Excluding GSP - would BJ clean out the welterweight division?

[Popkins]

If you leave GSP out of the equation, would BJ be the UFC's best welterweight right now?

[196osh]

Yes.

[tri-pod]

I see BJ having problems with guys like Fitch.

[Popkins]

I see BJ having problems with guys like Fitch.

Why?

[jimmie]

Why?

Good question. I like Fitch but I dont see the whole grinding thing giving BJ to many problems. GSP was able to wear BJ down and get takedowns but GSP had better striking to set it up and his wrestling is a notch better then Fitch and so is his GNP. Would be somewhat competitive but BJ takes it.

[rekcutnevets]

Posted by Popkins
If you leave GSP out of the equation, would BJ be the UFC's best welterweight right now?
I think that Penn is capable of beating most of the top welterweights in the UFC. I believe that Penn could make an argument for being the top welterweight, but I don't believe he could be as dominate as GSP. I believe Penn would have to avenge losses from time to time at 170.

[Taylor_brogdon]

A focused and trained Penn could beat GSP. Could being the key word. So yes he could make an argument for being the best WW.

[chimba]

I see BJ having problems with guys like Fitch.

:lol::lol:

[sugarngold]

I think so. The only guy I think could conceivably give BJ trouble would be Thiago Alves because of his size. strength and powerful striking - but I still think BJ takes him down if he needs to and either submits him or GnPs his way to a decision. BJ penn is a baaaaad man!

[AJAX]

Beating Diego Sanchez and Ken Flo doesn't translate into beating Fitch,Alves and Kos. People have to realize this, sure he he has gone up in weight before and handled himself well but he has a losing record which people tend to ingnore.

I think BJ is a tough fight for anybody at any weight but why are people acting like he will walk through everybody with ease?

[AJAX]

I think so. The only guy I think could conceivably give BJ trouble would be Thiago Alves because of his size. strength and powerful striking - but I still think BJ takes him down if he needs to and either submits him or GnPs his way to a decision. BJ penn is a baaaaad man!

You guys need to get your tongue off BJ's bag, taking down Joe Daddy doesn't mean you take Alves down? Kos had trouble taking Alves down but BJ will? BJ has a great ground game but when has he shown expolosive TD's?

[sugarngold]

Beating Diego Sanchez and Ken Flo doesn't translate into beating Fitch,Alves and Kos. People have to realize this, sure he he has gone up in weight before and handled himself well but he has a losing record which people tend to ingnore.

I think BJ is a tough fight for anybody at any weight but why are people acting like he will walk through everybody with ease?

Simple. Because Fitch, Alves and Koscheck don't have BJ's ground game. His jiujitsu is on another level from those cats. Of the three listed - only Fitch has the chance to hang with him on the ground.

[AJAX]

Simple. Because Fitch, Alves and Koscheck don't have BJ's ground game. His jiujitsu is on another level from those cats. Of the three listed - only Fitch has the chance to hang with him on the ground.

Oh ok then, Is there anybody at MW that hang with BJ? he prob can clean out that division also right because he has a better JJ game and better hands then alot of guys.

[tri-pod]

:lol::lol:

I just see Fitch becoming a breakout star here pretty soon. Him and Alves give BJ the toughest fight at 170 mark my words. :yep

[El Puma]

No. Simply because BJ would not be able to whip himself into top shape(Fight with GSP) to wipe out a higher and entire division.

He is more often than not, his own worst enemy.

[sugarngold]

Oh ok then, Is there anybody at MW that hang with BJ? he prob can clean out that division also right because he has a better JJ game and better hands then alot of guys.

BJ did go the distance in a tough fight with current UFC lightheavyweight champion Lyoto Machida at heavyweight no less!

[sugarngold]

You guys need to get your tongue off BJ's bag, taking down Joe Daddy doesn't mean you take Alves down? Kos had trouble taking Alves down but BJ will? BJ has a great ground game but when has he shown expolosive TD's?

After a good right hand. I did say that I thought Alves would be the toughest match for Penn at welterweight.

[jimmie]

You guys need to get your tongue off BJ's bag, taking down Joe Daddy doesn't mean you take Alves down? Kos had trouble taking Alves down but BJ will? BJ has a great ground game but when has he shown expolosive TD's?

BJs always had good takedowns he just doesnt need them much. Kenny Florian rarely gets took down these days and when BJ finally got serious in that fight he picked him and up and slammed him like a rag doll.

[achillesthegreat]

Yes and no. Guys like Alves, Fitch and Koscheck are serious fighters who GSP might dominate but BJ might not.

[Popkins]

I definitely think BJ beats Fitch. Alves and Kos would give him real battles due to their size and strength.

[tri-pod]

I definitely think BJ beats Fitch. Alves and Kos would give him real battles due to their size and strength.


Kos gives him problems but Fitch doesn't? :huh

[Popkins]

Kos gives him problems but Fitch doesn't? :huh

I think Kos is a better fighter than Fitch. I know Fitch has a better record, but I think Kos would beat him if they fought.

[AJAX]

BJs always had good takedowns he just doesnt need them much. Kenny Florian rarely gets took down these days and when BJ finally got serious in that fight he picked him and up and slammed him like a rag doll.

Ken Flo is not Alves or Kos now is he?

[Boyd]

I think Kos is a better fighter than Fitch. I know Fitch has a better record, but I think Kos would beat him if they fought.interesting. i feel fitch would own Kos.

[Boyd]

i dont think BJ dominates the division

[ufoalf]

I think he'd be able to, but like others said, he'll bump heads with some top competetition.

[québecwarrior]

I think Alves and Kos beat him.
Maybe guys like Semtex too if BJ dont take him down

[Spunik]

Kos would beat him down....

[Freakzilla]

BJ may not dominate the division like GSP, but he'd definitely be in more exciting fights

[chimba]

Whats the deal with Fitch?? Is this the same Fitch who barely eeked out a win vs. Diego? Who he outweighed by 20 lbs?

Fitch = No Chance

[thewinfella]

Ive thought about this one and i really do not see BJ dominating @70 without GSP in the frame , ability yes , BJ's got all the ability needed to be a force in any weight division P4P that is , but when he puts the size on he looks a completley different fighter , he's heavy on his feet , reflexes are slower , he just doesnt seem to look good at anything above 70 , ive always said if BJ is to go up to 70 he needs to relinquish the size advantage and weigh in on the night no more than 160 - 2 , its kind of the comparison id make to Frank Mir at present , he's walking into the cage @270+ and expecting to be able to hang with heavy's in the strength catagory and has lost his best attribute imo which his is speed and movement compared to these huge guys , thats the problem i see BJ having , it all depends on what Marve Merenovich has in mind for BJ when the inevitable move up comes .

But just picture Penn against somelike Fitch who scrapes the barrell to make 170 and has that freak strength , or Thiago Alves , how could Penn beat Thiago Alves ??? , even Dan Hardy , another huge man for 170 , the sums just dont add up , smaller WW's like Kos , Daley or less explosive WW's like Hazelett , Miller , Condit , Kampmann etc etc id give Penn a decent chance against , but could you imagine how small BJ would look next to Anthony Johnson ........................ thats the point im making its difficuilt to see him having a big impact on the 170 lb division i just dont see it .

[Spunik]

BJ is basically a doughy midget at 170..

[AJAX]

:lol::lol:

1 Thing I learned on ESB is everything Chimba posts is wrong.....everytime:deal

[AJAX]

After a good right hand. I did say that I thought Alves would be the toughest match for Penn at welterweight.

Please remove tongue from BJ's bag now.....:lol:

[AJAX]

BJs always had good takedowns he just doesnt need them much. Kenny Florian rarely gets took down these days and when BJ finally got serious in that fight he picked him and up and slammed him like a rag doll.

You too:lol::lol:

[James23]

LOL! Kind of a funny thread now...considering he just lost to a guy who could easly be a Featherweight.

[Vitor Belfort]

Maybe and it's a big maybe cuz thiago alves has such a big size advantage over bj. I can see him giving bj problems.

[AJAX]

I think the difference was this was the first time BJ fought a guy who was actually as faster then him and could move in and out and win exchanges. And BJ actually had a mark on his face , Even after Hughes crucifix'd him and GSP pounded him he never had a mark.

[thewinfella]

Maybe and it's a big maybe cuz thiago alves has such a big size advantage over bj. I can see him giving bj problems.

There aint no maybe about it Alves would destroy Penn , his stand up is 2 notches above BJ's and he has solid take down defence , Alves would stop Penn inside 2 rounds , that is not a dig at Penn its like saying who wins Margarito or Pavlik , Alves is just too big for Penn and a really bad stylistic match up for Penn , who seems to have problems against busy well rounded stand up fighters ................. Pulver , Edgar , GSP .

[Popkins]

LOL! Kind of a funny thread now...considering he just lost to a guy who could easly be a Featherweight.


:oops:

[fatcity]

If you leave GSP out of the equation, would BJ be the UFC's best welterweight right now?
Not any more.:yep

[tri-pod]

I see BJ having problems with guys like Fitch.


You idiot! He would never have problems with a guy like Fitch! Put a tiny Frankie Edgar in there and he will though! :yep

:nut

Seriously why the fuck doesn't anybody give Fitch a chance in a fight against BJ?

[chimba]

1 Thing I learned on ESB is everything Chimba posts is wrong.....everytime:deal

Just behind you I guess. Check out your avatar and then check out my predictions of him before you even knew him.

Surely you know that Edgar is a different type of fighter than slow "let me hump you, barely beating Diego" Fitch.:lol: