Witter Vs Harris on the 7th September

[Max Molyneux]

According to boxing talk anyway.

Mods seem to delete the links to the place though for some reason yet this a boxing forum that reports news!

[Amsterdam]

I'll take Witter by UD.

[Max Molyneux]

Good choice sir.

Witter Is art In motion screw people who find him boring.:happy

[Strike]

I take Witter by KO.

[BigEars]

Good that a date is finally announced . I'm gonna go with Harris by decision .

[Amsterdam]

I take Witter by KO.

Witter's power is not that great, if Laszcano can't put Harris away, despite landing quite a bit, neither will Witter.

[scurlaruntings]

Witter's power is not that great, if Laszcano can't put Harris away, despite landing quite a bit, neither will Witter.Says the man who thinks Hatton`s current legacy is greater than Hamed! :lol: Dude you wana share that pipe your smoking?!

[Amsterdam]

Says the man who thinks Hatton`s current legacy is greater than Hamed! :lol: Dude you wana share that pipe your smoking?!

Sure, Hamed never defeated any name on the level of Tszyu or Castillo. See Hatton's victory over Luis Collazo? That's the level of fighter or less that Hamed has wins over.

Then losing every round to Barrera, an ATG in it's right and retiring. Ask yourself why he retired?

Hamed fans claim it's because he lost a step, well, it's because he'd have lost to every other P4P level fighter that he'd have faced after that.

So where is his legacy superior to Hatton's? You can list out every titlist and former titlist that Hamed beat, but every single one of them were no better than a Luis Collazo level fighter, and I am talking about Kevin Kelly, Smoke Gainer and the rest. Hamed never faced JMM, Morales and others, he faced Barrera and lost a one sided embarassing decision, JMM would have dished him out a brutally one sided stoppage loss in his current form, much less a prime JMM and Morales would have beat him silly also.

You can discredit that win over Castillo, because Castillo has lost a step, but say JMM, who's now on the downslide also moved up to 135 to fight Juan Diaz, who's generally a light hitter, but Diaz blows out JMM in 4 rounds and then adding Freitas and JMM KO wins to his record... how could you not give credit for that?

You simply don't want to give Hatton credit. Well, Casamayor may be down the line for him, as would be Juan Diaz and any pick from the 140 crop. So you may not agree with me now because you're a Hatton hater, but very soon there will be nobody who can deny that Hamed's resume is inferior, even the haters.

[PowerPuncher]

Sure, Hamed never defeated any name on the level of Tszyu or Castillo. See Hatton's victory over Luis Collazo? That's the level of fighter or less that Hamed has wins over.

Then losing every round to Barrera, an ATG in it's right and retiring. Ask yourself why he retired?

Hamed fans claim it's because he lost a step, well, it's because he'd have lost to every other P4P level fighter that he'd have faced after that.

So where is his legacy superior to Hatton's? You can list out every titlist and former titlist that Hamed beat, but every single one of them were no better than a Luis Collazo level fighter, and I am talking about Kevin Kelly, Smoke Gainer and the rest. Hamed never faced JMM, Morales and others, he faced Barrera and lost a one sided embarassing decision, JMM would have dished him out a brutally one sided stoppage loss in his current form, much less a prime JMM and Morales would have beat him silly also.

You can discredit that win over Castillo, because Castillo has lost a step, but say JMM, who's now on the downslide also moved up to 135 to fight Juan Diaz, who's generally a light hitter, but Diaz blows out JMM in 4 rounds and then adding Freitas and JMM KO wins to his record... how could you not give credit for that?

You simply don't want to give Hatton credit. Well, Casamayor may be down the line for him, as would be Juan Diaz and any pick from the 140 crop. So you may not agree with me now because you're a Hatton hater, but very soon there will be nobody who can deny that Hamed's resume is inferior, even the haters.

Your ignorant
Great and Very Good Fighters Hamed beat:

Vasquez - 3 division champion, WBA featherweight champ - brutalised

Bungu - IBF king at 122 beating Mkkinney twice (before Barrera did), had a better resume at super bantamweight than Barrera - ko'd in 4

Soto - WBC champ, top3 at 126 and beat Castillo whos currently P4P - beat easily

Tom Johnson - IBF champ at feather and top2 in the world, outboxed and ko'd

Ingle - IBF champ and beat the man who beat MAB

Medina - 5 time featherweight champ in his prime, top 5 featherweight - avoided by MAB - ko'd despite Hamed suffering from Flu

McColough - ex bantamweight champ and robbed of the super bantamweight crown, beat without too much trouble, he went on to go close with Morales 6 months later

Robinson - excellent WBO champ who himself beat a 3weight champ and made many defences, easily outboxed and dispatched brutally.

Kevin Kelly - still near his prime, ex-champ and a top3 fighter when Hamed ko'd him

Hamed beat all 4 belt holders, all the top featherweight contenders and a total of 10 world champions and ruled the roost for 6 years. His resume is far better than Kostya Tyszus at 140.

Hamed is a natural bantamweight that was campaigning at super bantamweight and only fought at featherweight because a title fight became available.

Hamed beat 2 fighters in 2 rounds that each went the distance with Erik Morales.

Hamed would have fought Barrera years earlier if MAB wasn't getting beat up by Junior Jones (who went on to lose to a Hamed victim)

[PowerPuncher]

Anyway a true 50-50, either fighter has the power to KO the other, Harris has some brutal 1 punch KOs against top10 level fighters and Witter has fantastic 1 punch power. Both maybe cautious though and box to a UD.

[scurlaruntings]

Sure, Hamed never defeated any name on the level of Tszyu or Castillo. See Hatton's victory over Luis Collazo? That's the level of fighter or less that Hamed has wins over.

Then losing every round to Barrera, an ATG in it's right and retiring. Ask yourself why he retired?

Hamed fans claim it's because he lost a step, well, it's because he'd have lost to every other P4P level fighter that he'd have faced after that.

So where is his legacy superior to Hatton's? You can list out every titlist and former titlist that Hamed beat, but every single one of them were no better than a Luis Collazo level fighter, and I am talking about Kevin Kelly, Smoke Gainer and the rest. Hamed never faced JMM, Morales and others, he faced Barrera and lost a one sided embarassing decision, JMM would have dished him out a brutally one sided stoppage loss in his current form, much less a prime JMM and Morales would have beat him silly also.

You can discredit that win over Castillo, because Castillo has lost a step, but say JMM, who's now on the downslide also moved up to 135 to fight Juan Diaz, who's generally a light hitter, but Diaz blows out JMM in 4 rounds and then adding Freitas and JMM KO wins to his record... how could you not give credit for that?

You simply don't want to give Hatton credit. Well, Casamayor may be down the line for him, as would be Juan Diaz and any pick from the 140 crop. So you may not agree with me now because you're a Hatton hater, but very soon there will be nobody who can deny that Hamed's resume is inferior, even the haters.Seriously mate shut up.Im not going to even go there.Your obvious ignorance is plain as the nose on your face.Anyone who thinks Hattons resume is better than Hamed is either stupid or new to boxing.

[My dinner with Conteh]

McCullogh robbed of the super-bamtam crown? I hope you don't mean the Zaragoza fight? Extremely fair decision (and i've never seen written otherwise, other than by one judge).

[Strike]

Witter's power is not that great, if Laszcano can't put Harris away, despite landing quite a bit, neither will Witter.

Witters power is awesome. He did not sit on his shots before the loss to Judah, but when he was a very young pro people were talking about his power and wondering why he wasn't showing it in the ring.
After Judah he went back and decided to sit down on his shots, look for power as his dancing, Graham impression had not cut it against the best.

He then won 15 KO victories in a row. But more impressively he had N'Dou all over the place and down twice in the first 2 rounds. He bust his hand and the fight ended up going the distance. But look at how he has N'Dou down and almost out a guy who ate what Cotto had and never really looked like being stopped.

Witter savaged Battaglia and had Corley in huge trouble with one glancing shot in the 6th round (if I remember it right). When he connects you are in trouble.

[stake501]

I've said it once, and i'll say it again

Hamed as a person should be judged on Barrera not Hamed the boxer....as we all know that was not an Ingle trained prime Hamed in the ring with Barrera, that person retired a few years before.

a prime Hamed would give anyone around 130 a great fight. His one punch KO power at that level was truely mesmerising.

Having said all that...what a knob he was. Have you seen that documentary before the Barrera fight, that should eb shown to all up and comng boxers as a DO NOT DO THIS instruction manual


*edit* sorry i meant 126 not 130

[scurlaruntings]

I've said it once, and i'll say it again

Hamed as a person should be judged on Barrera not Hamed the boxer....as we all know that was not an Ingle trained prime Hamed in the ring with Barrera, that person retired a few years before.

a prime Hamed would give anyone around 130 a great fight. His one punch KO power at that level was truely mesmerising.

Having said all that...what a knob he was. Have you seen that documentary before the Barrera fight, that should eb shown to all up and comng boxers as a DO NOT DO THIS instruction manualThis may be true but as an ATG at 130 Hameds status is not disputed.He is one of the best ever at that weight.Arguably his also the biggest hitter ever at 130.

[stake501]

This may be true but as an ATG at 130 Hameds status is not disputed.He is one of the best ever at that weight.Arguably his also the biggest hitter ever at 130.


I meant 122-126

but I agree the above applies for 126.

He was a dick, and didnt fulfil his potential though

[dwilson]

Witter has the most explosive punch at 140 by far and could put many 147 to shame. Skill wise he is decent and he's got that dangerous ingle thing going on. If he beats harris which i think he will then he could potentially dominate the light-welter division. Obviously there are fighters out there who could pinch a decision against him such as malianagi but he could go on to biuld a really good top level carrer.

["TKO"]

He better do it quick then, I believe he's 33 as it is!

[dwilson]

He better do it quick then, I believe he's 33 as it is!

The light welter division is light on real talent at the moment due to the populariyty and money in the welter so it will either be a second level boxer playground or get ruled by someone. Witter has the chance to do it, that dosnt mean that he will but he has it in him beat the rest out there.

["TKO"]

Yeah it's a possibility, though the likes of Mbaye and Malignaggi might have something to say about it (I don't like any of their chances against Hatton, but assume he may soon make a step back to welter in search of bigger fish). Witter's meet with Vivian Harris in September will tell us a lot more about where he stands in the scheme of things. Harris is a dangerman, shocking loss to Maussa aside.

[dwilson]

Yeah it's a possibility, though the likes of Mbaye and Malignaggi might have something to say about it (I don't like any of their chances against Hatton, but assume he may soon make a step back to welter in search of bigger fish). Witter's meet with Vivian Harris in September will tell us a lot more about where he stands in the scheme of things. Harris is a dangerman, shocking loss to Maussa aside.

Harris seemed to be very highly rated before that loss but i do rate witter. The winner of that could dominate for a time. Mbaye is not top level and malignagi has a little punch rate, mainly down to his hand troubles admittedly but it still is a weakness.

[scurlaruntings]

I meant 122-126

but I agree the above applies for 126.

He was a dick, and didnt fulfil his potential thoughPersonality asidxe he achieved much and way more than most.But we expected more because he was so talented so i guess its a moot point.

[brown bomber]

Forests KO of Harris was the most atrocious KO i have ever seen.

[Amsterdam]

This may be true but as an ATG at 130 Hameds status is not disputed.He is one of the best ever at that weight.Arguably his also the biggest hitter ever at 130.

And you have the nerve to call me ignorant!:lol: :patsch

[Amsterdam]

Witters power is awesome. He did not sit on his shots before the loss to Judah, but when he was a very young pro people were talking about his power and wondering why he wasn't showing it in the ring.
After Judah he went back and decided to sit down on his shots, look for power as his dancing, Graham impression had not cut it against the best.

He then won 15 KO victories in a row. But more impressively he had N'Dou all over the place and down twice in the first 2 rounds. He bust his hand and the fight ended up going the distance. But look at how he has N'Dou down and almost out a guy who ate what Cotto had and never really looked like being stopped.

Witter savaged Battaglia and had Corley in huge trouble with one glancing shot in the 6th round (if I remember it right). When he connects you are in trouble.

I never claimed he was featherfisted, I just claim that he was not a very "big" hitter. You can't use throwing N'dou around, when Malignaggi dropped N'dou and buzzed him several times, N'dou is obviously effected by speedy delivery, which Naggi and Witter have and what Cotto doesn't as much. Cotto mauls you.

Anyway, he *could* stop Harris, but I don't think he'd have a gameplan where trying to stop him is the motive(which he'd need to go all out on Harris), so I'd take him by UD.

[scurlaruntings]

And you have the nerve to call me ignorant!:lol: :patschNope now your just stupid.So tell me name a bigger puncher at featherweight (note i did say arguably) And wether you like it or not Naz is an ATG at 130.His certainly not up there with the Willie Peps but his not far off that list.

[Jack Dempsey]

Wheres it taking place?, anyone going??

[hitman_hatton1]

i think witter beats harris.

harris looked awful against lazcano last time out.

castillo whipped lazcano. :blood remember him. :yep

concerning the hatton/hamed argument.

i think it's closing up all the time.

naz made 15 title defences and beat some good fighters.

hatton has beaten a clutch of good names and 2 top notchers.

hamed still takes it for now.

[hitman_hatton1]

Nope now your just stupid.So tell me name a bigger puncher at featherweight (note i did say arguably) And wether you like it or not Naz is an ATG at 130.His certainly not up there with the Willie Peps but his not far off that list.

i'd put naz in the very good bracket meself.

he fell short against barrera.

we all knew barrera would be his biggest fight.

a little like we all knew tszyu would be hatton's biggest fight.

he fell short of greatness in the end.

[hitman_hatton1]

So where is his legacy superior to Hatton's? You can list out every titlist and former titlist that Hamed beat, but every single one of them were no better than a Luis Collazo level fighter, and I am talking about Kevin Kelly, Smoke Gainer and the rest. Hamed never faced JMM, Morales and others, he faced Barrera and lost a one sided embarassing decision, JMM would have dished him out a brutally one sided stoppage loss in his current form, much less a prime JMM and Morales would have beat him silly also.

yeah that's a good point u make.

hamed for all his wins, never did beat a real top notch opponent like hatton has done.

i still give the edge to naz cos of the amount of solid top 10 contenders he beat.

but hatton is catching fast i think. :bbb