Classic Forum's take on Jones vs Hopkins II

[rekcutnevets]

How do you feel about tomorrow's fight? Is it significant? How will it go down?

Jones still has better better hand speed and power, but his legs are a question mark. Jones' game has not changed a lot over the years to accommodate his slide in physical attributes.

Hopkins is noticeably slower than he was in the 90's, but has been making the necessary adjustments in his style to make up for his declining speed and other declining attributes. Hopkins uses his footwork to set up angles for attack, has a much tighter defense than was the case in the early 90's, throws short punches in tight combinations, and has a very good jab.

I believe the key to the entire fight is Hopkins' jab.

If Jones can take away Hopkins' jab, he has too much speed and power even at this stage. Jones will land the more impressive punches and win.

If Hopkins lands his jab regularly, he'll control the fight. Hopkins will land effective right hands, and either stop Jones or win a convincing decision.

[dpw417]

I think the key factor in which you mentioned is Jones' legs. Jones' style always will be troublesome for Hopkins, because he does not like to assume the role of the aggressor in a fight. Hopkins much prefers to have the fight come to him. Hopkins will be out of his comfort zone at times, but will mix being the aggressor and boxing Jones to conserve his energy in spots.
At this point I see a very comfortable decision for Hopkins, maybe even a stoppage from the ninth on. If thsi had taken place back in and around 2002 or littel later...I would have picked Jones by decision.

Bottom line Hopkins is going to give Jones a beating. Sorry to say but I don't consider this a fight. Might be surprised...but I really doubt it. Jones does not have his legs anymore at all.

[lefthook31]

I think the key factor in which you mentioned is Jones' legs. Jones' style always will be troublesome for Hopkins, because he does not like to assume the role of the aggressor in a fight. Hopkins much prefers to have the fight come to him. Hopkins will be out of his comfort zone at times, but will mix being the aggressor and boxing Jones to conserve his energy in spots.
At this point I see a very comfortable decision for Hopkins, maybe even a stoppage from the ninth on. If thsi had taken place back in and around 2002 or littel later...I would have picked Jones by decision.

Bottom line Hopkins is going to give Jones a beating. Sorry to say but I don't consider this a fight. Might be surprised...but I really doubt it. Jones does not have his legs anymore at all.
I tend to agree with this, but I think we might be suprised. I just dont think Hopkins has the size or strength to push the fight enough. I mean Jeff Lacy and Tito Trinidad couldnt do it, and I dont think Hopkins is much stronger than those two, so I see a decision type fight if Jones legs arent shot, and I see Jones having a really good shot at winning. People talk about Hopkins like hes still a young man, but hes been fighting guys that make him look like a young man just as Jones did against Tito and Lacy. Hopkins didnt look like a young man against Taylor and Calzahge and I think the style of Jones is going to be more like that, giving Hopkins a lot of movement with Jones trying to keep the fight in the center of the ring where Hopkins could have trouble catching up to him. Either way the odds should be close in my opinion with both guys having a good chance to exploit the others shortcomings.

[Boxed Ears]

I have very mixed feelings about this fight. Hopkins is still clinging to a high enough ranking as a light heavyweight that I feel he's holding Dawson back with no plans to fight him. In a way. Meanwhile taking on RJJ coming off a first round stoppage loss. Still talking like he's looking at fighting Dawson, which I don't think he really plans on. Plus it's a PPV, which always gets my goat. And as far as historical significance, I think it doesn't matter so much on paper. It will depend on how the fight actually turns out. Because it's true, it may be surprisingly competitive. If it turns out a farce like a lot suspect, it'll have pretty much no significance. But if it turns out well, with Jones surprisingly fresh and not shot, it's a different matter altogether. I'm very curious about the fight, as much reservation as I have about it. It does make for an interesting story, far off as it is to the first one. All in all, I don't know if I can have a take on it until it plays out.

[Popkins]

How do you feel about tomorrow's fight? Is it significant? How will it go down?

Jones still has better better hand speed and power, but his legs are a question mark. Jones' game has not changed a lot over the years to accommodate his slide in physical attributes.

Hopkins is noticeably slower than he was in the 90's, but has been making the necessary adjustments in his style to make up for his declining speed and other declining attributes. Hopkins uses his footwork to set up angles for attack, has a much tighter defense than was the case in the early 90's, throws short punches in tight combinations, and has a very good jab.

I believe the key to the entire fight is Hopkins' jab.

If Jones can take away Hopkins' jab, he has too much speed and power even at this stage. Jones will land the more impressive punches and win.

If Hopkins lands his jab regularly, he'll control the fight. Hopkins will land effective right hands, and either stop Jones or win a convincing decision.

My opinion of the fight is that it is a fucking joke, a sham, a farce. I'd rather watch a prostate exam live than this shit. And it's not just my own rage as a B-Hop fan that he is milking his fanbase and playing to the part-time fans interested only in big names, it's fury at the precedent that is being set here. When this idea was floated after Jones had been fucking bashed up within a round by a journeyman like Danny Green, the fans should have revolted. But they didn't. The sheep were swiftly brought onto the bandwagon by a few tired statements from B-Hop trying to pretend there is hatred between them, and now the fight is happening on ppv. So, Golden Boy and Arum will think now, if those idiots will buy that shit, what else can we serve them up next? Tyson-Holyfield III? Erik Morales vs Jose Luis Castillo at ww? Oscar De La Hoya vs Winky Wright? Jeff Lacy vs Tito Trinidad at lhw? A double bill of James Toney vs Ray Mercer, 1st in a boxing ring then in an MMA cage??!

Mark my words, rank garbage like this is coming if the Hopkins-Jones numbers are good. Hop should have fought Adamek when he had the chance. Or Dawson. Or even Glen Johnson or even fucking Danny Green. NOT a guy that hasn't beaten a top 10 ranked opponent for SEVEN YEARS and who is 0-4(KO'd x2) in his last 4 fights against top 10 ranked opposition. Yet because this horribly shot-to-shit walking corpse is a 'name', he is an acceptable option. BULLSHIT.

Hopkins will win. Of course he will. But the fans will lose from this. Again and again and again.

[PowerPuncher]

I have a feeling Jones may pull 1 last performance out the bag but it could be wishful thinking. He has problems with high workrates and big punchers, 2 qualities an old Hopkins doesnt have in abundance. However he looked like even more of a shell against Green, shot to pieces, or was he just caught cold?

Stylistically Hopkins can struggle with speed, ie Jones/Calzaghe/Taylor the 3 fastest men he faced all beat him. Jones still has the handspeed, but not the footspeed or practically any movement at all left in legs.

[lefthook89]

several, several years too late and is a completely meaningless fight, as a RJJ fan i hope he retires win or lose

[Seamus]

I have about 100 better things to do than watch a chinny has-been fighting an over-rated boring clincher/cheater.

[bodhi]

My opinion of the fight is that it is a fucking joke, a sham, a farce. I'd rather watch a prostate exam live than this shit. And it's not just my own rage as a B-Hop fan that he is milking his fanbase and playing to the part-time fans interested only in big names, it's fury at the precedent that is being set here. When this idea was floated after Jones had been fucking bashed up within a round by a journeyman like Danny Green, the fans should have revolted. But they didn't. The sheep were swiftly brought onto the bandwagon by a few tired statements from B-Hop trying to pretend there is hatred between them, and now the fight is happening on ppv. So, Golden Boy and Arum will think now, if those idiots will buy that shit, what else can we serve them up next? Tyson-Holyfield III? Erik Morales vs Jose Luis Castillo at ww? Oscar De La Hoya vs Winky Wright? Jeff Lacy vs Tito Trinidad at lhw? A double bill of James Toney vs Ray Mercer, 1st in a boxing ring then in an MMA cage??!

Mark my words, rank garbage like this is coming if the Hopkins-Jones numbers are good. Hop should have fought Adamek when he had the chance. Or Dawson. Or even Glen Johnson or even fucking Danny Green. NOT a guy that hasn't beaten a top 10 ranked opponent for SEVEN YEARS and who is 0-4(KO'd x2) in his last 4 fights against top 10 ranked opposition. Yet because this horribly shot-to-shit walking corpse is a 'name', he is an acceptable option. BULLSHIT.

Hopkins will win. Of course he will. But the fans will lose from this. Again and again and again.

I totally agree. I had Hopkins in my Top3 favourite fighters for year. The day this fight was signed he dropped out of my Top10.

He should challenge for a cw title or fight Haye but not a shot Jones.

[lefthook31]

I have a feeling Jones may pull 1 last performance out the bag but it could be wishful thinking. He has problems with high workrates and big punchers, 2 qualities an old Hopkins doesnt have in abundance. However he looked like even more of a shell against Green, shot to pieces, or was he just caught cold?

Stylistically Hopkins can struggle with speed, ie Jones/Calzaghe/Taylor the 3 fastest men he faced all beat him. Jones still has the handspeed, but not the footspeed or practically any movement at all left in legs.
Lets just say he cant afford to get hit like that. He had no recoup powers in that fight. Even though he didnt get knocked down again, he was gone. Jones absolutely has to stay off the ropes and forget about blocking punches with his arms up and do whatever he can to move and keep the fight in the center of the ring its his only shot.

[lefthook31]

I totally agree. I had Hopkins in my Top3 favourite fighters for year. The day this fight was signed he dropped out of my Top10.

He should challenge for a cw title or fight Haye but not a shot Jones.
He will try and fight the winner of Haye Ruiz if he wins tomorrow night.

[bodhi]

He will try and fight the winner of Haye Ruiz if he wins tomorrow night.

I hope he does. Even if he loses he goes out on his shield and probably realizes that he has to retire.

[lefthook31]

I hope he does. Even if he loses he goes out on his shield and probably realizes that he has to retire.
If Hopkins loses, Jones Hopkins III :dead I hope Jones retires win or lose. If Hopkins wins, fighting the winner of Haye Ruiz is an interesting hopefully non PPV fight.

[McGrain]

It don't matter at all. Ruiz-Haye matters.

[MAG1965]

Jones has a chance. It matters if he still has a speed advantage over Hopkins, and if he can stay focused the whole fight. Like I have said in other threads, Hopkins is 45 years old, and there is no way he is a sure thing to win this fight at that age.

[duranimal]

It's a fuckin joke, Roy's just scrabbling around the globe grabbing any last payday he can get his hands on, I don't blame him if there's mugs out there who even take this farce at 1% face value then they deserve to be fleeced. B/Hop being an employee/dark partner in Oscars empire/GBP will always take/make this sort of fight for commercial publicity reasons & Jones has now reduced himself to cheap whore status in my eye's & more's the pity for it.

Anyway who fuckin care's who wins!!! I don't!!!

It's a SHITE event made for mugs & plenty of mugs there be by the sound of it.

Popkins told yer what the future holds if this sort of cunt event becomes the norm & it will if GBP get their way.

[The Kurgan]

It's like Duran-Leonard III, only it will be a thousand times less entertaining (and that's saying something).

Hopkins will win and it will mean absolutely nothing.

[OBCboxer]

Jones KO1. I think someone will be able to come up with a time machine to transport '98 Roy Jones Jr. to saturady's fight against Hopkins.

[lefthook31]

Jones KO1. I think someone will be able to come up with a time machine to transport '98 Roy Jones Jr. to saturady's fight against Hopkins.

Y'all must a forgot!!!!















That Im shot!

[asero]

Jones by UD. Bhop would not be patient in this fight and it would be his downfall

[BUDW]

Jones will be tkoed cut up and stopped

[Boxed Ears]

Jones by UD. Bhop would not be patient in this fight and it would be his downfall

You're right. Jones is greater than Pacquiao.

[Mendoza]

How do you feel about tomorrow's fight? Is it significant? How will it go down?

Jones still has better better hand speed and power, but his legs are a question mark. Jones' game has not changed a lot over the years to accommodate his slide in physical attributes.

Hopkins is noticeably slower than he was in the 90's, but has been making the necessary adjustments in his style to make up for his declining speed and other declining attributes. Hopkins uses his footwork to set up angles for attack, has a much tighter defense than was the case in the early 90's, throws short punches in tight combinations, and has a very good jab.

I believe the key to the entire fight is Hopkins' jab.

If Jones can take away Hopkins' jab, he has too much speed and power even at this stage. Jones will land the more impressive punches and win.

If Hopkins lands his jab regularly, he'll control the fight. Hopkins will land effective right hands, and either stop Jones or win a convincing decision.



I think this one is going to be a stinker. This fight should have been made 5-10 years ago. It means very little now.

What we have here is a safety first fighter in Jones, and a fighter who likes to be calculating and counter in Hopkins. Jones knows to stay away from Hopkins in the clinches. Bernard likes to slip in kidney shots when the ref is on the opposite side of the action on a clinch. Jones is also going to watch out for Hopkins counter hook. The one could be a dancing contest.

Jones has lost his punch resistance. He’s done.

Hopkins is over the hill on a downward slope as well. His stamina has declined, but I do think he’s still a tough man.

Who wins? I could only guess. I think Jones will take a very boring and tactical decision in a fight that won’t feature a high punch output. . Hopkins won’t press like Joe Frazier unless he thinks Jones is hurt.

[mcvey]

I think this one is going to be a stinker. This fight should have been made 5-10 years ago. It means very little now.

What we have here is a safety first fighter in Jones, and a fighter who likes to be calculating and counter in Hopkins. Jones knows to stay away from Hopkins in the clinches. Bernard likes to slip in kidney shots when the ref is on the opposite side of the action on a clinch. Jones is also going to watch out for Hopkins counter hook. The one could be a dancing contest.

Jones has lost his punch resistance. He’s done.

Hopkins is over the hill on a downward slope as well. His stamina has declined, but I do think he’s still a tough man.

Who wins? I could only guess. I think Jones will take a very boring and tactical decision in a fight that won’t feature a high punch output. . Hopkins won’t press like Joe Frazier unless he thinks Jones is hurt.

Hopkins is a habitual offender at this, yet usually gets away with it , you are one of the few people I have seen mention it.
Hopkins will tko Jones whose punch resistance and skin tissue is suspect now, this is a farce , that could have been a great fight several years ago.

[Mendoza]

Hopkins is a habitual offender at this, yet usually gets away with it , you are one of the few people I have seen mention it.
Hopkins will tko Jones whose punch resistance and skin tissue is suspect now, this is a farce , that could have been a great fight several years ago.

Hopkins is well schooled in the arts of dirty fighting. Will Hopkins KO Jones? Its a horrible style match up for Hopinks. Speedy out fighters often out point low punch out put defensive minded fighters who look to counter. Countering a fast jab is one of the hardest things to do in boxing.

Jones had a very easy night when they meet years ago. As long as his legs and conditioning hold up, it should be the same result. Hopkins was never a big one or two punch KO/TKO type of fighter. Yet if he lands, I think he could easily get the stoppage win as Jones punch resistance is horrible these days.

[Francis75]

If Hopkins loses, Jones Hopkins III :dead I hope Jones retires win or lose. If Hopkins wins, fighting the winner of Haye Ruiz is an interesting hopefully non PPV fight.

No way can Bhop hang with David Haye at heavy at 45 yrs of age. He would get badly hurt. The only fight left for Hopkins after Roy would be a fight with Dawson which is long overdue to determine the man at 175 then retire win, lose or draw.

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Calzaghe, Toney, McGirt and Johnson give predictions on Jones-Hopkins

The official weights for tomorrow night's stacked Hopkins vs. Jones fight card are in along with a surprising variety of fight predictions from those who know best-other world champions, most of whom have fought one or both Hopkins and/or Jones.

"I think if Roy still has it, he can win on points. Either way it will be close and I would be surprised if there is a stoppage."
-Joe Calzaghe, Unanimous decision over both Hopkins and Jones.


"I like both of them, but if I would have to bet I'd pick Roy because of his slickness and speed. Bernard is crafty but I think Roy is going to be sharper and quicker in this one. Roy in a decision."
- Winky Wright, Decision loss to Hopkins


"Jones has more speed and more power than Bernard. Jones by decision."
- Glen Johnson, Jones KO 9th Round


"Roy will outbox Hopkins and win eight rounds to four."
- James Toney, Decision loss to Jones


"Roy Jones will outbox Bernard. Roy in a decision."
- Buddy McGirt, Former World Champion

[redrooster]

poor Jones must need the money

[JohnThomas1]

It's like Duran-Leonard III, only it will be a thousand times less entertaining (and that's saying something).


For once we disagree. Leonard's draw with Hearns was far better than Jones loss to Green comparatively. This fight here should never have been made whilst we can find many more reasons for SRL-RD II even if thin.

[The Kurgan]

For once we disagree. Leonard's draw with Hearns was far better than Jones loss to Green comparatively. This fight here should never have been made whilst we can find many more reasons for SRL-RD II even if thin.

Put it this way: it's like Leonard-Duran in the sense that it will tell us nothing about who was the better boxer. It's just two old men cashing in a paycheck and pretending that they're still relevant (well, Hopkins is, but Jones hasn't mattered for about 7 years).

That said, I would be impressed if Jones wins. But he won't.

[Meast]

if Jones would have beaten Green in his last fight it would have meant very little, with him losing it pretty much means nothing at all. I don't mind it happening though, Hopkins deserves some publicity and a good pay-day.

I think i'll still watch it, more looking forward to Haye/Ruiz though.

[JohnThomas1]

Can't believe i put II instead of III LOL

[dpw417]

Can't believe i put II instead of III LOL
JT1 my man...it was a long time ago! haha.

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Calzaghe, Toney, McGirt and Johnson give predictions on Jones-Hopkins

The official weights for tomorrow night's stacked Hopkins vs. Jones fight card are in along with a surprising variety of fight predictions from those who know best-other world champions, most of whom have fought one or both Hopkins and/or Jones.

"I think if Roy still has it, he can win on points. Either way it will be close and I would be surprised if there is a stoppage."
-Joe Calzaghe, Unanimous decision over both Hopkins and Jones.


"I like both of them, but if I would have to bet I'd pick Roy because of his slickness and speed. Bernard is crafty but I think Roy is going to be sharper and quicker in this one. Roy in a decision."
- Winky Wright, Decision loss to Hopkins


"Jones has more speed and more power than Bernard. Jones by decision."
- Glen Johnson, Jones KO 9th Round


"Roy will outbox Hopkins and win eight rounds to four."
- James Toney, Decision loss to Jones


"Roy Jones will outbox Bernard. Roy in a decision."
- Buddy McGirt, Former World Champion
Calzaghe's pick doesn't surprise me at all, but these guys being unanimous does.

Some of you are posting Hopkins is still relevant, but Jones isn't. What does a Jones victory do in your eyes?

[Clinton]

I believe it's a useless fight between a totally shot fighter(Jones) and a past it one.

[JohnThomas1]

JT1 my man...it was a long time ago! haha.

True, and many drinks :lol:

[Stonehands89]

It could be an interesting spectacle about what happens when two great boxers of proximate age meet past prime and one is a technician and the other an athlete. My thesis is an old one: All else being roughly equal, the technician should take apart the athlete once those powers of youth have dissipated. Boxing is a skills sport more than an athletic sport, which is why their peak age is usually later than other athletes.

There are qualifiers to the experiment tonight. Jones' chin is highly suspect. I think it is as hard as a bubble bath. His punch, however, is as hard as Chinese math. Hopkins, by contrast, isn't punching anywhere near as hard like he used to. But he places shots better... like to the liver.

It could stink the joint out. It depends on Bernard. If Bernard wants to emphatically avenge that Jones loss, he will go after Jones -but he'll do it later when Jones' thunder is less because he is naturally careful. He may stop him late -possibly with a body shot, or he will take a decision if Jones gets on wheels to avoid a fourth humiliation.

[rekcutnevets]

I'm sorry guys, I give Jones way more chance than most of you. This fight is near 50/50 in my mind. I'm thinking either fighter has a chance to really show up the other.

Hopkins has great timing. Hopkins is very capable of finishing this fight at any time after a well timed counter. Hopkins also has a very good jab. Though he is not a southpaw; Hopkins could trouble Jones similar to the way Tarver did. If Hopkins gets his jab going, he will win.

A lot of people are overlooking Jones' athletic advantages over Hopkins. Hopkins has to be able to impose his jab, or hope for a well timed counter. Jones has a lot more hand speed and power than Hopkins. Jones will win handily if he can take away Hopkins' jab, and avoid the big counter.

It may be due to so many people completely writing Jones off, but I'm leaning towards Roy at this point. We will soon find out.

[Gesta]

I have a feeling that Roy will pull a close upset dec'. Hopkins has always had trouble with speed, with Jones still has. Jones chin is gone but Hopkins does not have the one shot power or the high output to ko Jones.

Will not be watching though as they should have fought years ago, the boat has sailed.

[sweet_scientist]

Flush...

[My dinner with Conteh]

The least significant revenge win since Duran's UD over Pat Lawlor.

[ChrisPontius]

I lost a ton of respect for Hopkins with his pathetic acting.

THE FUCKING REFEREE TOOK A POINT AWAY ON THE FIRST FOUL JUST BECAUSE HE TOOK A KNEE!! This could start a trend in boxing where they start whining like little cunts whenever a minor foul is committed. I thought Dirrel vs AA was suspect, but this was such a blatant acting job. I forgave him one time against Calzaghe, but now he did the same shit, three times, against a guy he was easily beating!

Don't get me wrong, i'm all for penalizing rabbit punching. But do it fair and constantly. Don't reward acting and start the fucking count when he takes a knee.


What annoys me most is the hypocrisy. He cries about fouls yet throws more headbutts, low blows and does more clinching than any fighter. Yet when someone else commits the smallest foul, the ring is filled with his tears :| Old school and tough my ass. He's a crafty, lame, cheating hypocrite.


Sorry JT. ;) But anyone who follows football (soccer) will know that it has been RUINED by this kind of play acting, in the time stretch of a decade or less. Hopkins might have started a trend. :-(

[Popkins]

I'm sorry guys, I give Jones way more chance than most of you. This fight is near 50/50 in my mind. I'm thinking either fighter has a chance to really show up the other.

Hopkins has great timing. Hopkins is very capable of finishing this fight at any time after a well timed counter. Hopkins also has a very good jab. Though he is not a southpaw; Hopkins could trouble Jones similar to the way Tarver did. If Hopkins gets his jab going, he will win.

A lot of people are overlooking Jones' athletic advantages over Hopkins. Hopkins has to be able to impose his jab, or hope for a well timed counter. Jones has a lot more hand speed and power than Hopkins. Jones will win handily if he can take away Hopkins' jab, and avoid the big counter.

It may be due to so many people completely writing Jones off, but I'm leaning towards Roy at this point. We will soon find out.

What the fuck were u thinking??? :nut

Have you been in a coma for the last SEVEN YEARS????

[McGrain]

Very depressing. They should both hang em up.

[rekcutnevets]

Posted by Popkins
What the fuck were u thinking???

Have you been in a coma for the last SEVEN YEARS????
Hey, over a third of the people watching thought Jones won. What else can I say?

Seriously though, Jones didn't fight a smart fight. I don't know that he could have won, but Jones could have done better. When Jones was a young man with something to prove, he didn't mind letting the crowd boo by remaining cautious. I never thought he would just follow Hopkins around at times. Jones was still a lot faster, but Hopkins did a good job of preventing Jones from finding a rhythm. The only part of his game plan I liked was when he worked his right uppercut when Hopkins held him. Jones didn't have legs to move like he did against Toney, but he looked to have enough legs to move a little and create angles.

It takes a lot of effort to punch like Jones, so that's why I don't know if he could have won following the right game plan. Jones may not have the stamina for enough offensive output to take a decision in that type of fight.

Did anyone notice how big Hopkins looked compared to Jones? I know he has a height and reach advantage, but Hopkins is simply bigger. Jones looked like he was the same size he was in '93 facing a man 2 divisions larger.

[lefthook31]

Actually Jones fought a very smart fight. He kept the fight in the center of the ring for the most part, he avoided a lot of punishment and survived with dignity. Jones had nothing to offer. His legs are completely gone, his speed is gone, his timing is gone, and he didnt keep his hands up. Hopkins for one reason or another was scared of Jones and was looking to get out of the fight with all that behavior. He was the one that initiated every foul that Jones supposedly committed.
The bottom line is Jones had nothing, he knew it, and was looking for a good payday without getting embarrassed and he accomplished that along with a bonus of making Hopkins look like a total bitch! As Ive said, Hopkins won the fight, but Jones won the event.

[Popkins]

Hey, over a third of the people watching thought Jones won. What else can I say?

Seriously though, Jones didn't fight a smart fight. I don't know that he could have won, but Jones could have done better. When Jones was a young man with something to prove, he didn't mind letting the crowd boo by remaining cautious. I never thought he would just follow Hopkins around at times. Jones was still a lot faster, but Hopkins did a good job of preventing Jones from finding a rhythm. The only part of his game plan I liked was when he worked his right uppercut when Hopkins held him. Jones didn't have legs to move like he did against Toney, but he looked to have enough legs to move a little and create angles.

It takes a lot of effort to punch like Jones, so that's why I don't know if he could have won following the right game plan. Jones may not have the stamina for enough offensive output to take a decision in that type of fight.

Did anyone notice how big Hopkins looked compared to Jones? I know he has a height and reach advantage, but Hopkins is simply bigger. Jones looked like he was the same size he was in '93 facing a man 2 divisions larger.

All I really noticed was that Roy Jones was somehow even more shot to smithereens than he was in 2004 when it was first obvious to anyone that he was shot to shit.

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Posted by Popkins
All I really noticed was that Roy Jones was somehow even more shot to smithereens than he was in 2004 when it was first obvious to anyone that he was shot to shit.
Wow, that was only 6 years ago. I guess he was somehow 35 instead of somehow being 41. However that might have happened.

You really are bitter. You sling the word "shot" around too often as well. There is a vast difference between no longer the best in the world, and shot. Boxrec ranks 775 light heavyweights. Forget where they have Jones ranked, as their actual placement of fighters is often unimportant. The point is that roughly 775 men have competed at light heavyweight in the past year. If only 25 of these fighters can defeat him, then Jones is better than nearly 97% of his peers. If only 70 can defeat him, Jones is still in the top 10%.

You were also critical of the event as well, saying it could lead to more like it. I hope it does. I didn't pay for the contest the other night, but I wouldn't have been upset if I did. That was an excellent card. Frankie Gomez had one of the more entertaining professional debut's than I am accustomed to seeing. I was introduced to a prospect I want see more out of in Ismayl Sillakh, and Mora vs Green was about as good as it gets.

I realize Mora and Green may insignificant to some, but that bout was an example of what makes most of us a fan of the sport. Those fighters may be on a level that never approaches the descriptive term great, but their back and forth effort showed us what makes boxing great.

[Popkins]

Wow, that was only 6 years ago. I guess he was somehow 35 instead of somehow being 41. However that might have happened.

You really are bitter. You sling the word "shot" around too often as well. There is a vast difference between no longer the best in the world, and shot. Boxrec ranks 775 light heavyweights. Forget where they have Jones ranked, as their actual placement of fighters is often unimportant. The point is that roughly 775 men have competed at light heavyweight in the past year. If only 25 of these fighters can defeat him, then Jones is better than nearly 97% of his peers. If only 70 can defeat him, Jones is still in the top 10%.

You were also critical of the event as well, saying it could lead to more like it. I hope it does. I didn't pay for the contest the other night, but I wouldn't have been upset if I did. That was an excellent card. Frankie Gomez had one of the more entertaining professional debut's than I am accustomed to seeing. I was introduced to a prospect I want see more out of in Ismayl Sillakh, and Mora vs Green was about as good as it gets.

I realize Mora and Green may insignificant to some, but that bout was an example of what makes most of us a fan of the sport. Those fighters may be on a level that never approaches the descriptive term great, but their back and forth effort showed us what makes boxing great.

Bitter?! :lol: Why am I bitter??! Because I call a shot fighter a shot fighter?? Because I call a farcical mismatch main event what it is as well? How that translates into bitterness I have no idea. I have always been an RJJ fan and I'm exhausted and depressed from watching him this past 6 years. The only reason he continues is because people like yourself are fooled into thinking he has something left by his meaningless wins over blatantly handpicked patsys like Tito and Lacy. If everyone behaved like I have been for the past few years and refused to acknowledge any legitimacy or purpose to Roy's efforts, he would have shuffled off into retirement amidst a collective lack of interest some time ago - salvaging health, dignity and reputation in the process.

Anyway, the undercard does not justify the lamentable main event. Mora and Green would have fought on another undercard if this shameful sham had not been made.

[rekcutnevets]

Posted by Popkins
Why am I bitter??! Because I call a shot fighter a shot fighter??
You come across as bitter, because your posts come across with a bitter tone.

You also want to label a fighter as "shot" when that fighter is capable of handling over 90% of his field.

Hopkins defeated a live opponent the other night.

[PowerPuncher]

You come across as bitter, because your posts come across with a bitter tone.

You also want to label a fighter as "shot" when that fighter is capable of handling over 90% of his field.

Hopkins defeated a live opponent the other night.

By that logic Ali wasnt shot when Berbick beat him, whats you're definition of shot?

[Gesta]

I have a feeling that Roy will pull a close upset dec'. Hopkins has always had trouble with speed, with Jones still has. Jones chin is gone but Hopkins does not have the one shot power or the high output to ko Jones.

Will not be watching though as they should have fought years ago, the boat has sailed.


WTF was I thinking?

Well when you are right 10% of the time you are wrong 90% of the time.

[lefthook31]

You come across as bitter, because your posts come across with a bitter tone.

You also want to label a fighter as "shot" when that fighter is capable of handling over 90% of his field.

Hopkins defeated a live opponent the other night.
Not really man. Jones is really 100% shot and completely gone now. If he would have had what he had left in the Lacy and Trinidad fight, I actually think he would have beaten Hopkins, because Bernard looked that bad himself. Jones is in very poor condition now and needs to stop before he really gets hurt. If that kid on the undercard who beat Daniel Judah would have been in with either Hopkins or Jones he would have seriously hurt both of them.
It seems by reading Hopkins interviews this morning hes going to continue on, so he will most definitely get dealt with badly if he tries to fight a young strong opponent, like a Haye, Dawson, or someone along those lines.

[enquirer]

I just got to say that hippo is a total hypocrite and a pussy man. He fouls and tries illegal tactics against everyone,then when someone like jones or calzaghe give him a bit back,he cries like a baby.
And he acts like hes a street fighter or hard because hes been to prison?
Fucking joke,dont know how he lives with himself...
Hes all about money only obviously.....

[lefthook31]

His comments in his interviews that are posted all over the web today are a total joke. He blames everyone else for the fouls, yet he initiated every one of them.

[rekcutnevets]

Posted by PowerPuncher
By that logic Ali wasnt shot when Berbick beat him, whats you're definition of shot?
Jones is not showing signs of having Parkinson's that I know of.

The main reason Jones is not doing well is because he is still trying to fight like he did when he was younger, and he simply can't. Jones has not adapted his style to fit his age. Jones still has very fast hands, and the ability he has left probably allows him to look good in sparring. I'm sure he is not sparring with elite fighters, so he probably feels like Captain America in training camp.


My definition of shot is no longer capable of competing. If you're better than 90% of the competition, you have plenty of people to compete with. Not every fight has to be to prove who the best in the division is. Jones doesn't belong in the ring with Chad Dawson based on any recent performance. If Jones wants to fight Daniel Judah, I say have at it.

I'm really more worried about Shane Mosley continuing than I am Roy Jones. Mosley is still an elite fighter, while Jones isn't, but Mosley's slurred speech concerns me. Jones still sounds fine.

[lefthook31]

Jones is not showing signs of having Parkinson's that I know of.

The main reason Jones is not doing well is because he is still trying to fight like he did when he was younger, and he simply can't. Jones has not adapted his style to fit his age. Jones still has very fast hands, and the ability he has left probably allows him to look good in sparring. I'm sure he is not sparring with elite fighters, so he probably feels like Captain America in training camp.


My definition of shot is no longer capable of competing. If you're better than 90% of the competition, you have plenty of people to compete with. Not every fight has to be to prove who the best in the division is. Jones doesn't belong in the ring with Chad Dawson based on any recent performance. If Jones wants to fight Daniel Judah, I say have at it.

I'm really more worried about Shane Mosley continuing than I am Roy Jones. Mosley is still an elite fighter, while Jones isn't, but Mosley's slurred speech concerns me. Jones still sounds fine.
He didnt belong in the ring with Danny Green, hes definitely not better than 90% of the competition.
Jones cant adapt a different style, he always did things so unorthodox, and his ability to take and throw punches is severely depleted. You can be physically shot just as much as you can be mentally shot or both. Jones is 100% physically shot! He couldnt beat Daniel Judah right now and fighting a guy like Judah for him is worthless, it has not meaning. He just needs to retire and enjoy his life.

[Popkins]

You come across as bitter, because your posts come across with a bitter tone.

You also want to label a fighter as "shot" when that fighter is capable of handling over 90% of his field.

Hopkins defeated a live opponent the other night.

Do you know what 'bitter' means? How could I be bitter? Was I meant to fight Hopkins and he ditched me to fight Jones?? What possible motivation could I have to be bitter about this fight? It makes no sense. In fact, it's almost (but not quite) as ludicrous as your assertion that Roy Jones isn't shot. Nothing could be as ludicrous as that. I will ask you again - have you been in a coma for the last six or seven years? That's the only reason I can come up with that could explain someone thinking a man knocked cold by Glen Johnson and spanked in a round by Danny Green isn't a fucking cadaver.

[Unforgiven]

Hopkins defeated a live opponent the other night.

When was that ? :huh

[Addie]

I agree with Rekcutnevets.

Jones fights with Tarver, Johnson, Calzaghe, and Green were just to lure Hopkins into fighting him again. He's not been that far removed from his prime.

[Popkins]

I agree with Rekcutnevets.

Jones fights with Tarver, Johnson, Calzaghe, and Green were just to lure Hopkins into fighting him again. He's not been that far removed from his prime.

:lol:

[Addie]

Some discussions and posters just aren't deserving of being taken seriously sometimes, Popkins. People love Roy, but what will it finally take for people to accept it's all over for him? He was knocked out by three fighters who, with all due respect to them, would have struggled to win a minute of any round against a 2002 Roy Jones Jr.

[Popkins]

Some discussions and posters just aren't deserving of being taken seriously sometimes, Popkins. People love Roy, but what will it finally take for people to accept it's all over for him? He was knocked out by three fighters who, with all due respect to them, would have struggled to win a minute of any round against a 2002 Roy Jones Jr.

Honestly, I think I'm starting to get a reputation as an absolute cunt on this website, because I have now spent days pissing on those who are so detached from reality that they (a) can't see that Roy Jones is shot so full of holes he is shortly going to be nothing but empty space, and (b) that the Hopkins-Jones fight was a fucking shambolic disgrace that should never have been made and/or should have been boycotted by the fans. I just can't stop myself pursuing this issue though, I feel like the guy in Midnight Express when he's trapped in the fucking loony bin. Roy Jones has been a walking corpse for 6 or 7 years now, yet his hollow victories over cherrypicked tomato cans are somehow still convincing people that he is not a husk. It blows the mind. If people could only open their eyes and see what the situation really is, then RJJ would have retired already because no-one would be paying to see him shuffle along pathetically as he is doing. It really makes you lose faith in the boxing community. Depressing.

[Addie]

I lost a tiny bit of respect for Bernard when he signed for the fight even after the Green diabolical. It seemed to me as if he was taken his opportunity to mangle and obliterate a once truly special fighter out of bitterness and jealously. I haven't seen the fight yet, but I've now lost even more respect for Bernard for what most journalists and fans have described as "shameful playacting and foul-play".

I know you're a big fan, but what a piece of shit.

[Popkins]

I lost a tiny bit of respect for Bernard when he signed for the fight even after the Green diabolical. It seemed to me as if he was taken his opportunity to mangle and obliterate a once truly special fighter out of bitterness and jealously. I haven't seen the fight yet, but I've now lost even more respect for Bernard for what most journalists and fans have described as "shameful playacting and foul-play".

I know you're a big fan, but what a piece of shit.

My affection for B-Hop has taken a battering recently. I still love watching his fights, and I still rate him really highly, but signing to fight this version of Jones (coming off a 1st round TKO to fucking Danny Green) was an almighty and unforgivable bitch move. Fucking disgusted to be honest. (I wrote a long reply to you on this subject in your 'Popkins' thread by the way)

[Addie]

Oh. I'll check it out now. I didn't know you replied.

[Addie]

Just had a look and I think you voiced what most objective and sensible fans of the sport have thought about the match-up since the day it was signed.

I guess I just have a hard time with how the sport works sometimes. I watched the post-fight presser for Joe Calzaghe vs Jones Junior again the other day, and I can imagine all of the reporters were biting their tongue. Joe was up there saying, "I'm overwhelmed", when he really should have just said, "Thanks for coming out, I was pleased with the result, I still have great respect for Roy, I wish this fight could have happened 7-8 years ago". Then get off the stage and fuck off home. HBO should never have entertained the idea of showing a Jones Jr fight again after what happened against Johnson.

[Popkins]

Just had a look and I think you voiced what most objective and sensible fans of the sport have thought about the match-up since the day it was signed.

I guess I just have a hard time with how the sport works sometimes. I watched the post-fight presser for Joe Calzaghe vs Jones Junior again the other day, and I can imagine all of the reporters were biting their tongue. Joe was up there saying, "I'm overwhelmed", when he really should have just said, "Thanks for coming out, I was pleased with the result, I still have great respect for Roy, I wish this fight could have happened 7-8 years ago". Then get off the stage and fuck off home. HBO should never have entertained the idea of showing a Jones Jr fight again after what happened against Johnson.

Exactly. Calzaghe's antics at the end of his fight with Jones made me sick to my stomach. You'd have thought it was the end of a Rocky film the way he was carrying on, as if he was in ecstasy at an all-time great achievement, when in reality he had just tormented and humiliated (and failed to stop) a corpse.

[Stevie G]

The least significant revenge win since Duran's UD over Pat Lawlor.
I agree. Absolutely pointless.

[Addie]

It's sickening. Calzaghe did what he had to do, but just handle yourself with dignity when all is said in done. He'd never showboated like a cocky cunt like that in a fight before so why did he have to do it on that night against that opponent? Was he trying to make a point? If he was it was in real bad taste, and somewhere down the stretch I was almost willing Jones on to land another straight right on the Welshman's noggin'.

I wouldn't be in the least surprised if Jones announces another fight in the not so distant future. Beats a few nobodies, and then somehow, someway, for some obscure reason, he gets another chance on mainstream PPV to fight against a good fighter and he loses by knockout. They'll be plenty of delusional fans on this website picking Jones to make a stunning comeback leading up to the fight also, you can count on that.

It was sad too. I re-watched the Jones/Calzaghe fight again for reasons unknown to me and in between rounds Jones was heard saying. "I'm trying to get him but I can't get him". Desperation in his voice. Who would have thought.

[Popkins]

It's sickening. Calzaghe did what he had to do, but just handle yourself with dignity when all is said in done. He'd never showboated like a cocky cunt like that in a fight before so why did he have to do it on that night against that opponent? Was he trying to make a point? If he was it was in real bad taste, and somewhere down the stretch I was almost willing Jones on to land another straight right on the Welshman's noggin'.

I wouldn't be in the least surprised if Jones announces another fight in the not so distant future. Beats a few nobodies, and then somehow, someway, for some obscure reason, he gets another chance on mainstream PPV to fight against a good fighter and he loses by knockout. They'll be plenty of delusional fans on this website picking Jones to make a stunning comeback leading up to the fight also, you can count on that.

You're so right. That's precisely what I've been campaigning against these last few days. I have a horrible feeling we are going to see Roy Jones Jr vs Evander Holyfield shortly... That is going to be a dark day for boxing. Still, at least it'll get the General excited. Seriously, you wouldn't believe some of the posts on my 'DO NOT BUY HOPKINS-JONES II!' thread last week. "How can you not want to see two ATGs going at it, it's going to be great!" + "yo a fucking bitch wanting to take food off those two guys' tables, this is their life and you can't go trying to ruin their livelihood" etc... Seriously!! :lol:

[PowerPuncher]

It's sickening. Calzaghe did what he had to do, but just handle yourself with dignity when all is said in done. He'd never showboated like a cocky cunt like that in a fight before so why did he have to do it on that night against that opponent? Was he trying to make a point? If he was it was in real bad taste, and somewhere down the stretch I was almost willing Jones on to land another straight right on the Welshman's noggin'.

I wouldn't be in the least surprised if Jones announces another fight in the not so distant future. Beats a few nobodies, and then somehow, someway, for some obscure reason, he gets another chance on mainstream PPV to fight against a good fighter and he loses by knockout. They'll be plenty of delusional fans on this website picking Jones to make a stunning comeback leading up to the fight also, you can count on that.

It was sad too. I re-watched the Jones/Calzaghe fight again for reasons unknown to me and in between rounds Jones was heard saying. "I'm trying to get him but I can't get him". Desperation in his voice. Who would have thought.

He did in an early round against Bika from what I remember

I think you're both being a bit harsh against Hopkins, hes older at 45-46 now and getting close to Jones level of shotness imo, which is possibly why he play acted. Jones was a guaranteed big payday for Hopkins and it was probably his only winnable payday left

[Addie]

You're so right. That's precisely what I've been campaigning against these last few days. I have a horrible feeling we are going to see Roy Jones Jr vs Evander Holyfield shortly... That is going to be a dark day for boxing. Still, at least it'll get the General excited. Seriously, you wouldn't believe some of the posts on my 'DO NOT BUY HOPKINS-JONES II!' thread last week. "How can you not want to see two ATGs going at it, it's going to be great!" + "yo a fucking bitch wanting to take food off those two guys' tables, this is their life and you can't go trying to ruin their livelihood" etc... Seriously!! :lol:

It's beggar's belief.

Bernard Hopkins seems to have finally lost it now also, but he'll probably carry on as well. I'm glad Haye has no intention on ever entertaining the idea of fighting Hopkins at Heavyweight, the Executioner would be on the receiving end of a brutal execution if that fight was ever made a reality.

[Addie]

He did in an early round against Bika from what I
remember

Irrelevant. Still a pathetic demonstration of disrespect in my judgment.


I think you're both being a bit harsh against Hopkins, hes older at 45-46 now and getting close to Jones level of shotness imo, which is possibly why he play acted. Jones was a guaranteed big payday for Hopkins and it was probably his only winnable payday left


Again, another post from you that I can't possibly make sense of. Hopkins hadn't been knocked out cold three times prior to signing the fight with Jones Jr, and he was still on most people's P4P lists. He should never have signed a contract to fight Roy, and I thought he'd have more respect for his old adversary than to possibly fake injury, and throw repeated fouls. The whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and I'd rather use my energy to justify why it took Haye 9 rounds to stop Ruiz rather than why Hopkins would disgracee himself in front of a national audience like that.

[Popkins]

It's beggar's belief.

Bernard Hopkins seems to have finally lost it now also, but he'll probably carry on as well. I'm glad Haye has no intention on ever entertaining the idea of fighting Hopkins at Heavyweight, the Executioner would be on the receiving end of a brutal execution if that fight was ever made a reality.

A 220lbs peak Haye knocks out a 180lbs 45 year old shot B-Hop. To be honest, I can't think of a decent name I'd back Bernard to beat right now, not on the form of the Jones fight. I think even Glen Johnson would outwork and beat him, as Johnson's stamina looks to be holding up despite his age. Dawson would dominate B-Hop now.

[Stevie G]

You're so right. That's precisely what I've been campaigning against these last few days. I have a horrible feeling we are going to see Roy Jones Jr vs Evander Holyfield shortly... That is going to be a dark day for boxing. Still, at least it'll get the General excited. Seriously, you wouldn't believe some of the posts on my 'DO NOT BUY HOPKINS-JONES II!' thread last week. "How can you not want to see two ATGs going at it, it's going to be great!" + "yo a fucking bitch wanting to take food off those two guys' tables, this is their life and you can't go trying to ruin their livelihood" etc... Seriously!! :lol:
Yeah. Some people just do n't get it,do they ? This kind of crap is not boxing.

[Briscoe]

This entire fight destabilized how I view Roy and Bernard.

- I hated watching it for one. I paid $20 at my local movie theater to watch this and I found from the 1st fight to the horrible headliner the whole event went from promising to nightmarish.

- Sillakh vs. Judah was a great display of potential talent. Seeing the Gomez debut was also great.

- Watching Sergio Mora vs. Calvin Green was fun, but after the reality set in that Green wore himself out, the fight got frustrating as Mora struggled to convincingly get the stubborn Green out of the ring. It was an awkward stoppage.

- Seeing Ray Narh fight wiped that awkward feeling away till Jason Litzau and Rocky Juarez stepped in the ring. The feeling was reinstalled and amplified. Then I dozed off for a few rounds to wake up with Juarez slowly coming alive with Litzau panicking about widening gash on his face.Then came the stoppage.

- Finally, I was tired but ready for the main event. This was a travesty. It wasn't Holmes vs. Ali, but it never should have happened. The fight would have been more exciting to speculate the winner on this message board then to have to watch it live. I don't know who to draw as a true victor. The Roy that struggled to do his thing? Or the Bernard that I can't tell if he's faking it or not? B-Hop won, but looked like a total dick with the fouls. Roy lost, but looks like a victim because of Hopkins.

The next day I saw the message board lit up with accusations, nut huggers, true fans, and armchair historians all trying to desperately get their point across. Looking at that board and all it's conflicting thread topics reminded me of how I felt right after watching the fight. That fight created more of a mess then a final answer. I pray they don't try a 3rd match, but B-Hop likes to viscerally prove himself in any situation (considering he gets his way) and Roy thinks he's got something left (I hope he retires soon). I thought we learned from the Hagler vs. Leonard debacle. Just let it go man. Let it go.

Roy might have won years ago, but he left a cheap legacy. Bernard might have lost in '93, but look what he built after that. He didn't need to fight Roy again to prove anything and now look what happened.

[lefthook31]

Just had a look and I think you voiced what most objective and sensible fans of the sport have thought about the match-up since the day it was signed.

I guess I just have a hard time with how the sport works sometimes. I watched the post-fight presser for Joe Calzaghe vs Jones Junior again the other day, and I can imagine all of the reporters were biting their tongue. Joe was up there saying, "I'm overwhelmed", when he really should have just said, "Thanks for coming out, I was pleased with the result, I still have great respect for Roy, I wish this fight could have happened 7-8 years ago". Then get off the stage and fuck off home. HBO should never have entertained the idea of showing a Jones Jr fight again after what happened against Johnson.
When you have a strong affection for a fighter and watched them their entire career, you want to see them. I mean Ive bought some crazy boxing PPV's in my time for this reason as Im sure most people have. The difference is putting their current state in the proper perspective. I dont think anyone thought Jones was going to be like he was in his prime, but some people want to see their favorites regardless of their condition. Most great fighters through time have done it, and most deserve to do it, because they built a career going through the trenches and building their loyal following. People will buy Evander Holyfield vs Francois Botha fight this weekend as well, not because they expect Evander to perform like he did in in 1992, but because of all the great memories he gave them.
I know your a younger guy, and you probably havent followed a fighter live his entire career yet, but Im sure if Barrera came back and fought someone he had virtually no chance with, you would tune in just to see how he does. You can watch and enjoy a fight if you watch it in the proper perspective. I dont think it promotes for bad boxing cards to be made, because its been this way forever, sometimes you get a good scrap or an upset, and the only way one of these fights can be made is with cooperation from the loyal fans and the fighters themselves and I dont think this fight was ever expected to be anything more than two old legends getting some redemption on each other. HBO wanted no part of the fight, Hopkins wanted the fight, and the fans supported it for Hopkins and Jones. It doesnt make you any less or more of an expert for tuning into a fight that may not be competitive. Remember one of the biggest promoted mismatches in history is still pretty close to being the most watched PPV in history, Tyson Holyfield.