Does anyone give Edgar a prayer ????

[thewinfella]

The more i think about this fight the more im thinking why ???????

Frankie is good yes but come on , do we really need to sit through another stand up clinic & late submission from Penn to know he's too good for the 155lb division ????

Thoughts .

[196osh]

BJ is going to beat him up.

[scurlaruntings]

No one stands a chance vs Penn at 155. Penn needs to move back to 170.

[codeman99998]

Anything is possible in MMA. I hope BJ doesn't take Edgar for granted. That said, BJ is a clear clear favorite and it would be one of the biggest upsets in MMA history if Edgar won.

[québecwarrior]

Don't think so.

[jimmie]

Nope. Like Edgar he works hard, has collected a good resume and is very well rounded. That said he doesnt do any 1 thing on BJs level. How do you beat BJ at Lightweight ? His cardio at 55 is amazing, he dont cut or swell much so there goes that fluke injury, cant possibly be took down, is rarely hit and when he is it has no effect on him, his BJJ is to great so you cant submitt him hell if you get him down how is a Lightweight passing his guard ? IMO Kenny Florian is clearly the UFCs secound best Lightweight and he is so far behind BJ. When BJ actually got serious in that fight what happened ? He picked of Ken threw him down, passed easily to mount, pounded him, took his back, pounded more and choked him out brutally.

[Vitor Belfort]

Not really unless bj underestimate him. I just dont see edgar has any advantage over bj. He is not big enough to bully bj like gsp did. His bjj and striking is ok but bj is better. I see bj winning this fight via rear naked choke.

[Rattler]

Let him have Nate Diaz next... just to see what Nate has to say AFTER the fight.

[rekcutnevets]

BJ Penn is one of my favorite fighters. I still would be unable to pick against him at 155. Penn is what Florian and the Diaz brothers wish they could be.

I don't want to say a fighter has no chance. Edgar's only chance is to find a way to nullify Penn's jab, and somehow disrupt Penn's timing while trying to move around and out punch Penn. Then Edgar would have to rely upon his wrestling skills, and defend the take down if Penn were to try to go to the ground if he feels that he is losing the fight standing.

I don't believe that Edgar will be successful. I think Edgar is a little small, even for 155. I think Penn's jab is too good for Edgar overcome standing, and Penn will submit him on the ground. Tough fight for Edgar, but a quality win for Penn if successful.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Nope.

However, I disagree about Penn moving to 170. I think it's time for the UFC to bring in the 145 lb class. BJ could drop down, rather than up, and fight Aldo. I just don't think that BJ Penn is big enough to be able to train his ass off, and weigh 170 lbs. So, what we end up with is a BJ Penn who isn't in great shape, gasses out... and doesn't carry all of his ability up with him. I think that BJ could make 145 without a problem. At least it would be something new. I know that it's getting old watching BJ easily beat all of his opponents, but it isn't his fault. The same thing is going on with the Champs at 170, and 185. I definitely think that GSP should be moving up and fighting at 185. With his size and as much weight as he cuts... there is no reason why he can't be fighting at a weight that is even more natural for him. GSP vs Silva needs to happen.

[chimba]

BJ will leapfrog GSP and probably Silva in the p4p mythology after the devastation of Edgar.

In my honest opinion, Edgar is a more proven and worthy opponent at 155 for Penn than Hardy was for GSP. Edgar is just better fighter than Hardy simple as that.

Now watch what BJ does to Edgar.

[chimba]

Nope.

However, I disagree about Penn moving to 170. I think it's time for the UFC to bring in the 145 lb class. BJ could drop down, rather than up, and fight Aldo. I just don't think that BJ Penn is big enough to be able to train his ass off, and weigh 170 lbs. So, what we end up with is a BJ Penn who isn't in great shape, gasses out... and doesn't carry all of his ability up with him. I think that BJ could make 145 without a problem. At least it would be something new. I know that it's getting old watching BJ easily beat all of his opponents, but it isn't his fault. The same thing is going on with the Champs at 170, and 185. I definitely think that GSP should be moving up and fighting at 185. With his size and as much weight as he cuts... there is no reason why he can't be fighting at a weight that is even more natural for him. GSP vs Silva needs to happen.

ALDO???!! :lol::lol: Maybe Aldo with brass knuckles.

[thewinfella]

Nope.

However, I disagree about Penn moving to 170. I think it's time for the UFC to bring in the 145 lb class. BJ could drop down, rather than up, and fight Aldo. I just don't think that BJ Penn is big enough to be able to train his ass off, and weigh 170 lbs. So, what we end up with is a BJ Penn who isn't in great shape, gasses out... and doesn't carry all of his ability up with him. I think that BJ could make 145 without a problem. At least it would be something new. I know that it's getting old watching BJ easily beat all of his opponents, but it isn't his fault. The same thing is going on with the Champs at 170, and 185. I definitely think that GSP should be moving up and fighting at 185. With his size and as much weight as he cuts... there is no reason why he can't be fighting at a weight that is even more natural for him. GSP vs Silva needs to happen.

I agree on the Aldo shout , but i think Aldo should move up to 55 and fight Penn , thats generally what happens if a fighter is coming up he should meat the champions weight class requirements .

However i disagree on Penn moving to 170 , i think thats all thats left for Penn , he's cleaned out 55 and now he should focus on 70 , that said i dont think BJ is effective enough at any weight above 160 - 4 , he just looks slow sluggish , lacks snap in the shots , no explosive strength etc etc , i think Penn must weigh no more than 165 on the night to be effective @70 , which brings into the equation the size issue , is BJ too small for 70 ????

With the size of these guys @70 you'd have to suggest yes , but we know he has freakish strength and balance and you'd have to think he'd have a speed advantage over these guys on the feet , imo the area he would struggle is completing takedowns , could you imagine Penn trying to take down Almeida , Alves , Koschek , Fitch etc etc note how i didnt mention GSP ................ not even worth a thought .

Its all trial and error , Penn is my favourite fighter in MMA and im not sure id want to see him go up to 70 and get swallowed up by bigger men , but then again whats left for him @55 !!!!! ????

[thewinfella]

ALDO???!! :lol::lol: Maybe Aldo with brass knuckles.

Speed kills

Manny Pacquiao = Flyweight world champion 1999

Manny Pacquiao = Welter Weight World Champion 2010

:lol::lol:

[hopkinsfan07]

I gave Ken-Flo a much better chance. I do think Edgar is a tad above Sanchez though. But really he has no chance at all there is nothing in Franks skillset that Penn cant do much better. Penn will decide everything in this fight from where it takes place (feet or ground) to how it is finished.

[196osh]

Aldo would NOT beat BJ Penn. I'd lay the house on a BJ submission.

[thewinfella]

Aldo would NOT beat BJ Penn. I'd lay the house on a BJ submission.

Ive heard Aldo's ground game is the best aspect of his game .

[achillesthegreat]

Edgar is really good, albeit a little small BUT isn't he just an inferior version of BJ in every area? Maybe he is better on top/wrestling? That may be the only way he can beat him. Alternatively he could be really nip and tuck with his boxing en route to a decision but BJ has some crazy timing and power. Plus he has the chin at 155 to walk in on you hard and heavy.

[chimba]

Speed kills

Manny Pacquiao = Flyweight world champion 1999

Manny Pacquiao = Welter Weight World Champion 2010

:lol::lol:

Aldos not as fast as PAC.
BJs not much slower than Aldo, but much more powerful.

Why am I explaining this? This is crazy:lol:

This will be a massacre guaranteed.

[thewinfella]

Aldos not as fast as PAC.
BJs not much slower than Aldo, but much more powerful.

Why am I explaining this? This is crazy:lol:

This will be a massacre guaranteed.

:lol:

You havent seen much of Aldo have you :good

[BewareofDawg]

Nope.

However, I disagree about Penn moving to 170. I think it's time for the UFC to bring in the 145 lb class. BJ could drop down, rather than up, and fight Aldo. I just don't think that BJ Penn is big enough to be able to train his ass off, and weigh 170 lbs. So, what we end up with is a BJ Penn who isn't in great shape, gasses out... and doesn't carry all of his ability up with him. I think that BJ could make 145 without a problem. At least it would be something new. I know that it's getting old watching BJ easily beat all of his opponents, but it isn't his fault. The same thing is going on with the Champs at 170, and 185. I definitely think that GSP should be moving up and fighting at 185. With his size and as much weight as he cuts... there is no reason why he can't be fighting at a weight that is even more natural for him. GSP vs Silva needs to happen.
I agree with you about the 145lb class, but think if that happens BJ will force Aldo/Faber/Brown/etc to move up to fight him, he is the bigger star and in his own head he IS MMA so I highly doubt he's gonna cut an extra 10lbs to fight at 145lbs.

I think Dana's plan is to keep BJ where he is, and then allow him to move back to 170 if and when GSP leaves the division. GSP is a stylistic nightmare for Penn and a 3rd fight would go exactly like the 2nd one and everyone knows this so there is no point in moving BJ up until GSP leaves.....or loses.

[BewareofDawg]

It's hard to pick against BJ. He is the best striker at LW and the Best Grappler. Nobody can take him down, hell even GSP couldn't in the 1st round. And nobody can stop BJ from taking them down when he wants.

[Grievesy]

Realistically ,he hasn't got a chance.

[québecwarrior]

It's hard to pick against BJ. He is the best striker at LW and the Best Grappler. Nobody can take him down, hell even GSP couldn't in the 1st round. And nobody can stop BJ from taking them down when he wants.
I don't think GSP's plan was to really bring him down in the first.. I think he really wanted to pinned him against the fence and make him work with his shoulder to nullify his boxing for the next couple of rounds..

[196osh]

Ive heard Aldo's ground game is the best aspect of his game .

Wana bet that Penn's ground game pisses all over it?

BJ Penn has the best BJJ credientials out of any high level MMA fighter. Also Aldos only loss is via submisson.

BJ is not much slower than Aldo. And has better hands.

Fuck sake. If this goes down BJ will rip Aldo a new asshole. :patsch

[BewareofDawg]

Wana bet that Penn's ground game pisses all over it?

BJ Penn has the best BJJ credientials out of any high level MMA fighter. Also Aldos only loss is via submisson.

BJ is not much slower than Aldo. And has better hands.

Fuck sake. If this goes down BJ will rip Aldo a new asshole. :patsch
Yeah, just look how badly Kenny got owned on the ground and how quickly. BJ with top position is one of the most dangerous combinations in all of MMA.

[196osh]

Yeah, just look how badly Kenny got owned on the ground and how quickly. BJ with top position is one of the most dangerous combinations in all of MMA.

Aldo looks great at 145, but he is obviously a much smaller man and with the combination of BJs allround ability, chin and his good gas tank at 155. I cannot see anybody getting near him.

[One Punch KO]

I haven't seen anything in any of Frankie Edgar's fights which leads me to believe he can beat B.J Penn.

So he'll either have to put on a performance far better than anything seen from him so far, or Penn will have to be really off his game. I just can't see it happening.

[chimba]

:lol:

You havent seen much of Aldo have you :good

Hahaha Ive seen Aldo, Hes good I think he can put a beating on Diego, Kenflo..Heck he can even beat prime Hughes.

And factor in the fact that BJ has not really improved and seem to be past his prime.

Id like to see Aldo/GSP... forget BJ/GSP 3

[AJAX]

Hahaha Ive seen Aldo, Hes good I think he can put a beating on Diego, Kenflo..Heck he can even beat prime Hughes.

And factor in the fact that BJ has not really improved and seem to be past his prime.

Id like to see Aldo/GSP... forget BJ/GSP 3

BJ has improved the only thing he was missing and that's his cardio and conditioning. His strength and conditioning that he has been doing has been paying dividends that's why going 4 rounds with kenny and diego was nothing and he didn't slow down at all. He's not that old yet I think BJ has a few good years at a high level yet especially if he keeps his motivation up.

[chimba]

BJ has improved the only thing he was missing and that's his cardio and conditioning. His strength and conditioning that he has been doing has been paying dividends that's why going 4 rounds with kenny and diego was nothing and he didn't slow down at all. He's not that old yet I think BJ has a few good years at a high level yet especially if he keeps his motivation up.

I was being you know..umm I forgot the word..It starts with an S.

Penn has never looked better I agree but we're talking about Aldo here.

[thewinfella]

Wana bet that Penn's ground game pisses all over it?

BJ Penn has the best BJJ credientials out of any high level MMA fighter. Also Aldos only loss is via submisson.

BJ is not much slower than Aldo. And has better hands.

Fuck sake. If this goes down BJ will rip Aldo a new asshole. :patsch

I did not question BJ 's abilty to sub Aldo , beleive me i didnt so relax , i mereley made the point that Also's GG is the supposidly the strongest part of his game , now bearing in mind he has lethal fast unpredictable extremely well rounded Anderson Silva like stand up id say thats a pretty big statement . :good

[thewinfella]

Hahaha Ive seen Aldo, Hes good I think he can put a beating on Diego, Kenflo..Heck he can even beat prime Hughes.

And factor in the fact that BJ has not really improved and seem to be past his prime.

Id like to see Aldo/GSP... forget BJ/GSP 3

:lol:

I think our conversations stop here .