he had decent power. I was really big on Ruelas and i saw Future atg written all over until after the Garcia tragedy. Art wasnt a paisa in fact he use to piss of some of the Mexicano fans cause he said he was Spanish:lol: You know that always gets the Mexicanos going.

[ricardinho]

Actually Vargas is easy top 10 JM i have him roughly around 7 or 8. I agree with you on Genaro, but i think it was his hands that were the problem he through very hard punches but his hands were brittle, can you imagine Genaro with big power? Man he would have been an ATG if he did, and he would have had it not been for his hands as it was he had decent power. I was really big on Ruelas and i saw Future atg written all over until after the Garcia tragedy. Art wasnt a paisa in fact he use to piss of some of the Mexicano fans cause he said he was Spanish:lol: You know that always gets the Mexicanos going.

Art is from New Mexico... like your Dad thats what I meant

[My2Sense]

Beat a prime Paez,...

Paez was well past his prime by that point. His prime was prior to the Ruelas fight, which is when Lopez beat him.

[anarci]

Art is from New Mexico... like your Dad thats what I meant

Oh ok got you, actually my dads from LA but all his older bros and sisters were born in New Mexico, you know saying your Spanish is a Borque thang:lol:

[ricardinho]

Oh ok got you, actually my dads from LA but all his older bros and sisters were born in New Mexico, you know saying your Spanish is a Borque thang:lol:

I have met people from New Mexico that say the same thing. I met a girl from there that when I finished with her she finally admitted that she had Mexican in her.

[anarci]

Paez was well past his prime by that point. His prime was prior to the Ruelas fight, which is when Lopez beat him.

Ok i stand corrected:good I had forgotten about that, what i should have said was that Paez was still a good fighter but on the slide, he actually gave Genaro a tough fight.

[anarci]

I have met people from New Mexico that say the same thing. I met a girl from there that when I finished with her she finally admitted that she had Mexican in her.
:lol::lol: Literally or figuratively:huh:lol:

Actually though there were alot of Spaniards that settled there many centuries ago, lot of the latinos that have been in New Mexico for centurys are mixed with Mexican,Native American,Spanish and White too. Notice lot of huero complexions over there like Tapia for instance.

[ricardinho]

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[anarci]

Same thing in Jalisco ... I am 6 ft 3 my older brother is 6 ft 5


These are two of my Relatives that Live in England
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These are pics of Cousin,Nephew, Niece, and her husband. (he is not their father)
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1st picture the ones in England could pass for Latino(with SPanish blood) how is it you have family in England?
2nd Pic the kids look Gringo.

[ricardinho]

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[anarci]

Intresting stuff:good Your girl cousin that lives in England reminds me of Julia Roberts.

Ok back to my list im still having a tough time seperating these guys

Art Aragon probably has the most wins over top competition although he never got a title shot. Mando Ramos might be the most skilled but fell short of his potential, Fernando Vargas has some good wins and his skills are a little underrated but he had a short career compared to many of the others. Palomino might have the best name here but was he really better than some of those guys^^ probably not as physically gifted as them. Albert Davila imight be the best boxer of all of them,but although he has some good wins he is more known for losing to the best. Diego Corrales was a great puncher and actually has some big wins as well as 2 titles despite a few glaring weakness as a ring general. Tony Lopez might have the best resume here and at JL was pretty damn good for a while but i also see most of these guys as better all around fighters. Paulie Ayala has become underrated i thought he was quick handed excellent chin and a good boxer but below average power, and i thought the 1st Tapia fight could have been a draw and Tapia should have got the 2nd win. Gabriel Ruelas should have been better than all these guys but he probably has the lesser resume of these guys.

[ricardinho]

Intresting stuff:good Your girl cousin that lives in England reminds me of Julia Roberts.

Ok back to my list im still having a tough time seperating these guys

Art Aragon probably has the most wins over top competition although he never got a title shot. Mando Ramos might be the most skilled but fell short of his potential, Fernando Vargas has some good wins and his skills are a little underrated but he had a short career compared to many of the others. Palomino might have the best name here but was he really better than some of those guys^^ probably not as physically gifted as them. Albert Davila imight be the best boxer of all of them,but although he has some good wins he is more known for losing to the best. Diego Corrales was a great puncher and actually has some big wins as well as 2 titles despite a few glaring weakness as a ring general. Tony Lopez might have the best resume here and at JL was pretty damn good for a while but i also see most of these guys as better all around fighters. Paulie Ayala has become underrated i thought he was quick handed excellent chin and a good boxer but below average power, and i thought the 1st Tapia fight could have been a draw and Tapia should have got the 2nd win. Gabriel Ruelas should have been better than all these guys but he probably has the lesser resume of these guys.

I think it will be tough due to a lack of film... who is on your top ten...

my strength is in Mexican fighters from Mexico not Chicano's.

I honestly don't think that Ayala belongs in the top 20 at all.

Tony Lopez is the Chicano version of Miguel Angel Gonzalez...

[anarci]

I think it will be tough due to a lack of film... who is on your top ten...

my strength is in Mexican fighters from Mexico not Chicano's.

I honestly don't think that Ayala belongs in the top 20 at all.

Tony Lopez is the Chicano version of Miguel Angel Gonzalez... Actually i Ricardo you can find all these guys on you tube:yep Check it out! I would post them on here but i dont know how:patsch:-( Art aragons fight with Basillio is on there(not one of his best fights) and all those other guys i pretty much grew up with or fought fairly recently. mando Ramos was a little before my time but ive seen alot of footage of him,also met him several times before he passed away. Always a regular at the fights Forum,Olympic etcetc a real joker and a helluva a nice guy had been sober for many years, Maybe you didnt recognize him at the fights as he was weighing at least 100lbs over his fighting weight.
As for Lopez he was much quicker as a JL than at LW where he slowed down, he actually had good lateral movement and good boxing skills when he was younger. When he slowed down he was more of a gritty rough and tough fighter.

[ricardinho]

Actually i Ricardo you can find all these guys on you tube:yep Check it out! I would post them on here but i dont know how:patsch:-( Art aragons fight with Basillio is on there(not one of his best fights) and all those other guys i pretty much grew up with or fought fairly recently. mando Ramos was a little before my time but ive seen alot of footage of him,also met him several times before he passed away. Always a regular at the fights Forum,Olympic etcetc a real joker and a helluva a nice guy had been sober for many years, Maybe you didnt recognize him at the fights as he was weighing at least 100lbs over his fighting weight.
As for Lopez he was much quicker as a JL than at LW where he slowed down, he actually had good lateral movement and good boxing skills when he was younger. When he slowed down he was more of a gritty rough and tough fighter.

Next time I run into Chango I will ask him what he thought of Mando.

[anarci]

As for Paulie you could be right cause there is about another 10 guys that i havent mentioned in the top 30 who you might think are better.
Richie Sandoval
Ruben Castillo
Jesse j leija
Yaqui Lopez
Gaby Canizales
Danny Romero
Ernie Lopez
Armando Muniz
Loreto Garza
Tony Ayala
Mike Ayala
Jaime Garza
Lupe Aquino
Paul Banke
Juan Meza
Oscar Albarado
Ruben Navarro
RUdy Robles
as well as some old timers
Mexican Joe Rivers
Aurellio Herrera who might end up being ranked high
Ramon Fuentes
Cisco Andrade
Carlos Chavez and a whole bunch of other guys who i have yet to figure out yet might take me awhile to make out a good list.

[anarci]

Next time I run into Chango I will ask him what he thought of Mando.
I hear Mando was pretty wasted by the time Chango got him(not to take nothing from Chango). My dad tells me that Chango beat a beating on Ramos.

Oh some of the guys in my top 10 are Carbajal,Danny Lopez,Bobby Chacon,JohnnyTapia,Orlando Canizales,Manny Ortiz,ODLH

Some of the other guys in the top 30 or 50 are Raul Rojas,Rafeal Ruelas,Hector Lopez,Zack Padilla,Robert Quiroga KID COLIMA one of the first Chicano fighters of note. Also Johnny Romero who has a win over Archie Moore!!

[ricardinho]

I hear Mando was pretty wasted by the time Chango got him(not to take nothing from Chango). My dad tells me that Chango beat a beating on Ramos.

Oh some of the guys in my top 10 are Carbajal,Danny Lopez,Bobby Chacon,JohnnyTapia,Orlando Canizales,Manny Ortiz,ODLH

Some of the other guys in the top 30 or 50 are Raul Rojas,Rafeal Ruelas,Hector Lopez,Zack Padilla,Robert Quiroga KID COLIMA one of the first Chicano fighters of note. Also Johnny Romero who has a win over Archie Moore!!

Incidentally where do you have Danny Romero... he was fun to watch... I did not expect Tapia to destroy him

[anarci]

Incidentally where do you have Danny Romero... he was fun to watch... I did not expect Tapia to destroy him
I am not sure yet as many of the fighters are very close. Danny Romero was a beast in his prime and he was the slight favorite against a prime Tapia. Romero is probably the strongest fly ive ever seen and a true one punch ko artist at that weight. I think i was leaning towards him to beat Tapia even though i wasnt surprised Tapia won it, but i didnt think he would win that convincingly. Romero will probably end up between 30-40 although on ability at fly and JB you can make a case for top 30.

Also forgot to add Joey Olivo he fought at Hollenback (where i did as a youngster) i remember back then seeing film of him and Myung woo Yuh and he won that fight Yuh is considered by many on ESB here to be one of the greatest little guys ever. Yuh Won a Split decision in Korea so you figure it out who really won. Olivo was from Hazard he was a real tall fly like 5-8 and super fast (not much power) he also gave the great Zapata a tough fight. You know yuh is addies idol and thinks hes better than Chiquita Carbajal and Lopez, well my old stabelmate beat him but got robbed.:yep

[ricardinho]

I am not sure yet as many of the fighters are very close. Danny Romero was a beast in his prime and he was the slight favorite against a prime Tapia. Romero is probably the strongest fly ive ever seen and a true one punch ko artist at that weight. I think i was leaning towards him to beat Tapia even though i wasnt surprised Tapia won it, but i didnt think he would win that convincingly. Romero will probably end up between 30-40 although on ability at fly and JB you can make a case for top 30.

Also forgot to add Joey Olivo he fought at Hollenback (where i did as a youngster) i remember back then seeing film of him and Myung woo Yuh and he won that fight Yuh is considered by many on ESB here to be one of the greatest little guys ever. Yuh Won a Split decision in Korea so you figure it out who really won. Olivo was from Hazard he was a real tall fly like 5-8 and super fast (not much power) he also gave the great Zapata a tough fight. You know yuh is addies idol and thinks hes better than Chiquita Carbajal and Lopez, well my old stabelmate beat him but got robbed.:yep

I remember seeing him fight at Olympic and I was so impressed..although Tapia fought as well I was not impressed with him until I caught one of his HBO fights.

[anarci]

Had dinner with Pops today and asked him about these guys im comparing on ESB, he is very knowledgeable and seen a whos who of the top west coast and mexican fighters fight live in the last 40 years so his opinion I hold in hIgh regard. He had Palomino over Vargas without hestitation, and he is not some cranky old nostalic old man even though he is older than 90% of the classic posters he is not stuck in the past. He had Ramos slightly over Aragon. Told me i should have Canizales,Chacon over Tapia too but he admitted it was cause of Tapias light or average punching ability my dad has always been partial to puncher(Danny Lopez is his favorite). Said Chicanito should be above Vargas and only slightly behind Palomino. Surprised he told me Ernie Lopez was better than 1/2 the guys i mentioned on this thread reminded me if it wasnt for Jose Napoloes he would have been a good champion.

[la-califa]

Of the ones listed,
Palomino
Davila
Ramos
Hernandez
Aaragon
Ruelas
Vargas
Corrales

Whats your top ten list?

[anarci]

Of the ones listed,
Palomino
Davila
Ramos
Hernandez
Aaragon
Ruelas
Vargas
Corrales

Whats your top ten list? You forgot to place Paulie Ayala andTony Lopez.

But to answer you question in no particular order ODLH,Ortiz,Chacon,Tapia,Canizales,Carbajal,Danny Lopez are above those guys and possibly Aurelio Herrera. My pops said Ernie Lopez was better than half those guys on this thread. We will see i want to be set in my opinon before i put it out.

[la-califa]

You forgot to place Paulie Ayala andTony Lopez.

But to answer you question in no particular order ODLH,Ortiz,Chacon,Tapia,Canizales,Carbajal,Danny Lopez are above those guys and possibly Aurelio Herrera. My pops said Ernie Lopez was better than half those guys on this thread. We will see i want to be set in my opinon before i put it out.Oh yeah. sorry
Mando Muniz
Tony Lopez
Paulie Ayala
Worth a mention:
Antonio Margarito
Frankie Duarte
Richard Sandoval
Tony Baltazar (from my hometown)!
John Montes Jr.

[la-califa]

Couple of other notable fighters for you consider. Jesse J. Lieja & Alvaro "Yaqui" K
Lopez. Tony Ayala Jr.?

[lora]

yeah, Yaqui and Ernie Lopez were excellent fighters.Not flashy, but good schooled, tough as nails boxer-punchers, solid in almost every area.

[PhillyPhan69]

Ok im in the starting process of putting a all time best Mexican-American fighters list together im pretty set on my top 10. But these guys just outside thettop 10 list are pretty much on par as far as Resume,Skill,HTH and prestige in their career. im gonna give points on 10 1st 9for 2nd and so forth.

Carlos Palomino
Genaro Hernandez
Fernando Vargas
Paulie Ayala
Art Aragon
Mando Ramos
Diego Corrales
Albert Davila
Tony Lopez
Gabriel Ruelas

Lopez
Aragon
Palomino
Ramos
Davila
Vargas
Hernandez
Ruelas
Ayala
Corrales

[anarci]

Oh yeah. sorry
Mando Muniz
Tony Lopez
Paulie Ayala
Worth a mention:
Antonio Margarito
Frankie Duarte
Richard Sandoval
Tony Baltazar (from my hometown)!
John Montes Jr.

So your from La Puente?:good I live in West Covina from Rosemead originally we got a lot of SGV posters here on ESB. I was a fan of Baltazar too big puncher and very exciting but i can think of a lot of other guys above him and Montes the other ones you mentioned were better than those 2. Like Zack Padilla who is underrated, Margarito i guess techinally could be considered Mex/American since he was born here but he is raised in Tijuana. Yaqui Lopez is on the next list, Sandoval,Muniz and a lot of other guys that havent been mentioned.

Ruben Navarro,Loreto Garza,Carlos Chavez,Fabela Chavez, Tony Ayala,Jess J Leija,Lupe Aquino,Oscar Albarado,Rudy Robles,Julio Gonzalez,Steve Cruz,Mike Ayala,Louie Espinoza,Jaime Garza,Juan Meza,Gaby Canizales are among many others yet to be mentioned

[ricardinho]

So your from La Puente?:good I live in West Covina from Rosemead originally we got a lot of SGV posters here on ESB. I was a fan of Baltazar too big puncher and very exciting but i can think of a lot of other guys above him and Montes the other ones you mentioned were better than those 2. Like Zack Padilla who is underrated, Margarito i guess techinally could be considered Mex/American since he was born here but he is raised in Tijuana. Yaqui Lopez is on the next list, Sandoval,Muniz and a lot of other guys that havent been mentioned.

Ruben Navarro,Loreto Garza,Carlos Chavez,Fabela Chavez, Tony Ayala,Jess J Leija,Lupe Aquino,Oscar Albarado,Rudy Robles,Julio Gonzalez,Steve Cruz,Mike Ayala,Louie Espinoza,Jaime Garza,Juan Meza,Gaby Canizales are among many others yet to be mentioned

Quite a few of us from the SGV...