My Top 20 of All-Time

[jaycuban]

20. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Harry Greb
18. Marvin Hagler
17. Bernard Hopkins
16. Jake LaMotta
15. Evander Holyfield
14. Roy Jones Jr.
13. Joe Fraizer
12. Kid Gavilan
11. Floyd Mayweather
10. Rocky Marciano
9. Roberto Duran
8. Jack Dempsey
7. Sugar Ray Leonard
6. Kid Chocolate
5. Willie Pep
4. Joe Louis
3. Henry Armostrong
2. Ray Robinson
1. Muhamed Ali

[brooklyn1550]

Kid Chocolate is too high....Harry Greb is too low. I would put Greb anywhere in the top 3.

Both Leonards should be in the top 20.

[Orishaman]

well let's start by taking BHop, PBF and RJJ..JCC is to high, Ali is to high, Frazier is not part of the top 20 list also, Greb to low....Dempsey to high...Choco to high

[brooklyn1550]

My top 20 would probably include (not in any order)...

Robinson
Greb
Armstrong
Ali
Louis
Pep
Duran
B. Leonard
Langford
Charles
Moore
Johnson
S.R. Leonard
Whitaker
Gans
Canzoneri
Tunney
Walker
Ross
Wilde/McLarnin

[kg0208]

Jones, Hopkins, and PBF are not top 20 fighters. Hopkins and Jones are top 40 or so...PBF isn't.

Robinson, Greb, and a few others are too low. Chavez could be higher or lower. Depends on your criteria I guess.

[SteveO]

Can't forget the Mongoose. He did beat George Plimpton.

All kidding aside, Archie needs to be on the top 20.

[Orishaman]

Jones, Hopkins, and PBF are not top 20 fighters. Hopkins and Jones are top 40 or so...PBF isn't.

Robinson, Greb, and a few others are too low. Chavez could be higher or lower. Depends on your criteria I guess.

I still disagree with you about RJJ and BHop as top 100 material......

[kg0208]

I still disagree with you about RJJ and BHop as top 100 material......
And I with you. I will make no effort to convince you otherwise. I stand by my rankings and criteria as I am sure you do yours.

[chimba]

20. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Harry Greb
18. Marvin Hagler
17. Bernard Hopkins
16. Jake LaMotta
15. Evander Holyfield
14. Roy Jones Jr.
13. Joe Fraizer
12. Kid Gavilan
11. Floyd Mayweather
10. Rocky Marciano
9. Roberto Duran
8. Jack Dempsey
7. Sugar Ray Robinson
6. Kid Chocolate
5. Willie Pep
4. Joe Louis
3. Henry Armostrong
2. Ray Robinson
1. Muhamed Ali

Saddlers not there but Gavilan is?? unless its just your favorites this lists ok

[Orishaman]

And I with you. I will make no effort to convince you otherwise. I stand by my rankings and criteria as I am sure you do yours.

So you make it sound so cavalier from your end.....

[Amsterdam]

I still disagree with you about RJJ and BHop as top 100 material......

:-(

[dmille]

7. Sugar Ray Robinson
6. Kid Chocolate
5. Willie Pep
4. Joe Louis
3. Henry Armostrong
2. Ray Robinson
1. Muhamed Ali

Number two and number seven?

[kg0208]

So you make it sound so cavalier from your end.....

You read too much into simple statements. It is merely fact. I know your position on Jones and nothing I will say will change your opinion. And vice versa.

[Orishaman]

You read too much into simple statements. It is merely fact. I know your position on Jones and nothing I will say will change your opinion. And vice versa.

...hey WTF...what;s wrong...we are in agreement.....:yikes

[kg0208]

...hey WTF...what;s wrong...we are in agreement.....:yikes
Theres no problem....

[chimba]

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7 Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Ezzard Charles
13. Harry Greb
14. Sandy saddler
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
19. Stanley Ketchel
20 Pancho Villa

[Orishaman]

Theres no problem....

What problem.....I never said we had one, I was simply commenting on the fact

[kg0208]

What problem.....I never said we had one, I was simply commenting on the fact

Cool

[mbandit]

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7 Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Ezzard Charles
13. Harry Greb
14. Sandy saddler
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
19. Stanley Ketchel
20 Pancho Villa
W.T.F!What did Pancho Villa do to deserve that spot?He is to high!I think Chavez should take his place.

[chimba]

W.T.F!What did Pancho Villa do to deserve that spot?He is to high!I think Chavez should take his place.

This kid knocked out of Wilde I mean a beatdown so bad it retired Wilde who was considered the greatest Fly.. EVER

Defeated the great Abe Attell, Johnny Buff, got robbed against Genaro. Died at 24

[rr94]

Jones, Hopkins, and PBF are not top 20 fighters. Hopkins and Jones are top 40 or so...PBF isn't.

Robinson, Greb, and a few others are too low. Chavez could be higher or lower. Depends on your criteria I guess.

PBF lower than Jones?

strength of opposition, BOXING skill, defensive wisdom, record in title fights and opposition in those title fights, divison titles (esp. WBC titles), length of undefeated reign, and the Jones' DEVASTATING KO's to Johnson and Tarver. Floyd would never have been hit with that Tarver left, and would never have been defenseless on the ropes against Johnson's attack. Floyd over Jones in terms of greatness. Accomplishments and skill...and PPV buys if you give credit to generating income to the business.

I respect u a lot KG, just dont see Jones over PBF, or a decent argument for it.

Oh wait...he beat John Ruiz.

[Orishaman]

PBF lower than Jones?

strength of opposition, BOXING skill, defensive wisdom, record in title fights and opposition in those title fights, divison titles (esp. WBC titles), length of undefeated reign, and the Jones' DEVASTATING KO's to Johnson and Tarver. Floyd would never have been hit with that Tarver left, and would never have been defenseless on the ropes against Johnson's attack. Floyd over Jones in terms of greatness. Accomplishments and skill...and PPV buys if you give credit to generating income to the business.

I respect u a lot KG, just dont see Jones over PBF, or a decent argument for it.

Oh wait...he beat John Ruiz.

Neither of the 3 is top 100 ATG material on my book....

[rr94]

Neither of the 3 is top 100 ATG material on my book....

i agree, but in my top 200, Roy Jones isn't above PBF, RJJ has been surpassed by BHOP and PBF. I don't live in the 90's.

[jaycuban]

Number two and number seven?

No.7 is Sugar Ray Leanord

[Orishaman]

SRR
Armstrong
Ali
Louis
and after that ...it is preference ofone over the other.....

[mbandit]

This kid knocked out of Wilde I mean a beatdown so bad it retired Wilde who was considered the greatest Fly.. EVER

Defeated the great Abe Attell, Johnny Buff, got robbed against Genaro. Died at 24
And you think that is more than someone who was a 3 division champ,who defended his super feather weight belt 10 times and defended his light welterweight belt 15 times ,He unified the lightweight and light welterweight divisions.Was the p4p king for 4 years and defeated future h.o.f Hector Camacho,Edwin Rosario,Jose luis Ramirez, and very good fighters in Ruben Castillo,Roger Mayweather,Tony Lopez,Meldrick Taylor,Mario Martinez,Rocky Lodrige,and Juan La Porte.He has the record of most chamionship bouts than anybody ain history.And was 89 an 0 when he first lost.And has an impressive record of 107-6 and 86 k.o's.I mean besides those wins of Villa what else did he do?I already stated what Chavez did.

[Orishaman]

i agree, but in my top 200, Roy Jones isn't above PBF, RJJ has been surpassed by BHOP and PBF. I don't live in the 90's.

I have no problem with that statement....

[chimba]

And you think that is more than someone who was a 3 division champ,who defended his super feather weight belt 10 times and defended his light welterweight belt 15 times ,was the p4p king for 4 years and defeated future h.o.f Hector Camacho,Edwin Rosario,Jose luis Ramirez, and very good fighters in Ruben Castillo,Roger Mayweather,Tony Lopez,Meldrick Taylor,Mario Martinez,Rocky Lodrige,and Juan La Porte.He has the record of most chamionship bouts than anybody ain history.And was 89 an 0 when he first lost.And has an impressive record of 107-6 and 86 k.o's.I mean besides those wins of Villa what else did he do?I already stated what Chavez did.

He beat Jimmy Wilde whos higher than him THE MAN. ABe attell was once considered the greatest boxer p4p. For Flyweights to get recognized in these ATG lists, they must have been very special coz frankly they are often ignored

Why give S.Sanchez credit ? he beat Gomez and had a hard time with everyone else.. I see him in most top 50. He died young, he had unrealized potential. Same here, the kid died at 24.
I love JCC hes in my top 25:deal

[mbandit]

He beat Jimmy Wilde whos higher than him THE MAN. ABe attell was once considered the greatest boxer p4p. For Flyweights to get recognized in these ATG lists, they must have been very special coz frankly they are often ignored

Why give S.Sanchez credit ? he beat Gomez and had a hard time with everyone else.. I see him in most top 50. He died young, he had unrealized potential. Same here, the kid died at 24.
I love JCC hes in my top 25:deal
Good point on Sanchez.He did beat the best 122 pound fighter ever in Gomez.And one of the best super feather weights ever in Nelson.I guess him and Villa should be ranked more or less around the same.But Chavez I believe should be higher than both for the points stated.But that is just my opinion.I respect yours.

[chimba]

Good point on Sanchez.He did beat the best 122 pound fighter ever in Gomez.And one of the best super feather weights ever in Nelson.I guess him and Villa should be ranked more or less around the same.But Chavez I believe should be higher than both for the points stated.But that is just my opinion.I respect yours.

Bro Im flip Im biased towards Villa but with these list you get the top 5 the rest thru 25 could be mixed up.. I cant put PAC up there without getting flamed:yep

[chimba]

Nice to see Stanley Ketchel mentioned.:good

Any middleweight who mixes it up with a heavy is top 20 for me..:good

[kg0208]

PBF lower than Jones?

strength of opposition, BOXING skill, defensive wisdom, record in title fights and opposition in those title fights, divison titles (esp. WBC titles), length of undefeated reign, and the Jones' DEVASTATING KO's to Johnson and Tarver. Floyd would never have been hit with that Tarver left, and would never have been defenseless on the ropes against Johnson's attack. Floyd over Jones in terms of greatness. Accomplishments and skill...and PPV buys if you give credit to generating income to the business.

I respect u a lot KG, just dont see Jones over PBF, or a decent argument for it.

Oh wait...he beat John Ruiz.
PBF isn't 34.....he isn't past his prime. You can't say what PBF will be hit with. At the same age as PBF, Jones had hardly lost a round, much less a fight. PBF has 2 close decisions on his resume at this point.

PBF has less title defenses, fought less champions, less top 10 contenders (I believe, need to check on this particular fact). He has beaten one ATG to Jones 3 ATG. Jones unfied a division, PBF has never unified a division. As a matter of fact, Jones has as many title defenses at LHW as PBF has on all 5 weight classes he has been in.

As for skills....PBF has more technical ability but no where near the athletic ability. Jones was more dominant and rated higher for a longer period of time.

As a matter of fact, the ONLY thing PBF has over Jones besides technical skills which Jones made up for with his athletic ability is more titles in more weight classes. And Jones skipped a weight class....

If you want to count Jones past his prime losses against him, thats fine by me. As long as you do the same for others. Jones is at the end of his career, PBF isn't. PBF could easily be stopped in his mid 30's.

PBF's pay per view buys are high off of OTHERS. Jones never fought a DLH or a Gatti.

As for who they fought for their titles? Jones fought Hopkins, Toney, McCallum, Tarver, Griffin, and Ruiz to gain titles. PBF fought Hernandez, Castillo, Gatti, Baldomir, and DLH. They are very comparable and IMO, slightly in favor of Jones.

Nothing I say here besides the argument on skill level is subjective. The argument can be made....unless you add in subjective things like who you think is a bum regardless of his ranking or title status. I could do the same and ruin PBF's resume.

[TheGrimReaper]

roy jones jr is a legend show him respect

[kg0208]

:rofl :rofl

If you don't believe Jones is a legend, but PBF is, why don't you guys start a poll and see who wins. I already know the answer since it has been done before...2 times.

And if you don't rate Jones in the top 100 fighters ever, then we have no need for a discussion because we are miles apart.

[kg0208]

Most boxing historians disagree with YOUR opinion. Jones fought nothing but full time police officers and sanitation workers. He handpicked his opponents. What's his biggest win? Beating Hopkins when Hops was way too green. Beating a severely weight drained Toney? Beating the weakest of the heavyweight champs in Ruiz? WHy didn't he go after Holy or Lewis? Because he knew he'd get destroyed. Jones' resume is very weak IMO.

Actually most boxing historians agree with me. Bert Sugar is the only man I know who disagrees thats a "historian". Go get the lists you are referring to, and bring them back as proof.

The police officer was a garbage fight admittedly. The Sanitation worker became lineal champion and just fought for the LHW title AGAIN. Don't exaggerate. There are very few of those public servants on Jones resume and you seem to be repeating what you have heard. 19 of the 28 men Jones fought after he fought Hopkins were Top 10 ranked or champions.

You can give your opinion of the fighters he fought, but it won't change what I posted. Anyone can post that a fighter despite his ranking is a bum or whatever. I can say the same about many of PBF's fights.

[Boom_Boom]

well atleast he didnt put Felix Trinidad on that list

[McGrain]

20. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Harry Greb
18. Marvin Hagler
17. Bernard Hopkins
16. Jake LaMotta
15. Evander Holyfield
14. Roy Jones Jr.
13. Joe Fraizer
12. Kid Gavilan
11. Floyd Mayweather
10. Rocky Marciano
9. Roberto Duran
8. Jack Dempsey
7. Sugar Ray Leonard
6. Kid Chocolate
5. Willie Pep
4. Joe Louis
3. Henry Armostrong
2. Ray Robinson
1. Muhamed Ali

Is NO.8 the MW or the HW?

I like the names but it's a confusing list. I love B-Hop but what possible criteria is there for having him above Harry Greb? How you can have LaMotta above Greb is entirely beyond me...

Kid Chocolate is to high, and the fact that Langford isn't on the list sort of undermines the effort in my opinion. He is top 2 for me, top 5 for many, top 20 inarguably.

[TBooze]

11. Floyd Mayweather

A 29-6 fringe contender as your all time #11?;)

[Jbuz]

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Willie Pep
5. Roberto Duran
6. Muhammad Ali
7. Ezzard Charles
8. Archie Moore
9. Benny Leonard
10. Joe Gans
11. Ray Leonard
12. Sam Langford
13. Jimmy Wilde
14. Sandy Saddler
15. Eder Jofre
16. Bob Fitzsimmons
17. Stanley Ketchel
18. Pernell Whitaker
19. Carlos Monzon
20. Marvin Hagler

JUST missing out:
Joe Louis, Salvador Sanchez, Wilfredo Gomez, Alexis Arguello.

[SteveO]

This is HIS top 20. It's personal choice. If that's how he feels, his choices are not wrong.

A personal list could include anyone:

Here's a "top 20", but its not mine:

1. James "Buster" Douglas
2. Leon Spinks
3. Audley Harrison
4. Peter Manfredo
5. Cornelius "K9" Bundrage
6. Trevor Berbick
7. Reggie Strickland
8. Eric Crumble
9. Ron Cranmer
10. Ronald Hearns
11. Marvis Frazier
12. Henry Cooper
13. Vinny Paz
14. John Ruiz
15. Shannon Briggs
16. Steve Zouski
17. Jameel McCline
18. Jeremy Bates
19. Butterbean
20. Lou Savarese

Anyone can have a favorite top 20. This one isn't mine, but a personal top 20 is a personal top 20.

[Asterion]

In no order, this would be the members of my Top20:

Robinson
Armstrong
Moore
Charles
Ali
Louis
Leonard
Hagler
Whitaker
Chavez
Jones
Langford
Pep
Greb
Gans
Leonard
Griffith
Walker
Duran
Tunney

[acb]

Bro Im flip Im biased towards Villa but with these list you get the top 5 the rest thru 25 could be mixed up.. I cant put PAC up there without getting flamed:yep

Chimba your too much. I think your list goes something like this..

20. Pancho Villa*


*See Manny Pacquiao

[acb]

Horrible list. Roy Jones?! Mayweather needs to be much higher and where's Whitaker and Holyfield?

Mayweather much higher than number 11 all time? :lol: :lol: :lol: :nut :nut

[acb]

Most boxing historians disagree with YOUR opinion. Jones fought nothing but full time police officers and sanitation workers. He handpicked his opponents.

His wins over Toney and Bernard are bigger than ANY TWO WINS ON PBF´s RESUME! :deal :hi:

[China_hand_Joe]

20. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Harry Greb
18. Marvin Hagler
17. Bernard Hopkins
16. Jake LaMotta
15. Evander Holyfield
14. Roy Jones Jr.
13. Joe Fraizer
12. Kid Gavilan
11. Floyd Mayweather
10. Rocky Marciano
9. Roberto Duran
8. Jack Dempsey
7. Sugar Ray Leonard
6. Kid Chocolate
5. Willie Pep
4. Joe Louis
3. Henry Armostrong
2. Ray Robinson
1. Muhamed Ali

Jake LaMotta is pretty poor mate.

[acb]

This is HIS top 20. It's personal choice. If that's how he feels, his choices are not wrong.

A personal list could include anyone



But this becomes confusing. You have to specify exactly what your speaking about. Many people post their top 20 and its taken to mean their objective list of what they consider the top 20 fighters of all time.

If we go down the road of personal favorites, the lists are full of subjectivities and lose meaning, and personaly I wouldnt even read the them.

It also gives someone an out for a ridiculous list... making it easy for them to say its their personal list and lies outside of objectivity.

[acb]

Beating a severely weight drained Toney? Beating the weakest of the heavyweight champs in Ruiz? WHy didn't he go after Holy or Lewis? Because he knew he'd get destroyed. Jones' resume is very weak IMO.

This is also stupid and this game can be played both ways. Lets try it.

Mayweathers best wins:

Corrales- weight drained
Judah- overhyped bum
Baldomir- paper champ (who beat the overhyped bum and the C level fighter)
Gatti- C level fighter (Floyds words)
De la Hoya- old has been

And about your reference about Roy not fighting Holyfield or Lewis after coming up in weight. Did PBF not just do the same thing? He fought Oscar at 154lbs and left the division to go back to 147lbs (because its his real weight genious).

[kg0208]

This is also stupid and this game can be played both ways. Lets try it.

Mayweathers best wins:

Corrales- weight drained
Judah- overhyped bum
Baldomir- paper champ (who beat the overhyped bum and the C level fighter)
Gatti- C level fighter (Floyds words)
De la Hoya- old has been

And about your reference about Roy not fighting Holyfield or Lewis after coming up in weight. Did PBF not just do the same thing? He fought Oscar at 154lbs and left the division to go back to 147lbs (because its his real weight genious).
Somehow I figured someone would point that out.....I can pick apart anyones resume if I am allowed to dismiss their ranking and championships. The whole point of having the rankings is to get some idea of how good the fighters are (though they are not perfect). We can dismiss them all we like,. but then so can everyone critiquing everyone, then no one has fought anyone unless they were elite level. Below elite level, we can make excuses left and right about how this fighter isn't as good as perceived.

BTW, As has been said a dozen times here when this question comes up, Lewis admitted to turning down a substantial offer from Jones after the Ruiz fight because he wasn't sure if he was going to retire. So Jones wanted to fight him....

Oddly enough, when Hopkins was talking about fight Maskaev, and Toney fought Ruiz, no one asked why they weren't fighting Wladimir Klitshco. Why Jones is held to such a lofty standard is beyond me.

[PATSYS]

20. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Harry Greb
18. Marvin Hagler
17. Bernard Hopkins
16. Jake LaMotta
15. Evander Holyfield
14. Roy Jones Jr.
13. Joe Fraizer
12. Kid Gavilan
11. Floyd Mayweather
10. Rocky Marciano
9. Roberto Duran
8. Jack Dempsey
7. Sugar Ray Leonard
6. Kid Chocolate
5. Willie Pep
4. Joe Louis
3. Henry Armostrong
2. Ray Robinson
1. Muhamed Ali

I would not include PBF, Marciano, Frazier and Hopkins in top 20, although PBF and Hopkins both have good chances of landing within it when all is said and done.

[acb]

Somehow I figured someone would point that out.....I can pick apart anyones resume if I am allowed to dismiss their ranking and championships. The whole point of having the rankings is to get some idea of how good the fighters are (though they are not perfect). We can dismiss them all we like,. but then so can everyone critiquing everyone, then no one has fought anyone unless they were elite level. Below elite level, we can make excuses left and right about how this fighter isn't as good as perceived.

BTW, As has been said a dozen times here when this question comes up, Lewis admitted to turning down a substantial offer from Jones after the Ruiz fight because he wasn't sure if he was going to retire. So Jones wanted to fight him....

Oddly enough, when Hopkins was talking about fight Maskaev, and Toney fought Ruiz, no one asked why they weren't fighting Wladimir Klitshco. Why Jones is held to such a lofty standard is beyond me.

Agreed.

[Brickhaus]

How ridiculous is it that someone wouldn't have anyone who fought in the past 10 years in their top 100?

[Brickhaus]

This is also stupid and this game can be played both ways. Lets try it.

Mayweathers best wins:

Corrales- weight drained
Judah- overhyped bum
Baldomir- paper champ (who beat the overhyped bum and the C level fighter)
Gatti- C level fighter (Floyds words)
De la Hoya- old has been


Omitting Floyd's best win (Castillo 2) and about 5 other wins that were better than Baldomir or Gatti just for fun?

[chimba]

Chimba your too much. I think your list goes something like this..

20. Pancho Villa*


*See Manny Pacquiao

Nah a bit different style:yep ...wait a few more years lets see what PAC can accomplish still:deal

[acb]

Omitting Floyd's best win (Castillo 2) and about 5 other wins that were better than Baldomir or Gatti just for fun?

You obviously dont get the point of my post.

[brooklyn1550]

How can people not put Roy Jones Jr in a top 100 list...it's arguable that he is in the top 20-25.

[Brickhaus]

You obviously dont get the point of my post.

I did, but it was after I posted a response and was too lazy to delete.

[chimba]

My list would be something like this, have a problem with a pick, including Whitaker at #7, let me know.

1. Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Sam Langford
6. Ezzard Charles
7. Pernell Whitaker
8. Ray Leonard
9. Roberto Duran
10. Benny Leonard
11. Joe Gans
12. Willie Pep
13. Barney Ross
14. Archie Moore
15. Joe Louis
16. Marvin Hagler
17. Carlos Monzon
18. Tony Canzoneri
19. Sandy Saddler
20. Gene Tunney

Damn youre serious about leaving Wilde out.

[Ted Stickles]

20. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Harry Greb
18. Marvin Hagler
17. Bernard Hopkins
16. Jake LaMotta
15. Evander Holyfield
14. Roy Jones Jr.
13. Joe Fraizer
12. Kid Gavilan

11. Floyd Mayweather <-------Has not accomplished enough yet to be here( In my opinion)

10. Rocky Marciano
9. Roberto Duran
8. Jack Dempsey
7. Sugar Ray Leonard
6. Kid Chocolate
5. Willie Pep
4. Joe Louis
3. Henry Armostrong
2. Ray Robinson
1. Muhamed Ali


Floyd needs more defining fights then maybe.....

[Pimp C]

Neither of the 3 is top 100 ATG material on my book....
Neither is top 100 but Tito is???:-( :patsch

[Raden]

Marciano should be #1... where is Foreman?

[4Rounder]

My Top 20 attempt.

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Joe Louis
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Ray Leonard
6. Roberto Duran
7. Willie Pep
8. Harry Greb
9. Benny Leonard
10. Jack Dempsey
11. Rocky Marciano
12. Ezzard Charles
13. Carlos Monzon
14. Kid Chocolate
15. Julio Cesar Chavez
16. Kid Gavilan
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Pernell Whitaker
19. George Foreman
20. Alexis Arguello

The first 5 or 6 are pretty much given.

[chimba]

Marciano should be #1... where is Foreman?

Cmon man youre joking right...Sweet Pea hes joking:rofl :rofl

[Orishaman]

Neither is top 100 but Tito is???:-( :patsch

I will tell you that it might be easier to accomodate Tito on a Top 100 ATG than your boy.....

[kg0208]

I will tell you that it might be easier to accomodate Tito on a Top 100 ATG than your boy.....

Not really.Your arguments against Jones could easily be used against Trinidad. Once you have declared open season on calling Top 10 contenders and former/future champions bums, anyone's resume can be dismantled.

Last time you posted a diatribe on Jones resume, you dismissed 10 or more champions or top 10 contenders and "chumps". That is not a very strong argument. If you can't fight champions or the Top 10 for good competition, who's left?