rate/Discuss these Flyweights

[lora]

All part of the steadily consistent and deep sixties through to eighties/early '90s period.

Pone Kingpetch
Hiroyuki Ebihara
Fighting Harada
walter McGowan
Salvatore Burruni
Chartchai Chionoi
Efren Torres
Horacio Accavallo
Masao Ohba
Betulio Gonzales
Shoji Oguma
erbito Salavarria
Susumi Hanagata
Guty Espadas
Chan-Hee Park
Luis estaba
Yoko Gushiken
Alfonso Lopez
Jung-Koo Chang
Myung-Woo yuh
Hilario Zapata
German Torres
Sot Chitalada
Dave McAuley
Charlie Magri
Duke McKenzie
Luis Ibarra
Fidel Bassa
Santos laciar
Yuri Arbachakov
Mark Johnson
MIchael Carbajal
Chiquita Gonzalez
Ricardo Lopez


And any others.in other words a catch all Flyweight thread for this time-period, and how no Mexican can be objective about Finito;).

[El Bujia]

That's a tall order. My name gives away my personal fave, along with his nemesis Chang. Complete opposites in style, oddly enough, but both among the most captivating and amazing lower weights stylists of all time, or at least of the filmed era, the way I see it. It's nice to see a lot of those guys get mentions, though. Salavarria I hardly ever hear mentioned on any forum, even among Filipino's. Very underrated and skilled technical boxer. On that note, what do you make of Venice Borkhorsor, who not only handily won a decision over Erbito, but gave another staple of the time in Betulio Gonzalez the only proper stoppage defeat of his prime? I'm pretty sure the only footage that exists of him is the film of his fight against Herrera at Bantam, most of which leads me to believe he got shafted by the judges.

[lora]

Don't get me wrong i'm not expecting people to comment on every one mentioned.Just pick a few out, discuss fights, or ask questions about some if you have any.

I shamefully forgot about Venice.Probably because I've only seen his Bantamweight stuff and he's a skilled tank even there, so i've no doubt he was a wrecking ball at Fly.I wonder if Ohba would have been able to defeat him, considering his often slow starts and dentable chin; Bhorkorsor was not someone you would want to spot a lead , or give some big early rounds and chance to build momentum.

[McGrain]

That's a tall order. My name gives away my personal fave, along with his nemesis Chang. Complete opposites in style, oddly enough, but both among the most captivating and amazing lower weights stylists of all time, or at least of the filmed era, the way I see it. It's nice to see a lot of those guys get mentions, though. Salavarria I hardly ever hear mentioned on any forum, even among Filipino's. Very underrated and skilled technical boxer. On that note, what do you make of Venice Borkhorsor, who not only handily won a decision over Erbito, but gave another staple of the time in Betulio Gonzalez the only proper stoppage defeat of his prime? I'm pretty sure the only footage that exists of him is the film of his fight against Herrera at Bantam, most of which leads me to believe he got shafted by the judges.

;)

[doug.ie]

pity galaxy was super fly...be interesting to see where people rated him among that lot

myself...i was naturally a fan of mc cauley...but bassa is listed there and he got the better of our man twice...

[sweet_scientist]

All part of the steadily consistent and deep sixties through to eighties/early '90s period.

Pone Kingpetch
Hiroyuki Ebihara
Fighting Harada
walter McGowan
Salvatore Burruni
Chartchai Chionoi
Efren Torres
Horacio Accavallo
Masao Ohba
Betulio Gonzales
Shoji Oguma
erbito Salavarria
Susumi Hanagata
Guty Espadas
Chan-Hee Park
Luis estaba
Yoko Gushiken
Alfonso Lopez
Jung-Koo Chang
Myung-Woo yuh
Hilario Zapata
German Torres
Sot Chitalada
Dave McAuley
Charlie Magri
Duke McKenzie
Luis Ibarra
Fidel Bassa
Santos laciar
Yuri Arbachakov
Mark Johnson
MIchael Carbajal
Chiquita Gonzalez
Ricardo Lopez


And any others.in other words a catch all Flyweight thread for this time-period, and how no Mexican can be objective about Finito;).

Getting away from ratings, I'll just say that i'd have loved to have seen the following 10 matchups:

Mark Johnson vs. Hilario Zapata - the ultimate offense vs. the ultimate defense

Hiroyuki Ebihara vs. Chan Hee Park - two of the more naturally talented, speedy flyweights

Shoji Oguma vs. Myung Woo Yuh - not the most naturally gifted guys, but big hearts would be on display here

Santos Laciar vs. Guty Espadas - two well rounded exponents, would be a good tactical fight

Yoko Gushiken vs. German Torres - would be a war

Alfonso Lopez vs. Luis Ibarra - excellent skills and softish chins, wonder if one will give

Jung Koo Chang vs. Masao Ohba - pretty hard stylistic fight for Chang, on top of the weight differential, but it would be interesting to see some of his limits - Ohba would test them for sure

Horacio Accavallo vs. Betulio Gonzalez - both of these guys were quiet achievers. Sparks won't fly, but it would be one for the scorecard enthusiasts, which i am ;)

Salvatore Burruni vs. Fidel Bassa - Got no idea how this one would go, which is why I wouldn't mind seeing it.

Fighting Harada vs. Ricardo Lopez - anyone else wanna see Ric put in his place? :yep

[Dempsey1238]

Think I rank Harada number 1 out of that list.

But thats just me lol.

[WhataRock]

On that note, what do you make of Venice Borkhorsor, who not only handily won a decision over Erbito, but gave another staple of the time in Betulio Gonzalez the only proper stoppage defeat of his prime? I'm pretty sure the only footage that exists of him is the film of his fight against Herrera at Bantam, most of which leads me to believe he got shafted by the judges.

I believe I scored one round of the completed rounds of my version of that fight for Herrera. Would have taken something amazing in the remanding rounds for it not to be a complete robbery.

Borkhosor was a little tank...I cant imagine what he would have looked like at fly.


I think maybe his fight with Cabanella is filmed also..I havent seen it and I could be wrong with what the other fight is.

[GPater11093]

The era just after Harada and Kinpetch really is deep aint it.

McGowan, Chinoi, Burrini, Torres and Accavalo. Then it goes into the Ohba, Canto, Gonzalez era.

I think that first era really is interesting as they are so well matched. Has anyone seen the highlights of Torres vs Accavlao? looks a real good scrap.

[Korean Hawk]

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[red cobra]

All part of the steadily consistent and deep sixties through to eighties/early '90s period.

Pone Kingpetch
Hiroyuki Ebihara
Fighting Harada
walter McGowan
Salvatore Burruni
Chartchai Chionoi
Efren Torres
Horacio Accavallo
Masao Ohba
Betulio Gonzales
Shoji Oguma
erbito Salavarria
Susumi Hanagata
Guty Espadas
Chan-Hee Park
Luis estaba
Yoko Gushiken
Alfonso Lopez
Jung-Koo Chang
Myung-Woo yuh
Hilario Zapata
German Torres
Sot Chitalada
Dave McAuley
Charlie Magri
Duke McKenzie
Luis Ibarra
Fidel Bassa
Santos laciar
Yuri Arbachakov
Mark Johnson
MIchael Carbajal
Chiquita Gonzalez
Ricardo Lopez


And any others.in other words a catch all Flyweight thread for this time-period, and how no Mexican can be objective about Finito;).
My favorite fly champ was Miguel Canto.

[AlFrancis]

The era just after Harada and Kinpetch really is deep aint it.

McGowan, Chinoi, Burrini, Torres and Accavalo. Then it goes into the Ohba, Canto, Gonzalez era.

I think that first era really is interesting as they are so well matched. Has anyone seen the highlights of Torres vs Accavlao? looks a real good scrap.

You've really got to see the McGowan Chionoi fights to see how great McGowan was at flyweight, just brilliant. Having said that there are some great fighter on this list and if they were a bit heavier and a bit more American would have a lot more recognition.

[Korean Hawk]

I need to get them fights. As you know I am a massive McGowan fan, currently doing a lot of research on him and Chic Calderwood.

Al - it is Gpater here.