Your Country's Best..........

[HairyHighlander]

In each weight class, old or new.

Presume this is an international wordwide competition.

Who do you have at the weight that will bring home a win ?



Call it your Pro select.

Who do you nominate from your country to hold it down, old or new, young or old in there selected weight division ?

[Drew101]

Canada:

Heavyweight: If Lewis isn't available? Then it's a toss-up between Ruddock and Chuvalo.

Light Heavyweight: Jack Delaney

Middleweight: Sam Langford

Welterweight: Jimmy McLarnin

Lightweight: Arturo Gatti, I guess.

Featherweight: George Dixon

Bantamweight: Johnny Coulon

Flyweight: Frenchy Belanger

[HairyHighlander]

Canada:

Heavyweight: If Lewis isn't available? Then it's a toss-up between Ruddock and Chuvalo.

Light Heavyweight: Jack Delaney

Middleweight: Sam Langford

Welterweight: Jimmy McLarnin

Lightweight: Arturo Gatti, I guess.

Featherweight: George Dixon

Bantamweight: Johnny Coulon

Flyweight: Frenchy Belanger

Brilliant !!!!!!!

I was going to say, if 3 or 5 suffice, then thats fine.

Some names i dont know, will check out.

Thanks

[Jorodz]

fuck, this is tough for me...

Heavyweight-Sam Langford
Super Middle-Eric Lucas
Welterweight-Mysterious Billy Smith or Jimmy McLarnin (if I'm allowed to steal him from Ireland)
Junior Lightweight-Arturo Gatti
Featherweight-George Dixon


That's all i got for now. Essentially, the only shot we have is at heavyweight. O CANADA!!!

[Jorodz]

Canada:

Heavyweight: If Lewis isn't available? Then it's a toss-up between Ruddock and Chuvalo.

Light Heavyweight: Jack Delaney

Middleweight: Sam Langford

Welterweight: Jimmy McLarnin

Lightweight: Arturo Gatti, I guess.

Featherweight: George Dixon

Bantamweight: Johnny Coulon

Flyweight: Frenchy Belanger

haha pretty damn similar to mine but some names i never thought of!

[Drew101]

Yeah, actually with the line-up posted, we have some pretty decent contenders at most of the weights.

[Jorodz]

Yeah, actually with the line-up posted, we have some pretty decent contenders at most of the weights.

i had trouble placing langford...though he likely does have a better shot at middleweight than heavy. still, if we can place him at 168 he could dominate!

[PhillyPhan69]

From the COUNTRY of PHILADELPHIA!

HW- Smokin' Joe Frazier (Philly Boxing History calls Liston a Philly boxer, so if you do you could put him in the eqation)

LHW- 1. Tommy Loughran
2. Matthew Franklin/Saad Muhammad
3. Harold Johnson
(Philly boxing history for some reason lables Qawi the camden (NJ) Buzzsaw as a philly fighter...if you want to put him in the eqation)

MW- ****Marvin Hagler (considered an adopted son through his Philly wars!)
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Joey Giardello
4. Bad Bennie
T5. Monroe/Watts/Hart

WW- 1. Gil Turner
2. Harry Lewis-Henry Besterman

LWW- Meldrick Taylor

LW- 1. Lou Tendler
2. Bobcat Bob Montgomery

FW- Tough one???
1. Benny Bass
2. Percey Bassett

BW- "Joltin" Jeff Chandler

[djanders]

Partial...From the COUNTRY of PHILADELPHIA!

:lol: :good

[bodhi]

The ten greatest German fighters:

1. Max Schmeling - hw
2. Bubi Scholz - lw, ww, mw, lhw
3. Gustav Eder - ww, mw, lhw
4. Dariusz Michaelchewski - lhw, cw
5. Sven Ottke - smw
6. Willie Quator - fw, lw
7. Graziano Rocchigiani - smw, lhw
8. Eckhard Dagge - sww
9. Henry Maske - lhw, cw
0. Walter Neusel - hw

[Jack Dempsey]

I'll do this as Britain

Heavy - Lennox Lewis
Cruiser - David Haye
Light Heavy - Bob Fitzsimmons
Super Middle - Joe Calzaghe
Middle - Bob Fitzsimmons
Welter - Ted Kid Lewis
Jnr Welter - Ricky Hatton
Light - Freddie Welsh
Feather - Jim Driscoll
Bantam - ?
Fly - Jimmy Wilde

[Mr Butt]

ENGLAND

hw lennox lewis
cw david haye
lh bob fitzsimons
sm nigel benn
mw alan minter/randolph turpin
lm maurice hope
ww ted kid lewis
lw jack kid berg
lw jack kid berg
fw naseem hamed
bw digger stanley
fly peter kane

[OBCboxer]

United States

HW- Muhammad Ali
CW- Evander Holyfield
LHW- Ezzard Charles
SMW- Roy Jones Jr.
MW- Marvin Hagler
WW- Sugar Ray Robinson
LWW- Aaron Pryor
LW- Joe Gans
FW- Willie Pep
BW- Manny Ortiz
Fly- Midget Wolgast

[TheGreatA]

Finland

HW: Gunnar Bärlund (top contender for Joe Louis's title)
LHW: Pekka Kokkonen (fought Harold Johnson)
MW: Amin Asikainen (top 10 ranked MW recently)
LW: Elis Ask (top 10 ranked FW during Saddler/Pep era)
FW: Olli Mäki (only Finnish boxer to fight for the world title, against Davey Moore)
Fly/BW: Risto Luukkonen (fought future champ Salvatore Burruni)

Not too many greats produced around these parts...

[AlFrancis]

United States

HW- Muhammad Ali
CW- Evander Holyfield
LHW- Ezzard Charles
SMW- Roy Jones Jr.
MW- Marvin Hagler
WW- Sugar Ray Robinson
LWW- Aaron Pryor
LW- Joe Gans
FW- Willie Pep
BW- Manny Ortiz
Fly- Midget Wolgast


Alright smart arse :lol:

[Pusnuts]

New Zealand:

Heavyweight: David Tua or Tom Heeney (fought Dempsey and Tunney), minor mentions to Kali Meehan and Herbert "Maori" Slade who fought John L Sullivan

Light Heavyweight: Bob Fitzsimmons (yes the great man was raised in NZ since age 9, first learned to box here and worked here as a blacksmith)

Featherweight: "Torpedo" Billy Murphy who was a world champion around 1890

Thats pretty much it but Im not much of a local historian

[janitor]

For the U.K.

Heavyweight-Lennox Lewis
Light heavy-Bob Fitzsimmons
Middleweight-Bob Fitzsimmons
Welterweight-Ted Kidd Lewis
Lightweight-Fredie Welsh
Featherweight-Jem Driscoll
Bantemweight-Pedlar Palmer
Flyweight Jimmy Wilde

[janitor]

Light Heavyweight: Bob Fitzsimmons (yes the great man was raised in NZ since age 9, first learned to box here and worked here as a blacksmith)


Hands off Fitzsimmons he bellongs to us.

[Jorodz]

United States

HW- Muhammad Ali
CW- Evander Holyfield
LHW- Ezzard Charles
SMW- Roy Jones Jr.
MW- Marvin Hagler
WW- Sugar Ray Robinson
LWW- Aaron Pryor
LW- Joe Gans
FW- Willie Pep
BW- Manny Ortiz
Fly- Midget Wolgast

fuck...i think we have a winner

[Jorodz]

New Zealand:

Heavyweight: David Tua or Tom Heeney (fought Dempsey and Tunney)

Light Heavyweight: Bob Fitzsimmons (yes the great man was raised in NZ since age 9, first learned to box here and worked here as a blacksmith)

Thats pretty much it but Im not much of a local historian

if he takes fitz we definitely take mclarnin

[The Pup]

Hands off Fitzsimmons he bellongs to us.

When I read a few years back that he was raised here I felt instant Pride :yep
Were just renting him.. for eternity

[thesham01]

IRELAND

HEAVYWEIGHT - Tom Sharkey
LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT -
MIDDLEWEIGHT -
WELTERWEIGHT - Jimmy McLarnin
LIGHTWEIGHT - Jack McAuliffe
FEATHERWEIGHT - Wayne McCullough/ Barry McGuigan


Irish-American's would add more of course (Mickey Walker etc etc)

Thinking about it, surely Irish-Americans count??

[HairyHighlander]

Loving this, tons of names to check, thanks.

OBC/OCB the fuck is that ...........Olympic , Commonwealth etc ?

[bodhi]

IRELAND

HEAVYWEIGHT - Tom Sharkey
LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT -
MIDDLEWEIGHT -
WELTERWEIGHT - Jimmy McLarnin
LIGHTWEIGHT - Jack McAuliffe
FEATHERWEIGHT - Wayne McCullough/ Barry McGuigan


Irish-American's would add more of course (Mickey Walker etc etc)

Thinking about it, surely Irish-Americans count??

If they do, I claim Harry Greb for Germany :D

[Pusnuts]

Hands off Fitzsimmons he bellongs to us.

Get stuffed! He was raised in NZ since the age of 9! He even developed his famed blacksmith physique there and had his first few professional fights there.
His father was an Irishman from county Armagh in any case.
His formative influences were from NZ and once he became an established professional he fought out of USA not Britain.

He is at least as much a NZer as English , fact !

[janitor]

IRELAND

HEAVYWEIGHT - Tom Sharkey
LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT -
MIDDLEWEIGHT -
WELTERWEIGHT - Jimmy McLarnin
LIGHTWEIGHT - Jack McAuliffe
FEATHERWEIGHT - Wayne McCullough/ Barry McGuigan


You might find that the bareknuckle era would strengthen your list somewhat.

[Jorodz]

Get stuffed! He was raised in NZ since the age of 9! He even developed his famed blacksmith physique there and had his first few professional fights there.
His father was an Irishman from county Armagh in any case.
His formative influences were from NZ and once he became an established professional he fought out of USA not Britain.

He is at least as much a NZer as English , fact !

i say he's canadian. fuck you both

[janitor]

Get stuffed! He was raised in NZ since the age of 9! He even developed his famed blacksmith physique there and had his first few professional fights there.
His father was an Irishman from county Armagh in any case.
His formative influences were from NZ and once he became an established professional he fought out of USA not Britain.

He is at least as much a NZer as English , fact !

His birth certificate says that he was born in the U.K.

Ours, ours, ours!

[thesham01]

You might find that the bareknuckle era would strengthen your list somewhat.

I know next to nothing on the bareknuckle era, only McAuliffe really as he is from my hometown!

care to educate me?

[Boilermaker]

Hands off Fitzsimmons he bellongs to us.

He made his name as an Aussie!

Australia (We really are a multicultural lot)

Heavyweight: Peter Jackson
Cruiserweight: Joe Goddard
Light Heavy: Jeff Harding
Super Middleweight: Bob Fitzsimmons
Middle: Les Darcy
Light middleweight: Troy Waters
Welterweight: Kostya Tzsyu
Light Welterweight: Hector Thompson
Lightweight: Vic Patrick
Super Featherweight: Paul Ferreri
Featherweight: Johnny Famechon
Super Bantamweight: Jeff Fenech
Bantamweight: Lionel Rose
Super Flyweight: Peter Mitrevski
Flyweight: Vic Darchinian
Light Flyweight: Steve Bell
Minimum Weight: Young Ghandi

I think it is a pretty decent Team.

The yanks will be full of themselves in this tournament, but i would expect Vic, Lionel, Fenech, Fammo, Kostya, Fitzy, Darc, Vic, and young Ghandi to get the job done and send us through to the next round.

[drunkenspaniard]

El Salvador

Lightweight: Carlos "El Famoso" Hernandez
Jr. Lightweight: Carlos "El Famoso" Hernandez

Hey, if Mexicans can claim Vargas, then I'm claiming Famoso. It's all we have really... lol

[anarci]

iM surprised El Salvador hasnt had alot of top fighters. You do know that Famoso was born in LA, right? He also lives in the same town as i do along with Margarito, and Izzy.
West Covina,Ca

Mexico doesnt claim Vargas,everyone knows he is Mexican American.

[Drew101]

Gonna revise my Canadian line-up

Heavyweight: Sam Langford
Light Heavyweight: Jack Delaney
Middleweight: Lou Brouillaird
Welterweight: Jimmy McLarnin
Lightweight: Arturo Gatti
Featherweight: George Dixon
Bantamweight: Johnny Coulon
Flyweight: Frenchie Belanger

[Jorodz]

Gonna revise my Canadian line-up

Heavyweight: Sam Langford
Light Heavyweight: Jack Delaney
Middleweight: Lou Brouillaird
Welterweight: Jimmy McLarnin
Lightweight: Arturo Gatti
Featherweight: George Dixon
Bantamweight: Johnny Coulon
Flyweight: Frenchie Belanger

i like it:good sam could go heavy or middle but i like him at heavy. with mclarnin and dixon, we got some damn fine cats in there. and fuck it, i love gatti (rip)

[Drew101]

i like it:good sam could go heavy or middle but i like him at heavy. with mclarnin and dixon, we got some damn fine cats in there. and fuck it, i love gatti (rip)

Yeah, I don't think anyone here is a pushover, to say the least. Coulon reigned for 4 years at bantamweight; Belanger's reign at fly was short, but he's got a victory over Frankie Genero, and Gatti was...Gatti...so at the very least he's going to make his fights exciting.

Edit: And can't forget about Brouillaird, either. Anyone who can beat Mickey Walker and McLarnin is a legit force to deal with.

[BENNY BLANCO]

United States

HW- Muhammad Ali
CW- Evander Holyfield
LHW- Ezzard Charles
SMW- Roy Jones Jr.
MW- Marvin Hagler
WW- Sugar Ray Robinson
LWW- Aaron Pryor
LW- Joe Gans
FW- Willie Pep
BW- Manny Ortiz
Fly- Midget Wolgast Damn, USA owns all of you.:smoke

[OBCboxer]

Damn, USA owns all of you.:smoke

You know it.

[anarci]

Damn, USA owns all of you.:smoke

Thats right:good Why do you think i didnt even bother to make a list.

[ricardinho]

Thats right:good Why do you think i didnt even bother to make a list.

I tried making a list but it was too tough sometimes as the US has so much depth I wanted to be fair to all eras.

I am shocked though that the Per Capita Powerhouse the US Virgin Islands is absent from this thread so far.

[anarci]

I tried making a list but it was too tough sometimes as the US has so much depth I wanted to be fair to all eras.

I am shocked though that the Per Capita Powerhouse the US Virgin Islands is absent from this thread so far.

Actually they have only had 2 champs, If they are the highest it is because there population is really really low.

Julian Jackson
Emile Griffith are there 2champs(must say though high quality champs) Dont know of any other world class fighters from virgin Islands.

[The Wanderer]

United States

HW- Muhammad Ali
CW- Evander Holyfield
LHW- Ezzard Charles
SMW- Roy Jones Jr.
MW- Marvin Hagler
WW- Sugar Ray Robinson
LWW- Aaron Pryor
LW- Joe Gans
FW- Willie Pep
BW- Manny Ortiz
Fly- Midget Wolgast

For Junior Middleweight we can probably slide Hearns in there. He wasn't at the weight long, but he was certainly effective.

[anarci]

United States

HW- Muhammad Ali
CW- Evander Holyfield
LHW- Ezzard Charles
SMW- Roy Jones Jr.
MW- Marvin Hagler
WW- Sugar Ray Robinson
LWW- Aaron Pryor
LW- Joe Gans
FW- Willie Pep
BW- Manny Ortiz
Fly- Midget Wolgast
And you can also add
JM-Hearns
JL-Mayweather
JF-Jones,Mckinney:huh
JB-Tapia
JF-Carbajal
Mw-Olivio - he fought at jfly and fly but no MW reps.

[young griffo]

He made his name as an Aussie!

Australia (We really are a multicultural lot)

Heavyweight: Peter Jackson
Cruiserweight: Joe Goddard
Light Heavy: Jeff Harding
Super Middleweight: Bob Fitzsimmons
Middle: Les Darcy
Light middleweight: Troy Waters
Welterweight: Kostya Tzsyu
Light Welterweight: Hector Thompson
Lightweight: Vic Patrick
Super Featherweight: Paul Ferreri
Featherweight: Johnny Famechon
Super Bantamweight: Jeff Fenech
Bantamweight: Lionel Rose
Super Flyweight: Peter Mitrevski
Flyweight: Vic Darchinian
Light Flyweight: Steve Bell
Minimum Weight: Young Ghandi

I think it is a pretty decent Team.

The yanks will be full of themselves in this tournament, but i would expect Vic, Lionel, Fenech, Fammo, Kostya, Fitzy, Darc, Vic, and young Ghandi to get the job done and send us through to the next round.
Great all Aussie list (well sort of) mate but if I may be so bold as to suggest a couple of changes

-Troy Waters out and Rocky Mattioli or Charkey Ramon in at Jnr Middleweight

-Kostya Tszyu out and Jack Carroll in at Welter (Tszyu never fought at 147 to my knowledge)

-Hector Thompson out and Kostya Tszyu in at Jnr Welter (Tszyu has to be there,sorry Hector)

-Ambrose Palmer in and Jeff Harding out at Lt Heavyweight (I've a feeling that Ambrose in his prime would've given the Hitman a lesson)

Still a top list of fighters and the changes I'd make are just my personal opinion.

[Rise Above]

Great thread.

[Pusnuts]

Id be interested to see a Puerto Rico list, I know they had lots of success recently but I dont know about further back

[BENNY BLANCO]

Id be interested to see a Puerto Rico list, I know they had lots of success recently but I dont know about further back
Heavyweight- Fres Oquendo
Cruiserweight- Carlos Deleon
Light Heavyweight- Jose Torres
Middleweight- Jose Torres
Junior Middleweight- Felix Trinidad
Welterweight- Wilfred Benitez
Junior Welterweight- Wilfred Benitez
Lightweight- Carlos Ortiz
Featherweight- Wilfredo Gomez
Junior Featherweight- Wilfredo Gomez

[Boilermaker]

Great all Aussie list (well sort of) mate but if I may be so bold as to suggest a couple of changes

-Troy Waters out and Rocky Mattioli or Charkey Ramon in at Jnr Middleweight

-Kostya Tszyu out and Jack Carroll in at Welter (Tszyu never fought at 147 to my knowledge)

-Hector Thompson out and Kostya Tszyu in at Jnr Welter (Tszyu has to be there,sorry Hector)

-Ambrose Palmer in and Jeff Harding out at Lt Heavyweight (I've a feeling that Ambrose in his prime would've given the Hitman a lesson)

Still a top list of fighters and the changes I'd make are just my personal opinion.


Actually, i like those changes you have made.

There are certainly a few options to help the team along, depending on circumstances. One possibility is Dave Sands to come into the side and for Fitzy, Sands and Darcy to rotate between middleweight, supermiddle and light heavy. That might be as awesome a combination as any nation can put in the ring.

There are plenty of other fighters who are also capable of stepping in and doing a job in certain circumstances also. Jimmy Carruthers is a real standout, who could probably be slotted in there, and maybe should be.

[young griffo]

Actually, i like those changes you have made.

There are certainly a few options to help the team along, depending on circumstances. One possibility is Dave Sands to come into the side and for Fitzy, Sands and Darcy to rotate between middleweight, supermiddle and light heavy. That might be as awesome a combination as any nation can put in the ring.

There are plenty of other fighters who are also capable of stepping in and doing a job in certain circumstances also. Jimmy Carruthers is a real standout, who could probably be slotted in there, and maybe should be.
Good call about Carruthers.

Australia has been very well served by some awesome middleweights (adding Tony Mundine into the mix).

Actually Fitz,Darcy and Sands could all do the business all the way up to Heavyweight as well although Jackson deserves his spot at there.

Barry Michael and Lester Ellis must warrant consideration for Jnr Lightweight also.

[mcvey]

Canada:

Heavyweight: If Lewis isn't available? Then it's a toss-up between Ruddock and Chuvalo.

Light Heavyweight: Jack Delaney

Middleweight: Sam Langford

Welterweight: Jimmy McLarnin

Lightweight: Arturo Gatti, I guess.

Featherweight: George Dixon

Bantamweight: Johnny Coulon

Flyweight: Frenchy Belanger
Thats a mean list ,you could have Larry Gains on the bench at heavy too.

[mcvey]

His birth certificate says that he was born in the U.K.

Ours, ours, ours!

And he was naturalised an American , around the time he fought Corbett.

[Rise Above]

Good call about Carruthers.

Australia has been very well served by some awesome middleweights (adding Tony Mundine into the mix).

Actually Fitz,Darcy and Sands could all do the business all the way up to Heavyweight as well although Jackson deserves his spot at there.

Barry Michael and Lester Ellis must warrant consideration for Jnr Lightweight also.


Could you really rate Carruthers above Rose at Bantamweight though ?

[young griffo]

Could you really rate Carruthers above Rose at Bantamweight though ?
Carruthers was super impressive in his title win and defense against Toweel but his resume is thin in comparison to Rose's and doesn't feature anyone approaching Harada's status so the answer is no.

Lionel is the best Bantamweight representative for Australia imo.

[tommygun711]

From Massachusetts
Rocky marciano :D

[PhillyPhan69]

From Massachusetts
Rocky marciano :D

You could add Hagler as well...although we already adopted him in Philly!

[Pusnuts]

Well as a childhood immigrant myself I can attest that Fitz being raised in NZ from age 9 to adulthood would certainly have played a major part making him the man he was.

Bear in mind his famed blacksmith physique was first developed there along with his early professional fights. He fought in Australia for 5 years to get himself up the professional ladder and thereafter spend most of his time in USA as far as I know.

I really dont think England has a very strong claim at all, his father was Irish and he left England at a very early age. We are happy to share but the received wisdom that he is British through and through is patently false and only established by greater force of media than poor old NZ.