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Vincent Gottschalk

10-09-2007, 05:18 PM

Who do guys think wins this fight?

TRUEBELIEVER 66

10-09-2007, 05:21 PM

Who do guys think wins this fight?

Wright by decision...

Calzaghe-Pavlik would be a better scrap, but little chance of it happening unless Cali agrees to come to the states, but don't hold your breath..:-(

bumdujour

10-09-2007, 05:21 PM

Wright will be difficult, but pavliks superior power and strengthe will get him a clear ud..

gutto

10-09-2007, 05:32 PM

Wright For Me On Points Dont Think Pavlik Would Catch Him Clean Enough To Ko Imo

jaycuban

10-09-2007, 05:36 PM

Winky Wright would beat Pavlik, to much defence and boxing skills

Wilhelm

10-09-2007, 05:37 PM

Wright will be difficult, but pavliks superior power and strengthe will get him a clear ud..

That's what everyone said about Tito. You can't beat Winky with just strength and power.

Winky by UD.

klion22

10-09-2007, 05:41 PM

Winky UD i think.

He's just so hard to hit and he keeps people at bay with that jab. Remember that Wright is naturally right handed so his right hand is his strong hand. Too much defense and skill IMO. Pavlik might catch Wright but i seriously doubt it.

SkillsSoSmooth

10-09-2007, 05:50 PM

Pavlik is way too open and one dimensional to beat Winky, winky's defence combined with his excellent technical skills would be a nightmare for Pavlik,

Wright Ud

Fab2333

10-09-2007, 05:52 PM

That's what everyone said about Tito. You can't beat Winky with just strength and power.

Winky by UD.

I was just about to post the same damn thing, read my mind.
:deal

psychopath

10-09-2007, 05:57 PM

Pavlik will retire WINKY. :yep

tays001

10-09-2007, 06:45 PM

i say winky gets destroyed in this one

joe33

10-09-2007, 06:47 PM

Winkys to old now, and surley the last thing a old fighter would need,is a big hitting young guy in the same ring with him,id say mid fight ko win for pavlik,BUT you never can tell.

El Bombasto

10-09-2007, 06:50 PM

Wright For Me On Points Dont Think Pavlik Would Catch Him Clean Enough To Ko Imo

wright several years ago at 154 and wright today at 160+ are two completely different fighters. if winky even bothers to cover-up with his peakaboo-d, pavlik punches right through it or catches him with uppercuts.

kelly ko7

Fedor Em

10-09-2007, 06:50 PM

Winky was fat and starting to gas against Hopkins late, that extra 10 pounds was really bad for him.

If Winky can return to from ala Taylor or Tito then he wins a decision, if he looked like he did against Hops then he gets stopped late.

brooklyn1550

10-09-2007, 07:19 PM

Kelly Pavlik by UD or late TKO...not a good matchup stylistically for Winky in my opinion.

Pimp C

10-09-2007, 07:24 PM

A prime Winky would easily outclass Kelly much like the way he did Tito. But now his footwork is too poor and I could see Kelly walking him down cutting off the ring and pounding on him. I still would like to see the fight though.

Irländsk

10-09-2007, 07:35 PM

I have to agree with some of the earlier posters that Winky doesn't have the strength or aggression to keep Pavlik off him. Kelly would bust him up inside and take his legs away early, and as I can never see Winky hurting Pavlik like Taylor did, he probably ends up unconscious sooner than Taylor was. I would be surprised to see it go past 6, Pavlik does not let people get away from him, and will land a paralyzing shot, sooner rather than later.

brooklyn1550

10-09-2007, 07:42 PM

Wright would school, punish, and embarras pavlik. He would literally be a ghost after that ass whippin. Wouldnt even be an exciting fight.

:patsch

klion22

10-09-2007, 07:47 PM

You can't compare Wright's defense to Pavlik's. It's not even funny.

Pavlik might overpower Wright but Wright has the ability to make people miss and he's also got that stiff jab that he uses constantly to keep people at bay. I know there is no way Wright will hurt Pavlik but i think he would have a good shot. Again, if he isn't overpowered.

brooklyn1550

10-09-2007, 07:49 PM

:patsch

How is Winky going to easily beat Kelly Pavlik. Winky doesn't have much movement and he just covers up, comes forward, jabs, and throws volumes of punches. Against Pavlik, he would be facing the longer, bigger, and stronger fighter. Pavlik's jab would cover more ground and his powershots would break through Winky's defense. Pavlik is excellent at cutting off the ring and when he does, Winky would be blasted, especially with the upper cut.

Don't get me wrong, Winky is a great fighter, but against Pavlik, I don't see him having a good night...let alone an easy night.

Marnoff

10-09-2007, 07:56 PM

Hard to say. We'll see how Winky looks when he goes back down in weight. Certainly not impossible for him to win, he just got in a bad stylistic matchup last time. Hopkins is all wrong for Winky because he can take Winky out of his comfort zone, something other people could not.

standing 8

10-09-2007, 07:57 PM

Pavlik via TKO.

El Bombasto

10-09-2007, 08:55 PM

:patsch

:patsch :patsch

TanstA

10-09-2007, 08:57 PM

Shit, I thought Taylor would win on points. Winky? IF he can go all twelve he very well can but Kelly Pavlik isnt going to let that happen, lol.

dragosuhail

10-09-2007, 09:26 PM

SkillsSoSmooth

10-09-2007, 09:55 PM

easy one to pick. pavlik by ko.

winky wright adopted the turtle defense after he got knocked down something like 5-6 times in a junior middleweight fight....

in other words his chin ain't that good for a junior middleweight.

so, you put him in there with a huge middleweight who could easily fill into light heavy in a few years, who has world class ko power and is a great finisher (unlike the dude that knocked wright down 5 times!). AND pavlik has a great jab which is always a must for any fighter, combined with excellent stamina etc. and you have an easy ko victory for kelly.

dont get me wrong, winky won some great fights in his day, but he's getting long in the tooth, fighting above his natural weight, a powder puff puncher, and doesn't have the punch output to stand any real chance of decisioning pavlik.

seriously not a hard fight to figure out.

Are you crazy?, do you know how long ago that fight when Winky got knocked down was :patsch , and furthermore Pavlik has been put on his ass more than once so the suckers who think he "can't be hurt" are talking out of their ass, just like when fools thought Floyd couldn't hurt Oscar too!! :lol: ,

I'm wondering how many people have actually seen Pavlik fight because the man is so one dimensional it's a joke, if Taylor wasn't so slack with his left hand he would have won the fight easy and Winky is better both technically and defensively and that's why he gives Pavlik a problem he's never faced before, Winky has been in with better fighters and has more experiance of fighting guys like Kelly while Kelly hasn't faced anyone like Winky, Winky doesn't leave himself open like Miranda and Taylor and that's when the questions will be asked.

SkillsSoSmooth

10-09-2007, 09:57 PM

bernard said himself that winky gets knocked out by pavlik. winky is not mobile enough, nor does he have the power to scare/keep of pavlik. anyone who thinks winky wins this one, let alone has a good chance is delusional.

Bernard also said "Oscar will beat Floyd" too :lol:

Fab2333

10-09-2007, 10:16 PM

Are you crazy?, do you know how long ago that fight when Winky got knocked down was :patsch , and furthermore Pavlik has been put on his ass more than once so the suckers who think he "can't be hurt" are talking out of their ass, just like when fools thought Floyd couldn't hurt Oscar too!! :lol: ,

I'm wondering how many people have actually seen Pavlik fight because the man is so one dimensional it's a joke, if Taylor wasn't so slack with his left hand he would have won the fight easy and Winky is better both technically and defensively and that's why he gives Pavlik a problem he's never faced before, Winky has been in with better fighters and has more experiance of fighting guys like Kelly while Kelly hasn't faced anyone like Winky, Winky doesn't leave himself open like Miranda and Taylor and that's when the questions will be asked.:deal :thumbsup

SkillsSoSmooth

10-09-2007, 10:35 PM

But unlike you, Hopkins has actually fought and beat up Winky Wright.

Again, the Pavlik haters need to find a new Great (black) Hope to beat Pavlik because it sure as hell aint Winky Wright.

People who think Pavlik is "one dimensional" or slow are allowing their own racial prejudice to get in the way of actually watching Pavlik. The idea the Winky Wright could handle Kelly at 160 let alone 168 is a joke.

The fight would be a brutal ending to Wright's career and of course people would say he lost because his was old etc etc.

Great "black" hope huh?, no white boy they don't need to be "great" to beat Pavlik :hi: , your dumb ass talks about "racial prejudice" but starts the post off with a racial slur!!, go suck a dick punk you ain't fooling nobody!!,

Kid chocolate is waiting for that joke Pavlik.

Antwuan Maxx

10-09-2007, 10:40 PM

I think a lot of you are forgetting that Winky's guard isn't nearly as tight as was in previous years. This is why fighters like Sam Soliman and Ike Quartey were able to land with regularity. Pavlik will wear Winky down, and stop him late.

booradley

10-09-2007, 11:40 PM

Bronco McKart took Winky the distance TWICE, and the first fight ended in a controversial split decision. When Bronco fought Pavlik he had some 50 odd fights on his resume' with 39 KO's, and had NEVER BEEN DOWN. He lasted less than 6 rounds with Pavlik. Taylor fought Winky to a controversial draw. Taylor, too, had had never been stopped. He lasted less than 7 rounds with "The Ghost." Moreover, people who claim Pavlik is "one dimensional" simply have not been paying attention. He has a specific style that works well enough to make him the world champion. That does not mean he is one dimensional. No way does Winky win this one. It would be a typical Pavlik fight: back and forth for 4 or 5 rounds, and then Kelly steps on the gas and brings the show to a dramatic close somewhere between rounds 6 and 8.:yep

Boo

etong_08

10-09-2007, 11:43 PM

Pavlik is so tailormade for WInky. ;)

brooklyn1550

10-09-2007, 11:44 PM

Pavlik is so tailormade for WInky. ;)

How so?

cuchulain

10-09-2007, 11:48 PM

I don't think Winky would have much chance.

Mid rounds KO.

Farmboxer

10-10-2007, 12:38 AM

Pavlik by brutal knockout!!!

perfume

10-10-2007, 09:04 AM

Winky would outbox Pavlik....it wouldn't even be close. Winky would take away his jab and right hand and I don't think Pavlik hits harder than Taylor who couldn't get to Winky either. Winky hasn't been down in over 10 years, that a testament to his defense.

Pavlik has no defense, Winky would just outscore him.

Winky UD

If Winky had power, he get Pavlik out of there early because Pavlik chin is garbage!!!

rushman

10-10-2007, 09:41 AM

Pavlik would win by TKO.

Winky is too small and too faded to be able to do anything useful. He would not manage to keep Pavlik off, he just doesn't have that in him anymore.

A younger version of Wright might have just been able to use superior skills to offset the size advantage. Now? Easy money is on Pavlik.

warrior85

10-10-2007, 10:37 AM

pavlik on pts,that would be a bore tho,there styles really wouldnt blend well.

diamondDave

10-10-2007, 10:47 AM

Pavlik is not going to go through the smaller, older, light hitting Wright, who is on the decline. I dont see this being a close fight at all.

Pavlik tko9 Wright

marauder1999

10-10-2007, 11:37 AM

marauder1999

10-10-2007, 11:44 AM

but he forgot how to keep his left hand up. maybe he had a weight in his glove.

Hes had problems keeping that left up throughout his whole career. He had an interview once that asked him about it and he told them that when he first started boxing thats how he was taught by his trainer. Manny acted as if he was "fixed" of this flaw but he had it low much of the fight against Pavlik. Didnt look "fixed" to me.

BewareofDawg

10-10-2007, 11:46 AM

I can't believe Winky is losing this poll. He has been so underrated after his loss to Hopkins at 170.

BITCH ASS

10-10-2007, 12:05 PM

I can't believe Winky is losing this poll. He has been so underrated after his loss to Hopkins at 170.

Hopkins himself said that Pavlik would probably stop Winky at this stage in his career.

He makes a good point.

While Winky is a very intelligent fighter with a good defense, his footwork isn't what it used to be and he's getting old.

Pavlik will have reach, size, workrate, and power advantages over Wright.

It will be difficult for Wright to get in close enough to land that jab.

Besides, Wright has never fought a guy like Pavlik before. He could contain Mosley because because he was bigger, and against Hopkins he had his moments, but that's partially because Hopkins isn't the fighter he used to be either.

Pavlik will keep Winky at range and Winky's guard will eventually be penetrated. Pavlik has a good enough workrate to keep hammering away at Winky's gloves until Winky feels like his hands are going to fall off.

If Winky tries to be aggressive, it won't work. He doesn't have the power to put Pavlik down and will leave himself open when he attacks.

To me, unless a miracle happens, this looks like a no-win situation for Winky.

Just a bad physical matchup against an aging fighter.

BITCH ASS

10-10-2007, 12:06 PM

BTW, I really want to see this fight.

El Bombasto

10-10-2007, 12:10 PM

I'm surprised how many people have picked Wright in this one. He may be a better boxer, but his best days are 3 years behind him and two weight classes beneath him. This is an easy one to pick IMO

Pavlik by TKO/UD (depedning on how much respect he shows Winky)

BewareofDawg

10-10-2007, 12:14 PM

BITCH ASS

10-10-2007, 12:15 PM

It'd be a somewhat tough fight for Pavlik, just the thing is..is that Wright doesn't have the strength to keep Pavlik off or the punching power to make him think twice. Wright is a tough guy with a superb chin which would be his downfall. Pavlik would beat on him and win a pretty clear decision.

BTW..anyone got a source to where Hopkins says Pavlik would beat Wright?

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BITCH ASS

10-10-2007, 12:17 PM

Honestly, and I'm not being a dick, but who the fuck gives a shit if Hopkins said that? The truth is both those guys beat the guy that beat him twice. And if Hopkins fought Wright or Pavlik at Middle, he would lose.

I think Hopkins is a guy that more or less tells it like it is.

I believe that he actually has a whole lot of respect regarding Wright.

He also said that Pavlik would lose to Kessler, (but it was very tough to call), and Calzaghe.

SkillsSoSmooth

10-10-2007, 02:45 PM

Shut up kid, you're probably just some irish white wigger living in the middle of Brooklyn :yep

Now fuck off you dumb shit. :good

Step back you punkass tranny.. you ain't ready!!. :lol: probably another white boy catching bonners over Pavlik!! :hi: .