Archie Moore vs James Toney at Heavyweight

[Bummy Davis]

Archie Moore was 6" 185-190 lbs, James Toney is 5'9 208-238 (not always best conditioned. His best weight was for Evander under 210. I still think he could have been better trained.

I think Archie is craftier,better boxer, Hits Harder and had way more experience and better condition

Who was better

Who wins and why

[PetethePrince]

Interesting fight. A mirror fight in a sense. I imagine most will be picking Moore.

[jaffay]

Intriguing fight, can't decide so I predict draw ;)

[ChrisPontius]

Archie Moore by decision, and i don't think it's all that hard to pick. Moore's workrate, skill level and experience would see him winning more rounds than Toney. I was never really that impressed with Toney at heavyweight; his record is 1-1-1-1 against ranked heavyweights, the sole win coming over an old Holyfield.

At cruiserweight he had a life and death struggle with Jirov. I think Moore can do a little better than that. There is no doubt about Toney's toughness and he does possess excellent skill, but i think many tend to overlook that while he dodges many punches, he also takes a lot of punches. And his low workrate makes it difficult for him to win rounds decisively, which is why his record is filled with close fights.

[mcvey]

Archie Moore was 6" 185-190 lbs, James Toney is 5'9 208-238 (not always best conditioned. His best weight was for Evander under 210. I still think he could have been better trained.

I think Archie is craftier,better boxer, Hits Harder and had way more experience and better condition

Who was better

Who wins and why

Archie more proven, better work rate and hitter.Toney was a throw back old school fighter knows the game inside out, but is a lard arse ,no discipline,Moore killed himself to make weight,a pros pro.Archie by dec.

[SuzieQ49]

Archie's record at heavyweight is right around 70-3-1. His record against men above 200lb is 22-1 with 19 knockouts.

[mcvey]

Archie's record at heavyweight is right around 70-3-1. His record against men above 200lb is 22-1 with 19 knockouts.

He is in with a chance then? :lol:

[TheGreatA]

I'd say that Moore plain outworks Toney. Ideally I'd put the 190 lb Toney who fought Jirov to fight the 185-190 lb Moore who regularly fought at heavyweight.

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[BUDW]

Moore would get Toney out Toney come to fight, Toney runs Moore by UD

[bodhi]

Archie Moore by decision, and i don't think it's all that hard to pick. Moore's workrate, skill level and experience would see him winning more rounds than Toney. I was never really that impressed with Toney at heavyweight; his record is 1-1-1-1 against ranked heavyweights, the sole win coming over an old Holyfield.

At cruiserweight he had a life and death struggle with Jirov. I think Moore can do a little better than that. There is no doubt about Toney's toughness and he does possess excellent skill, but i think many tend to overlook that while he dodges many punches, he also takes a lot of punches. And his low workrate makes it difficult for him to win rounds decisively, which is why his record is filled with close fights.

Exactly my thoughts. :good

[he grant]

Absolutely Archie ... Toney was tough as nails, great on defense with a great chin .. he was more durable than Moore but Archie was fast, a much harder hitter, threw more punches , was better conditioned and could take Toney's punches .. Archiw would outfight him and win a pretty clean decision in my book.

[tommygun711]

I have Moore by knockout
I simply just favor moore haha

[burt bienstock]

A NO brainer,,Archie Moore would have licked James Toney at their bests 7 days a week...James Toney was as a middleweight ,a smart crafty boxer...As a light heavyweight, I can NAME many of Moore's tough opponents that would surely beat Toney at equal weights...Just a few Lloyd Marshall,Jimmy Bivins,Holman Williams, Curtis Sheppard,Joey Maxim, Harold Johnson,Nino Valdez, Bob Satterfield,and others in that rich laden era...Old Archie,was as crafty as Toney and hit TWICE as hard as Toney... Archie by unaminous dec. or late stoppage, over Toney ,175-200 pounds...

[frankenfrank]

I'd say that Moore plain outworks Toney. Ideally I'd put the 190 lb Toney who fought Jirov to fight the 185-190 lb Moore who regularly fought at heavyweight.
vassily jirov at that weight also outworked toney. but who won the fight ?
although the scorecards were ridiculously in toney's favor than they should have been. a close fight and i think jirov could have gotten a knockdown when the ref disturbed him when he wobbled toney because the ref thought it was a slip but still , i do not think anyone will say jirov won it decisively .
but if jirov would not have been disturbed in his moment of success , who knows what would have happened .

[TheGreatA]

vassily jirov at that weight also outworked toney. but who won the fight ?
although the scorecards were ridiculously in toney's favor than they should have been. a close fight and i think jirov could have gotten a knockdown when the ref disturbed him when he wobbled toney because the ref thought it was a slip but still , i do not think anyone will say jirov won it decisively .
but if jirov would not have been disturbed in his moment of success , who knows what would have happened .

Then again Vassiliy Jirov uses his face as defense. Moore brings the workrate, but he also brings the skills and experience of a man who faced some of the greatest fighters of all time in over 100 professional fights.

As you said, Jirov vs Toney was fairly close although a clear win for Toney, but Jirov was a much more favourable stylistical match-up for Toney who likes his opponents standing right in front of him.

[FROST]

I'd say that Moore plain outworks Toney. Ideally I'd put the 190 lb Toney who fought Jirov to fight the 185-190 lb Moore who regularly fought at heavyweight.

My thoughts here. And it would be a good fight.

[FROST]

Archie Moore was 6" 185-190 lbs, James Toney is 5'9 208-238 (not always best conditioned. His best weight was for Evander under 210. I still think he could have been better trained.

I think Archie is craftier,better boxer, Hits Harder and had way more experience and better condition

Who was better

Who wins and why

I don't think that Archie is a craftier, better boxer than Toney (a peak Toney). Of course he hits harder than James, but that doesn't count much since Toney has a granite chin and seems to be bulletproof against bodypunching too.

As for the experience factor, well Archie had 200+ pro fights and James has 80+ pro fights, but I think at 80+ pro fights Toney has seen it all, and so had Archie after 80 pro fights. I don't think you can gain much more experience after 80 pro fights, you're a veteran.
Toney was in tip top condition when he faced Jirov, the weight at which he'd ideally face Archie Moore, and the best shape he's been in after he moved up from SMW.

As I said, I see Archie outworking Toney over 15 rounds in a close one here.

[Bummy Davis]

Archie was better in every way

[he grant]

I really don't see Archie losing to a guy who likely would not be able to hurt him .. the more I think this one over the more one sided it becomes ..