Bernard Hopkins vs Marvin Hagler - One Last Time

[Executioner]

Prime for prime, at their very best.

who wins and by what? describe how you think the fight plays out.

I think Hopkins wins, by a pretty clear decision. Hopkins has got a few inches in height over Hagler, I'd say his hands are quicker. I imagine that it'd be a tactical fight, which would favor Hopkins IMO. Hopkins would make Hagler lead, neutralize his right jab and counter him coming in with sharp, quick right hands. I think he'd also frustrate Hagler with his movement, defense and counterpunching skills and definitely wouldn't allow Hagler to impose his strength on him in close quarters.

Hopkins is too cagey for Hagler IMO.

[McGrain]

I too see Hopkins winning a tight, tight decision.

I just think that Hopkins has the combo of generalship, smarts and swagger to make Hagler a little reticent.

Be a tight decision though - arguments would abound.

[sarah ross]

Sweet Lord, I like BHOP but he is a lot better to read about than actually watch fight. Marvin Hagler is in a different league. Hopkins is very slick and a
master of defense but he has or never will be in the ring with anything close
to the killing machine that was Marvin Hagler. Hopkins has always fought at
an ultra measured pace, Hagler would make him fight every minute of every
round. Hopkins is great at intimidating his opponents but this would be a
waste against Hagler, Marvin was fearless. I see Hagler stopping Hopkins in
about the 10th round. Hopkins is a very good champion but Hagler would walk
through him in a one sided destruction. Hagler is no Echols, Eastman, Allen,
Tarver, Trinidad or even a blown up Oscar.

[McGrain]

. Marvin Hagler is in a different league. Hopkins is very slick and a
master of defense but he has or never will be in the ring with anything close
to the killing machine that was Marvin Hagler.

It should also be said that Hopkins will be the most dangerous fighter that Hagler has ever been in with.



Hopkins has always fought at
an ultra measured pace, Hagler would make him fight every minute of every
round.

I doubt there have been very many fighters who have entered the ring hoping to win, who have not set out to make Bernard fight at an uncomfortable pace. Few have succeeded.


Hopkins is great at intimidating his opponents but this would be a
waste against Hagler, Marvin was fearless.

He was fearless - but I think that he could be messed with . There are those who would dispute it but I feel that he was not entirely right mentally for the Duran fight, and he was not entirely right mentally for the Leonard fight. Hopkins is THE modern master at this kind of thing. It is my beleif that his jail time aids him in this matter. He is a master of the stare down, in fact his whole attitude to eye contact is interesting. Also - he is a wonderful ring general with a very difficult style. All this may add up to an uncertainty that Hagler could ill afford.



Hagler would walk
through him in a one sided destruction..

I would suggest that only the very best heavyweights could manage this little trick, and that the middleweight capable of such a thing never has been, or will be born.

[Executioner]

Hopkins has always fought at
an ultra measured pace

I'm sure you haven't seen Hopkins in his prime, around 1997

[McGrain]

I'm sure you haven't seen Hopkins in his prime, around 1997


You really think that was his prime? I think Hopkins is a complicated fighter when it comes to primes. I also think he's a victim of his times - here's a guy who would be much better over 15 rounds. And probably better again over 20!

[brooklyn1550]

Hopkins is a very good champion but Hagler would walk
through him in a one sided destruction

Very rarely do champions walk through other great champions, and this isn't one of those cases. Hagler and Hopkins would be a hell of a fight and a close fight as well.

[McGrain]

Neither guy is destroying the other guy. I have it a toss up

Spot on and very wise.

[rekcutnevets]

I agree with Assasin"s saying this is a toss up>

I like Hopkins" chances here> He has a significant height and reach advantage< and he knows how to use it> Hagler would have to make this an inside fight< and he would be competative there> I believe that Hopkins would still be able to create distance when he needed< and outpoint Hagler

[robert ungurean]

I like Hagler.
He takes more chances and would force the action.
Hagler UD

[Bad_Intentions]

hagler.

[redrooster]

Hagler would be way too dangerous for Hopkins. Even if it came down to a boxing match which I think Hopkins would try to do, Hagler's style would be too sophisticated for him and Marvin's movement would throw him off making it impossible for X to connect, catching mostly air, gloves or shoulders.

Even in the remote possibility he was able to connect with regularity, Hopkins problem is he didn't have above average power while most of Hagler's opposition did.

On the + side, Hopkins was a pretty well rounded fighter. I would classify him as soild but unspectacular.

Another problem would be Hagler's right hook. A few of those to Hopkins' skull and that's going to take the fight out of him just as it did with Hamsho in the rematch. So there's no way Bernard's going to last very long, let alone the full route.

The only thing that might help Hopkins is the fact that Hagler doesn't get motivated for fighters who don't pose a threat to him so he might go easy on X and allow him to last the distance. Hagler might not consider Hopkins enough of a threat because of losing to one handed Roy.

You all remember the Roy Jones fight with Roy winning handily.
Surely Hagler could do no less. Between these two, victory can only go to Hagler. No way can I envision a scarario where Hopkins comes out winner. It defies all logic.

[jyuza]

Hagler at his best was the most complete fighter I have seen.

Hopkins was a great fighter but his low work rate would cost him the fight against a non-stop agressive Marvin Hagler.

Hagler UD Hopkins

[Raggamuffin]

Hagler by UD
Hopkins is a great fighter but i don't think he will remembered as a ATG, especially in MW. Hagler pours on the pressure, sinks in destruct and destroy mode and that is to much. Hopkins would battle his hart out though

[Holmes' Jab]

I'll say Hagler, I think he'd edge out a close split decision due to his offensive output being higher during the latter rounds. This one really could really go either way, though tbh.

[jyuza]

I'll say Hagler, I think he'd edge out a close split decision due to his offensive output being higher during the latter rounds. This one really could really go either way, though tbh.

It would be THE super fight at 160.

[jyuza]

Don´t lnow what the people are talking about Hopkin´s low workt rate and slow pace. They should just watch his bout with Glen Johnson and i´m sure we never will hear comments like that.

Excuse me but Hagler is no Johnson. And I followed Hopkins career and all of his fights so let me ask you, did you see an active Hopkins in the ring in front of De La Hoya, Taylor, Joppy ? The kind of fighter who has good boxing abilities.

I said low work rate YES and this is the reason he losts his undisputed championship against a good fighter (not great like Hagler).

My point is Hopkins is very cautious against true opposition (cf. DLH, Tito, Taylor fights) and there is no doubt that Hagler is in another league than these guys plus he is a true middleweight and a southpaw.

[Senya13]

Prime Hopkins easily matches any tempo Hagler offers to him, and he's more accurate and clever both as a counter-puncher and at in-fighting. Hopkins takes this, something like 10-5, and that's a favorable score for Hagler.

[Senya13]

did you see an active Hopkins in the ring in front of De La Hoya, Taylor, Joppy ? The kind of fighter who has good boxing abilities.
We all saw much younger Hagler being hyper-active vs Leonard and Duran. The way he paced himself in those fights was pathetic.

[jyuza]

We all saw much younger Hagler being hyper-active vs Leonard and Duran. The way he paced himself in those fights was pathetic.

Pathetic you say ? But that is why he won those fights.

[JohnThomas1]

I too see Hopkins winning a tight, tight decision.

I just think that Hopkins has the combo of generalship, smarts and swagger to make Hagler a little reticent.

Be a tight decision though - arguments would abound.

Totally agree.

[JohnThomas1]

Hagler by UD
Hopkins is a great fighter but i don't think he will remembered as a ATG, especially in MW.

Erm, he's already cemented in.

[Holmes' Jab]

Agree with that last point, JohnThomas1. Hopkins doesn't get quite enough respect at MW of my liking: I have him at #5, maybe you could argue for even higher.

That said I'd still pick Hagler over him head-to-head. It's sure almost a 50/50 fight though.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Hagler. He's just the better man.

[sweet_scientist]

It will be close, but when push comes to shove, Hagler will be the one more willing to put his foot on the accelerator and walk through anything he needs to to get the win. I can't see Hopkins stealing championship rounds off Hagler, it just wouldn't happen.

[Duodenum]

An awful lot of boxers who have been acclaimed as ATGs were beneficiaries of the 12 round limit, and would be mere footnotes in the 15 round era. B-Hop is different.

It's disastrous that Hopkins never had a chance to prove his greatness and consistency over the true championship length of title fights, and ruinous for boxing in general. X's current kayo total would be considerably higher than 32, if he had three more rounds to work with in his matches. A real throwback in many respects, it's criminal what boxing has done to itself in depriving B-Hop of the legacy he truly deserves.

As I've stated repeatedly, boxing's decline as a mainstream attraction can be directly traced to the abolition of the 15 round distance. Yet, one of the greedy cretins responsible for destroying boxing's popular appeal by shortening the limit, Sulamain (which is Mexican for shit) was just inducted into a HOF of a sport he's helped eradicate from the headlines, and into a niche interest, along with midget bowling and female sumo wrestling. Nihilistic bastard!

Bernard Hopkins is a man among pansies, but walking turds like Sulamain, Gilberto Mendoza (which is Spanish for cocksucker), Bob Lee (which is Swahili for snot), Dong King (which is Zulu for stale donkey spunk), and Bob Arum (which is olde English for rancid elk afterbirth) have ruined the general public's interest in boxing, by shortening the maximum distance enough so that lazy, undisciplined, steroid inflated wimps can succeed in what used to be a sport for tough, durable, aerobically well-conditioned and dedicated competitors like B-Hop. Now, we have a former undisputed HW champion who wants to compete against girls!

The way boxing is going now, the use of vaseline between rounds will be replaced by the reapplication of makeup in two years, and the main accessory of choice for the boxing trainer in administering massage will be a dildo.

Perhaps one day, the aforementioned names and their ilk will stop blowing the flaccid pricks, and eating out the stale twats of the policy directors running the AMA, and we'll all be able to follow contemporary boxing again. In all liklihood though, boxing will further devolve into a limit of four two minute rounds, with no striking allowed above the sternum, and the mandated helmets with face masks which helped turn a once macho hockey game into a girls sport. (Think about this: In the early 1970's, Derek Sanderson of the Boston Bruins was the highest paid player in all of team sports. In ten years time, the NHL MVP will be a player named Wanda, assuming the NHL still exists.)

This shouldn't be surprising. NASA has gone from seven Mercury astronauts who had the right stuff, to diaper wearing girls. (NASA needs more dykes, and so does the military. We need a culture where men are men, and so are women, not one where girls are girls and so are men!)

Bernard Hopkins is a man dammit, and so is Hagler. Boxing could use more of those right about now.

I can't even look at Playboy magazine anymore, since Christie Hefner took over. Sandra Burnsoft on the cover, and trannies as the centerfolds? Photoshopped images? Muhammad Ali versus Laila? Bullshit! I'll retreat back into the safety and promise of nostalgia.


Sorry I got carried away folks, but this pisses me off!

[Smith]

An awful lot of boxers who have been acclaimed as ATGs were beneficiaries of the 12 round limit, and would be mere footnotes in the 15 round era. B-Hop is different.

It's disastrous that Hopkins never had a chance to prove his greatness and consistency over the true championship length of title fights, and ruinous for boxing in general. X's current kayo total would be considerably higher than 32, if he had three more rounds to work with in his matches. A real throwback in many respects, it's criminal what boxing has done to itself in depriving B-Hop of the legacy he truly deserves.

As I've stated repeatedly, boxing's decline as a mainstream attraction can be directly traced to the abolition of the 15 round distance. Yet, one of the greedy cretins responsible for destroying boxing's popular appeal by shortening the limit, Sulamain (which is Mexican for shit) was just inducted into a HOF of a sport he's helped eradicate from the headlines, and into a niche interest, along with midget bowling and female sumo wrestling. Nihilistic bastard!

Bernard Hopkins is a man among pansies, but walking turds like Sulamain, Gilberto Mendoza (which is Spanish for cocksucker), Bob Lee (which is Swahili for snot), Dong King (which is Zulu for stale donkey spunk), and Bob Arum (which is olde English for rancid elk afterbirth) have ruined the general public's interest in boxing, by shortening the maximum distance enough so that lazy, undisciplined, steroid inflated wimps can succeed in what used to be a sport for tough, durable, aerobically well-conditioned and dedicated competitors like B-Hop. Now, we have a former undisputed HW champion who wants to compete against girls!

The way boxing is going now, the use of vaseline between rounds will be replaced by the reapplication of makeup in two years, and the main accessory of choice for the boxing trainer in administering massage will be a dildo.

Perhaps one day, the aforementioned names and their ilk will stop blowing the flaccid pricks, and eating out the stale twats of the policy directors running the AMA, and we'll all be able to follow contemporary boxing again. In all liklihood though, boxing will further devolve into a limit of four two minute rounds, with no striking allowed above the sternum, and the mandated helmets with face masks which helped turn a once macho hockey game into a girls sport. (Think about this: In the early 1970's, Derek Sanderson of the Boston Bruins was the highest paid player in all of team sports. In ten years time, the NHL MVP will be a player named Wanda, assuming the NHL still exists.)

This shouldn't be surprising. NASA has gone from seven Mercury astronauts who had the right stuff, to diaper wearing girls. (NASA needs more dykes, and so does the military. We need a culture where men are men, and so are women, not one where girls are girls and so are men!)

Bernard Hopkins is a man dammit, and so is Hagler. Boxing could use more of those right about now.

I can't even look at Playboy magazine anymore, since Christie Hefner took over. Sandra Burnsoft on the cover, and trannies as the centerfolds? Photoshopped images? Muhammad Ali versus Laila? Bullshit! I'll retreat back into the safety and promise of nostalgia.


Sorry I got carried away folks, but this pisses me off!

:good Good post, i agree...

[Stonehands89]

Hagler and Hopkins have very similar psychologies. Both men have real beefs that they artificially expanded in their heads to fuel anger -which is their natural disposition. Both men suffered and became stronger because of it. Hagler reminds of me of a cannibal who ate the flesh of the vanquished while they twitched at his feet. Hopkins's flesh is too tough to consu e.

Forget heaviest opponents, these two in the same ring would see the best conditioned athletes, ever, competing. If it weren't 15 rounds it would be a tragedy and a rip off.

And it would be even money on the books. As for me, I'd take Hagler. In Hoplkins he would meet a man who is as well-trained, as determined, and who carries the same ghetto rage into the ring. Skill-for-skill, I'd call them even. Strategically, Hopkins has the edge. Power goes to Hagler, physical strength goes to Hagler, durability and chin is edged by Hagler. Experience... and here is the clincher for me... goes to Hagler. Hagler saw more stylistic challenges and has the more formidable resume. Thus, I think that Hagler would pose more unanswered questions to Hopkins than vice versa.

Hagler UD.

[McGrain]

Yeah, Hopkins had a few more inches of height, but so did Hearns. Look where it got him. Hagler beats him badly over 12/15 and wins a wide decision.


That's a crazy comparison Prime Fr...Super Greg Page. Could Hopkins and Hearns be more different?

[TBooze]

Styles make fights...

Hopkins of 2001 beats any version of Hagler

But Hopkins of any other time loses to Hagler of 77 to 83 vintage.

[Irish Steel]

Whoever wins, I think, wins by split decision.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Has to be Marvin. He's the only one of the two that didn't lose to the best two natural middleweights he fought.

[TBooze]

Has to be Marvin. He's the only one of the two that didn't lose to the best two natural middleweights he fought.

Disagree; he did lose to The Worm, who was good as any other 'natural middleweight' (other than Briscoe) that Hagler fought IMO.

[Sweet Science]

An awful lot of boxers who have been acclaimed as ATGs were beneficiaries of the 12 round limit, and would be mere footnotes in the 15 round era. B-Hop is different.

It's disastrous that Hopkins never had a chance to prove his greatness and consistency over the true championship length of title fights, and ruinous for boxing in general. X's current kayo total would be considerably higher than 32, if he had three more rounds to work with in his matches. A real throwback in many respects, it's criminal what boxing has done to itself in depriving B-Hop of the legacy he truly deserves.

As I've stated repeatedly, boxing's decline as a mainstream attraction can be directly traced to the abolition of the 15 round distance. Yet, one of the greedy cretins responsible for destroying boxing's popular appeal by shortening the limit, Sulamain (which is Mexican for shit) was just inducted into a HOF of a sport he's helped eradicate from the headlines, and into a niche interest, along with midget bowling and female sumo wrestling. Nihilistic bastard!

Bernard Hopkins is a man among pansies, but walking turds like Sulamain, Gilberto Mendoza (which is Spanish for cocksucker), Bob Lee (which is Swahili for snot), Dong King (which is Zulu for stale donkey spunk), and Bob Arum (which is olde English for rancid elk afterbirth) have ruined the general public's interest in boxing, by shortening the maximum distance enough so that lazy, undisciplined, steroid inflated wimps can succeed in what used to be a sport for tough, durable, aerobically well-conditioned and dedicated competitors like B-Hop. Now, we have a former undisputed HW champion who wants to compete against girls!

The way boxing is going now, the use of vaseline between rounds will be replaced by the reapplication of makeup in two years, and the main accessory of choice for the boxing trainer in administering massage will be a dildo.

Perhaps one day, the aforementioned names and their ilk will stop blowing the flaccid pricks, and eating out the stale twats of the policy directors running the AMA, and we'll all be able to follow contemporary boxing again. In all liklihood though, boxing will further devolve into a limit of four two minute rounds, with no striking allowed above the sternum, and the mandated helmets with face masks which helped turn a once macho hockey game into a girls sport. (Think about this: In the early 1970's, Derek Sanderson of the Boston Bruins was the highest paid player in all of team sports. In ten years time, the NHL MVP will be a player named Wanda, assuming the NHL still exists.)

This shouldn't be surprising. NASA has gone from seven Mercury astronauts who had the right stuff, to diaper wearing girls. (NASA needs more dykes, and so does the military. We need a culture where men are men, and so are women, not one where girls are girls and so are men!)

Bernard Hopkins is a man dammit, and so is Hagler. Boxing could use more of those right about now.

I can't even look at Playboy magazine anymore, since Christie Hefner took over. Sandra Burnsoft on the cover, and trannies as the centerfolds? Photoshopped images? Muhammad Ali versus Laila? Bullshit! I'll retreat back into the safety and promise of nostalgia.


Sorry I got carried away folks, but this pisses me off!

Man, you certainly know how to get things off your chest!!!

[Duodenum]

Man, you certainly know how to get things off your chest!!!Yeah, I guess I read too much of "Flash" Gordon's Newsletter in earlier days. But hey, it's a lot cheaper and more anonymous than seeing a shrink. (And a lot safer than going on news programs to openly wish presidential candidates dead, like Ann Coulter's been doing lately.)

[Sweet Science]

Yeah, I guess I read too much of "Flash" Gordon's Newsletter in earlier days. But hey, it's a lot cheaper and more anonymous than seeing a shrink.

Hey Duodenum, Respect to you brother, theres nothing wrong with being passionate about your views.

Malcolm Flash Gordon now ain't he a blast from the past. Whatever happened to that righteous hippy looking dude?

Anyone know?

[Duodenum]

Hey Duodenum, Respect to you brotherAnd respect to you too, theres nothing wrong with being passionate about your views.At least not until I manage to offend EVERYONE on the boards!Malcolm Flash Gordon now ain't he a blast from the past. Whatever happened to that righteous hippy looking dude? Anyone know?I have been picking up rumblings that Flash may be resuming his coverage of boxing happenings. (He was probably beaten up by grandchildren of the thugs who worked over Ray Arcel over 50 years ago. Maybe he's finally over that episode.)

[JohnThomas1]

Has to be Marvin. He's the only one of the two that didn't lose to the best two natural middleweights he fought.

Well since you're looking for it

no, he lost to the best natural welterweight he ever fought!

:D

[jyuza]

Well since you're looking for it

no, he lost to the best natural welterweight he ever fought!

:D

:D

[My dinner with Conteh]

Ha ha, walked into that one. :D

[Duodenum]

Well since you're looking for it

no, he lost to the best natural welterweight he ever fought!

:DTrue, my friend JT, and he in turn lost to the best LW he ever fought (who would have also beaten the best MW he ever fought before Marv would have lost to the best LW he'd ever fought, if that match had been scheduled for 12, instead of 15 rounds.

[My dinner with Conteh]

True, my friend JT, and he in turn lost to the best LW he ever fought (who would have also beaten the best MW he ever fought before Marv would have lost to the best LW he'd ever fought, if that match had been scheduled for 12, instead of 15 rounds.



I think it's fair to say that Marv would have finished stronger if the fight had been scheduled for 12.

[JohnThomas1]

I think it's fair to say that Marv would have finished stronger if the fight had been scheduled for 12.

No doubt whatsoever.

[JohnThomas1]

True, my friend JT, and he in turn lost to the best LW he ever fought (who would have also beaten the best MW he ever fought before Marv would have lost to the best LW he'd ever fought, if that match had been scheduled for 12, instead of 15 rounds.

Leonard also garnered revenge twice. Marvin would have definitely finished harder earlier if the Duran fight was 12, but just say he didn't then Duran winning would have been one of the greatest ripoffs in history.

[Duodenum]

Leonard also garnered revenge twice. Marvin would have definitely finished harder earlier if the Duran fight was 12, but just say he didn't then Duran winning would have been one of the greatest ripoffs in history.Perhaps, but Marv did seem mired in his habitual debilitating 15 round pace, despite the fact that only Duran and Antuofermo had lasted through the end of the 12th round against Marv. I was dismayed that Hagler didn't set a more ardous gauntlet of punishment for Ray to negotiate.

[JohnThomas1]

Perhaps, but Marv did seem mired in his habitual debilitating 15 round pace, despite the fact that only Duran and Antuofermo had lasted through the end of the 12th round against Marv. I was dismayed that Hagler didn't set a more ardous gauntlet of punishment for Ray to negotiate.

Fair call mate. Hagler's tame opening is close to the biggest tactical error i have seen. I've posted paragraphs on the how's and why's before, absolutely mystifying. Setting an average pace and the closeness of the cards vs Duran should have been warning enough.

[Duodenum]

Fair call mate. Hagler's tame opening is close to the biggest tactical error i have seen. I've posted paragraphs on the how's and why's before, absolutely mystifying. Setting an average pace and the closeness of the cards vs Duran should have been warning enough.Unfortunately, most championship caliber boxers don't have the opportunity or ability to become physics professors. (Otherwise, what are the odds that they would have become boxing champions in the first place?)

Yes, what happened against Duran and Antuofermo ought to have been a wakeup call for Hagler against SRL, but I'm sure Marv didn't expect much resistance from a version of SRL who had been dropped by fringe WW contender Kevin Howard. (Also, when Hagler held up his fists at the pre match press conference, and said, "These are my judges. One is 'K,' and the other is 'O','' he sent a disdainful message to the three individuals scoring the match. When Marv made that public declaration, he had to stop Ray before the final bell to win.)

We all know how Ray Mercer said after his decision loss to Larry Holmes that, "I guess I'd better learn how to box!" Why on Earth didn't Mercer stumble to that realization after the way Damiani and Morrison had been previously dominating him on the scorecards?

SRL/Hagler, and Holmes/Mercer were sensational triumphs for the victors, but utterly dismal performances by the vanquished, who had no excuse for not knowing better than to prepare and perform as poorly as they did.

[Nemesis]

Hey John, why does your post say "last edited by Marciano Frazier"

Now I am not inferring anything on your part, just looked a little strange

edit

[JohnThomas1]

Hey John, why does your post say "last edited by Marciano Frazier"

Now I am not inferring anything on your part, just looked a little strange

No idea, but just tonight i see i think it's Holmes_Jab has last edited by Suzie_Q on his posts.

[JohnThomas1]

Hey John, why does your post say "last edited by Marciano Frazier"

Now I am not inferring anything on your part, just looked a little strange

Here tis

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[Nemesis]

Here tis

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

One of the glitches in the recent crash :D

[JohnThomas1]

One of the glitches in the recent crash :D

:lol:

[Thread Stealer]

An awful lot of boxers who have been acclaimed as ATGs were beneficiaries of the 12 round limit, and would be mere footnotes in the 15 round era. B-Hop is different.

It's disastrous that Hopkins never had a chance to prove his greatness and consistency over the true championship length of title fights, and ruinous for boxing in general. X's current kayo total would be considerably higher than 32, if he had three more rounds to work with in his matches. A real throwback in many respects, it's criminal what boxing has done to itself in depriving B-Hop of the legacy he truly deserves.

As I've stated repeatedly, boxing's decline as a mainstream attraction can be directly traced to the abolition of the 15 round distance. Yet, one of the greedy cretins responsible for destroying boxing's popular appeal by shortening the limit, Sulamain (which is Mexican for shit) was just inducted into a HOF of a sport he's helped eradicate from the headlines, and into a niche interest, along with midget bowling and female sumo wrestling. Nihilistic bastard!

Bernard Hopkins is a man among pansies, but walking turds like Sulamain, Gilberto Mendoza (which is Spanish for cocksucker), Bob Lee (which is Swahili for snot), Dong King (which is Zulu for stale donkey spunk), and Bob Arum (which is olde English for rancid elk afterbirth) have ruined the general public's interest in boxing, by shortening the maximum distance enough so that lazy, undisciplined, steroid inflated wimps can succeed in what used to be a sport for tough, durable, aerobically well-conditioned and dedicated competitors like B-Hop. Now, we have a former undisputed HW champion who wants to compete against girls!

The way boxing is going now, the use of vaseline between rounds will be replaced by the reapplication of makeup in two years, and the main accessory of choice for the boxing trainer in administering massage will be a dildo.

Perhaps one day, the aforementioned names and their ilk will stop blowing the flaccid pricks, and eating out the stale twats of the policy directors running the AMA, and we'll all be able to follow contemporary boxing again. In all liklihood though, boxing will further devolve into a limit of four two minute rounds, with no striking allowed above the sternum, and the mandated helmets with face masks which helped turn a once macho hockey game into a girls sport. (Think about this: In the early 1970's, Derek Sanderson of the Boston Bruins was the highest paid player in all of team sports. In ten years time, the NHL MVP will be a player named Wanda, assuming the NHL still exists.)

This shouldn't be surprising. NASA has gone from seven Mercury astronauts who had the right stuff, to diaper wearing girls. (NASA needs more dykes, and so does the military. We need a culture where men are men, and so are women, not one where girls are girls and so are men!)

Bernard Hopkins is a man dammit, and so is Hagler. Boxing could use more of those right about now.

I can't even look at Playboy magazine anymore, since Christie Hefner took over. Sandra Burnsoft on the cover, and trannies as the centerfolds? Photoshopped images? Muhammad Ali versus Laila? Bullshit! I'll retreat back into the safety and promise of nostalgia.


Sorry I got carried away folks, but this pisses me off!

:lol:

This is one of the greatest posts in ESB history.

[redrooster]

Hey John, why does your post say "last edited by Marciano Frazier"

Now I am not inferring anything on your part, just looked a little strange

edit

I think we have a case of double identity here.

[Shake]

I can't see Hopkins winning against Hearns.

[Duodenum]

:lol:

This is one of the greatest posts in ESB history.Please do NOT encourage the alienated, angry, and disenfranchised boxing fan! Otherwise, this might only be the beginning of a torrential outpouring of venomous outbursts, and unrestrained expressions of disgust and contempt! (You folks on the Classic Forum wouldn't want THAT, would you?)

[redrooster]

There are some serious glitches in this system. The edit times show days edited BEFORE the post was even written. In some cases the edit times are months and even a year earlier than the actual post that was submitted. It's happened to me.

There is a definite glitch in the system. It has Tommy Hearns editing my post.

[lillarry]

Marvin in a SD

[My dinner with Conteh]

There is a definite glitch in the system. It has Tommy Hearns editing my post.



I'm just waiting for a classic glitch that says a Rooster post was edited by Pepping It. :D

[MrPR]

Hopkins wins by a competetive,hard fought split-decision win!!

[laxpdx]

I say Hopkins fares reasonably well early on with movement, but eventually Hagler solves his style. Marvin's relentless pressure, coupled with slipping and countering, eventually grinds X down, mid-late rounds.

[Azumah1]

Anybody thinks Bhop as much as i respect him beats Marv at middle needs their head examined! People come with overly simplistic shit when it comes to marv. Can we just realise we are talking about the most consunmate and complete boxer of his generations. Near top marks in all areas of the sport.
No he wouldnt kill and steam roller Bhop like some wild beast as people like to paint him. He would out box Bhop ultimately. Marv would start othodox for this one and look to go jab for jab with Bhop. Marvs jab was imperious , better than Bhops.... close opening rounds but marv ahead and crucially been able to do some good slowing down work by attacking bhop to the body. Then i think, funnily enough even thong bhop is a master with southpaws, Marv finishes this off by going southpaw in the middle rounds once he has slowed Bhop down. A tired Bhop just not as effective making the adjustments to the southpaw that he is so good at. so marv takes it away from him down the stretch using that imperious southpaw jab!

[Bill Butcher]

Hagler by close UD

[Flea Man]

I'm a massive Hopkins fan....I really respect his technique and ability to stick to a gameplan.

I think this fight would go similar to the Duran fight, but not because of Hopkins' style (that's obvious) but because Hagler would box a wee bit more cautiously and look to get the rounds in. Hagler always seemed to destroy people that were up for destroying him, and was more patient with boxers and movers.

Over 15, Hagler wins 10-5. Over 12, 7-5, Hopkins is strong and there would be rounds where he would be getting the better of Marv and his craftiness would frustrate Hagler. But there would also be rounds where Hop would be getting smacked all over his body, although I'd expect both fighters to escape relatively unscathed in an absolutely fantastic purists fight.

[itrymariti]

It should also be said that Hopkins will be the most dangerous fighter that Hagler has ever been in with.

You think Hopkins is more dangerous than Hearns, Leonard, Duran and Mugabi?!

[Flea Man]

I think he means in terms of styles.

[the cobra]

I like that this says "One Last Time" and it's from 2 years ago.

Hopkins UD is my pick.

[JohnThomas1]

You think Hopkins is more dangerous than Hearns, Leonard, Duran and Mugabi?!


He means Hopkins will be the most difficult opponent Hagler has ever faced. He is absolutely right.

[mcvey]

Prime for prime, at their very best.

who wins and by what? describe how you think the fight plays out.

I think Hopkins wins, by a pretty clear decision. Hopkins has got a few inches in height over Hagler, I'd say his hands are quicker. I imagine that it'd be a tactical fight, which would favor Hopkins IMO. Hopkins would make Hagler lead, neutralize his right jab and counter him coming in with sharp, quick right hands. I think he'd also frustrate Hagler with his movement, defense and counterpunching skills and definitely wouldn't allow Hagler to impose his strength on him in close quarters.

Hopkins is too cagey for Hagler IMO.

I like Hagler by dec ,but Bernard would be no bargain for any 160 pounder.

[Mr Butt]

hagler wins ud ,hopkins a great boxer but hagler great fighter as well as great boxer

[natonic]

Hagler. No Stoppage either way. Decision. I just don't think Hopkins would be busy enough and Hagler would bank rounds.

[beecho1988]

Hagler UD

[PowerPuncher]

Hopkins outsmarts and outboxes him, and no this isnt the last time it'll be done

[DINAMITA]

Prime for prime, at their very best.

who wins and by what? describe how you think the fight plays out.

I think Hopkins wins, by a pretty clear decision. Hopkins has got a few inches in height over Hagler, I'd say his hands are quicker. I imagine that it'd be a tactical fight, which would favor Hopkins IMO. Hopkins would make Hagler lead, neutralize his right jab and counter him coming in with sharp, quick right hands. I think he'd also frustrate Hagler with his movement, defense and counterpunching skills and definitely wouldn't allow Hagler to impose his strength on him in close quarters.

Hopkins is too cagey for Hagler IMO.

As close a fight as it gets. Hopkins would sneak a contentious decision, but Hagler would hurt Hop more than Hop would hurt Hagler en route.

Two absolutely amazing fighters IMO.

[Robbi]

Hopkins has the perfect style to beat Hagler, IMO. Not so much his physical attributes, but more to do with style and ability. He'd not beat Hagler easily it must be said. Both are far too well rounded for an easy win either way. If Hopkins tended to be precise and cagey, focus on countering, and using the full ring, he'd win.