Name 3 fighters who you feel CAN beat Joe Calzaghe.

[RAMPAGE0017]

And nothing cute like Mike Tyson or Vitali Klitschko.... make it atleast someone that has fought at 160, 168, 175. I notice many Calzagheans hardly, if ever pick anyone as the favorite over him, which is perfectly fine.. if you can't see many people beating a certain fighter then you can't, but if you CAN.. name 3 or less fighters who you feel would beat Calzaghe. :good

[Dr Gonzo]

modern or all time?

[Fab2333]

Jones Jr in his prime
Bernard Hopkins in his prime
James Toney in his prime
IMO

Even though 2 of the 3 I would go out on alimb and pick against Joe C. But thats just my opinion, pretty sure Amsterdam and China Hand are coming lol:yep

[RAMPAGE0017]

modern or all time?


Either/or. It's a general H2H analysis.

[Brooklyn Boxer]

Mikkel Kessler, Chad Dawson, and Kelly Pavlik

[Amsterdam]

Roy Jones at 168.

Roy Jones, Michael Moorer, Bob Foster, Michael Spinks at 175.

Those are the only two classes he'd be effective at, those are the only that come to mind who should be a definitive favourite or almost certainty to beat him. I think nothing of old timers H2H just for the record.

[DanePugilist]

I only think that Kessler can do it - so three is not possible. RJJ once could, but the question was can.

[sues2nd]

Active...

Dawson, Hopkins &...........?

All time. Hopkins, RJJ, Spinks, Moorer, Holyfield, Hagler....there are quite a few. But losing to ANY of those guys is no shame.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Roy Jones at 168.

Roy Jones, Michael Moorer, Bob Foster, Michael Spinks at 175.

Those are the only two classes he'd be effective at, those are the only that come to mind who should be a definitive favourite or almost certainty to beat him. I think nothing of old timers H2H just for the record.


Which one's are a certainty, and which ones are iffy out of those you've chosen, in your opinion?

[Fedor Em]

Now? At 168 I only give Kess a chance and not a very good one. Hopkins will give Joe more problems than Kessler at Lt. Heavy. I think Chad Dawson would have the best chance and probally beat him at 175.

[Amsterdam]

Active...

Dawson, Hopkins &...........?

All time. Hopkins, RJJ, Spinks, Moorer, Holyfield, Hagler....there are quite a few. But losing to ANY of those guys is no shame.

Hopkins now? Come on man, you're smarter than that. Dawson is to open to getting bullied and Calzaghe will control him that way, that's an easy fight to predict.

Hopkins doesn't even do it prime. And Hagler? A man greatly troubled by speed and crafty inside fighters?

Out of current fighters, Mikkel Kessler does indeed have the best chance, but he will not succeed, he may even get Lacyed.

[Amsterdam]

Which one's are a certainty, and which ones are iffy out of those you've chosen, in your opinion?

Jones at 168 - Certainty.

Jones at 175 - Clear, but not a certainty, Calzaghe could win here depending on how the fight goes.

Moorer, Spinks, Foster - Absolute certainty, all win by KO at that.

[Amsterdam]

Now? At 168 I only give Kess a chance and not a very good one. Hopkins will give Joe more problems than Kessler at Lt. Heavy. I think Chad Dawson would have the best chance and probally beat him at 175.

Hopkins edges by Winky in his current state and somehow he's going to deal with Calzaghe's speed, workrate and endless stamina? He'd be dead tired by round 5 and cannot fire off his famous right hand like he used to, not even as good as he could vs. Taylor 2 years ago and Taylor outworked him at times, who is half the fighter of Calzaghe.

You guys need to let oldman Hopkins go, he is 42 and is NOTHING H2H currently, Glen Johnson wins at the current place and time in Hopkins' career.

[chung]

winky?

[Amsterdam]

winky?

This type of stuff just drives me insane.:nut

Never see the Soliman fight?

[sues2nd]

Hopkins now? Come on man, you're smarter than that. Dawson is to open to getting bullied and Calzaghe will control him that way, that's an easy fight to predict.

Hopkins doesn't even do it prime. And Hagler? A man greatly troubled by speed and crafty inside fighters?

Out of current fighters, Mikkel Kessler does indeed have the best chance, but he will not succeed, he may even get Lacyed.

Well, you said can. Dawson HAS the skills to do it. I think we can agree with that. I would still FAVOR Joe......by a WIDE margin.

As for the Hopkins thing. We have gone back and forth on this for awhile. I think if Joe wins vs Kessler (WHICH HE WILL!!!!), we are going to get to see this fight.

Hopkins also CAN do it. He is MUCH better defensively then ANYONE Calzaghe has ever faced....I know we agree with that. He also wont be bullied by Joe.

Now I could see Calzaghe pulling it off...outworking Hopkins, but Hopkins DEFINATELY has the skill set and style to do it.

In this one I would favor Bernard.

[Fab2333]

What about a james toney at 168?

[Amsterdam]

Hopkins/Calzaghe peak to peak is a competitive bout, with Calzaghe coming out victorious of course.

Calzaghe now has one of the worst styles for the aging and more conservative Hopkins, all out workrate and speed. The in and out movement would have given a prime Hopkins a hell of a lot of trouble just to start with, now that combined with his workrate and endless amounts of stamina, along with awkward shots that Hopkins is going to be open to is the nastiest fight for him outside of the longer Chad Dawson. The guy even had some minor issue's with DLH's movement back when he was in GOOD status, this is just absurd to pick Hopkins, ABSURD.

Only a Hopkins hardcore fanboy would not agree that.:yep

But that's okay... if the fight comes off, which it's a total waste of time by the way given Hopkins' state, Calzaghe will wipe the floor with the old man and get no credit as it will show what little Hopkins has left, which is what I am telling you now.:yep

[Amsterdam]

What about a james toney at 168?

Calzaghe just has an awful style for him and Toney being stationary and philly shell plays right into what Calzaghe essentially does to every opponent.

However, picking a peak Toney is okay, picking the CURRENT Hopkins almost deserves being slapped silly.:yep

[Fab2333]

Hopkins/Calzaghe peak to peak is a competitive bout, with Calzaghe coming out victorious of course.

Calzaghe now has one of the worst styles for the aging and more conservative Hopkins, all out workrate and speed. The in and out movement would have given a prime Hopkins a hell of a lot of trouble just to start with, now that combined with his workrate and endless amounts of stamina, along with awkward shots that Hopkins is going to be open to is the nastiest fight for him outside of the longer Chad Dawson. The guy even had some minor issue's with DLH's movement back when he was in GOOD status, this is just absurd to pick Hopkins, ABSURD.


But that's okay... if the fight comes off, which it's a total waste of time by the way given Hopkins' state, Calzaghe will wipe the floor with the old man and get no credit as it will show what little Hopkins has left, which is what I am telling you now.:yep

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[Amsterdam]

You all have to remember the easy equation when picking fights anyway -

Supernatural fighters > Normal fighters.

It's time to grow up and it's time to come to the realisation that not everything is how it's told by the exploitative promotional outfits and the ignorance of most historian/certified analyst cracks that couldn't even beat ESB poster and new boxing fan 'Sweet Pea' in a debate.

[cuchulain]

Roy Jones, .... and ??? and !?!


Roy Jones and.... ?

Roy Jones....


I give up.

Tell us.

[Fedor Em]

Hopkins edges by Winky in his current state and somehow he's going to deal with Calzaghe's speed, workrate and endless stamina? He'd be dead tired by round 5 and cannot fire off his famous right hand like he used to, not even as good as he could vs. Taylor 2 years ago and Taylor outworked him at times, who is half the fighter of Calzaghe.

You guys need to let oldman Hopkins go, he is 42 and is NOTHING H2H currently, Glen Johnson wins at the current place and time in Hopkins' career.

Hops threw 200 more punches against Winky than he did against Taylor. :good A 40 year old man 6'1" draining to 160 lbs. takes its toll, even for a gym rat like Hopkins. He is a better at Lt. Heavy at this point in his carrer. Hops is stronger, has more stamina, and a better workrate. Who actually looks good fighting Winky?

Glen beats Hopkins? Please, he gets butchered again. You must have missed the first fight. It made Calzaghe/Lacy look competative.

[Amsterdam]

Hops threw 200 more punches against Winky than he did against Taylor. :good A 40 year old man 6'1" draining to 160 lbs. takes its toll, even for a gym rat like Hopkins. He is a better at Lt. Heavy at this point in his carrer. Hops is stronger, has more stamina, and a better workrate. Who actually looks good fighting Winky?

Glen beats Hopkins? Please, he gets butchered again. You must have missed the first fight. It made Calzaghe/Lacy look competative.

I didn't miss the first fight, but I know the state of both guys currently and if you think it's anything similiar to the first fight, try again.

[Fedor Em]

I didn't miss the first fight, but I know the state of both guys currently and if you think it's anything similiar to the first fight, try again.

Not as brutal, Glen goes the distance, but he still loses 9 rounds in the process.

[41fever]

Mayweather, Taylor, Trinidadr u serious?

[sues2nd]

Hopkins/Calzaghe peak to peak is a competitive bout, with Calzaghe coming out victorious of course.

Calzaghe now has one of the worst styles for the aging and more conservative Hopkins, all out workrate and speed. The in and out movement would have given a prime Hopkins a hell of a lot of trouble just to start with, now that combined with his workrate and endless amounts of stamina, along with awkward shots that Hopkins is going to be open to is the nastiest fight for him outside of the longer Chad Dawson. The guy even had some minor issue's with DLH's movement back when he was in GOOD status, this is just absurd to pick Hopkins, ABSURD.

Only a Hopkins hardcore fanboy would not agree that.:yep

But that's okay... if the fight comes off, which it's a total waste of time by the way given Hopkins' state, Calzaghe will wipe the floor with the old man and get no credit as it will show what little Hopkins has left, which is what I am telling you now.:yep

We shall see........

I see it differently of course....being the hardcore fanboy that I am :yep ...

Seriously tho. Hopkins will not be "open" to any shots, awkward or not. He is just too good defensively. Other than vs Jones (which was way before Bernard matured defensively) when has he ever been "open" to anything?

On top of that, Joe's power isnt going to scare Hopkins, meaning he will make it dirty....and who is more suited for that type of fight? If anything, I see Joe getting bullied badly in this fight....to the point that ESB gets flooded with hundreds of "Hopkins is a dirty American fighter and should be disqualified" posts (kidding....kidding.....kinda :lol: ).

And as for the in and out movement....I dont think Oscar bothered Bernard with that AT ALL. In fact, he was thoroughly outboxing De La Hoya throughout that fight....from the outside and inside. Hopkins timing is insane....the more Calzaghe tried that, he'd get countered and have to eat that lead right.

The only problem I see is Joe's insane workrate. When he has to take it to another level, he can and does....better than most fighters out there. But because of the Taylor fights, where Bernard's whole gameplan was on timing his shots and allowing Taylor to wear himself out, Hopkins workrate and stamina (which is still amazing if you ask me), are insanely underrated. If you watch his fights since then, he was the far buisier and fresher fighter throughout.

Again tho, its all speculation until it happens...which I believe BOTH of us believe it will. And just for the record, you know where I stand on this one....if Joe takes it....I will give him ALL the credit in the world.
































But he wont.....:yep

[Jose FM]

Mikkel Kessler, Chad Dawson, and Kelly Pavlik
:good

[Amsterdam]

:good

You think Pavlik wins? He's two steps below Dawson and Kessler, which both of those you can make a case for a victory.

I suppose everyone forgets the close fight against Jermain Taylor, where he almost was removed in round 2, given that Taylor is maybe half the fighter that Calzaghe is.

[BoppaZoo]

This is hard question.

4 years ago
Jones
Hopkins
Maybe Winky

But now.
Hopkins maybe and Kessler might.
But Calzaghe is very tough and well schooled.

[Jose FM]

Is it that hard to spell out "are you"? And yes I'm dead serious.

Mayweather - too much boxing skills

Trinidad - too much power

Taylor - stylistic nightmare for Calzaghe
K we officially have another idiot on ESB.

[Jose FM]

You think Pavlik wins? He's two steps below Dawson and Kessler, which both of those you can make a case for a victory.

I suppose everyone forgets the close fight against Jermain Taylor, where he almost was removed in round 2, given that Taylor is maybe half the fighter that Calzaghe is.
Pavlik can outwork and hurt anyone in the MW and SMW division. As for Taylor being half the fighter Joe is, he might be, but Pavlik maade short work of him anyways so I dont see your point.

[RAMPAGE0017]

but Pavlik maade short work of him anyways so I dont see your point.



:admin

[Amsterdam]

Pavlik can outwork and hurt anyone in the MW and SMW division. As for Taylor being half the fighter Joe is, he might be, but Pavlik maade short work of him anyways so I dont see your point.

Point was that Taylor was competitive and nearly took him out at that, took Pavlik some rounds of breaking him down to do the job, he would never have the oppurtunity with Calzaghe.

Pavlik will have no success at SMW, these guys are superior to the MW crop.

[Caliboxing]

Roy Jones, in shape James Toney, Kelly Pavlik.

[Jose FM]

Point was that Taylor was competitive and nearly took him out at that, took Pavlik some rounds of breaking him down to do the job, he would never have the oppurtunity with Calzaghe.

Pavlik will have no success at SMW, these guys are superior to the MW crop.
Oh please, thats cause Pavlik took em out.

[RAMPAGE0017]

these guys are superior to the MW crop.


I don't know that I quite agree with you on that one. I think the SMW division is full of talent, and under-appreciated, but it's nowhere near what you make it out to be. Andrade is a perfect recent example.. almost got beaten by a generously experienced Mack, who if not for his own stupid mistakes, probably could've won the fight, and even then he was giving Andrade a run for his money, and even hurting him in the process.

[Jose FM]

aight going to sleep, peace out Zombies...

[BoppaZoo]

The Super Middleweight division is far more advanced in skill and overall general boxing ability than the 160 division.

The 160 division is just about the worst we have seen it for some time.

I mean look at the 168 division and you have names like
Joe Calzaghe
Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine
Lucian Bute
Carl Froch
Jeff Lacy
Denis Inkin
Alejandro Berrio
Vitali Tyspko
Sakio Bika
Sam Soliman
Allan Green
Giovanni Lorenzo

And Middleweight has well
Jermain Taylor
Kelly Pavlik
Arthur Abraham
Cory Spinks
Kassim Ouma
Roman Karmazin
Felix Sturm
John Duddy
Edison Miranda

Does it even compare.

[cuchulain]

Is it that hard to spell out "are you"? And yes I'm dead serious.

Mayweather - too much boxing skills

Trinidad - too much power

Taylor - stylistic nightmare for Calzaghe


Depending on the order, Calzaghe could probably dispose of all three, on the same night.

[Caliboxing]

You think Pavlik wins? He's two steps below Dawson and Kessler, which both of those you can make a case for a victory.

I suppose everyone forgets the close fight against Jermain Taylor, where he almost was removed in round 2, given that Taylor is maybe half the fighter that Calzaghe is.


Although Pavlik has a few things to improve on, he's not two steps below Dawson or Kessler. He'll give either one of them a hell of a fight. Dawson hasn't been tested yet, Adamek was not as good as Taylor. Kessler hasn't impressed me either, his true test is gonna be Calzaghe. Taylor is not an easy fighter to beat, he wasn't just gonna give up his belt to Pavlik and he defended it like a true champion. Just because Pavlik beat Taylor doesn't mean that Calzaghe beats Taylor.

[Caliboxing]

The Super Middleweight division is far more advanced in skill and overall general boxing ability than the 160 division.

The 160 division is just about the worst we have seen it for some time.

I mean look at the 168 division and you have names like
Joe Calzaghe
Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine
Lucian Bute
Carl Froch
Jeff Lacy
Denis Inkin
Alejandro Berrio
Vitali Tyspko
Sakio Bika
Sam Soliman
Allan Green
Giovanni Lorenzo

And Middleweight has well
Jermain Taylor
Kelly Pavlik
Arthur Abraham
Cory Spinks
Kassim Ouma
Roman Karmazin
Felix Sturm
John Duddy
Edison Miranda

Does it even compare.



From what I can see, they are about equal. There are a lot of unproven fighters at 168.

[Stickandmove]

How about a prime Dariusz Michalczewski at 175? Mike McCallum at 168? Virgil Hill at 175?

[Stickandmove]

How about Rocky Marciano at 175? :-) Not as ridiculous as it sounds - I checked boxrec and Marciano fought as low as 178. Calzaghe would have no chance at 175 against the Rock though would he?

Any Calzaghe fans want to dispute otherwise and give us a laugh?

[Dorfmeister]

Bernard Hopkins at 168, 170 or 175, Mikkel Kessler at 168, Jean Pascal at 168 COULD...

[scorpy]

Lots of guys could but would they ? We would need these guys to fight JC to know for sure and with JC's career being almost done, it's impossible to make all of those fights.

[Dorfmeister]

Lots of guys could but would they ? We would need these guys to fight JC to know for sure and with JC's career being almost done, it's impossible to make all of those fights.

Most wouldn't go to the British islands in the first place and with JC's air-travel phobia, it's impossible to make any of those fights.

[klion22]

I know Hopkins can beat him because he specifically called him out. And you know what that means. The Executioner already has a game plan that is going to work to a tee.

[Brickhaus]

I'd give much better than even odds for present-day Dawson, prime Jones, prime Toney, prime Benn, prime McClellan, the list goes on. I'd give better than a 20% chance (i.e. CAN win) for current Kessler, Woods, Pavlik, Solimon (a stylistic nightmare for Calzaghe) and maybe Bute.

[Charles187]

Is it that hard to spell out "are you"? And yes I'm dead serious.

Mayweather - too much boxing skills

Trinidad - too much power

Taylor - stylistic nightmare for Calzaghe

Pure curiosity - what weight would he fight mayweather at?

[sonny73]

The guy with the most tools for the job is fighting him in 3 weeks.Apart from him only Hopkins could beat him.Pavlik,Taylor and Dawson just havn't got the experience to beat Calzaghe right now I feel,maybe in the future.Forget about Winky he isn't anywhere near big enough that would be a mismatch

[somerset]

I'd be interested in a fight with Bute. I was really impressed with how he finished against Bika and, both being southpaws, if Joe slows down, a younger man may match him.

[rydersonthestorm]

Lol to the guy that said pascal, how would he beat calzaghe, miracle isn't a legit way of winning.

[Lampley]

Sticking to fighters who have had at least some overlap with Calzaghe, I'd say the only guy who has an easy time with him is prime Jones. He is the worst possible matchup for Joe, because he is the same style of fighter but much better at it. Jones would take 9 out of 10, at least.

Beyond that, we're talking about close margins the rest of the way. I'd favor prime Hopkins over Calzaghe, based on Hopkins' intelligence, counterpunching, and defense. Remember, Hopkins also took four clean rounds from Jones, the superior version of Calzaghe. He was not overwhelmed by Roy's handspeed or angles, just gunshy because of the same. Against Calzaghe he'd have more offense, and especially as he expanded his skillset.

I'd favor Calzaghe over Toney. Bad matchup for James. And McClellan's defense was terrible; he'd have a puncher's chance but probably would get outboxed decisively.

Today, the only person I'd favor over Calzaghe is Chad Dawson, and I'd make it a 65-35 fight in Chad's favor at 175. He poses some of the same issues for Joe -- who is older now -- as Jones would, and he's also bigger. Chad has the speed and reflexes to match Joe, and he has superior power and reach at 175. Plus, he throws straighter shots and, punch for punch, has a right hand that he'd use to bank rounds.

None of this is to disrespect Calzaghe, who I firmly believe is the real deal and should be ranked No. 1 all-time at 168 based on his longevity.

[MrStayman]

At middle and super middle:

Pavlik - 20% chance right now. He's only 25 though - give him 10 years to get the experience that Calzaghe has.
Kessler - 40% chance
Taylor - 10% chance
Froch - 5% chance
Everyone else - < 2% chance

[PrideOfWales]

Mikkel Kessler
Chad Dawson
HimselfBut RJJ many years ago would have had his number.

[Dekkers]

From what I can see, they are about equal. There are a lot of unproven fighters at 168.
They're not unproven, there's a big difference between a lack of exposure and being unproven. On another note he also left out Braehmer and Pascal who deserve a mention at the weight, Mirandas' also moved up to super middle. I also wonder if Spinks and Ouma will stay at middle or go back down to light middle.

[Axe]

All time I would favour:

175--Roy Jones, Dariusz Michalczewski, Michael Moorer, Bob Foster, Michael Spinks, James Toney, Virgil Hill...

168--Roy Jones, James Toney

160--Roy Jones, Mike McCallum, Marvin Hagler, Bernard Hopkins, Carlos Monzon...

Today I would favour:

175--Chad Dawson

168--Mikkel Kessler

160--nobody from the current crop

[jaycuban]

Winky Wright, Jermain Taylor, Bernard Hopkins

[Axe]

Michael Nunn at 160 would be a 50/50 fight as well, imo. Nunn gets vastly underrated.

[Lampley]

168--Mikkel Kessler




So you think Kessler is going to win? I'm still shading Calzaghe, provided he doesn't get old overnight (a definite possibility).

[Dekkers]

All time I would favour:

175--Roy Jones, Dariusz Michalczewski, Michael Moorer, Bob Foster, Michael Spinks, James Toney, Virgil Hill...

168--Roy Jones, James Toney

160--Roy Jones, Mike McCallum

Today I would favour:

175--Chad Dawson

168--Mikkel Kessler

160--nobody from the current crop

I seriously wonder about James Toney, none of the rest, just Toney. He got a fair few generous decisons in his day, and probably have had trouble with just Joes' workrate, speed and stamina.

[brooklyn1550]

Right now? From 160-175, the only guy I would give a very good chance to do it is Chad Dawson.

All time? A lot of 175 pounders and Roy Jones/Bernard Hopkins/Marvin Hagler

[Peter S. A.]

Kessler will win.

[MSTR]

Currently: Chad Dawson. Perhaps Kessler (not IMO though). All time at 168: Roy Jones Jr... 160 Pound fighters moving up is very debatable. There are a few I think could come close perhaps.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Between 160 and 175 in other words? There are plenty more than 3. Here's a few: Jones Jr., Hopkins, Hagler, Charles, Foster, Spinks, Langford, Tunney, Moore, Moorer.


You lost me as soon as you said Langford..

[MSTR]

Sticking to fighters who have had at least some overlap with Calzaghe, I'd say the only guy who has an easy time with him is prime Jones. He is the worst possible matchup for Joe, because he is the same style of fighter but much better at it. Jones would take 9 out of 10, at least.

Beyond that, we're talking about close margins the rest of the way. I'd favor prime Hopkins over Calzaghe, based on Hopkins' intelligence, counterpunching, and defense. Remember, Hopkins also took four clean rounds from Jones, the superior version of Calzaghe. He was not overwhelmed by Roy's handspeed or angles, just gunshy because of the same. Against Calzaghe he'd have more offense, and especially as he expanded his skillset.

I'd favor Calzaghe over Toney. Bad matchup for James. And McClellan's defense was terrible; he'd have a puncher's chance but probably would get outboxed decisively.

Today, the only person I'd favor over Calzaghe is Chad Dawson, and I'd make it a 65-35 fight in Chad's favor at 175. He poses some of the same issues for Joe -- who is older now -- as Jones would, and he's also bigger. Chad has the speed and reflexes to match Joe, and he has superior power and reach at 175. Plus, he throws straighter shots and, punch for punch, has a right hand that he'd use to bank rounds.

None of this is to disrespect Calzaghe, who I firmly believe is the real deal and should be ranked No. 1 all-time at 168 based on his longevity.
Great Post mate. My thought pretty much exactly, although Hopkins vs Prime Joe is pretty much a pick em IMO. Maybe Hopkins being just a little too crafty.

[China_hand_Joe]

You lost me as soon as you said Langford..

It is a bit embarrassing to be honest.

[Max Molyneux]

Is it that hard to spell out "are you"? And yes I'm dead serious.

Mayweather - too much boxing skills

Trinidad - too much power

Taylor - stylistic nightmare for Calzaghe

I love how you have exposed American logic.:smoke

Out of what I've seen only Jones but was his talent down to steroids and he was too reflex reliant?

[Max Molyneux]

Mentioning Winky Wright Is a joke!

He was a slug at 170 against Hopkins and drew with Taylor!

[Odo]

Mikkel Kessler
Denis Inkin
Juergen Braehmer

Kessler is a top fighter who is good in almost all departments.
Styles make fights.Inkin's style is death wrong for Joe.
Braehmer? Well,I like him.

To tell you the truth though I would not bet a lot of money on aforementioned fighters against Joe.
However,each of the three abovementioned boxers has a decent chance to beat the present undisputed nr.1 at supermiddle IMO.

[Alo2006]

Jones Jr in his prime
Bernard Hopkins in his prime
James Toney in his prime
IMO

Even though 2 of the 3 I would go out on alimb and pick against Joe C. But thats just my opinion, pretty sure Amsterdam and China Hand are coming lol:yep

I agree, I also think B-Hop today can beat him :yep

[sues2nd]

I love how you have exposed American logic.:smoke

Out of what I've seen only Jones but was his talent down to steroids and he was too reflex reliant?

:roll:

:-(

:verysad

:nono

Because all americans feel this way, right....? :patsch

[ThePlugInBabies]

PAC by KO

[THN]

Kessler- Kessler and Kessler

[dumdane]

Current fighters from LHW and down, who'd have an even chance (or better) at beating Calzaghe (at either SMW or LHW).

Only Kessler and Dawson.

[reed_man02]

Hopkins, Pavlik, Dawson.

[Boro chris]

Is it that hard to spell out "are you"? And yes I'm dead serious.

Mayweather - too much boxing skills

Trinidad - too much power

Taylor - stylistic nightmare for Calzaghe

Mayweather-too small-gets stopped easily in the mid rounds.

Taylor-Would be competitive but I favour Joe on a clear ud. He's a level above imo.

Trinidad-Too old, to small and even at his peak I'd favour Joe stylwise.

Kessler has the best chance imo as he has that right hand and seems to be at his absolute peak.
Dawson looks dangerous as well.

[Axe]

So you think Kessler is going to win? I'm still shading Calzaghe, provided he doesn't get old overnight (a definite possibility).

I would give him a slight edge on neutral turf, to be honest. Calzaghe's age and hands are too much of a factor to ignore at this stage. In the UK though it's hard to pick a favourite.

[Axe]

So you think Kessler is going to win? I'm still shading Calzaghe, provided he doesn't get old overnight (a definite possibility).

On neutral turf I would make Mikkel a slight favourite, as Joe's hands and age are factors that have become too significant to ignore.

However, as the fight's in the UK, Calzaghe ought to be the favourite with the bookies, imo. :good